"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5199080]I agree with this. What I don't understand is how they can ban people with no explanation and no refund. I can see not wanting to give explanations to help people learn how to avoid a ban in the future, but they should at least refund the balance of their unused membership.

How can any business take your money for a service, refuse to provide that service and keep the money? So unethical and makes them liable for a class action suit, if someone had thr guts to go public with it.[/QUOTE]You are going to have a long wait on that lawsuit and there are many circumstances where rule breaking (even if it's only in the opinion of the business) means you lose your money. Have you ever been kicked out of a hotel for being too loud? Even if you've only been there an hour, your money is GONE. If you accepted the user agreement by joining and paying, that money is never coming back.

These are fun. I always say "I checked out your wish list" and rattle off a few items of note.

"How impressed are you?

They usually don't get the joke.

Strikes me as a stripper. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d4d240b9-c386-4080-ba21-5dad1741d3cf[/URL].

Worried she doesn't show the body. Chubby face - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b9d14231-3150-457d-82d5-21ae1c12099f[/URL].

Looks best in profile shot. Surprised her private pics don't show off her legs — [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/b1545b85-7e02-45e4-adf5-3ae635584d73.[/URL] Single mom with sole custody so only nights and weekends when she can get a sitter.

Love her look, but not very responsive - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/fc6f91a4-5709-4e86-ba0c-4f6c8919ec4b[/URL].

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5199986]I am also skeptical of this. I have frequented these boards for several years, I have heard sour grapes of this ilk, but no real evidence. There are plenty enough of people making profiles on their own, for their own benefit. Personally, I always keep my profile hidden from search, this prevents a scammer from contacting me, but if I go to a girls' page, she can see my profile. This cuts way down on random contacts from other continents.[/QUOTE]Let your membership lapse and see how many messages and visits you suddenly get.

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;5203813]Let your membership lapse and see how many messages and visits you suddenly get.[/QUOTE]Well, I disagree. We're both veterans (here at least), our experiences couldn't be more different. I have been on SA for 3+ years, I have two profiles that have been on there for that time. I keep them because I think they are 'validated' from SA's perspective, I don't have to worry about getting banned (I am also super careful about what I say to girls on there). There are lots of people running into big problems with getting banned, it is a real pain to recover from that (changing essentially everything one does for their sugar identity).

Perhaps I am left alone also because I don't look like a gullible newbie. I deactivate my profiles when I am not paid up, just so I don't get a bunch of contacts I can't do anything with, and at all times, I keep my profiles hidden from search. This prevents the overseas picture sellers or girls looking for green cards from even knowing I exist. If I go to a girls page, based on my local search, they can see my profile, however.

[QUOTE=Grafenberg;5203813]Let your membership lapse and see how many messages and visits you suddenly get.[/QUOTE]Created a profile on SA randomly and the amount of traffic I was getting to my profile was shocking. I usually do decent on dating apps, but I was getting visited or messaged by multiple women interested throughout the day. Was about to message one I was interested in too and saw that you need a membership to do so and the costs of it. It was the most bummed I have been in a while, because they were all attractive compared to what you might see in the ads. I do okay for myself, but man 99 dollars a month for membership is wild to me.

[QUOTE=Truth777;5205567]Created a profile on SA randomly and the amount of traffic I was getting to my profile was shocking. I usually do decent on dating apps, but I was getting visited or messaged by multiple women interested throughout the day. Was about to message one I was interested in too and saw that you need a membership to do so and the costs of it. It was the most bummed I have been in a while, because they were all attractive compared to what you might see in the ads. I do okay for myself, but man 99 dollars a month for membership is wild to me.[/QUOTE]I said same while back. I use several dating apps tinder BLK etc and I probably get just as much out of it as I would with SA. I have hooked up with 4 so far 3 with BLK one with tinder. Being a older white guy on BLK has made me stand out and they know exactly what I'm looking for and they are usually straight up about what they want. It's worked for me and it's free LOL. Be safe.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5206481]I said same while back. I use several dating apps tinder BLK etc and I probably get just as much out of it as I would with SA. I have hooked up with 4 so far 3 with BLK one with tinder. Being a older white guy on BLK has made me stand out and they know exactly what I'm looking for and they are usually straight up about what they want. It's worked for me and it's free LOL. Be safe.[/QUOTE]Always good replies from you man. I haven't tried Tinder for whatever reason, but better late than never. Heard of BLK, but haven't used it. Going to have to give that a try as well. I've mostly been on POF, Okcupid, and Badoo and have had some success. With all the black women you review I just assumed you were an older black guy. Little did I know you were just a man with diverse taste. Good to see LOL be safe man.

Also interesting, I have seen some of the escorts who post ads on these apps looking for serious relationships and I just think to myself wait we literally just had a session recently LOL. Anyway, for anyone else reading be on the lookout some of these women on there are very willing to be a consistent UTR. Go on the apps at odd hours of the night usually those girls are freaky. At least that's what I have noticed.

[QUOTE=Truth777;5207131]Always good replies from you man. I haven't tried Tinder for whatever reason, but better late than never. Heard of BLK, but haven't used it. Going to have to give that a try as well. I've mostly been on POF, Okcupid, and Badoo and have had some success. With all the black women you review I just assumed you were an older black guy. Little did I know you were just a man with diverse taste. Good to see LOL be safe man.

Also interesting, I have seen some of the escorts who post ads on these apps looking for serious relationships and I just think to myself wait we literally just had a session recently LOL. Anyway, for anyone else reading be on the lookout some of these women on there are very willing to be a consistent UTR. Go on the apps at odd hours of the night usually those girls are freaky. At least that's what I have noticed.[/QUOTE]LOL too funny. Nope I'm a middle age white guy who pretty much exclusively sees more exotic type of women. Latinas Black Colombian anything that has little more tint. Now I have seen couple of white providers but they have to be dimes. Just my thing. I've also seen the ones you talking about posting on stg and BLK or tinder. I've hit couple of them up never got response. Be safe.

So I usually search images of the girls to see what I am dealing with or IF the pics are fake. All as normal due diligence.

But of recent this has been abysmal so wondering what others are doing? When I find an advert / post I right click on pic and copy image location and then past that url into the box on the search places.

I use Google Images and get the most hits. Because I use tor browser I am often having to do the captcha thing. Of recent have noticed I don't always get result from the link and with some websites I get an error. Image is too large. Interestingly, when I save one of the "too big" pictures and then upload it to GI search, THEN I get results.

Also use Tineye, but that is universally useless and almost never get any hits or get an error. Oops, Something went wrong. Please try your search again.

I see that Bing has an image search too but it's pretty much useless as well.

So what am I missing? IS there some other way t search and get results?

Google doesn't seem to do very well. Have gotten zippty results only to find everyone of the woman's profile pics is on her social media once I find her true identity elsewhere (Linked in Premium is a gold mine for its search function for professional gals, and some college students. Employer, college will get you 75% of the way they're).

No I've never been kicked out or a hotel for making too much noise, but even the hotel would tell me that why I was being kicked out. They wouldn't evict with without a stated cause.

The TOS could be overcome. The biggest issue is it would not be a popular suit and no one wants to be the face of the suit.

[QUOTE=Tidad;5200724]You are going to have a long wait on that lawsuit and there are many circumstances where rule breaking (even if it's only in the opinion of the business) means you lose your money. Have you ever been kicked out of a hotel for being too loud? Even if you've only been there an hour, your money is GONE. If you accepted the user agreement by joining and paying, that money is never coming back.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5208669]Google doesn't seem to do very well. Have gotten zippty results only to find everyone of the woman's profile pics is on her social media once I find her true identity elsewhere (Linked in Premium is a gold mine for its search function for professional gals, and some college students. Employer, college will get you 75% of the way they're).[/QUOTE]Well, FB profiles aren't indexed by google (not sure about other SM, but probably so), so it makes sense you wouldn't find a photo that a POT is using both on SM and SA.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5199080]I agree with this. What I don't understand is how they can ban people with no explanation and no refund. I can see not wanting to give explanations to help people learn how to avoid a ban in the future, but they should at least refund the balance of their unused membership.

How can any business take your money for a service, refuse to provide that service and keep the money? So unethical and makes them liable for a class action suit, if someone had thr guts to go public with it.[/QUOTE]They provide an explanation. It's in their Terms of Service (TOS).

"W8 Tech may terminate Your Membership for any reason, with or without notice. If W8 Tech terminates Your Membership, You will not be entitled to any refund of unused subscription fees or unused credits. If Your Membership is terminated for any reason, all terms of this Agreement survive such termination, and continue in full force and effect, except any terms that by their nature expire or are fully satisfied. ".

If you think that there would be a long parade of men SA customers who want to put their name on a class action or other litigation -- um. . . "I don't think so. ".

I downloaded a free app called ImageSearch. It uses Google Bing Yandex Baidu and TinEye. Works well for me.

[QUOTE=Shampoo55;5207592]So I usually search images of the girls to see what I am dealing with or IF the pics are fake. All as normal due diligence.

But of recent this has been abysmal so wondering what others are doing? When I find an advert / post I right click on pic and copy image location and then past that url into the box on the search places.

I use Google Images and get the most hits. Because I use tor browser I am often having to do the captcha thing. Of recent have noticed I don't always get result from the link and with some websites I get an error. Image is too large. Interestingly, when I save one of the "too big" pictures and then upload it to GI search, THEN I get results.

Also use Tineye, but that is universally useless and almost never get any hits or get an error. Oops, Something went wrong. Please try your search again.

I see that Bing has an image search too but it's pretty much useless as well.

So what am I missing? IS there some other way t search and get results?[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know if Secrete Benefits accepts Vanilla Visa Pre paid credit card.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5218591]Does anyone know if Secrete Benefits accepts Vanilla Visa Pre paid credit card.[/QUOTE]I got on SecretBenefits thinking that the ability to message a POT forever is better than being able to message them only for the duration of the SA membership. It did not work out at all. Even though on SB POTs did respond and quite a few even gave their phone nos. And texted nothing came out of it. So with the lowest tier of 200 credits I messaged 20 POTs with 0 hits!

Even though the lowest tier on SA is $10 more than SB I got a few hits after just a couple of weeks and sometimes you get coupons for discounts on SA such as 25% for Valentine's Day.

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;5218625]I got on SecretBenefits thinking that the ability to message a POT forever is better than being able to message them only for the duration of the SA membership. It did not work out at all. Even though on SB POTs did respond and quite a few even gave their phone nos. And texted nothing came out of it. So with the lowest tier of 200 credits I messaged 20 POTs with 0 hits!

Even though the lowest tier on SA is $10 more than SB I got a few hits after just a couple of weeks and sometimes you get coupons for discounts on SA such as 25% for Valentine's Day.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. However, now Seeking is charging 100 for a 30 day membership. That is bullshit. You know that will go up again. Everything is going up. Websites, AMPs, blowjobs. Is there going to be an end?

SA charging 100 for 30 day membership. It was 90 just last year. Before that it was something like 80.

A good and long blowjob you could get for an easy 50, at most. And I mean from good providers like Winter who didn't put any time limits. Now some of this bitches are charging 100 for QV.

Now AMPs are charging 50 for 30 min. Not so long ago a 30 min would be 30. Now it's 40 and now it's up at 50. The Massage are getting worse, the women are uglier. What the hell is going on. We cannot let this be the new normal.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5219364]I totally agree. However, now Seeking is charging 100 for a 30 day membership. That is bullshit. You know that will go up again. Everything is going up. Websites, AMPs, blowjobs. Is there going to be an end?

SA charging 100 for 30 day membership. It was 90 just last year. Before that it was something like 80.

A good and long blowjob you could get for an easy 50, at most. And I mean from good providers like Winter who didn't put any time limits. Now some of this bitches are charging 100 for QV.

Now AMPs are charging 50 for 30 min. Not so long ago a 30 min would be 30. Now it's 40 and now it's up at 50. The Massage are getting worse, the women are uglier. What the hell is going on. We cannot let this be the new normal.[/QUOTE]My BMW was expensive, but I like how they drive. If you want quality you have to pay. Seriously, the cost of SA is in the noise for what we're doing w / SBs. It's one hotel room for one FC. If you have any game at all, after a month on SA, you will likely have met at least a few POTs, perhaps taken them to the FC, and have a long list of phone #s you can text with for the next few months. I only pay for a membership a month at a time, and perhaps once or twice a year. I like to browse at other times, putting profiles into my deep freeze to thaw out later.

So, in my view, this is why we are in the bowl. This was long ago and far far away from Richmond, so no need to be asking for her phone #. This was a 19 YO college student I met from SA. Just trying to make ends meet, take care of a little sister, and have some fun. Very sweet and nice. This absolutely smoking body. We met up one morning in a hotel room I had checked into the night before (I am dodging my SO). She was 45 min late, of course. She had an appointment she needed to get to, of course. Not having all the time I wanted, well, that just happens sometime. The allowance? IDK specifically, it was likely 300, just b / c that was my standard back then. She was there for that of course, but she also was very fascinated by the allure / kink of an older married guy. (I am 3 x her age). Unlike your average hooker, she didn't have a menu and I am 100% sure that I wasn't the 4th guy she'd been with that day. She wasn't making a living on the 'stroll', and I haven't seen her on SA (I keep up with it intermittently) in several years. I got in touch a few years back, she said she'd moved to northern California.

The experience w / her? Top notch. I love to eat young girls like her, you can see her peach in this photo. It was that plump and juicy. She came in about 5 minutes, and then was (sadly) too sensitive for me to keep going. We hopped into bed, she had just the most incredibly soft and smooth skin. You can't see her tits too well in this photo, but they were lovely and firm. A round robin of positions, she was no virgin of course but she'd never had someone put her ankles on his shoulders for deeper penetration, that was a highlight for her. I mean, what more can you ask than totally spontaneous, mutually enjoyable fucking with someone like this for an hour plus?! Maybe guys are getting that from escorts, but I'd be surprised there is access to someone this young and cute in that pool of girls.

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;5219364]I totally agree. However, now Seeking is charging 100 for a 30 day membership. That is bullshit. You know that will go up again. Everything is going up. ....
[/QUOTE]Not trying to cause trouble, but I think the price is about right. First of all, it is negligible compared to what you will be giving the girl if you are going to be her sugar daddy. Second, it helps keep out the riff raff. From the conversations I've had with girls, there is still plenty of riff raff -- guys who are cheap, rude, aggressive, focused on specific sex acts, trying to get it for free, etc. My present SB was about to quit the site when she met me. And I'm NOT saying you are one of them -- of course I don't know. Aren't there sites where guys can find girls for free? I don't know anything about those, but I'm thinking about Tinder, POF, Snapchat, etc?

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5219979]My BMW was expensive, but I like how they drive. If you want quality you have to pay. Seriously, the cost of SA is in the noise for what we're doing w / SBs. It's one hotel room for one FC. If you have any game at all, after a month on SA, you will likely have met at least a few POTs, perhaps taken them to the FC, and have a long list of phone #s you can text with for the next few months. I only pay for a membership a month at a time, and perhaps once or twice a year. I like to browse at other times, putting profiles into my deep freeze to thaw out later.[/QUOTE]I completely agree with you Far. I am more than willing to pay more for good quality. But that is the operative word, Quality. I don't see quality at the AMPs and in my opinion the quality has gotten worse. Granted it was never good to begin with but the women seem to be getting older, less attractive and the even the massage is getting worse. I've had AMP quality in San Francisco and by far no competition. They are porn star quality. Those places you'll end up paying 300 for FS and I have no problem paying that for good looking hot babes. My biggest concern is that the prices are going up and there has been no change in service, attitude, looks. The good ones are very few and far between. That's all.

[QUOTE=Snake27;5221023]Not trying to cause trouble, but I think the price is about right. First of all, it is negligible compared to what you will be giving the girl if you are going to be her sugar daddy. Second, it helps keep out the riff raff. From the conversations I've had with girls, there is still plenty of riff raff -- guys who are cheap, rude, aggressive, focused on specific sex acts, trying to get it for free, etc. My present SB was about to quit the site when she met me. And I'm NOT saying you are one of them -- of course I don't know. Aren't there sites where guys can find girls for free? I don't know anything about those, but I'm thinking about Tinder, POF, Snapchat, etc?[/QUOTE]Hey Snake, no worries I always like hearing what others have to say. I have had good luck with SA. I've even gone as far as getting free pussy. But admittedly it's been a while LOL. I even talk to one SB now that has been over two years. I usually get on SA one month at a time and maybe twice or three times a years. I feel like I am attractive, good shape and decent game That is how I get it for free some times. When I get on SA I collect a ton of phone numbers but many of them turn out to be flakes or not what I am looking for. I think many of them have been put off by the jerks out there. I've been spoiled and I've gotten the true SB. Someone who isn't in it for the money, completely LOL. I do agree with you Snake that I feel for women on that site because they do have to confront a lot of A $$holes. I don't know why guys can't be respectful. Those aholes ruin it for the rest of us. I also wish that 100 was enough to keep the riff raff out but when a guy is horny they will still pay for just at the chance to be a dick. But my bigges complain is that everything is going up but the quality, quantity or even the odds are getting worse. More so in the AMP world. For example, I can't believe how many of these women are using sites like SA to promote their OF account. Great. But again, that is my opinion and how I see things. Love hearing what others have to say.

Hey, TheHobbyLobby. We're cool. I have no problems with guys getting it for free, I was just noting some things girls have told me (a lot). But we all know the secret life of women. They say one thing and do another (like fuck guys on SA for free). I also think that guys wouldn't try some things unless it worked at some level, and this includes the rude aggressive approach, which goes against my nature but it probably works with some women. I still think the price of joining SA is a useful filter, but that's just my opinion. Finally, I speculate that COVID-19 has a lot to do with the down turn in quality. Smaller talent pool as people are scared off.

MILF / GND -- seems a lot of fun, but can't get to specifics. She is new and overwhelmed -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/663b9c25-8491-4c4c-b25b-cc1feba2efb9[/URL].

Super cute, smoking bod, says she has done this before. Car not reliable, so expecting a $ ask before first meeting -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a15ab0eb-1ffb-4706-b463-420896092c6f[/URL].

Can't seem to get far with this one - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/35d590a7-d808-42bd-a27a-9a50827fb252[/URL].

[QUOTE=Snake27;5221245]Hey, TheHobbyLobby. We're cool. I have no problems with guys getting it for free, I was just noting some things girls have told me (a lot). But we all know the secret life of women. They say one thing and do another (like fuck guys on SA for free). I also think that guys wouldn't try some things unless it worked at some level, and this includes the rude aggressive approach, which goes against my nature but it probably works with some women. I still think the price of joining SA is a useful filter, but that's just my opinion. Finally, I speculate that COVID-19 has a lot to do with the down turn in quality. Smaller talent pool as people are scared off.[/QUOTE]I've been reading some of why'alls posts I'm going to weigh in on my take, advice and one of my experiences. First; maybe paying the price to join SA, WYP or SBFM and other Civvy sites is a YMMV cost vs time pursuing thing.

How you pay to access those sites (vanilla card. Ect) to figure out how to hide your expenses from the SO is your deal. Good luck with that. I'm SO less so I don't know that angle. If a SO is in your life watch closely what ya doing; pretty much track your bank account finances (cash is king to get those cards) and don't get "secret" bank account and or "secret" credit cards because those will show our on your credit report and will divulge your finances. Duh.

I basically look at those web sites as a dating option; I don't even get into the allowances at first, start off as being genuine, offer the fun SD experience, (wine, dine, shopping. Ect) and hopefully that will get ya lots a trips to the FC. It's worked for me half dozen times.. And I'm not talking getting it free. For instance; my favorite challenge is the GPS ones, you usually can tell if they are a want to be pro or not. I did hook up with the Baroness (YMMV $$ PRO) from SBFM and one non-pro from SA at the time and now on Tryst I recommend, she's top shelf sweetheart $$.

Anyway. I connected with this very non-pro GPS, looks a 11 out of 10 27 yo type chick from SA / WYP, we went back and forth for about a week or so; eventually she agreed to a M&G at TC in the Slip without her entry fee $$$ with the understanding she could punch out and anytime If she didn't feel comfortable or as she put a waste of time. Cocktails at the bar 7 pm and dinner res at 8 pm. I did my diligence called ahead to a few of the Slip hotels to see if there were any rooms available, yes there were. When I got there, I parked my car in the hotel deck. She shows up on time with a friend at the bar. Aughhhh, I'm thinking oh well two GPS's wanting free cocktails. Eventually her friend gives me the seal of approval and says to text for a pick her up when we are done with dinner. Dinner was awesome great conversation; she ordered a bottle of Silver Oak with dinner. Thinking to myself Yep GPS. Towards the end dinner I told her I was to buzzed to drive home and I going to see if the there was a room available across the street; did she want to join me? She Asked me what are we going to do, I told her watch SNL? She said yeh right. Made the call confirm if a room was available. She flags the waitress to bring the check and a bottle of Cake Bread Chardonnay.. Tells me we are taking with us.

We checked in as Mr and Mrs at her recommendation; wine bottle hanging out of her pocket book; no luggage; she says we got a baby sitter, then she calls her friend don't worry picking her up we are in room # she will call in in the morning to check in, poor guy behind the desk was like WTF. From the time we got to the room it was uninhibited fun until we check out in the morning.

So the conclusion: time spent trying to connect to a GPS non-pro; cocktails, dinner, wine $370.00, room $125.00, figuring out that had non rushed fun and saved about $1000.00 plus not engaging with an escort for an overnight. Priceless. Go figure. Not missing the point, was it free?

SA is $99 a month now? I haven't been on in about 6 months. Last account got shut down. I was going to set up a new one until I saw the price. Anyone have a discount code?

Thanks and be safe!

Hello Gents,

Long time USASG member but a month into the Sugarbaby Seeking Arrangements game. A rookie for sure.

In reading the LA SB section apparently, Richmond is the holy grail for advice haha, so coming to the source. Met a few girls already in the 1 month, all fun times.

Random questions not sure if anyone knows the answer. Met a SB last Saturday night, had a bottle of wine at the beach, got a BBBJCIM cute 20 yr old. Got some food after, all good. Have not talked to her since but when I look at her profile shows her last log in Feb 22nd. Does that mean if you can't see their last log-in date change, they blocked you? Or simply she's not been online all week.

Other question, I posted a few pictures in my profile with me and past girls I dated in other countries. Just figured that would disarm them even more if pics with cute girls, a bad idea? Anyone else has that? Maybe I'll delete them.

The last question is one I get the most, "what are you looking for"? I usually say a girl to meet up with to see if we vibe / connect and if so, someone to take on day trip adventures, spoil and make her life a little easier. Curious if you guys can share any better comebacks for the main question most of them always ask. Then comes the PPM talk, etc. I tell them I won't discuss money until we meet, but I'm open to new advice. Definitely takes time to weed through the scams and pros, and also taking it to text and talking, etc. Definitely I agree in all the posts I've seen here where you guys say it takes some work. I had a few girls flake really good. They call, talk on the phone, sound hot, nice pics, agree to meet in a day or two, then boom, silence LOL!! The crazy world this bowl.

Any advice for a rookie is appreciated.

Stay safe.

AD.

Veteran on this site, but new to the Sugar Scene and the below is great advice. I had a girl tell me she wanted $750 for gas to meet me (mind you, she lives 5 miles away) I told her what the hell are you driving a 53 ft truck? Of course, I said good luck with that.

I know they can report you for talking ish so I been biting my tongue and just using the block feature on the pros and sharks.

I already got suspsended for copy / pasting too many fishing lines in one day LOL. I had to email to let them know it was me, not spam and they unlocked me. Haha.

Stay safe.

AD.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4666620]When I first got in to the bowl maybe 5 years ago I paid 2 girls for M&G and never saw either of them after. I do pay for the coffee or lunch or whatever but I don't pay the SB for them anymore. When asked I tell the girl that to me, the M&G is like an interview and that if they were to be offered an interview for a job and they asked for a paycheck 1st they wouldn't get the interview. I have told this to maybe 5 girls and 4 of them just said ok and that was that. One dropped the request, met me for coffee and we went to the FC straight from there.

I also never pay for pics and vids. Those don't really turn me on anyway but a lot of the girls claim they want to do that for a while first but promise to meet later. I just feel like they have no intention of meeting so I move on.

The good is that there are tons of SBs now so its easy to just move on when you come across a girl who wants $ for the M&G or just wants to send pics. The bad is that there are guys out there who do those things so some girls think it is the norm.

Have fun and be safe![/QUOTE]

Has anyone met her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/3145d27d-cd59-45d7-9498-fee61b8f60bb[/URL]

She sounds likes she is DTF and does this kind of regularly.

Thanks!

When this appeared, it seemed an obvious way to extract more moolah from us SDs. I have found some use for it, in revealing more about a POT. I've seen some profiles with 100 items. That's pretty obviously golden pussy syndrome. Likewise those that include lotsa expensive jewelry, etc. I have seen some that are just flowers and chocolates. These are likely girls who are sincerely looking for an ongoing relationship that doesn't feel like a transaction / make them feel like a hooker. I came across some recently that were exclusively sex toys. I even commented on that in my messaging to the girl. Of course, it's well known that a lot of girls on the site are submissive, not all of them come out and say that in their profiles, but if their wish list includes handcuffs, blindfolds, paddles, etc. Well heck, tap into that when you message her.

Another thing. If I have looked at a girl's wish list, when she changes it, I get an email from SA. I don't really care, but I was told by a girl that every time I view her wish list, she gets an email notification (this was the one w / just 4 sex toys. She asked me to stop teasing her). I like to try to use things on the site as signals to a girl. For example, I don't reveal my hidden photos on a first message. If she has read that message and not responded, I can 'put' something new in her inbox from me by opening my pictures. I specifically like to message a girl while she is online. I think this has a greater chance of getting her attention. Some of these girls are getting literally hundreds of messages per day, it is easy for them to forget about one, even if they liked it. Anyway, look at the gift list if you want to remind her without being a pest. I'd bet UTR escorts never bother to make a wish list.

Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5235834]When this appeared, it seemed an obvious way to extract more moolah from us SDs. I have found some use for it, in revealing more about a POT. I've seen some profiles with 100 items. That's pretty obviously golden pussy syndrome. Likewise those that include lotsa expensive jewelry, etc. I have seen some that are just flowers and chocolates. These are likely girls who are sincerely looking for an ongoing relationship that doesn't feel like a transaction / make them feel like a hooker. I came across some recently that were exclusively sex toys. I even commented on that in my messaging to the girl. Of course, it's well known that a lot of girls on the site are submissive, not all of them come out and say that in their profiles, but if their wish list includes handcuffs, blindfolds, paddles, etc. Well heck, tap into that when you message her.

Another thing. If I have looked at a girl's wish list, when she changes it, I get an email from SA. I don't really care, but I was told by a girl that every time I view her wish list, she gets an email notification (this was the one w / just 4 sex toys. She asked me to stop teasing her). I like to try to use things on the site as signals to a girl. For example, I don't reveal my hidden photos on a first message. If she has read that message and not responded, I can 'put' something new in her inbox from me by opening my pictures. I specifically like to message a girl while she is online. I think this has a greater chance of getting her attention. Some of these girls are getting literally hundreds of messages per day, it is easy for them to forget about one, even if they liked it. Anyway, look at the gift list if you want to remind her without being a pest. I'd bet UTR escorts never bother to make a wish list.

Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.[/QUOTE]Great insight brother and some things I've never thought. Appreciated stay safe.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5235834]Of course, I am sure all the items are highly marked up, even if I wanted to get a girl something on her list, I'd go myself and get it from a discount web vendor.[/QUOTE]A) If I am going the "showcase showdown of cash and prizes" route vs. All $$ allowance, I always tell them to make a wish list on Amazon.

B) You can always find creative ways to leverage non-cash allowances. Someone new to town -- have them fill a shopping cart on Bed Bath and Beyond for their new place. I have their membership, so I get 20% off.

C) Tech and related items can be bought at STaples or best buy -- put it on the company credit card and it looks like office purchases (they joys of being self employed).

Curious if anyone would be willing to share what if any changes in how they meet and relate to SB's in the covid world vs pre-2020? Also, whether vaccination has or would change that?

(I ask because I've been in "hibernation" for the better part of a year, but eventually the bear gets so hungry he has to come out of the cave. Thanks.).

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;5239065]Curious if anyone would be willing to share what if any changes in how they meet and relate to SB's in the covid world vs pre-2020? Also, whether vaccination has or would change that?

(I ask because I've been in "hibernation" for the better part of a year, but eventually the bear gets so hungry he has to come out of the cave. Thanks.).[/QUOTE]Yeah, I had an active membership right when it began, I pursued with a couple of POTs I had at that time. There was a lot of checking each other out and preamble to be sure that each was OK. I felt both were taking the max precautions, and even though I have a SO at home (it would be hell if I got it / passed it on), I was willing to risk it. One I got to the FC twice. Tall slender Romanian doctor, 27 YO, big bolt-ons, puss too tight for me, too much fake moaning, a little too transactional, so I quite responding to her texts. A paralegal working from home stood me up on the way to the FC.

I just got a paid membership for this month, I had a M&G with a 10/10/10 this morning. Tall aesthetic nurse assistant, big bolt-ons and enhanced lips. She turned down 2 K / mo, my absolute limit. I just can't afford a Rolls Royce.

I have many other POTs on the line. I am checking in with every single one about their virus status. It is good there are a lot of nurses on the site, that is getting many of them vaccinated. I have run into a few who both had COVID and have gotten vaccinated. A few others are essential workers so got vaccinated. Those who tell me just that they are limiting their contacts and wearing their masks, I put into lower priority. However, if the case rates in my area (California) continue to drop, that won't be so much of a worry.

I am lucky enough to have gotten both vaccination shots (Moderna) so I am pretty good to go, however, I believe it is still possible I could become infected and that I could transmit the virus. My SO isn't yet vaccinated, so there is a risk. If the POT has also had the vaccine, though, I will consider that a green light, and will happily take them to the FC with masks off, no other precautions needed.

[QUOTE=BobLobLa;5239049]A) If I am going the "showcase showdown of cash and prizes" route vs. All $$ allowance, I always tell them to make a wish list on Amazon.

B) You can always find creative ways to leverage non-cash allowances. Someone new to town -- have them fill a shopping cart on Bed Bath and Beyond for their new place. I have their membership, so I get 20% off.

C) Tech and related items can be bought at STaples or best buy -- put it on the company credit card and it looks like office purchases (they joys of being self employed).[/QUOTE]Not only self-employed, but sans SO I'd guess. I'd have a lot more flexibility if I didn't have to worry about electronic records of my purchases.

BTW, one other thing about the wish list I just thought to specifically mention. Some of you (not me) are interested in getting your SB to open all portals. When I see a girl who has several butt plugs, bunny tails, etc. On her wish list, that is a good indication she's receptive to the back door.

[QUOTE=BlueEyedMan58;5239065]Curious if anyone would be willing to share what if any changes in how they meet and relate to SB's in the covid world vs pre-2020? Also, whether vaccination has or would change that?

(I ask because I've been in "hibernation" for the better part of a year, but eventually the bear gets so hungry he has to come out of the cave. Thanks.).[/QUOTE]Turns out, not much changed for me. Risky, I know, but it's turned out OK. Takes more work to find a SB or two, but that's always part of the game. Last time I was on SA, I found 2 SBs in Oct who I see 1-2 x a month still. In Jan, someone I texted with a year ago got back in touch, and I can call her when I want. But, it might be time for a change and I'm thinking of getting back on SA for a new subscription. P.S., I'm vaccinated now.

Wonder what BS excuse girls will use now. When most of us get vaccinated. Getting my 2nd shot in 2 weeks.

I had no problems meeting up with at less 2 new girls a month in all of 2020. Just wish there were more college girls out there.

[QUOTE=LikItFun;5239816]Turns out, not much changed for me. Risky, I know, but it's turned out OK. Takes more work to find a SB or two, but that's always part of the game. Last time I was on SA, I found 2 SBs in Oct who I see 1-2 x a month still. In Jan, someone I texted with a year ago got back in touch, and I can call her when I want. But, it might be time for a change and I'm thinking of getting back on SA for a new subscription. P.S., I'm vaccinated now.[/QUOTE]

In response to all the "I'm only doing online baby until the pandemic is over " I say don't worry I'm now vaccinated and get tested weekly (I do) so we can meet. Girl today replied, oh well I have Lupus. LOL blocked-.

Hopefully, the online-only lame trend will fade in the months to come.

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5240156]Wonder what BS excuse girls will use now. When most of us get vaccinated. Getting my 2nd shot in 2 weeks.

I had no problems meeting up with at less 2 new girls a month in all of 2020. Just wish there were more college girls out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5239561]Yeah, I had an active membership right when it began, I pursued with a couple of POTs I had at that time. There was a lot of checking each other out and preamble to be sure that each was OK. I felt both were taking the max precautions, and even though I have a SO at home (it would be hell if I got it / passed it on), I was willing to risk it. One I got to the FC twice. Tall slender Romanian doctor, 27 YO, big bolt-ons, puss too tight for me, too much fake moaning, a little too transactional, so I quite responding to her texts. A paralegal working from home stood me up on the way to the FC.

I have many other POTs on the line. I am checking in with every single one about their virus status. It is good there are a lot of nurses on the site, that is getting many of them vaccinated. I have run into a few who both had COVID and have gotten vaccinated. A few others are essential workers so got vaccinated. Those who tell me just that they are limiting their contacts and wearing their masks, I put into lower priority. However, if the case rates in my area (California) continue to drop, that won't be so much of a worry.
[/QUOTE]Not to be that guy, but seriously? These girls lie as if their lives depended on it so I would never trust anything real, such health to one of these girls. A 27 yo doctor with bolt-ons? Please. You do understand that at 27 she'd be starting her residency and have no time to hang on SA or meet SD's. It's more likely she's a hooker with a cover story.