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[url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/07/BUVO13VQUM.DTL[/url]
Craigslist to charge for erotic services ads
Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, November 7, 2008
Instead, the San Francisco-based Craigslist soon will begin requiring advertisers for massages, strippers, escort services and the like to pay a fee with a credit card - fees the famously profit-averse company plans to donate to charity.
The move is part of a deal between Craigslist and more than 40 state attorneys general to crack down on prostitution ads.
"It raises the accountability for people posting to the category," said Craigslist Chief Executive Officer Jim Buckmaster. "Our well-intentioned users don't want to see illegal activity on the site, either."
Craigslist already requires that people listing erotic services provide phone numbers, and has begun taking legal action against software companies that help people get around that and other restrictions, Buckmaster said.
Craigslist is not legally required to take such steps - existing law provides immunity to services such as Craigslist for actions taken by their users, said Kurt Opfahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. However, law enforcement officials can subpoena such companies for user information such as phone and credit card numbers.
In the past, such subpoenas would deliver little information, because the erotic services ads - like most ads on Craigslist - could be posted anonymously.
Under the arrangement with the attorneys general, Craigslist volunteered to begin collecting phone and credit card numbers from erotic services advertisers after Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal complained about prostitution ads on the site.
Craigslist took a look and decided Blumenthal had a point, Buckmaster said.
"Requiring phone numbers, credit cards and identifying details will provide a roadmap to prostitutes and sex traffickers - so we can track them down and lock them up," Blumenthal said in a statement issued Thursday.
Requiring phone numbers has already reduced the volume of erotic services ads by 80 percent, Buckmaster said. Charging an as-yet-undetermined fee is expected to reduce the volume still further.
The deal brought accolades from groups such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which joined the agreement.
"I think it's win-win," said Ernie Allen, president and chief executive officer of the center. "It's an example of Craigslist being concerned and taking a real leadership role in ensuring that these kinds of abuses and illegal activities don't happen."
Sylvia Borelli, founder of Lovings.com, a long-established San Francisco escort Web site, was also complimentary. Borelli said her site has long taken similar measures and more, such as verifying that advertisers are over 18.
"I never liked any of the wide-open personals, because of that possibility of exploitation," she said. The credit card verification system "can also be circumvented. ... But I think that people will start thinking twice, because there is more of a paper trail."
The policy attracted a handful of angry reactions on the Craigslist blog. Commenters accused Craigslist of "caving in to the police establishment" and turning its back on a history of protecting free anonymous expression.
Criticism also came from Maxine Doogan, founder of the Erotic Service Providers Union.
Doogan said Craigslist had provided a place where sex workers could anonymously and safely connect with clients - and vice versa - for free.
"They always end up further pushing into poverty the class of workers who don't have access to those tools of capitalism," she said. "Back to the streets - that's what's going to happen."
On the other end of the criticism spectrum was Trench Reynolds, a pseudonymous crime blogger who tracks Craigslist-linked crime at craigscrimelist.org.
"I still say the best way to crack down on that is to do away with the erotic services section altogether," he said. "I think (the deal) will cut down on a lot of the erotic services ads, but I don't think it will cut down enough to put me out of business."
Meanwhile, groups such as the EFF are watching the agreement to see how it works out, said Opfahl.
"Is it going to be a narrowly focused activity that does not spread out to other areas?" he said. "Or will the attorneys general see this as the beginning of a process to get yet more records and ability to obtain the records of online speaking?"
Buckmaster said the company is trying to strike a balance, keeping the erotic services section - in part to keep such ads from appearing elsewhere on Craigslist - but trying to do so responsibly, protecting free speech and preventing exploitation. Hopefully, he said, Craigslist can be a pioneer in this kind of cooperation as it has been on the Internet.
"In our humble opinion this is the way to go, and we would invite other online services to follow suit," he said. "We all would be better off if we all voluntarily do what is necessary to curtail illegal activity on the Internet."
E-mail *************** at [email]**************[/email].
This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]This report was deleted because the subject was not related to the purpose of this Forum, which is as follows:
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women in the USA for sex.[/blue][/size]
I don't trust Craigs list! The reason I joined here is to get the skinny on Chicago area places to find sex. If the members can put aside their paranoia about john law listening in. Nobody can prove they are not a cop or spy so get over it. Getting busted is the chance we take but not as bad as getting mugged or robbed or STD's.
[QUOTE=Local Hick][url]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/07/BUVO13VQUM.DTL[/url]
Craigslist to charge for erotic services ads
Matthew B. Stannard, Chronicle Staff Writer
Friday, November 7, 2008
Instead, the San Francisco-based Craigslist soon will begin requiring advertisers for massages, strippers, escort services and the like to pay a fee with a credit card - fees the famously profit-averse company plans to donate to charity.
The move is part of a deal between Craigslist and more than 40 state attorneys general to crack down on prostitution ads.
"It raises the accountability for people posting to the category," said Craigslist Chief Executive Officer Jim Buckmaster. "Our well-intentioned users don't want to see illegal activity on the site, either."
Craigslist already requires that people listing erotic services provide phone numbers, and has begun taking legal action against software companies that help people get around that and other restrictions, Buckmaster said.
Craigslist is not legally required to take such steps - existing law provides immunity to services such as Craigslist for actions taken by their users, said Kurt Opfahl, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. However, law enforcement officials can subpoena such companies for user information such as phone and credit card numbers.
In the past, such subpoenas would deliver little information, because the erotic services ads - like most ads on Craigslist - could be posted anonymously.
Under the arrangement with the attorneys general, Craigslist volunteered to begin collecting phone and credit card numbers from erotic services advertisers after Connecticut Attorney General Richard Blumenthal complained about prostitution ads on the site.
Craigslist took a look and decided Blumenthal had a point, Buckmaster said.
"Requiring phone numbers, credit cards and identifying details will provide a roadmap to prostitutes and sex traffickers - so we can track them down and lock them up," Blumenthal said in a statement issued Thursday.
Requiring phone numbers has already reduced the volume of erotic services ads by 80 percent, Buckmaster said. Charging an as-yet-undetermined fee is expected to reduce the volume still further.
The deal brought accolades from groups such as the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, which joined the agreement.
"I think it's win-win," said Ernie Allen, president and chief executive officer of the center. "It's an example of Craigslist being concerned and taking a real leadership role in ensuring that these kinds of abuses and illegal activities don't happen."
Sylvia Borelli, founder of Lovings.com, a long-established San Francisco escort Web site, was also complimentary. Borelli said her site has long taken similar measures and more, such as verifying that advertisers are over 18.
"I never liked any of the wide-open personals, because of that possibility of exploitation," she said. The credit card verification system "can also be circumvented. ... But I think that people will start thinking twice, because there is more of a paper trail."
The policy attracted a handful of angry reactions on the Craigslist blog. Commenters accused Craigslist of "caving in to the police establishment" and turning its back on a history of protecting free anonymous expression.
Criticism also came from Maxine Doogan, founder of the Erotic Service Providers Union.
Doogan said Craigslist had provided a place where sex workers could anonymously and safely connect with clients - and vice versa - for free.
"They always end up further pushing into poverty the class of workers who don't have access to those tools of capitalism," she said. "Back to the streets - that's what's going to happen."
On the other end of the criticism spectrum was Trench Reynolds, a pseudonymous crime blogger who tracks Craigslist-linked crime at craigscrimelist.org.
"I still say the best way to crack down on that is to do away with the erotic services section altogether," he said. "I think (the deal) will cut down on a lot of the erotic services ads, but I don't think it will cut down enough to put me out of business."
Meanwhile, groups such as the EFF are watching the agreement to see how it works out, said Opfahl.
"Is it going to be a narrowly focused activity that does not spread out to other areas?" he said. "Or will the attorneys general see this as the beginning of a process to get yet more records and ability to obtain the records of online speaking?"
Buckmaster said the company is trying to strike a balance, keeping the erotic services section - in part to keep such ads from appearing elsewhere on Craigslist - but trying to do so responsibly, protecting free speech and preventing exploitation. Hopefully, he said, Craigslist can be a pioneer in this kind of cooperation as it has been on the Internet.
"In our humble opinion this is the way to go, and we would invite other online services to follow suit," he said. "We all would be better off if we all voluntarily do what is necessary to curtail illegal activity on the Internet."
E-mail *************** at [email]**************[/email].
This article appeared on page C - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle[/QUOTE]
Craigslist 40.00 hos in Bartlett rt. 59 and North Ave.
Anyone seen these girls?
Is it a jackshack ripoff or what?
I am thinking about toftt.
[QUOTE=Chigod7]Craigslist 40.00 hos in Bartlett rt. 59 and North Ave.
Anyone seen these girls?
Is it a jackshack ripoff or what?
I am thinking about toftt.[/QUOTE]Already been taken. This is a high-priced ripoff joint. I wasn't stupid enough to pay the $$$$ to "get comfortable", so I guess I can't actually verify. But my better judgement tells me the truth.
I also took this girls price too high.
I took one too. I was expecting it to be a ripoff, so I didn't spend a whole lot of money. But, I wanted to confirm my suspicions. They were confirmed.....this is one of the total ripoff joints. It was discussed in one of the other forums late last year. They advertise like crazy on craigslist and it always looks like a "too good to be true" ad.
Hi everyone,
I've been mongering for awhile and am making very limited progress.
I've found World Spa in Algonquin (they warmed up to me on the 3rd try) and Maple Spa (no luck on the first try)
I'm searching for a reliable AMP-type scenario with FS....and of course, for reasonable cost, in the Chicagoland area pretty much anywhere south of I-290 and I-88......any help? Please PM me. I'm a newer member, but have been lurking for sometime as a non-member. HJ is ok at World Spa, but sometimes I just want a little more, you know?
[QUOTE=Perdip]Hi everyone,
I've been mongering for awhile and am making very limited progress.
I've found World Spa in Algonquin (they warmed up to me on the 3rd try) and Maple Spa (no luck on the first try)
I'm searching for a reliable AMP-type scenario with FS....and of course, for reasonable cost, in the Chicagoland area pretty much anywhere south of I-290 and I-88......any help? Please PM me. I'm a newer member, but have been lurking for sometime as a non-member. HJ is ok at World Spa, but sometimes I just want a little more, you know?[/QUOTE]"those who seek shall find"
[QUOTE=Fred C]"those who seek shall find"[/QUOTE]Oh, I have sought and sought...and I've had luck at only one location, but not FS. I've been reading the forums for a while, too, but have noticed that most folks share this info via PM.
[QUOTE=Tommy Knocker6]Cook County Sheriff is at it again:
[url]http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2009/03/sheriffs-lawsuit-says-craiglist-largest-source-of-prostitution.html[/url][/QUOTE]
The crusade continues, yet more and more providers keep popping up. If the economy keeps plunging, I suspect this trend will continue.
Not to beat a dead horse, but why not legalize it? I don't see where would it be any different than taxing the other sins (booze, cigarettes, gambling).
He's a fucking asshole. We have drive by shootings, high school kids being killed almost daily, drug sales all across the city, gang bangers everywhere you look, and this is the most serious thing he can find to go after.
It's easier to eat donuts and surf CL than do actual work that involves physical activity.
[QUOTE=George W. Bush]He's a fucking asshole. We have drive by shootings, high school kids being killed almost daily, drug sales all across the city, gang bangers everywhere you look, and this is the most serious thing he can find to go after.
It's easier to eat donuts and surf CL than do actual work that involves physical activity.[/QUOTE]The drug dealers and gangs who do the drive by shootings are far more dangerous since chances are they will have guns and shoot back.
I thought that I heard on the news today that the IOC people were in toen this weekend. He needs to make it look like this ies the only problem in Chicago. Just think of what will happen if we get the olympics. I think I'll take a month vacation. No massage parlors and to much traffic. Maybe we should put together a trip to asia. Rent a bus and hit all the mp's as possible.