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[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1681737][url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-1024885-22prettybaby22-Beverly-Hills-CA-SugarBaby[/url]
If you are a Russian or armenian I can pass along the email address for this girl. She never seems to have a working phone. Lives in hollywood. YMMV. She mostly just likes DATY and to get pounded hard and forever. Not a clock watcher at all.[/QUOTE]She looks good. Sort of like my regular sb.
Found a really sweet mixed latina. 19 year old and very pretty. She had excellent skills. She was thick which was really new to me, but I liked it. Very tight and an awesome kisser. Picked her up at her moms and just went straight back to my place. Did her twice in 3 hours. Total damage $. I will repeat. No pics till I am done seeing her. She was a true non pro.
This lady has become more of a UTR but I met her on SD4m. She is low on funds. Has a open schedule this weekend and would like to put in some work.
Review in post #112.
Available in SD North County & OC.
PM if you are interested.
SubCmdr out!
Under the "Born At Night But Not Last Night" banner I received this today.
Good Evening Daddy.
Here is my proposed arrangement. (my pic code is xxxxx)
I am seeking $1, 000 for a 2 month arrangement.
1.) You go to CVS and get Half. So $500 and put that on a Netspend Gift Card they sell right next to the AppleBees and itune cards.
2.) You text me the 16 Digit number off the front of the card. You NEED the CVV and the EXP date as well as the code on the receipt to activate the card. So no worries. I just need to verify you are serious and willing to help me.
3.) We agree to meet somewhere publicly or somewhere comfortable for the two of us.
4.) When we meet I receive the card and we have dinner, talk and hopefully a good time.
5) I get home I activate the card and hopefully the next time we meet its cash and we can move forward.
This has worked for me in the past. And has no flaws. It allows for both of us to feel safe, secure, comfortable and if one doesn't like the other we can part mutually. Plus its discreet and fair.
If you are interested in me. PLease contact me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. I can be reached at anytime. I am seeking help this evening before 8 so please contact me before then thanks.
Maybe she has this saved and sends it as it was to early in the day here for a "Good evening" salutation.
Needless to say I'm in the Meet and Greet before any funds are exchanged camp. In fact I like to see how much her bills are and then back into the per visit amount that way. No pre-pays for me.
This sounds close to a Nigerian type scam to me.
Anyone else seen this?
Blak,
It's a scam. As soon as you text the card number, CVV, exp. date and receipt code, she has all she needs to get the cash and vamoose. Don't throw your money away.
Dirty
[QUOTE=Blak Casper; 1698378]Under the "Born At Night But Not Last Night" banner I received this today.
Good Evening Daddy.
Here is my proposed arrangement. (my pic code is xxxxx)
I am seeking $1, 000 for a 2 month arrangement.
1.) You go to CVS and get Half. So $500 and put that on a Netspend Gift Card they sell right next to the AppleBees and itune cards.
2.) You text me the 16 Digit number off the front of the card. You NEED the CVV and the EXP date as well as the code on the receipt to activate the card. So no worries. I just need to verify you are serious and willing to help me.
3.) We agree to meet somewhere publicly or somewhere comfortable for the two of us.
4.) When we meet I receive the card and we have dinner, talk and hopefully a good time.
5) I get home I activate the card and hopefully the next time we meet its cash and we can move forward.
This has worked for me in the past. And has no flaws. It allows for both of us to feel safe, secure, comfortable and if one doesn't like the other we can part mutually. Plus its discreet and fair.
If you are interested in me. PLease contact me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. I can be reached at anytime. I am seeking help this evening before 8 so please contact me before then thanks.
Maybe she has this saved and sends it as it was to early in the day here for a "Good evening" salutation.
Needless to say I'm in the Meet and Greet before any funds are exchanged camp. In fact I like to see how much her bills are and then back into the per visit amount that way. No pre-pays for me.
This sounds close to a Nigerian type scam to me.
Anyone else seen this?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dirty Old Guy; 1698549]Blak,
It's a scam. As soon as you text the card number, CVV, exp. Date and receipt code, she has all she needs to get the cash and vamoose. Don't throw your money away.
Dirty[/QUOTE]Play along, get a card, but don't activate it, or put 5 dollars on it. Get her going and see if she will meet up- when she complains its only 5, ask how she knows.
Then say you will meet for the 500 cash- Waste her time, have her drive all over- enjoy.
[QUOTE=Blak Casper; 1698378]Under the "Born At Night But Not Last Night" banner I received this today.
Good Evening Daddy.
Here is my proposed arrangement. (my pic code is xxxxx)
I am seeking $1, 000 for a 2 month arrangement.
1.) You go to CVS and get Half. So $500 and put that on a Netspend Gift Card they sell right next to the AppleBees and itune cards.
2.) You text me the 16 Digit number off the front of the card. You NEED the CVV and the EXP date as well as the code on the receipt to activate the card. So no worries. I just need to verify you are serious and willing to help me.
3.) We agree to meet somewhere publicly or somewhere comfortable for the two of us.
4.) When we meet I receive the card and we have dinner, talk and hopefully a good time.
5) I get home I activate the card and hopefully the next time we meet its cash and we can move forward.
This has worked for me in the past. And has no flaws. It allows for both of us to feel safe, secure, comfortable and if one doesn't like the other we can part mutually. Plus its discreet and fair.
If you are interested in me. PLease contact me at xxx-xxx-xxxx. I can be reached at anytime. I am seeking help this evening before 8 so please contact me before then thanks.
Maybe she has this saved and sends it as it was to early in the day here for a "Good evening" salutation.
Needless to say I'm in the Meet and Greet before any funds are exchanged camp. In fact I like to see how much her bills are and then back into the per visit amount that way. No pre-pays for me.
This sounds close to a Nigerian type scam to me.
Anyone else seen this?[/QUOTE]Obvious Scammer
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1688564]Found a really sweet mixed latina. 19 year old and very pretty. She had excellent skills. She was thick which was really new to me, but I liked it. Very tight and an awesome kisser. Picked her up at her moms and just went straight back to my place. Did her twice in 3 hours. Total damage $. I will repeat. No pics till I am done seeing her. She was a true non pro.[/QUOTE][url]Http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-1796217-momoamour-Montclair-California-SugarBaby[/url]
Had my second date with M. She is a very sweet girl. Kinda far from me but she drove to me this time. I see she is on the site everyday. She says she has done a few m&g's but I was the first one off the site to score. Very oral. Thick and young. Pretty. Very reasonable. I think a true non pro. Near Pomona. Spent 3 hours with her
Good found, HG. She has good shape and thick at the "right area". Too bad that she is too far from me.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1699253][url]Http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-1796217-momoamour-Montclair-California-SugarBaby[/url]
Had my second date with M. She is a very sweet girl. Kinda far from me but she drove to me this time. I see she is on the site everyday. She says she has done a few m&g's but I was the first one off the site to score. Very oral. Thick and young. Pretty. Very reasonable. I think a true non pro. Near Pomona. Spent 3 hours with her[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1709489]Finally got what I spend hours lookin to find. 19, fresh, hit her up the first day she was on the site, She had me delete her profile the next day. $ a week plus any extras I care to provide. First time out on the internet. Spinner body. 5' 5".100 lbs. Model looks. A little too tight, but I, m workin on it. Probly see her at least twice a week for all day dates.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236447[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]God damn. $ week and you got to hit it twice? 50 per fuck? I don't think any one can do better.
[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1709495]God damn. $ week and you got to hit it twice? 50 per fuck? I don't think any one can do better.[/QUOTE]Actually 3 times last week. Don't want to burn out. But she is very sweet. also dont forget there are expenses, food, makeup, etc..
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1709580]Actually 3 times last week. Don't want to burn out. But she is very sweet. also dont forget there are expenses, food, makeup, etc.[/QUOTE]Dude that sounds like a come up. Good stuff. Where the rest at? LOL.
Happy hunting!
[QUOTE=Compton; 1709613]Dude that sounds like a come up. Good stuff. Where the rest at? LOL.
Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I got about 17 girls on my waiting list. About half are non pro. I. M lucky to get to one new one a week
You, my friend, are a god among men.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1709489]Finally got what I spend hours lookin to find. 19, fresh, hit her up the first day she was on the site, She had me delete her profile the next day. $ a week plus any extras I care to provide. First time out on the internet. Spinner body. 5' 5".100 lbs. Model looks. A little too tight, but I, m workin on it. Probly see her at least twice a week for all day dates.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236447[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
PM request for info on this one.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1710855]GFE FS $
SD4ME.
[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=gallery&mid=3430707[/url]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236673[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236673[/ATTACH]
PM me for her digits. Uncovered friendly service. I am done with her as I am way too busy with my regulars. Lives in Glendale area. 21. 5' 5" about 120 lbs.
DFK was hot, BBBJ was weak, FS till your hearts content, shaved kitty. This is a slam dunk. If you are nice to her she will be nice to you. She is txtin the hell out of me and I do not have a spare minute[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1710855]GFE FS $
SD4ME.
[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/?page=gallery&mid=3430707[/url]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236673[/ATTACH]
[ATTACH=CONFIG]236673[/ATTACH]
PM me for her digits. Uncovered friendly service. I am done with her as I am way too busy with my regulars. Lives in Glendale area. 21. 5' 5" about 120 lbs.
DFK was hot, BBBJ was weak, FS till your hearts content, shaved kitty. This is a slam dunk. If you are nice to her she will be nice to you. She is txtin the hell out of me and I do not have a spare minute[/QUOTE]Seems that one of you guys got lucky. If anyone else does I would appreciate a thank-you
Hey everyone, I've been lurking around and reading the forums trying to get a hang of how these SD sites work. I absolutely LOVE the support system and techniques I've been reading about. Plus the stories always help me get through the day LOL. I've spent the last week and a half reading the entire Richmond, VA sugar forums.
So I set up a profile on SD4M and I just had my first M&G yesterday and it went very well. This is the only one I have on the line that I might be able to close on. But I'm working on others at the moment.
Now my question is for the guys with a SO who can't host. Do you try and sneak your SB into your house while your SO is away? (While I'd save on hotel costs, I can imagine this becoming a problem down the line) Or do you prefer to book a room at a hotel?
[QUOTE=Slowned; 1712935]Hey everyone, I've been lurking around and reading the forums trying to get a hang of how these SD sites work. I absolutely LOVE the support system and techniques I've been reading about. Plus the stories always help me get through the day LOL. I've spent the last week and a half reading the entire Richmond, VA sugar forums.
So I set up a profile on SD4M and I just had my first M&G yesterday and it went very well. This is the only one I have on the line that I might be able to close on. But I'm working on others at the moment.
Now my question is for the guys with a SO who can't host. Do you try and sneak your SB into your house while your SO is away? (While I'd save on hotel costs, I can imagine this becoming a problem down the line) Or do you prefer to book a room at a hotel?[/QUOTE]Get a room
Get a room. I don't know about Richmond, but here in the LA area there are a number of motels that will rent out rooms for two hours or so.
[QUOTE=Slowned; 1712935]Hey everyone, I've been lurking around and reading the forums trying to get a hang of how these SD sites work. I absolutely LOVE the support system and techniques I've been reading about. Plus the stories always help me get through the day LOL. I've spent the last week and a half reading the entire Richmond, VA sugar forums.
So I set up a profile on SD4M and I just had my first M&G yesterday and it went very well. This is the only one I have on the line that I might be able to close on. But I'm working on others at the moment.
Now my question is for the guys with a SO who can't host. Do you try and sneak your SB into your house while your SO is away? (While I'd save on hotel costs, I can imagine this becoming a problem down the line) Or do you prefer to book a room at a hotel?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1712522]Seems that one of you guys got lucky. If anyone else does I would appreciate a thank-you[/QUOTE]I'm more into a long-term situation like your 19yr old spinner, but a hearty thank you nonetheless for the report.
[QUOTE=Slowned; 1712935]Hey everyone, I've been lurking around and reading the forums trying to get a hang of how these SD sites work. I absolutely LOVE the support system and techniques I've been reading about. Plus the stories always help me get through the day LOL. I've spent the last week and a half reading the entire Richmond, VA sugar forums.
So I set up a profile on SD4M and I just had my first M&G yesterday and it went very well. This is the only one I have on the line that I might be able to close on. But I'm working on others at the moment.
Now my question is for the guys with a SO who can't host. Do you try and sneak your SB into your house while your SO is away? (While I'd save on hotel costs, I can imagine this becoming a problem down the line) Or do you prefer to book a room at a hotel?[/QUOTE]I can imagine what SB means by your use in the paragraph but what is the actually term? I know the others but can't seem to figure out the B?
[QUOTE=Spankin86;1713584]I can imagine what SB means by your use in the paragraph but what is the actually term? I know the others but can't seem to figure out the B?[/QUOTE]SB = Sugar Baby
What's the most effective?
I see HG posting here about his SD4M conquests, but I haven't had any luck thus far. I'm not looking for a one-time hookup, but a longer term situation.
Thanks in advance for the "guy"dance.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1713750]SB = Sugar Baby[/QUOTE]Thank you for your reply, greatly appreciate it.
All the ladies I have been in contact on the SD sites have been spoiled way too much. Even the new ladies are asking $500 a date and / or $1500 a month. This is getting out of control now.
[QUOTE=Slowned; 1712935]Hey everyone, I've been lurking around and reading the forums trying to get a hang of how these SD sites work. I absolutely LOVE the support system and techniques I've been reading about. Plus the stories always help me get through the day LOL. I've spent the last week and a half reading the entire Richmond, VA sugar forums.
So I set up a profile on SD4M and I just had my first M&G yesterday and it went very well. This is the only one I have on the line that I might be able to close on. But I'm working on others at the moment.
Now my question is for the guys with a SO who can't host. Do you try and sneak your SB into your house while your SO is away? (While I'd save on hotel costs, I can imagine this becoming a problem down the line) Or do you prefer to book a room at a hotel?[/QUOTE]You should host them at your place. Since at least 75% are true hookers, what could go wrong. They might take a memento or two, or cause drama and not leave, or their daddy may come in and blackmail you, but why worry.
Or your So can come in, and you can use the opportunity to show her who is boss. Man up, don't spend that 25 bucks on a room.
Reference is made to Post #14. Found on SA. $100 a visit.
Great story here gentleman. My very first ATF. Hot Mexican Momi is going to school full time. She told me she is not getting enough financial aid to cover her bills. So she is now looking for a job and is going to go back onto the site and look for a sugar daddy.
I told her that I thought that was a good idea. That I never met her needs in the $ arena. And that when I asked her to be exclusive and she declined I thought she was keeping her options open. Her response was that was not the reason. That she just likes being single and sleeping around. I told her I did too.
And so ends the relationship just over 7 months which is the average SD / SB relationship length. We remain on friendly terms and have a trip together that has been on the books for a few months next week. Probably the last time we will see each other. Unless, she decides to call me and I doubt that will happen.
I think that is a prime example of why you need to have a team of garden tools to play all the positions along with back up when one no longer wants to be part of the team.
Subcmdr out!
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo;1714721]All the ladies I have been in contact on the SD sites have been spoiled way too much. Even the new ladies are asking $500 a date and / or $1500 a month. This is getting out of control now.[/QUOTE]Unless something has really changed in the last year I have had at least a half a dozen women off of SA for $100 a visit. Focus on the deal gentleman and not the girl. Or switch to SD4m.
Go Deep! Go HAM and Prosper!
SubCmdr out!
This Afternoon I got an unexpected txt from a girl I had missed a few times in the past. As she lived 15 minutes away I said I would meet her at a convenient place near her home. She demanded $40 dollars upfront even if nothing happened. I agreed and went to see her. She was a masters student at a local college, decent looking and had a sweet voice. We went to a local BBQ place and then parked on a street nearby. Tested her DFK and it was pretty sexy. She said all her oral skills were highly rated so I drove to a more secluded spot. Actually a very busy street where we could hide in plain site. She offered FS but I didn't want to pop for the room or do it in the car in broad daylite.
We hit the backseat and DFk'ed. Very hot and went to the BBJ. As I had just come off some true PSE / GFE with my ATF wifey the nite before I knew I would never be satisfied with the possibilities in the backseat. So I finished up early and told her maybe next time I would bang the hell out of her in a more appropriate place. Like her apt when the roomie was gone. I gave her the extra $60 dollars as is my custom as she did offer the FS. Not a clock watcher.
She was not a spinner, and I was expecting something better as she said she used to work at a strip club. Too much baby fat for me. But she was moderately attractive, smart and easy to talk to. She was very willing to follow instructions as to technique. So maybe I will have her come to my house one nite, maybe. If you are nice to her she will be nice to you. Excellent kisser for a white girl. She was short which i like, if only she was a few pounds less i would not hesitate to repeat. and still may. But more than happy to share the wealth. Will not give out her info but SD4ME members can go here.
[url]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/profile-1258593-sunshine589-Sherman-Oaks-California-SugarBaby[/url]
[QUOTE=AsianGuyInla; 1714203]What's the most effective?
I see HG posting here about his SD4M conquests, but I haven't had any luck thus far. I'm not looking for a one-time hookup, but a longer term situation.
Thanks in advance for the "guy"dance.[/QUOTE]Just put that in your profile and you will attract more of those type of girls. I get turned down a lot just because many girls think I am looking for a quick hook up. The truth is I have 4 girls on allowance. But how can you get to that level if you don't hookup first?
[QUOTE=Pinche Gringo;1714721]All the ladies I have been in contact on the SD sites have been spoiled way too much. Even the new ladies are asking $500 a date and / or $1500 a month. This is getting out of control now.[/QUOTE]This is like lying on a resume. They all will claim to have had some SD who was paying rent and all other expenses.
The story I get is that the guy who was paying big always moved away!
[QUOTE=Blak Casper; 1715217]This is like lying on a resume. They all will claim to have had some SD who was paying rent and all other expenses.
The story I get is that the guy who was paying big always moved away![/QUOTE]That is right. It's like they learn this line in SB school. A woman that asks about the money up front is a prostitute. And if they ask I tell them straight up: "If you need to know the amount of money you are getting from me straight up before even meeting me then that makes you a prostitute and I don't date professionals." That will put them in check right away.
Do not ask how much they want. If anything make a upfront offer and leave it at that. Garden Tools that want to called "Sugar Babies" get paid by the meeting. Not the hour. And they get what you are willing to give. If they are not interested in your offer amount just move on. Lots of "Golden Pussy Syndrome" on SA. Just say no to expensive crack (LOL)!
Go deep, Go HAM and prosper!
Subcmdr out!
[QUOTE=Blak Casper; 1715217]This is like lying on a resume. They all will claim to have had some SD who was paying rent and all other expenses.
The story I get is that the guy who was paying big always moved away![/QUOTE]Go for the younger ones. All they ever got was bullshit, bad sex and them spending their money on their broke and equally young x boyfriend. Any girl that says she had a SD that was awesome I don't even talk to those types. And a lot of times that awesomeness only lasted a 1 to 3 months
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;1715447]Go for the younger ones. All they ever got was bullshit, bad sex and them spending their money on their broke and equally young x boyfriend. Any girl that says she had a SD that was awesome I don't even talk to those types. And a lot of times that awesomeness only lasted a 1 to 3 months[/QUOTE]I have always wondered, if there previous SD's were so great and giving them their rent, a car and the moon, then why they hell aren't they doing it anymore. Makes me think that there must be something wrong with the SB that would necessitate the return to the hunt. Just my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Blak Casper; 1715217]This is like lying on a resume. They all will claim to have had some SD who was paying rent and all other expenses.
The story I get is that the guy who was paying big always moved away![/QUOTE]Here is part two of one the best series of articles I have seen written on allowance:
"Allowance in Real Dollar Terms
Allowance is one of the most popular topics in the sugar world and there is no shortage of opinion about it. Instead of passing judgment on what's fair and reasonable for what's offered or expected, I'd like to examine what it means to have an allowance in real dollar terms. This will take into account real world factors such as taxes and discretionary income and compare that to established benchmarks.
For example, according to the US Census Bureau, annual median household income in the US is $49k, top 5% starts at $157k, and top 1. 5% starts at $250k. Keep these numbers in mind as we look at allowance expectations in real dollars terms by taking into account taxes and SD's discretionary income.
On seekingarrangement. Com a SB can indicate the amount of expected allowance in her profile. Let's look at what it means to have $1k, $3k, $5k, and $10k per month. And for illustration purpose let's assume a tax rate of 35% since SD's should be high income individuals.
$1k / month. $12k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $17k before tax.
$3k / month. $36k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $51k before tax. Note this is already higher than the median household income.
$5k / month. $60k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $86k before tax. Note this is more than one and a half times of the median, or more than half the amount of what the top 5% makes.
$10k / month. $120k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $171k before tax. Note this will put you in the top 5% of all US households.
Now that we have put those numbers in perspective, let's realistically think about what are the chances of finding SD's who can provide that kind of allowance as part of their discretionary income. For illustration purpose, let's assume a SD has 20% of his gross income available to spend on a SB. This means the SD should have an income of five times the amount he provides to the SB. Keep in mind this is his total spending on a SB, for which the allowance may only be a part of. This percentage may vary based on each SD's situation such as whether he's single or married.
$1k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $85k per year, this is already way above the median income.
$3k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $255k per year, this is already in the top 1. 5.
$5k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $430k per year.
$10k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $855k per year.
The analysis shown was for illustration purpose only. One can use different assumptions about tax rates and discretionary income to come up with different figures. But realistically, how many wealthy men can we expect from the top 1% to sign up on one of these web sites and are serious about being a SD and part with their money? Think about what kind of work or business the SD should be in to make that kind of money, where they're located, their age and marital status, and what kind of SB they'd be looking for. Will the top 1% of SD's look for an "average" SB, or would they look for the top 1% in SB's as well? What kind of a "real" job would a SB have to get in order to make the equivalent of the allowance she is seeking?
I'm not passing judgment on what people are looking for or what they expect, and I know there are success stories across the spectrum. I'm just applying a straight forward analysis to help those in the sugar world to have a realistic view.". SD Guru.
I don't do allowances. I prefer a event driven arrangement. It has worked out well for me. Hope the article provides some insights.
SubCmdr out!
I agree that the going rate is about $100 per event, although I have one down to $75 per. I've been impressed with the results on SD4ME. The women are young and it's like fucking a GF. I just had a great time on Sat with my new SB. We hung out for a couple of hours and she was ok with just getting her ass fucked. I mean the whole session, just Greek. It was awesome. She sent me a message asking when we were going to do that again? I'm tempted to move her in. Wonder what SO would say? LOL.
I agree with previous poster, if the rate is higher than $100, move on. You can find nice, young, and attractive women for $100 or less. Just keep sending out emails.
[QUOTE=LimaBeansStink; 1716225]I agree that the going rate is about $100 per event, although I have one down to $75 per. I've been impressed with the results on SD4ME. The women are young and it's like fucking a GF. I just had a great time on Sat with my new SB. We hung out for a couple of hours and she was ok with just getting her ass fucked. I mean the whole session, just Greek. It was awesome. She sent me a message asking when we were going to do that again? I'm tempted to move her in. Wonder what SO would say? LOL.
I agree with previous poster, if the rate is higher than $100, move on. You can find nice, young, and attractive women for $100 or less. Just keep sending out emails.[/QUOTE]I think there was a lot of media hype and also some real spending during the go go years (5 to 10 years ago). Also just a lot of girls that are just dreaming, and you see them sign up to the site and then disappear within a week. I won't tell you what I was spending back then because its about as much as I earn now. But I usually did stay within the 20% or so range. And I think that is a fiscally safe place to be.
The whole REAL SB game is to find a girl that needs help (through no character defect or drug addiction or laziness) and appreciates the help, is truly attracted to you, is trying to better themselves on their own either through work or school, has a natural attraction to older men and is looking for an exclusive relationship (even knowing you are not in one). They want to be mentored, realize their true sexual potential and feel protected.
They are not ho's. A ho takes money from any guy no exclusions and has as many guys as possible. And we are not even discussing the gold diggers and players.
In short, there are some grey areas. And different people have different comfort zones, available time, emotional needs, etc.
This is a developing area and not as well defined as BP, HX, RB, etc. All that being said. It's awesome in my book.
[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1716153]Here is part two of one the best series of articles I have seen written on allowance:
"Allowance in Real Dollar Terms
Allowance is one of the most popular topics in the sugar world and there is no shortage of opinion about it. Instead of passing judgment on what's fair and reasonable for what's offered or expected, I'd like to examine what it means to have an allowance in real dollar terms. This will take into account real world factors such as taxes and discretionary income and compare that to established benchmarks.
For example, according to the US Census Bureau, annual median household income in the US is $49k, top 5% starts at $157k, and top 1. 5% starts at $250k. Keep these numbers in mind as we look at allowance expectations in real dollars terms by taking into account taxes and SD's discretionary income.
On seekingarrangement. Com a SB can indicate the amount of expected allowance in her profile. Let's look at what it means to have $1k, $3k, $5k, and $10k per month. And for illustration purpose let's assume a tax rate of 35% since SD's should be high income individuals.
$1k / month. $12k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $17k before tax.
$3k / month. $36k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $51k before tax. Note this is already higher than the median household income.
$5k / month. $60k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $86k before tax. Note this is more than one and a half times of the median, or more than half the amount of what the top 5% makes.
$10k / month. $120k per year after tax or the equivalent of about $171k before tax. Note this will put you in the top 5% of all US households.
Now that we have put those numbers in perspective, let's realistically think about what are the chances of finding SD's who can provide that kind of allowance as part of their discretionary income. For illustration purpose, let's assume a SD has 20% of his gross income available to spend on a SB. This means the SD should have an income of five times the amount he provides to the SB. Keep in mind this is his total spending on a SB, for which the allowance may only be a part of. This percentage may vary based on each SD's situation such as whether he's single or married.
$1k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $85k per year, this is already way above the median income.
$3k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $255k per year, this is already in the top 1. 5.
$5k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $430k per year.
$10k / month. The SD would need to have a gross income of $855k per year.
The analysis shown was for illustration purpose only. One can use different assumptions about tax rates and discretionary income to come up with different figures. But realistically, how many wealthy men can we expect from the top 1% to sign up on one of these web sites and are serious about being a SD and part with their money? Think about what kind of work or business the SD should be in to make that kind of money, where they're located, their age and marital status, and what kind of SB they'd be looking for. Will the top 1% of SD's look for an "average" SB, or would they look for the top 1% in SB's as well? What kind of a "real" job would a SB have to get in order to make the equivalent of the allowance she is seeking?
I'm not passing judgment on what people are looking for or what they expect, and I know there are success stories across the spectrum. I'm just applying a straight forward analysis to help those in the sugar world to have a realistic view.". SD Guru.
I don't do allowances. I prefer a event driven arrangement. It has worked out well for me. Hope the article provides some insights.
SubCmdr out![/QUOTE]I think you guys who are into it should show this to the girls, to get their thoughts. It would be fun- would get a lot of 5 k girls to 1k per month.
[QUOTE=FunTrust;1716475]I think you guys who are into it should show this to the girls, to get their thoughts. It would be fun- would get a lot of 5 k girls to 1k per month.[/QUOTE]My current average is $500 a month per girl. 4 different regular girls + a few interviews. I have sex on at least 20 to 25 days of the month. So about $100 a visit overall. Many are multiple hours or overnites (and 1 lives here). I am trying to stick to 2k a month total for now or about 10% of my pretax income. Over budget this month. If it wasnt for my kid and x wife I would double that amount for sure.
Last 3 years averaged about 5k a month. Prior to that I was crazy.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy; 1716750]My current average is $500 a month per girl. 4 different regular girls + a few interviews. I have sex on at least 20 to 25 days of the month. So about $100 a visit overall. Many are multiple hours or overnites (and 1 lives here). I am trying to stick to 2k a month total for now or about 10% of my pretax income. Over budget this month. If it wasnt for my kid and x wife I would double that amount for sure.
Last 3 years averaged about 5k a month. Prior to that I was crazy.[/QUOTE]You make $20k a month? What the fuck do you do? I want to do whatever it is you do if it brings in half of what you make.