"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5246060]Not to be that guy, but seriously? These girls lie as if their lives depended on it so I would never trust anything real, such health to one of these girls. A 27 yo doctor with bolt-ons? Please. You do understand that at 27 she'd be starting her residency and have no time to hang on SA or meet SD's. It's more likely she's a hooker with a cover story.[/QUOTE]This is the most accurate piece of info that any newbie reading the SB forums should understand. If these chicks have their mouth open (and it's not being used to suck your cock) they are most likely lying about something. It's simply the nature of the game.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5246060]Not to be that guy, but seriously? These girls lie as if their lives depended on it so I would never trust anything real, such health to one of these girls. A 27 yo doctor with bolt-ons? Please. You do understand that at 27 she'd be starting her residency and have no time to hang on SA or meet SD's. It's more likely she's a hooker with a cover story.[/QUOTE]I respect you and Mr. Roger, you've posted a ton and obviously have a lot of experience. Me too, however. It isn't logical to me that you can make a judgment about a situation from a simple statement I made, with no facts. We all have cover stories. With respect to that girl, she said she had a medical degree from an eastern European university, but to be licensed in the US would have to do a residency. She was spending her time studying for her boards so she could enter one. I am a professional in the biomedical field who has interacted with countless people like she claimed to be. There was nothing about her knowledge that said anything other than she really did have medical training. I enjoyed interacting with her b / c she was smart, something I like in a SB.

And then, just generally, as I have said elsewhere. Everyone gets the sugar bowl they're looking for. If you regard SBs with suspicion, you'll get the ones that deserve your suspicion. Of course, I have been mistaken about a girl, but I've never been ripped off. I have had ongoing arrangements w / girls who were Playboy models (when younger. I saw the photos. No doubt). I have had arrangements with salt of the earth types who I would trust quite a bit. But not with my actual identity. Maintaining control is always the way to go for me. My risk / reward demands it.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5247582]I respect you and Mr. Roger, you've posted a ton and obviously have a lot of experience. Me too, however. It isn't logical to me that you can make a judgment about a situation from a simple statement I made, with no facts. We all have cover stories. With respect to that girl, she said she had a medical degree from an eastern European university, but to be licensed in the US would have to do a residency. She was spending her time studying for her boards so she could enter one. I am a professional in the biomedical field who has interacted with countless people like she claimed to be. There was nothing about her knowledge that said anything other than she really did have medical training. I enjoyed interacting with her b / c she was smart, something I like in a SB.

And then, just generally, as I have said elsewhere. Everyone gets the sugar bowl they're looking for. If you regard SBs with suspicion, you'll get the ones that deserve your suspicion. Of course, I have been mistaken about a girl, but I've never been ripped off. I have had ongoing arrangements w / girls who were Playboy models (when younger. I saw the photos. No doubt). I have had arrangements with salt of the earth types who I would trust quite a bit. But not with my actual identity. Maintaining control is always the way to go for me. My risk / reward demands it.[/QUOTE]Just because we have cover stories or hide some of our personal info doesn't mean we necessarily lie. If a girl tells you she's had covid or has been vaccinated, I would never take her word for it. Anything and I mean ANYTHING I can't verify independently with a SB is questionable. If some girl tells you you'll be ok cause she's vaccinated, I wouldn't accept that without some proof. That's all. Many guys come on here and go "my SB said this or that thing, she got this much or did nothing with other guys, etc. " and what I'm saying is "did you verify? If not, how do you know for sure? If it's not verified, it's not real.

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5248255]Just because we have cover stories or hide some of our personal info doesn't mean we necessarily lie. If a girl tells you she's had covid or has been vaccinated, I would never take her word for it. Anything and I mean ANYTHING I can't verify independently with a SB is questionable. If some girl tells you you'll be ok cause she's vaccinated, I wouldn't accept that without some proof. That's all. Many guys come on here and go "my SB said this or that thing, she got this much or did nothing with other guys, etc. " and what I'm saying is "did you verify? If not, how do you know for sure? If it's not verified, it's not real.[/QUOTE]Some things can be verified, some things we make our own assessments on. On any girl even close to 'young', I ask them to 'promise' me they are at least 18. Some offer their licenses, or promise their licenses if / when we meet. I usually just say something like 'I had to ask', which I do.

I have a CDC vaccination card, I would give a (name redacted) screen shot of that to anyone who wanted it. Maybe I would ask that in return. And, of course, right now, anyone who said they have a vaccine who isn't in one of the obvious groups (nope, I am not messaging with 65+ POTs), it's fair to ask why they are getting the vaccine. I have specifically approached several nurses and nursing students, prolific in my area, and asked if they've been vaccinated, and they have all said no, interestingly.

And you were simply incorrect about that 27 YO doctor.

I had a very pretty / hot Asian coed POT on the phone today who said she was getting 1 K per meet from her last arrangement. I responded with the polite declination I've used since I've seen it laid out in these pages. "I am sure there are a few girls on the site who get that, and you are certainly a very attractive / appealing woman, you could be one of them. However, that's not something that I would be able to do, so if I were you, I'd try to track down that guy who gave you that, if that is what you really care about. " Of course I didn't believe her. She can try to snooker me. But I have zero relationship with this girl and no reason to trust her. But even if I did I could never give her that. I said I wouldn't negotiate with someone I'd never met. Ultimately, I killed the whole conversation of mental masturbation and sent her on her way.

Anyone have any experience with this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

Had a strange encounter just now. IDK if she was trying to rip me off or if she chickened out or if it was real but 10 minutes after getting to my place she answered her phone and got emotional. Said her grandfather had a stroke and she had to go to the hospital and left. Still asked for the donation though.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5249065]Anyone have any experience with this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

Had a strange encounter just now. IDK if she was trying to rip me off or if she chickened out or if it was real but 10 minutes after getting to my place she answered her phone and got emotional. Said her grandfather had a stroke and she had to go to the hospital and left. Still asked for the donation though.[/QUOTE]Maybe she was on something but the stories tend to change with her each time. Feel free to message me but I had a few good encounters with her and some not so. She's been reviewed on here a few times.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5249065]Anyone have any experience with this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

Had a strange encounter just now. IDK if she was trying to rip me off or if she chickened out or if it was real but 10 minutes after getting to my place she answered her phone and got emotional. Said her grandfather had a stroke and she had to go to the hospital and left. Still asked for the donation though.[/QUOTE]I did a quick search back for posts that quoted her profile on SA -- except for KevinCalormis. Not one had actually seen her or got her into bed! Her MO seems to flake! I am thinking the phone call was planned.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5249166]I did a quick search back for posts that quoted her profile on SA -- except for KevinCalormis. Not one had actually seen her or got her into bed! Her MO seems to flake! I am thinking the phone call was planned.[/QUOTE]When I was a rookie I had a woman come into my room asked for the donation which I gave her and she said I have to go out in the hall to make a phone call and took off!!

Lesson learned Never give money up front no deposits ahead of time etc.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5249065]Anyone have any experience with this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

Had a strange encounter just now. IDK if she was trying to rip me off or if she chickened out or if it was real but 10 minutes after getting to my place she answered her phone and got emotional. Said her grandfather had a stroke and she had to go to the hospital and left. Still asked for the donation though.[/QUOTE]I should have listened to Kevin, but despite his warning, I decided to meet up with her. She has a very cute face but her body is pretty messed up. She lost a lot of weight and her skin is extremely loose all around her body. Started chitchat and she started giving a BJ for like 30 seconds then tried to ride me even before I got hard. No protection and she would pretty much let you do whatever you want, but tried to rush you and since I didn't finish in 15 minutes she made up some excuse that she had to go somewhere. It was so wacky I didn't know what the hell was going on. She asks for the full amount (which I negotiated to be pretty low) and said that what she was doing would only take about an hour and to come back to hang out later. I offered to give half then and half when I saw her later, but she started begging and said she would take care of me later. I probably should have just given her half and left to never see her again but blue balls got the best of me. Of course, she texts back and says her meeting is taking too long and she would see me another day. She then tries to reschedule a few times and claims that she got in a car accident and asked if I could give her a prepayment for the next meet. I should have just blocked her but she started a sob story.

So she is definitely a scammer but you could probably deposit a load or two into her. I recommend very far lighting though a her loose skin is quite the boner killer.

Just a little tip here -- as most of us on here put the URL for the SBs profile when we do reports on them.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

If you want to search a thread for that girl to see what others have reported -- you can search using the end bit of the URL AFTER the dash.

So. For say Amberrvaxo shown above -- search the USASG thread for just 380 a6 d336 e42.

It works!

SA.

Travel to Richmond once or twice a month. Looking at trying to meet some new friends while up there.

Any information available on these?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a8c0b7ee-b52d-4883-a812-4a9973595b51[/URL]

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/bc21db1f-680b-400f-a8ce-9fb84e50fa22[/URL]

Thanks in advance and stay safe.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5249065]Anyone have any experience with this one?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

Had a strange encounter just now. IDK if she was trying to rip me off or if she chickened out or if it was real but 10 minutes after getting to my place she answered her phone and got emotional. Said her grandfather had a stroke and she had to go to the hospital and left. Still asked for the donation though.[/QUOTE]I feel like the number of SBs on the site has dwindled and we're all meeting up with the same girls.

I've met up with her a few times. Even been to her place in shockoe bottom. Meetings were fun but recently she's been real flakey. I got the car accident story too. I got stood up a few times and have had to just cut my losses. She's definitely open to meeting up but also pretty high volume. Wrap it up!

I did a quick search and didn't find anything on her which kinda surprised me and tbh, but does anyone have any information on her? Seems like I've seen her profile for quite a while. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dfe2e34d-a24f-49b4-bdaa-1d213e7c089f[/URL]

SATraveler,

Good tip for sure.

And also a great reminder for all of us to include the SA link copy in the body of our posts looking for intel or doing quick non detailed reviews, best to share that intel in PM.

Skins.

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5250610]Just a little tip here -- as most of us on here put the URL for the SBs profile when we do reports on them.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0172d660-0d0f-4cca-a3df-380a6d336e42[/URL]

If you want to search a thread for that girl to see what others have reported -- you can search using the end bit of the URL AFTER the dash.

So. For say Amberrvaxo shown above -- search the USASG thread for just 380 a6 d336 e42.

It works!

SA.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;5257446]Even been to her place in shockoe bottom. Meetings were fun but recently she's been real flakey. I got the car accident story too. I got stood up a few times and have had to just cut my losses. She's definitely open to meeting up but also pretty high volume. Wrap it up![/QUOTE]She hosted me, I've posted and shared that she has a terrible body. Tons of extra skin flapping around the belly. But yes, she is eager and high volume. I barebacked her a dropped a load inside, she didn't once mention a condom or even finishing outside. I had to get her in mish real quick because I wasn't going to be able to stay hard with her blowing me, that stomach was too gross. I think she has a serious substance abuse problem, judging from her rap sheet and behavior the one time I saw her. I regretted BBFSCIP as soon as it was over, got tested soon after and thankfully didn't have anything.

She's a hard pass in my book. Too bad, since she has a nice apartment in Shockoe and is willing to host which is nice since she is a flaky junkie.

What do you guys do when a girl asks for your papers? I almost never have this issue, since I do mostly 18-21 and they just seem to be down for raw. But I've been seeing this VCU student who is a smoke show and she won't let me go bare without an std test, there is no way she is getting my real name etc. Any suggestions on generating a believable one to a fake identity?

Anyone seen her? I'm trying to set something up. She seems open to a lot but also very green.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/30007669-411e-42df-8bab-f65518272014[/URL]

Scheduled several times with her, always flakes. She has a fw friends on the app as well that are simiiar. Always want you to send money and are willing to meet in the future. Anyone successfully nailed her? I found her social media, she is real and super hot.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/52915f9a-682e-45ea-af04-d3fb08361950[/URL]

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5259492]Scheduled several times with her, always flakes. She has a fw friends on the app as well that are simiiar. Always want you to send money and are willing to meet in the future. Anyone successfully nailed her? I found her social media, she is real and super hot.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/52915f9a-682e-45ea-af04-d3fb08361950[/URL][/QUOTE]And I quote:

"want you to send money and are willing to meet in the future".

We're still having this convo? You can send all the money you want, there is no "future".

I saw Miranda recently and had a decent time until the end. She showed up right at the FC, started blowing me pretty quickly and then hopped on for some bareback. After changing positions a few times I finished inside her. Nice body, a little larger than most asians. Honestly her nipples are huge, I couldn't decide if I like them. She isn't a very enthusiastic lay, sort of a dead fish. Ok girl, honestly I can't complain anytime I creampie a 19 yo but she definitely wasn't a repeat at the agreed upon price.

I should have looked up reviews on her because I would have avoided some trouble. When it came time to part ways she demanded twice what we agreed upon and was very belligerent about it. Judging from the other review of her on USASG that is her MO.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e74c800d-005a-470d-9144-ab81b7ae26ce[/URL]

[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5259528]And I quote:

"want you to send money and are willing to meet in the future".

We're still having this convo? You can send all the money you want, there is no "future".[/QUOTE] I've converted girls who use this line before. And no, I never send money.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5259459]What do you guys do when a girl asks for your papers? I almost never have this issue, since I do mostly 18-21 and they just seem to be down for raw. But I've been seeing this VCU student who is a smoke show and she won't let me go bare without an std test, there is no way she is getting my real name etc. Any suggestions on generating a believable one to a fake identity?[/QUOTE]I would never send my actual report in electronic form either, but when together, I've pulled up my most recent test on my phone or laptop and zoomed into the relevant results to show them on the spot, without showing name / address, etc. Haven't had an issue with that before, since the few I've done that with were just legitimately concerned about health status. If they're fishing for PII, that should be evident (and I'd cut bait quickly).

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5259459]What do you guys do when a girl asks for your papers? I almost never have this issue, since I do mostly 18-21 and they just seem to be down for raw. But I've been seeing this VCU student who is a smoke show and she won't let me go bare without an std test, there is no way she is getting my real name etc. Any suggestions on generating a believable one to a fake identity?[/QUOTE]Why not get a real one? You don't have to give your real name, you can give your sugar name, and that is right there on the page. It does cost a bit, like 200. I use stdcheck. You can pay with a prepaid debit card, show up at a local place to get blood drawn, and that's it. Get your results by email, you can print it.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5258736]I did a quick search and didn't find anything on her which kinda surprised me and tbh, but does anyone have any information on her? Seems like I've seen her profile for quite a while. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/dfe2e34d-a24f-49b4-bdaa-1d213e7c089f[/URL][/QUOTE]She has been around for awhile. I sent her a couple of messages with zero response.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5259971]Why not get a real one? You don't have to give your real name, you can give your sugar name, and that is right there on the page. It does cost a bit, like 200. I use stdcheck. You can pay with a prepaid debit card, show up at a local place to get blood drawn, and that's it. Get your results by email, you can print it.[/QUOTE]I've just been going to my doc. I guess it makes sense to go to a local clinic if I can use my fake name.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c7236c88-a693-427b-8e61-89f31aeaca6e[/URL]

Any info on this one, seems to be STF and settled on 3.5 scheduled one time but did not show up, got back and want to meet. Let me know or PM if you have any info.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/02ef6df1-880b-4277-aa4b-5b329d873b67[/URL]

Met this one she is fresh 18 one month after slightly thick for my liking but had a quick hot meet BBFS enjoyed but seems to be desperate for attention not sure if I continue.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5259459]What do you guys do when a girl asks for your papers? I almost never have this issue, since I do mostly 18-21 and they just seem to be down for raw. But I've been seeing this VCU student who is a smoke show and she won't let me go bare without an std test, there is no way she is getting my real name etc. Any suggestions on generating a believable one to a fake identity?[/QUOTE]Use an online service (stdcheck) and actually get the test done. Chlamydia can be quite silent -- you can be walking around infected for months and months. It's well worth it to just get checked once in a while.

What are the repercussions in case if you tested positive for a major std? I know some positive results have mandatory reporting (by the lab or doctor) to state health department or somewhere. Who will get notified or get to see that you are positive?

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.

[QUOTE=Bran001;5261894]Use an online service (stdcheck) and actually get the test done. Chlamydia can be quite silent -- you can be walking around infected for months and months. It's well worth it to just get checked once in a while.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DrSummer;5261976]What are the repercussions in case if you tested positive for a major std? I know some positive results have mandatory reporting (by the lab or doctor) to state health department or somewhere. Who will get notified or get to see that you are positive?

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]All medical information is private. There are strict guidelines when it comes to that. When you say major you mean? Any of the STDs suck and some are worse than others. But answer is no. Nobody is sharing your information.

[QUOTE=DrSummer;5261976]What are the repercussions in case if you tested positive for a major std? I know some positive results have mandatory reporting (by the lab or doctor) to state health department or somewhere. Who will get notified or get to see that you are positive?

Stay Safe.

Dr. S.[/QUOTE]I don't know the rules in every state, I know in CA where I am and in GA where a bowl buddy lives, there is no mandatory reporting and you are not required to provide photo I'd or anything to get a test. True anonymous STD testing is considered the best public health policy, I guess you might be unlucky enough to live in a state where they think you should burn in Hell if you get an itch. But, then I'd bet [URL]stdcheck.com[/URL] doesn't operate in those states. I used my sugar email and burner / GV phone number, there's no way they could track down the real me if they wanted to.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5263175]All medical information is private. There are strict guidelines when it comes to that. When you say major you mean? Any of the STDs suck and some are worse than others. But answer is no. Nobody is sharing your information.[/QUOTE]HIPAA.

Federal HIPAA legislation allows disclosure of protected health information, without consent of the individual, to public health authorities for the purpose of preventing or controlling disease. (HIPAA 45 CFR §164.512).

Many states require the reporting of an infectious disease. If they include personal identifying information is up to the state.

Legality aside, you are a pretty big scumbag if you are spreading disease and personally I'd be more worried about personal retribution than legal.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5263266]I don't know the rules in every state, I know in CA where I am and in GA where a bowl buddy lives, there is no mandatory reporting and you are not required to provide photo I'd or anything to get a test. True anonymous STD testing is considered the best public health policy, I guess you might be unlucky enough to live in a state where they think you should burn in Hell if you get an itch. But, then I'd bet [URL]stdcheck.com[/URL] doesn't operate in those states. I used my sugar email and burner / GV phone number, there's no way they could track down the real me if they wanted to.[/QUOTE]Is your GV# attached to your real Gmail account? If so this site can def pull your info with just your GV#.

[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/[/URL]#.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5259971]Why not get a real one? You don't have to give your real name, you can give your sugar name, and that is right there on the page. It does cost a bit, like 200. I use stdcheck. You can pay with a prepaid debit card, show up at a local place to get blood drawn, and that's it. Get your results by email, you can print it.[/QUOTE]Good call. Just got one under my sugar pseudonym. Too easy, thanks.

[QUOTE=FreeSpirit2763;5260168]She has been around for awhile. I sent her a couple of messages with zero response.[/QUOTE]Terminal case of GPS.

[QUOTE=KevinCalormis;5259563]I saw Miranda recently and had a decent time until the end. She showed up right at the FC, started blowing me pretty quickly and then hopped on for some bareback. After changing positions a few times I finished inside her. Nice body, a little larger than most asians. Honestly her nipples are huge, I couldn't decide if I like them. She isn't a very enthusiastic lay, sort of a dead fish. Ok girl, honestly I can't complain anytime I creampie a 19 yo but she definitely wasn't a repeat at the agreed upon price.

I should have looked up reviews on her because I would have avoided some trouble. When it came time to part ways she demanded twice what we agreed upon and was very belligerent about it. Judging from the other review of her on USASG that is her MO.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e74c800d-005a-470d-9144-ab81b7ae26ce[/URL][/QUOTE]I met up with her a while back. Thought she gave great head, but yes, she's nuts. This is her legit sister so I've stayed away from her too. Not sure if anyone has had any experience though.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/930effa5-0f53-4d72-afbc-d378bd797333[/URL]

[QUOTE=WaterBoi;5265686]I met up with her a while back. Thought she gave great head, but yes, she's nuts. This is her legit sister so I've stayed away from her too. Not sure if anyone has had any experience though.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/930effa5-0f53-4d72-afbc-d378bd797333[/URL][/QUOTE]The sister has been reviewed and I read that she was DTF but she tells me that she is not looking for intimacy.

[QUOTE=FanRat;5266105]The sister has been reviewed and I read that she was DTF but she tells me that she is not looking for intimacy.[/QUOTE]Shannon is not her sister, just a roommate. They initially offered me a threesome when they realized both were talking to me but it became obvious only Miranda was comfortable with it. The roommate, Shannon told me she been intimate with SDs previously but is no longer comfortable with intimacy and looking for platonic.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5264400]Is your GV# attached to your real Gmail account? If so this site can def pull your info with just your GV#.

[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/[/URL]#.[/QUOTE]*Of course* not. I have a totally separate sugar life, absolutely nothing in my real life is connected. One thing. Google is the service provider for my work. Everything - email, web hosting, etc. I am aware that there might be cross-platform recognition. I do use a VPN for almost all of these transactions, to put me someplace other than where I actually am. IK that google and other sites can pattern match and do other things (MAC address) to identify users. But look. Google's point isn't to try to out me to my SO for nailing a SB. The key thing is to keep my IRL name etc. Out of the hands of a baby.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5264400]Is your GV# attached to your real Gmail account? If so this site can def pull your info with just your GV#.

[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/[/URL]#.[/QUOTE]My GV# is attached to my real email address. Yes I know very stupid but I got this GV# many years ago and didn't know better. But I am familiar with the website and I just tried to look up my GV# and it didn't show up anything.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;5264400]Is your GV# attached to your real Gmail account? If so this site can def pull your info with just your GV#.

[URL]https://www.truepeoplesearch.com/[/URL]#.[/QUOTE]That's not correct, at least for the GV attached to my Gmail. But I agree GV attached to your real gmail isn't the right way to go. I don't use my GV attached to my real gmail for sugaring or anything else sketchy because it's too close for comfort.