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Purchasing a girl, however well intentioned is Trafficking, quite illegal in Cambodia.

He is an idiot to write this.



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Kristof: Striking the brothels' bottom line

Last updated January 13, 2009 10:34 a.m. PT

By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST

POIPET, Cambodia -- In trying to figure out how we can defeat sex trafficking, a starting point is to think like a brothel owner.

My guide to that has been Sok Khorn, an amiable middle-aged woman who is a longtime brothel owner here in the wild Cambodian town of Poipet. I met her five years ago when she sold me a teenager, Srey Mom, for $203 and then blithely wrote me a receipt confirming that the girl was now my property. At another brothel nearby, I purchased another imprisoned teenager for $150.

Astonished that in the 21st century I had bought two human beings, I took them back to their villages and worked with a local aid group to help them start small businesses. I've remained close to them over the years, but the results were mixed.

The second girl did wonderfully, learning hairdressing and marrying a terrific man. But Srey Mom, it turned out, was addicted to methamphetamine and fled back to the brothel world to feed her craving.

I just returned again to Khorn's brothel to interview her, and found something remarkable. It had gone broke and closed, like many of the brothels in Poipet. One lesson is that the business model is more vulnerable than it looks. There are ways we can make enslaving girls more risky and less profitable, so that traffickers give up in disgust.

For years, Khorn had been grumbling to me about the brothel -- the low margins, the seven-day schedule, difficult customers, grasping policemen and scorn from the community. There was also a personal toll, for her husband had sex with the girls, infuriating her, and the couple eventually divorced bitterly. Khorn was also troubled that her youngest daughter, now 13, was growing up surrounded by drunken, leering men.

Then in the last year, the brothel business became even more challenging amid rising pressure from aid groups, journalists and the U.S. State Department's trafficking office. The office issued reports shaming Cambodian leaders and threatened sanctions if they did nothing.

Many of the brothels are owned by the police, which complicates matters, but eventually authorities in Cambodia were pressured enough that they ordered a partial crackdown.

"They didn't tell me to close down exactly," said another Poipet brothel owner whom I've also interviewed periodically. "But they said I should keep the front door closed."

About half the brothels in Poipet seem to have gone out of business in the last couple of years. After Khorn's brothel closed, her daughter-in-law took four of the prostitutes to staff a new brothel, but it's doing poorly, and she is thinking of starting a rice shop instead. "A store would be more profitable," grumbled the daughter-in-law, Sav Channa.

"The police come almost every day, asking for $5," she said. "Any time a policeman gets drunk, he comes and asks for money. ... Sometimes I just close up and pretend that this isn't a brothel. I say that we're all sisters."

Channa, who does not seem to be imprisoning anyone against her will, readily acknowledged that some other brothels in Poipet torture girls, enslave them and occasionally beat them to death. She complained that their cruelty gives them a competitive advantage.

But brutality has its own drawbacks as a business model, particularly during a crackdown, pimps say. Brothels that imprison and torture girls have to pay for 24-hour guards, and they lose business because they can't allow customers to take girls out to hotel rooms. Moreover, the Cambodian government has begun prosecuting the most abusive traffickers.

"One brothel owner here was actually arrested," complained another owner in Poipet, indignantly. "After that, I was so scared, I closed the brothel for a while."

To be sure, a new brothel district has opened up on the edge of Poipet -- in the guise of "karaoke lounges" employing teenage girls. One of the Mama-sans there offered that while she didn't have a young virgin girl in stock, she could get me one.

Virgin sales are the profit center for many brothels in Asia (partly because they stitch girls up and resell them as virgins several times over), and thus these sales are their economic vulnerability as well. If we want to undermine sex trafficking, the best way is to pressure governments like Cambodia's to organize sting operations and arrest both buyers and sellers of virgin girls. Cambodia has shown it is willing to take at least some action, and that is one that would strike at the heart of the business model.

Sexual slavery is like any other business: Raise the operating costs, create a risk of jail, and the human traffickers will quite sensibly shift to some other trade. If the Obama administration treats 21st-century slavery as a top priority, we can push many of the traffickers to quit in disgust and switch to stealing motorcycles instead.

Nicholas D. Kristof is a columnist for the New York Times. Copyright 2009 New York Times News Service.[/QUOTE]

I've found that pricing can really depend on your attitude and how you present. Also, treating the girls well helps a lot too.

I had a regular that called me up once when I hadn't seen her for a while, she asked and I told her basically it was cause I didn't have the cash to throw around.

She called me the next day and said she'd go way lower (like a 1/3 what she normally got). After that I never paid the full asking price, but I went back to her a lot. And why not, she was a great lay in a decent apartment in a nice area (nothing skeezy).

If I haggle with the ladies a little I can usually get them to drop their price from 10-30 bucks. You are already there, you got the cash, she wants/needs the cash, you can walk and find another. We hold all the cards. We are just afraid to piss off a women we will probably never see again.

We don't set the price, the SW sets the price. We may try to bargain and get a better deal but they have their mind set one a certain price and if they don't get that price or some where near that price then that gives them an excuse to offer less service and then we receive what I like to call a "poor-mans quickie", and if you are not a premature ejaculator then you will not get your money worth.

"We are just afraid to piss off a women we will probably never see again"

That's not true, if you know the streets and the rules of the streets then you will know that its not about fear but about reaching middle ground, different areas also define the prices set by the SW, most of the SW are out there for one reason, drug money. There may be a few that are out there to try to get important things that they need to get by in this weak economy but most of them are only there to get their drug fix. The price of the drugs varies from one area to the next and this is what the SW's use to set their prices, the idea is the less they have to "work" to get their fix the better. So what they do is they will set their prices higher than the cost of the drugs and this does 2 things: 1. If they get full price then they get what they want then some. 2. If they can't get the asking price then you will probably be trying to cut the price in half for your benefit but she will go back up a little just to make sure she has enough for her fix, this is that middle I mentioned earlier.

You are probably wondering "well then why didn't they just tell me that price from the start?" remember, they want their fix and they don't want to have to be out there longer than they have to. This is not the 70s. 80s, or early 90s anymore, lots of things have changed since then and they can't stay out there as long as they used to.

The reason is mainly law enforcement, the longer they are out there the more chances for them to get caught by uncle leo. And unlike back then, these SW are freelancers now and there are no pimps involved like it used to be so the women make their own decisions and set their own prices, they figure if they set the price higher then the drugs that they buy, then they have all bases covered. Now if you drop below their set minimum then that's when the shit starts to hit the fan.

Its like this, say you see a SW and pick her up and she quote you 60$ then you say hell no and quote back 20$, then she counters with 40$ then you quote her 30$ and she accepts. So what just happened. Ok here is the trick, lets say that the drugs she buys cost about 30$, her mind is set at 30$ but she knows that there will be bargain shoppers out there that will haggle for a lower price, so she sets her price higher than 30$ so that if you haggle the price down to her set minimum she can then agree knowing that she will get her fix, and you leave thinking you bargained the best deal so you are happy and so is she so everybody wins. But if she set her price at 30$ from the start then she might have only gotten half of that price and that means she has to "work" another "shift" to make enough for her fix, remember she's not trying to stay out too long so she hopes that her first customer will be her last customer for the day, besides do you really want to receive a "poor-mans quickie"?

Its easy to tell what her set minimum is, that's the price she stops at, and if she won't budge from that price then you will have a good idea of what she's paying for drugs.

So we the mongers don't set the price, the drug dealers set the price, and the SWs make us think that we are getting a deal when that was the asking price all along.

I'd like to say it's a very cynical way to look at it, but you actually may be onto something.

So sad when us ladies are automatically labeled as such. It is obvious you see the wrong women out there if that is all you know about them. Because of that is why it is tough to get anything. I never cared for drugs and also like the company of a man, but don't want to feel used because he always gets off taking from a woman whether he gives her money or not. Us straight ladies who want to pay the politics like house taxes are here too. Economy decides how much we have to charge because after we get the money we have to give it up to economy and politics just like any other job. Us women have to pay the same amount to everything as you guys do, and men control economy today just like they always did. It is how life just is.

SensualSkyla.

[QUOTE=Boner Alert; 1306425]We don't set the price, the SW sets the price. We may try to bargain and get a better deal but they have their mind set one a certain price and if they don't get that price or some where near that price then that gives them an excuse to offer less service and then we receive what I like to call a "poor-mans quickie", and if you are not a premature ejaculator then you will not get your money worth.

"We are just afraid to piss off a women we will probably never see again"

That's not true, if you know the streets and the rules of the streets then you will know that its not about fear but about reaching middle ground, different areas also define the prices set by the SW, most of the SW are out there for one reason, drug money. There may be a few that are out there to try to get important things that they need to get by in this weak economy but most of them are only there to get their drug fix. The price of the drugs varies from one area to the next and this is what the SW's use to set their prices, the idea is the less they have to "work" to get their fix the better. So what they do is they will set their prices higher than the cost of the drugs and this does 2 things: 1. If they get full price then they get what they want then some. 2. If they can't get the asking price then you will probably be trying to cut the price in half for your benefit but she will go back up a little just to make sure she has enough for her fix, this is that middle I mentioned earlier.

You are probably wondering "well then why didn't they just tell me that price from the start?" remember, they want their fix and they don't want to have to be out there longer than they have to. This is not the 70s. 80s, or early 90s anymore, lots of things have changed since then and they can't stay out there as long as they used to.

The reason is mainly law enforcement, the longer they are out there the more chances for them to get caught by uncle leo. And unlike back then, these SW are freelancers now and there are no pimps involved like it used to be so the women make their own decisions and set their own prices, they figure if they set the price higher then the drugs that they buy, then they have all bases covered. Now if you drop below their set minimum then that's when the shit starts to hit the fan.

Its like this, say you see a SW and pick her up and she quote you 60$ then you say hell no and quote back 20$, then she counters with 40$ then you quote her 30$ and she accepts. So what just happened. Ok here is the trick, lets say that the drugs she buys cost about 30$, her mind is set at 30$ but she knows that there will be bargain shoppers out there that will haggle for a lower price, so she sets her price higher than 30$ so that if you haggle the price down to her set minimum she can then agree knowing that she will get her fix, and you leave thinking you bargained the best deal so you are happy and so is she so everybody wins. But if she set her price at 30$ from the start then she might have only gotten half of that price and that means she has to "work" another "shift" to make enough for her fix, remember she's not trying to stay out too long so she hopes that her first customer will be her last customer for the day, besides do you really want to receive a "poor-mans quickie"?

Its easy to tell what her set minimum is, that's the price she stops at, and if she won't budge from that price then you will have a good idea of what she's paying for drugs.

So we the mongers don't set the price, the drug dealers set the price, and the SWs make us think that we are getting a deal when that was the asking price all along.[/QUOTE]

I'm not an SW but I'm sure not every lady who is does drugs like you label them here. There are plenty who need the money for legit reasons after men in political positions of all types and power took it from them in many ways and want more from them today, but are ready to punish them if they don't have it now. It happens everyday to women all the time.

SensualSkyla.

[QUOTE=Boner Alert; 1306425]We don't set the price, the SW sets the price. We may try to bargain and get a better deal but they have their mind set one a certain price and if they don't get that price or some where near that price then that gives them an excuse to offer less service and then we receive what I like to call a "poor-mans quickie", and if you are not a premature ejaculator then you will not get your money worth.

"We are just afraid to piss off a women we will probably never see again"

That's not true, if you know the streets and the rules of the streets then you will know that its not about fear but about reaching middle ground, different areas also define the prices set by the SW, most of the SW are out there for one reason, drug money. There may be a few that are out there to try to get important things that they need to get by in this weak economy but most of them are only there to get their drug fix. The price of the drugs varies from one area to the next and this is what the SW's use to set their prices, the idea is the less they have to "work" to get their fix the better. So what they do is they will set their prices higher than the cost of the drugs and this does 2 things: 1. If they get full price then they get what they want then some. 2. If they can't get the asking price then you will probably be trying to cut the price in half for your benefit but she will go back up a little just to make sure she has enough for her fix, this is that middle I mentioned earlier.

You are probably wondering "well then why didn't they just tell me that price from the start?" remember, they want their fix and they don't want to have to be out there longer than they have to. This is not the 70s. 80s, or early 90s anymore, lots of things have changed since then and they can't stay out there as long as they used to.

The reason is mainly law enforcement, the longer they are out there the more chances for them to get caught by uncle leo. And unlike back then, these SW are freelancers now and there are no pimps involved like it used to be so the women make their own decisions and set their own prices, they figure if they set the price higher then the drugs that they buy, then they have all bases covered. Now if you drop below their set minimum then that's when the shit starts to hit the fan.

Its like this, say you see a SW and pick her up and she quote you 60$ then you say hell no and quote back 20$, then she counters with 40$ then you quote her 30$ and she accepts. So what just happened. Ok here is the trick, lets say that the drugs she buys cost about 30$, her mind is set at 30$ but she knows that there will be bargain shoppers out there that will haggle for a lower price, so she sets her price higher than 30$ so that if you haggle the price down to her set minimum she can then agree knowing that she will get her fix, and you leave thinking you bargained the best deal so you are happy and so is she so everybody wins. But if she set her price at 30$ from the start then she might have only gotten half of that price and that means she has to "work" another "shift" to make enough for her fix, remember she's not trying to stay out too long so she hopes that her first customer will be her last customer for the day, besides do you really want to receive a "poor-mans quickie"?

Its easy to tell what her set minimum is, that's the price she stops at, and if she won't budge from that price then you will have a good idea of what she's paying for drugs.

So we the mongers don't set the price, the drug dealers set the price, and the SWs make us think that we are getting a deal when that was the asking price all along.[/QUOTE]

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I have a SW that has a house and if she hosts I only give her $40. Does she want more? Yes. Does she ask for more? Yes. But we set the price. If she doesn't want my $40 I will find a SW that will give me a BJ down the street.

[QUOTE=Steve508;1911618]I have a SW that has a house and if she hosts I only give her $40. Does she want more? Yes. Does she ask for more? Yes. But we set the price. If she doesn't want my $40 I will find a SW that will give me a BJ down the street.[/QUOTE]I saw a great bumper sticker once, "Congress, you cannot repeal the law of supply and demand." The going price for an hour in my home area is anywhere from about $.6 to $5 or so. We have one provider that asks $ for FS and is pretty famous for her intensity. Why does she do it and what do others think? She told me she is happy with that. She gets all the dates she wants, only works during the day, doesn't have any overhead (outcall only) and goes fishing on the weekends. Other providers wish she would charge more and don't necessarily say nice things about her.

OK. So pretty much every guy on this forum in our area have her on our ATF list. Great price, great product, great service.- better than Walmart! BUT she is not the only SP I see. In fact, for my next date she isn't on the list. I have three others.- all new to me but am communicating with them and all seem like things will be fun. The low-cost SP? She will be my fall back because, because, because.

I do not haggle on suggested donations. I just don't. And I do bargain for price out in the real world on about everything else. I haggle over all sorts of things.- but this one thing.- this one thing that is so personal.- I am sorry, I am not going to beat up a SP on the price she sets. If I think it is outside what I want to give then I move on. If she asks why I tell her.- price matters. If she wants to lower her rate then I really want her to tell me why? I also want to know if I will get reduced service because she lowered the price. I know this may come as a surprise but there are some SP's out there that aren' the brightest bulb in the box.- it happens. I just want to be assured that she is lowering the price but not lowering the quality. And I absolutely don't want her to feel like she got taken.- she will take that out on me in the form of poor service (or worse).

They say that compromise is reached when neither side if happy. Think about it. If she is not happy because you beat her up on price and you are not happy because you had to come up a little above what you wanted, then.- think real hard on this one before you answer.- what the fuck do you think is going to happen in your session? You feel like you paid too much and she is going to give you less than stellar service because she is coming in with an attitude. Would you piss off a waiter before he brings you your food? I guess some would.

I do not have a great answer. I personally tend to gravitate toward SP's that publish their donations. Of course, that also means I don't see SW types and probably avoid a lot of potential ladies that advertise. I do go through phases. Last year, I went through a BBW phase and, frankly, got some very enthusiastic fat chicks for some bargain prices. A few months ago I was looking for the perfect teenage spinner.- well, she doesn't exists. Right now, I want a wild red head nympho and have managed to line up three for later this week.- one is bound to pan out. But I won't be beating up any on suggested donation.- no, I want a good ride.

Just my two cents.

Why? The rest of the economy is compatible, a native meal is a few pennies.

[QUOTE=JohnKozumak;1981840]This article made me think about how crazy this world is [URL]http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Prostitution_Prices[/URL].

According to that women in Bangladesh ask only couple bucks, in Egypt tourists will have to pay 2-300 bucks, India just couple dollars and in Amsterdam around 70 dollars. It is understandable if you think local wages and compare to that, but still makes me sad.[/QUOTE]

If a provider is charging more because she thinks that she is worth it, then she better be or she deserves the reviews that she isn't all that.

Honestly, I see a lot of people complaining about the prices (and don't get me wrong, this IS an expensive pasttime!) but you know what? Nobody is forcing you to see that particular worker! I frequent a masseuse and I've seen other people post some less than flattering reviews about her prices. To be honest, I've never had a problem. I'm more than happy getting what I paid for, and every cent is worth it. In fact, I've been going to her enough that she'll sometimes charge me a little less. So you just have to know how to play the game. If you want a $5 BJ, then be prepared to get the worst BJ of your life, because you'll only get what you pay for.