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You laugh at the nfl owner and that's ok. But more importantly read critically. Between detailed review sites and a few traffic stops what they did there installing cameras per a search warrant they could do at our local places. If you remember the fbi had inside surveillance inside mob hang outs. They entered after hours to install them with court permission. Uncle LEO takes this trafficking thing very very seriously. Is this a isolated case or template.
Just another victim, along with escorts and mongers, of the sadistic LE tactics. They just love to drag people down and humiliate and degrade them. A guy sees an escort for consensual sex; gets trapped by LE and can lose his wife, family and job in one fell swoop. Way out of proportion to the offense; a blatant misuse of judicial power.
Well, they have humiliated Mr Kraft, a guy who gave $400 million to charity through his foundation. Doubtless the press will forget his generous benevolence and focus on this trivial misdemeanor.
[QUOTE=AzineMan;4163696]Just another victim, along with escorts and mongers, of the sadistic LE tactics. They just love to drag people down and humiliate and degrade them. A guy sees an escort for consensual sex; gets trapped by LE and can lose his wife, family and job in one fell swoop. Way out of proportion to the offense; a blatant misuse of judicial power.
Well, they have humiliated Mr Kraft, a guy who gave $400 million to charity through his foundation. Doubtless the press will forget his generous benevolence and focus on this trivial misdemeanor.[/QUOTE]It's the human trafficking that is causing this kinda of operation and that is not consenting adults!
[blue]Bullshit, they change the laws to redefine all commercial sex work as trafficking. What used to be prostitution or running a house of prostitution is now trafficking.
Stop drinking the koolaid. Real trafficking is super rare in the states. That's why people ONLY get charged with it and never convicted. They are trying to say these guys are traffickers because the money they paid went to help the people who trafficked these poor woman who while living there could also come and go as they please.
This is just more moralistic US bullshit.
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[QUOTE=AzineMan;4163696]Just another victim, along with escorts and mongers, of the sadistic LE tactics. They just love to drag people down and humiliate and degrade them. A guy sees an escort for consensual sex; gets trapped by LE and can lose his wife, family and job in one fell swoop. Way out of proportion to the offense; a blatant misuse of judicial power.
Well, they have humiliated Mr Kraft, a guy who gave $400 million to charity through his foundation. Doubtless the press will forget his generous benevolence and focus on this trivial misdemeanor.[/QUOTE]Just wanted to share my own two cents worth on this topic and my point of view is one of sadness and helplessness regarding the power that the government wields and if this can happen to him then wow. Personally I've tried to not be amused at someone else's misfortune and I'm thankful for not having to face that music even though we all are aware of the dangers of this particular hobby. My view is as long as the decision to enter this hobby was voluntary and all parties involved are of consenting age then let it be. I was also saddened to hear about the tragedy of the lives lost on wade hampton blvd this past week so let's all try to be safe out here.
[QUOTE=AzineMan;4163696]Just another victim, along with escorts and mongers, of the sadistic LE tactics. They just love to drag people down and humiliate and degrade them. A guy sees an escort for consensual sex; gets trapped by LE and can lose his wife, family and job in one fell swoop. Way out of proportion to the offense; a blatant misuse of judicial power.
Well, they have humiliated Mr Kraft, a guy who gave $400 million to charity through his foundation. Doubtless the press will forget his generous benevolence and focus on this trivial misdemeanor.[/QUOTE]Well said!
[QUOTE=RunDmc1972;4163540]You laugh at the nfl owner and that's ok. But more importantly read critically. Between detailed review sites and a few traffic stops what they did there installing cameras per a search warrant they could do at our local places. If you remember the fbi had inside surveillance inside mob hang outs. They entered after hours to install them with court permission. Uncle LEO takes this trafficking thing very very seriously. Is this a isolated case or template.[/QUOTE]This can happen to any of us. All they do is setup a camera or two and a license plate reader, wait around for several months, then charge everyone they can identify. AMPs were the safest venue out there. Now, we could be a sitting ducks at those places. I think the AMP era may be over.
Just being on the property I do not think would be enough to charge. While I do not know I strongly suspect the police got a search warrant and hide cameras in the rooms after close. They bugged the club john Gotti hung out that is how they got him. The bottom line is the investigation in Florida was very through and shows what uncle LEO is capable of. Human trafficking is the hot button issue. I am sure there is tons of dollars in federal grant money available to help the local cop shop.
I saw the news on Mr. Craft tonight, to me that Sheriff is full of it. What people will do just to get their 10 seconds of fame. I mean damn Craft is 77 years old, he's not married (wife died several years ago). He's just an old man looking for a massage! Next thing you know they'll be charging him with assault with a dead weapon.
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So, he could get an amazing lawyer and sue the city. And if he won, . Thank that Sheriff for the money!! Kinda like "Hey fuck-idiot, why go after a billionaire when you should go after the real traffickers? They went after a guy in a massage parlor getting a handjob! Seriously? ? Who gives a FUCK? All of the millionaires are getting head 24/7. Kills me. Pure stupidity. I hope he sues. \.
Mrz.
[QUOTE=Mrzclip;4165232]So, he could get an amazing lawyer and sue the city. And if he won, . Thank that Sheriff for the money!! Kinda like "Hey fuck-idiot, why go after a billionaire when you should go after the real traffickers? They went after a guy in a massage parlor getting a handjob! Seriously? ? Who gives a FUCK? All of the millionaires are getting head 24/7. Kills me. Pure stupidity. I hope he sues. \.
Mrz.[/QUOTE]The real crime here is the hurt the family members have to endure over a simple misdemeanor. These places are open because they are needed. Like a gas station and grocery store.
[QUOTE=Edssw45;4165506]The real crime here is the hurt the family members have to endure over a simple misdemeanor. These places are open because they are needed. Like a gas station and grocery store.[/QUOTE]You are missing the point: the only reason it's even on the news is because he is who he is. If Joe Blow gets busted trying to get a hand job at the local AMP, nobody gives a shit. If a hundred Joe Blows get busted trying to get a hand job at an AMP, nobody gives a shit. BUT one rich and relatively well known billionaire gets busted trying to get a hand job at an AMP, and its national news. That's the only reason the media even took notice of it.
Guys get busted for solicitation every day and noone takes any notice. Even the sting operation in Atlanta prior to the superbowl barely made the news and was off the radar the day after it happened because there was really nothing truly sensational about it.
There was a HUGE sting operation down in orlando (last week?) That everyone I'd talking about in multiple cities on this board, and THAT barely made the news, despite the TRULY scary implications of what the details of that operation imply: bugs? Surveillance? License plate recognition? More arrests (lots of them) yet to come?? AFTER THE FACT? Not just caught in the act, it a dude makes a visit to an AMP, makes it out ok, goes home to the wife and kiddies, and days / weeks / months later Uncle LEO shows up at the door? BAM!
NOW, the media has a reason to make a big deal out of it: NOW its national news!!
Its going to be the #metoo movement all over again. It's the latest cause-of-the-day. Uncle LEO doesn't care about busting "providers" and / or "hobbyists", but HOLY SHIT, they sure as hell want to be able to say they broke up a "human trafficking ring" and that's exactly what they WILL say.
Because now it's in the news it got someone's ATTENTION.
NOW it's an issue.
Now we wait and see what other tactics they are willing to use to put an end to the human trafficking epidemic in the upstate and everywhere else.
It's not about what's true, it's about how they spin it.
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See what I mean?
It's the next big thing.
Like anybody has actually heard of this fucking guy!
BUT because he has some degree of notariety, even if only for having a semi-famous girlfriend, its news.
I don't know about you guys, but at least for ME, it's time to take a break from the hobby. Too much to lose.
Slobberknocker out!
[QUOTE=Lov2play;4164757]I saw the news on Mr. Craft tonight, to me that Sheriff is full of it. What people will do just to get their 10 seconds of fame. I mean damn Craft is 77 years old, he's not married (wife died several years ago). He's just an old man looking for a massage! Next thing you know they'll be charging him with assault with a dead weapon.
L2 p.[/QUOTE]Now that's funny.
It seems FL has overshadowed what we should be debating in the upstate.
The tragedy of what happened to Leanne and her gent is much more disturbing than a few Asian jack stores in Florida. It is a discussion that should be in the forefront for anyone reading and participating in the upstate forum.
I have had a few conversations behind the scenes here and there are still some items that would be useful for risk avoidance for the hobbyists in the area. Things like:
* What provider incalls should be avoided?
* What providers are risky to see?
* Which providers are deep in demons?
* Which have obvious undesirable management?
* Which are just skanks that will rob you?
* How do you handle an aggressive 3 party realistically?
And the opposite:
* What are the good incalls?
* What providers are hands down safe?
* What are the benefits or you hosting an outcall.
That shit was real last week. Some poor fucker got gutted with one of our girls we see who was actually a nice kid.
I am looking for comments here boys, not bravado. It is an open subject that shout be vetted. I for one am scratching any incall where dealers and thugs hand out. Not only does it increase your risk, it is a waste of time, even if the provider was Jennifer Anniston beautiful and she really wanted you to plow that ass and facialize her with baby batter.
Just my thoughts.
Peace.
Pappa54.