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First, a quick intro: long time lurker and first time commenter. I've been in and out of mongering for a while and plan to contribute to the boards more now that I'm back at it.
That said, I see posts mentioning people on "SA" and having success. The question is what is "SA"? You PM me if that's easier.
Question for the moderator:
No matter what I write or how I write it, none of my posts get published. What am I doing wrong??
[blue]Not reading the FAQ. As a new member your posts need to be moderated before they go live and if you keep posting stuff that meant to stir up shit you will always need moderation.
After three months you need to ask what SA is? Like that wasn't intended to make every senior jump your ass for not reading the forum.
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[QUOTE=JohnSnowChi;3929302]Sure we have all asked the girls and it's obvious that if they were on SA yet stay at the agencies it's a better option. You know that a few girls in agencies have told me they hate some of the clients? They won't meet us on SA if they are not attracted to us. Trust me, the agencies are making this possible for us. If your some stud and can meet all these girls then carry on. We are not consistent with the girls on SA as we all want variety so girls prefer agency for a consistent form of income. But nonetheless mother Teresa. Don't book the agencies and keep doing your thing on SA. Don't try 5 o fuck it up for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3928672]Fruit Ninja, Raiden is right.
He isn't a competitor. Who gives a shit about how many posts are given on a forum. I've used MCE in the past as well as other agencies. I've spoken to several of the girls who are no longer with MCE and currently with MCE. It's a given fact that the owner does fuck girls on SA to recruit and does them raw dogggy.
Since you're so active on SA, as well as I am since I no longer use agencies. Autumn, Alexa, Vic, Clarissa, Kate, Stephanie, Hazema, are on it or once were on it. There are also several others too, but those names I can think of now.
I've met a few, outside of the agency and these young girls do talk. Those girls that I've listed, you could have fucked them for 2 hours plus paying MCE hour price. Why patronize a biz that charges a lot and treat their girls unfairly? SA will dominate the industry once legislation becomes active and agencies will be no more. The new hot fucks are on SA not with agencies.[/QUOTE]A lot of people gives a shit about a user's forum status. For all I know, you can be using a dupe account as Raiden. With all your expertise on SA, you've yet to make a post on that thread but instead just bash agencies here. You make it sound like SA is easy but the SA thread says otherwise.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3929557]Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.[/QUOTE]You know, these agencies are proving pussy for us, and we are enjoying it. If this doesn't work for you then move on and go do your SA missions. You are mad that agencies exist? Is that it? Do you think that any of us will care what you have to say, or that we will stop booking based on your 1 cent? You are a troll and you are not contributing to anything. All you negativity clearly shows the kind of personality you have and in no way would a girl From SA keep seeing you. With your negativity, it's very likely that you were black listed so your lashing out here.
Moving on.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3929557]Girls on SA would meet us even if we are not attractive. Money talks, shit walks.
Girls want money, we give money on SA even if we look like Louie Anderson.
Whats the difference with agencies? Do they force them to see ugly clients? If so, that's fucked up on MCE. If the girls find us not attractive, there going to find us not attractive either way. What they find attractive are Benjamins. That's what the girls want.
Fosta and Sesta legislation will fuck it up once they are active on websites promoting escorts. Then SA will be the only source of finding hot chicks that would fuck for money. Agencies would be no more when that happens. Agencies main competition are SB websites. There are way more pussy and 18 years olds than a good agency can actually have. Let's say hundreds, maybe to thousand on SA. Yet, agencies only way to prosper are recruiting girls on SA. And that is what MCE, angelis and EEC does. Without SA, they wouldn't exist.
Get with the times JohnSnowChi.[/QUOTE]Talking SA only: Why would you want to see a girl that finds you unattractive? That's a recipe for a bad experience. I've found that SA girls that find me handsome and are excited about meeting tend to be GFE under the sheets. Ones that are just turning tricks tend to be uneventful. My current SB never misses a day telling me how handsome I am. She never says no to sex. And she's amazing in bed. That's why I moved her in.
Write an actual report and not ask dumb questions.
[QUOTE=TheMinister;3929512]Question for the moderator:
No matter what I write or how I write it, none of my posts get published. What am I doing wrong??
[blue]Not reading the FAQ. As a new member your posts need to be moderated before they go live and if you keep posting stuff that meant to stir up shit you will always need moderation.
After three months you need to ask what SA is? Like that wasn't intended to make every senior jump your ass for not reading the forum.
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[QUOTE=FruitNinja;3929774]Talking SA only: Why would you want to see a girl that finds you unattractive? That's a recipe for a bad experience. I've found that SA girls that find me handsome and are excited about meeting tend to be GFE under the sheets. Ones that are just turning tricks tend to be uneventful. My current SB never misses a day telling me how handsome I am. She never says no to sex. And she's amazing in bed. That's why I moved her in.[/QUOTE]Fruitninja, I think we need to just stop responding to these troll accounts and start reporting them.
[QUOTE=AsiaPhileJake1;3928793]I received prescreen approval from EEC prior to the website shutdown. I now receive updates on schedules every day. Sometimes both text and WhatsApp. I have told them one or the other but not both which they seemed to oblige for the most part. I have also asked if it was possible to just message them when I would be in the area for the daily schedule. This seems to be too much of an inconvenience for them. The really annoying part of this besides getting updated every day which I don't need is the photos automatically go into my album. Does anyone know how to stop this from happening within the application? I'm to the point of telling them to take me off their list. It's not like I'm in the area all that often and able to drop $$ 5 on a regular basis. I got approved back then when they had a provider who pleased my appetite.[/QUOTE]To stop the photos from saving to your camera roll, in WhatsApp, go to Settings then choose Chat. From there make sure "Save to Camera Roll" is set off. That's all ya need to do!
[QUOTE=JohnSnowChi;3929731]You know, these agencies are proving pussy for us, and we are enjoying it. If this doesn't work for you then move on and go do your SA missions. You are mad that agencies exist? Is that it? Do you think that any of us will care what you have to say, or that we will stop booking based on your 1 cent? You are a troll and you are not contributing to anything. All you negativity clearly shows the kind of personality you have and in no way would a girl From SA keep seeing you. With your negativity, it's very likely that you were black listed so your lashing out here.
Moving on.[/QUOTE]I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3930888]I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.[/QUOTE]Well Modeling Avenue is owned by a female. I've known her for many years now. She doesn't extort sex from her girls and she does keep 60% instead of 50%.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3930888]I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.[/QUOTE]Long time lurker just giving my cent. As a disclaimer I'm a newbie monger in Chicago and have used agencies only in the US. I've kept seeing SA being brought up in a lot of these replies and often times argued as a better alternative for agencies. While I do recognize the certain advantages one may find in SA, I just find it very disingenuous to say that SA will replace agencies, or that SA is even a direct competitor of agencies.
The business model between the two is obviously different although both target the same consumers. SA is set up as a dating site and just like many other dating sites share the same pitfalls. Namely: scams, stings, and overall unreliability. So I just visited the SA thread and lo and behold the first three pages discussion surrounds about the same three things that I've just mentioned: fear of scams, stings, and flakey / fake girls. And this the driving factor for why I on one hand shies away from SA.
In my head I ask these essential questions: if I see a girl's profile in SA, am I confident that I would be able to see her? If I see a girl I want in SA, am I confident that she is a legit provider? Yes or No? If I see a girl I want in SA, and after putting in the effort of "maybe" spending time with her, am I confident that will lead to some sexy times? Yes or No? Do all the girls in SA have standardized / uniform rate / expectations / SOP of what they expect from me? Am I to sift through hundreds, perhaps thousands of profiles asking the same questions over and over to just have some good time?
How is this any better from just looking at ads and doing the same shit test? For a chance to raw dog a hoo er? I'm not sure that's even a positive preference all the time in the first place. If she's willing to raw dog you for a couple of $$, then she's most possibly raw dogging hundreds of mongers too. I don't know about the standards here but when I was mongering in the Philippines (where selling se x is illegal) massage (brothel) girls get tested at least once a month, some every 2 weeks. And they don't even allow bareback. So this "positive" isn't exactly an unsurmountable preference that will sway one to a SA girl over an agency one.
Then comes an even more laughable plea for the girl's treatment: Serving 7 up to 10 guys a day to make about half of the rate (oh the humanity!
Let's just say for example that a provider's rate is 400 and she gets to keep half of it. She gets to see 7 guys in a day and she makes 1400. If she were in SA and charges _half_ of that for the same service, spends about _twice_ amount of time per appt, and even do bareback (wow! What a deal), then you're saying that she does all that _hardwork_ to essentially net the same amount of $. And since she has lower volume than an agency girl, her net $ will also be lower.
Does this sound like a total BS to any of you? Either you're truly concerned for the girls or you're a total dirtbag to them.
[QUOTE=JHobby;3932942]Long time lurker just giving my cent. As a disclaimer I'm a newbie monger in Chicago and have used agencies only in the US. I've kept seeing SA being brought up in a lot of these replies and often times argued as a better alternative for agencies. While I do recognize the certain advantages one may find in SA, I just find it very disingenuous to say that SA will replace agencies, or that SA is even a direct competitor of agencies.
The business model between the two is obviously different although both target the same consumers. SA is set up as a dating site and just like many other dating sites share the same pitfalls. Namely: scams, stings, and overall unreliability. So I just visited the SA thread and lo and behold the first three pages discussion surrounds about the same three things that I've just mentioned: fear of scams, stings, and flakey / fake girls. And this the driving factor for why I on one hand shies away from SA.
In my head I ask these essential questions: if I see a girl's profile in SA, am I confident that I would be able to see her? If I see a girl I want in SA, am I confident that she is a legit provider? Yes or No? If I see a girl I want in SA, and after putting in the effort of "maybe" spending time with her, am I confident that will lead to some sexy times? Yes or No? Do all the girls in SA have standardized / uniform rate / expectations / SOP of what they expect from me? Am I to sift through hundreds, perhaps thousands of profiles asking the same questions over and over to just have some good time?
How is this any better from just looking at ads and doing the same shit test? For a chance to raw dog a hoo er? I'm not sure that's even a positive preference all the time in the first place. If she's willing to raw dog you for a couple of $$, then she's most possibly raw dogging hundreds of mongers too. I don't know about the standards here but when I was mongering in the Philippines (where selling se x is illegal) massage (brothel) girls get tested at least once a month, some every 2 weeks. And they don't even allow bareback. So this "positive" isn't exactly an unsurmountable preference that will sway one to a SA girl over an agency one.
Then comes an even more laughable plea for the girl's treatment: Serving 7 up to 10 guys a day to make about half of the rate (oh the humanity!
Let's just say for example that a provider's rate is 400 and she gets to keep half of it. She gets to see 7 guys in a day and she makes 1400. If she were in SA and charges _half_ of that for the same service, spends about _twice_ amount of time per appt, and even do bareback (wow! What a deal), then you're saying that she does all that _hardwork_ to essentially net the same amount of $. And since she has lower volume than an agency girl, her net $ will also be lower.
Does this sound like a total BS to any of you? Either you're truly concerned for the girls or you're a total dirtbag to them.[/QUOTE]All those questions you have asked can be answered if there was a review board for SB and SD. If there was, and the SB know that their reputation is on the line to make money, it would be a lot easier for us mongers to fuck new girls rather than using agencies. Since there isn't a review website, well you take risks on a SB girl.
It's the same risk as meeting a escorts on CL, BP, and using a agency such as MCE, Angelis, EEC. But most girls on SA are real and ready to fuck. Sure it takes effort, but it's worth it in the end.
Girls on SA can act as independent escorts and make twice the amount, if they have the knowledge on how to screen and know how to be under the radar on SA. SA is a great platform to advertise or be known to get clients. Look how MCE, Angeli, and EEC got their girls LOL. Technically speaking, SB on SA are actually independent escorts but the owner of SA can't say that.
And yes, once the crackdown begins, SA will replace escort agencies. When that time comes, you will be remembering that this monger actually has a point.
I have trouble believing that the girls at the agencies you've mentioned are seeing that many people per day. I have used these agencies, and with my schedule, my appointments are generally arranged rather hastily and without much notice. I generally end up seeing who I want and at the time I want. If the girls are banging that many guys on the days they're on, I don't see how I could have my pick of girl and time as frequently as I do. I'm not saying you are wrong; I'm just asking for some additional explication.
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3930888]I'm not mad that agencies exist. I've used them before and before SA went online.
What I just don't like about these pimps, MCE, Angelis, EEC that they treat their girls unfairly. The keep 50/50 cut, are forced to see 7-10 men in a day and they are forced to fuck the owners raw dog. Come on now. If they raw dog it, every monger that books a app should raw dog their girls. Some girls may say it's untrue but they are sugar coating it to keep their jobs.
Once the crackdown begins, everyone will be using SA since they have some cushion around the law, agencies don't.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=ChiCity01;3933560]All those questions you have asked can be answered if there was a review board for SB and SD. If there was, and the SB know that their reputation is on the line to make money, it would be a lot easier for us mongers to fuck new girls rather than using agencies. Since there isn't a review website, well you take risks on a SB girl.
It's the same risk as meeting a escorts on CL, BP, and using a agency such as MCE, Angelis, EEC. But most girls on SA are real and ready to fuck. Sure it takes effort, but it's worth it in the end.
Girls on SA can act as independent escorts and make twice the amount, if they have the knowledge on how to screen and know how to be under the radar on SA. SA is a great platform to advertise or be known to get clients. Look how MCE, Angeli, and EEC got their girls LOL. Technically speaking, SB on SA are actually independent escorts but the owner of SA can't say that.
And yes, once the crackdown begins, SA will replace escort agencies. When that time comes, you will be remembering that this monger actually has a point.[/QUOTE]You keep saying crackdown an dsomehow SA is immune from it. How exactly is SA any safer from a "crackdown"? It's advertised as girls seeking men with "money". If that's not screaming pay 4 se x then I don't know what is. I'm surprised not more mongers are voicing out concerns with it in the first place. Not only are the girls advertising themselves, but the mongers are putting themselves out there in the open risking themselves on stings. It's the most convenient place to mark all the possible johns. What failsafe does SA have thet makes it immune?