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[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5184727]I ran the pics through [URL]Tineye.com[/URL] and came up with nothing.[/QUOTE]Well if she gave me the address I would scope it out and see what ya think. She's hot if she is reasonable and DTF I would take a chance just be careful brother. It looks fishy.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5184654]I got a text recently from a young lady. She said we met on SA and her name is Mary. She gave me a south side address. Does anyone recognize her?[/QUOTE]I have never seen her on SA.
I got the same text, thought I had just forgotten her. Told me she lived on Bainbridge which is southside. Next day, try to meet and I get the I need money for gas routine. So Scam all the way.
[QUOTE=GeechieDan;5184654]I got a text recently from a young lady. She said we met on SA and her name is Mary. She gave me a south side address. Does anyone recognize her?[/QUOTE]
This girl is stunning. TGTBT?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d4f2e577-12c1-42af-8f71-24e1d54db19b[/URL]
[QUOTE=DickLongwood;5185122]This girl is stunning. TGTBT?
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d4f2e577-12c1-42af-8f71-24e1d54db19b[/URL][/QUOTE]Definitely TGTBT Pics are too professional.
I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?
[QUOTE=TennisStud90;5185496]I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?[/QUOTE]Welcome to SA.
[QUOTE=GolfMan57;5185564]Welcome to SA.[/QUOTE]Is it possible to have success on here? I mean, I'm not even close. I get that it may take hard work but it's frustrating when you don't even get responses.
[QUOTE=TennisStud90;5185574]Is it possible to have success on here? I mean, I'm not even close. I get that it may take hard work but it's frustrating when you don't even get responses.[/QUOTE]It's a numbers game. You have to have a strategy. I screen for certain types and reach out to a bunch knowing that many won't even bother opening, reading or responding. If you reach out to enough, you'll get a certain percentage of opens and then a lower percentage of responses. Then you'll get some to check out your profile and then a lower percentage from that which you can get to text you and discuss next steps. From there, you'll get a few that agree to meet you. Because of the relatively small number that gets to that stage, you have to start off by casting a pretty wide net and may have to go for some that you think are 7-8's instead of the 9-10's. The 9's and 10's get bombarded with messages from every dude on there and can be very selective.
Also, I try to make them laugh with my opener. That seems to go a long way.
Oh, and finally, there are certain words and phrases that you want to avoid as they will make the girls think that you are a scammer. That's a huge issue with the site these days
What Mike77 said. I would add that I've found that about 90% of the girls stay less than two weeks, then disappear (profile is deleted or they become dormant). From discussions with girls and reports here, I think it's because they are mostly scared, not sure they want to be an SB, or had high expectations that were disappointed when they saw what was available. About 5% are hanging around on the site for months or years and have many SDs. These are your pros and semi-pros. The remaining 5% are somewhere in between. I always tried to find one of the shy, scared girls before they disappeared. It is a very inefficient process. I have one now since 9 months. I'm not too enthusiastic about her, but staying with her is easier than hunting for more.
But it's also true that there are all kinds of girls wanting all kinds of things, so any general rule is difficult to formulate. A lot depends on you, too. Some guys report that finding girls on SA is easy for them.
[QUOTE=GolfMan57;5185067]I got the same text, thought I had just forgotten her. Told me she lived on Bainbridge which is southside. Next day, try to meet and I get the I need money for gas routine. So Scam all the way.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.
[QUOTE=Snake27;5185812]What Mike77 said. I would add that I've found that about 90% of the girls stay less than two weeks, then disappear (profile is deleted or they become dormant). From discussions with girls and reports here, I think it's because they are mostly scared, not sure they want to be an SB, or had high expectations that were disappointed when they saw what was available. About 5% are hanging around on the site for months or years and have many SDs. These are your pros and semi-pros. The remaining 5% are somewhere in between. I always tried to find one of the shy, scared girls before they disappeared. It is a very inefficient process. I have one now since 9 months. I'm not too enthusiastic about her, but staying with her is easier than hunting for more.
But it's also true that there are all kinds of girls wanting all kinds of things, so any general rule is difficult to formulate. A lot depends on you, too. Some guys report that finding girls on SA is easy for them.[/QUOTE]I'm in agreement with both Mike77 and Snake27.
There's a wide variety out there. Many girls clearly get disenchanted or downright scared quickly and vanish. Social media paints a certain picture of sugaring and when they get bombarded with 'let's fuck for $150' messages they are put off. I've had a ton of success, both in my home city and when traveling. I used to travel to RVA and met someone any visit I wanted to. Not many I was interested in repeating with, but some.
I'm pretty focused on undergrad or grad students, or young professionals. Students need funds. Young professionals in my city need funds because cost of living is very high. And all of those women are tired of young fuck-guys. So there's a place for an older gent getting these younger women. You need the right approach. But it absolutely works.
Does your username here suggest you are a youngish (30/31 born on 1990), athletic, fit (tennisstud) and successful (stud)?
So many of the girls have had bad experiences with scammers, pick up artists and vanilla wannabe guys with young, good looking and arrogant profiles that many will assume you aren't real and can't afford to be a real SD. You may need to explain how you are able to afford being an SD and why you need to Sugar Date instead of Vanilla Date. Either in your profile or early in your messaging.
If you are young, attractive and successful you will have to prove you are genuine. If you are older, you will need to prove you are not fat, ugly and creepy. Young SDs can be successful if they overcome this hurdle. Older SDs can be successful if we overcome our hurdle.
[QUOTE=TennisStud90;5185496]I have a completed profile page. I have what I think are good pictures and a good bio. I send a friendly and non-aggressive message trying to incorporate something from their profile. I don't blow up their inboxes. I sometimes get a brief responses back but then am ghosted. But most of the time my messages don't even get read. Or they look at my profile and no response. What am I doing wrong here?[/QUOTE]
There's a Reddit sub called "sugar lifestyle". If you haven't done it already, I would STRONGLY suggest checking it out. It's both educational and eye opening and will give you some good hints and tips on what the ladies are looking for.
This one tells me she is active in RVA and national boards -- fairly mercenary about it -- won't leave her house for less than $200 [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6afc4af4-2ef7-45be-a63d-e2d5602fd6e0[/URL].
Smoking pics, not very responsive to messageing - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e4417663-9006-49b7-8277-5c4090c5cf62[/URL].
Says her hubby is on seeking, so she thought she would get in on it - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cf5e69ad-55b6-419d-b81a-29cc2ab7d963[/URL].
Great pics, DTF, not her first rodeo -- verified in real life, bad opsec -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f7b0fa9-cb01-4f50-9222-0e09e96a42b5[/URL].
Looks TGTBT. Not very responsive - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f8760ccc-5158-4be7-af60-c46b90eee925[/URL].
Her profile is gone now, but there was a really busty, pretty redhead built like Jessica Rabbit. She was offering to host at her apartment in town but was cagey about donation. Seemed kind of semi-pro to offer that so early on. If anyone got her digits, would love to share.
[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5189154]Smoking pics, not very responsive to messageing - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/e4417663-9006-49b7-8277-5c4090c5cf62[/URL].
Says her hubby is on seeking, so she thought she would get in on it - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/cf5e69ad-55b6-419d-b81a-29cc2ab7d963[/URL].
Great pics, DTF, not her first rodeo -- verified in real life, bad opsec -- [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/7f7b0fa9-cb01-4f50-9222-0e09e96a42b5[/URL].
Looks TGTBT. Not very responsive - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/f8760ccc-5158-4be7-af60-c46b90eee925[/URL].
Her profile is gone now, but there was a really busty, pretty redhead built like Jessica Rabbit. She was offering to host at her apartment in town but was cagey about donation. Seemed kind of semi-pro to offer that so early on. If anyone got her digits, would love to share.[/QUOTE]So what is the married woman looking for?
I know their rules. I tried to sign up using Vanilla card. New email from hotmail. Firefox I have a VPN and get refused again.
How do they know this??
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks CM.
1. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4794cfb9-9f5a-4eb3-9e11-547969f43fed[/URL] set up time with this one and found a place she came to the place but spooked out because of a damn LEO circling the hotel try to get her to come back but now she blocked me any one has any input please share no discussion of $ from Hamptons.
2. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/73cd0081-3657-4dce-adc5-c031e78a1a6c[/URL] this one is STF settled on allowance bit she needs to drive from 4 hrs away just needs advance notice any one else with any experience feel free to share pics look hottt.
3. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/02ef6df1-880b-4277-aa4b-5b329d873b67[/URL] getting ready to meet with this one will report afterwards.
4. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4df8e044-4144-43ac-be97-a40dd13f7bb0[/URL] any info on this one contacted me so I am hoping she may be DTF.
5. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/4b7318a8-31a6-4977-8044-7f67a53f88be[/URL] chatting with this one hope she is dtf but share any info on this one if you have any.
Stay safe.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5189711]I know their rules. I tried to sign up using Vanilla card. New email from hotmail. Firefox I have a VPN and get refused again.
How do they know this?.[/QUOTE]One vanilla or reloadable vanilla? If its reloadable and you used it before then that is one way.
Other ways are you digital foot print.
In using vpn and firefox I assume you are clearing cookies etc? Vpn should be changing IP. But a persistent cookie could be there, sites will have third party sites write a cookie they will then share. You may also want to try a different browser of device, I doubt seeking is doing so but you can be identified by device characteristics.
In your email, are using a completely new email, as apposed to joebob15 thtryforseeking at outlook (just slightly changing email for new address).
The vpn of plus vanilla could be triggering you to be deemed suspicious. You can refresh your IP by switching networks or cycling your router and forgo Tues. Vpn.
[QUOTE=CandyMan555;5189711]I know their rules. I tried to sign up using Vanilla card. New email from hotmail. Firefox I have a VPN and get refused again.
How do they know this??
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks CM.[/QUOTE]I would use secure browsers like Epic or Tor (if these are working on the site). What about your pix? Ones you have used before? Believe it or not, they can pattern-match you based on the size of your browser window, so change that often. You should also change / spoof the mac address on the device you are using. Or get a new device. Don't go through the same home wi-fi router. If you unplug it and the cable modem, for overnight or a few days, you'll get a new IP address. Or go to a public wifi. And, pretty much, anything you have done in the past that failed, don't ever use it again.
[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/32eca3b1-858c-4bb1-93cb-d144864d6319[/URL]
Wants minimum 500 per meet really hot body but seems way more than what I can do.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5190563]I would use secure browsers like Epic or Tor (if these are working on the site). What about your pix? Ones you have used before? Believe it or not, they can pattern-match you based on the size of your browser window, so change that often. You should also change / spoof the mac address on the device you are using. Or get a new device. Don't go through the same home wi-fi router. If you unplug it and the cable modem, for overnight or a few days, you'll get a new IP address. Or go to a public wifi. And, pretty much, anything you have done in the past that failed, don't ever use it again.[/QUOTE]I would add you need to clean up things before trying again. Get CCLeaner free, and set it up to do at least 3 pass deletion. Set it to wipe out everything.
Then run a deep scan with AVG or Kaspersky and when that is done rerun CCleaner.
They are either matching you up with a file they left on your computer or your "footprint" from various aspects of your computer, OS, Browser, Screen size, etc.
Forcing a new "static" IP to a Comcast router requires it to be off line for 72 hours. Shut it off Thurs night to get back online Monday. You change your MAC address and at some point during a routine audit, the system will find that MAC address doesn't match what is in the "library" and it can shutdown your connection.
Wow! That does not look like 500 material there in my book.
[QUOTE=S2568;5190902][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/32eca3b1-858c-4bb1-93cb-d144864d6319[/URL]
Wants minimum 500 per meet really hot body but seems way more than what I can do.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RappaHannock;5191250]Wow! That does not look like 500 material there in my book.[/QUOTE]Who knew that Covid would have such an effect on the SB stock market. GPS Everywhere.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5190563]I would use secure browsers like Epic or Tor (if these are working on the site). What about your pix? Ones you have used before? Believe it or not, they can pattern-match you based on the size of your browser window, so change that often. You should also change / spoof the mac address on the device you are using. Or get a new device. Don't go through the same home wi-fi router. If you unplug it and the cable modem, for overnight or a few days, you'll get a new IP address. Or go to a public wifi. And, pretty much, anything you have done in the past that failed, don't ever use it again.[/QUOTE]Thanks frustrated by S A.
[QUOTE=GolfMan57;5191561]Who knew that Covid would have such an effect on the SB stock market. GPS Everywhere.[/QUOTE]Sugaring has become so mainstream, and bringing out all kinds who heard from a friend of a friend that it's an easy way to make money. She's probably used to getting a lot of attention from younger guys who are into her alternative look (tattoos, piercings, hair, etc.) But doesn't realize that doesn't translate well to the sugar works where the guys are older and want someone that has more traditional beauty (face, big tits, minimal piercings, natural long hair, etc.). She's new and is probably just fishing for a sucker at this point. I'm guessing that she'll either seek much less after a couple of months of frustration or give up.
Has anyone been able to have their account reinstated? My account was permanently banned today for soliciting sex in return for compensation. I have been extremely careful to say nothing of the sort. There was someone asking for money before meeting in person and I said that's illegal and against the websites's rules. The replied back that prostitution was illegal and I was permanently banned shortly after that. I think they falsely reported me for that and got my account banned. I have contacted support via email and Twitter. Am I permanently screwed?
Just sent you a PM.
[QUOTE=Donwhite;5196828]Has anyone been able to have their account reinstated? My account was permanently banned today for soliciting sex in return for compensation. I have been extremely careful to say nothing of the sort. There was someone asking for money before meeting in person and I said that's illegal and against the websites's rules. The replied back that prostitution was illegal and I was permanently banned shortly after that. I think they falsely reported me for that and got my account banned. I have contacted support via email and Twitter. Am I permanently screwed?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=PhillUponThese;5196920]Just sent you a PM.[/QUOTE]I was somehow able to get my suspension removed after emailing customer support.
[QUOTE=LukeOC;5177944]Regarding privacy and security, do you guys upload pics that show the whole face? Or with mask on?
I hesitate to upload pics with my full face to [URL]SA.com[/URL] in case of an Ashley Madison-like incident. I am more comfortable sending pics through phone once I get to the SB better.[/QUOTE]I guess it really depends on what your life status is. I mean really, there's a huge difference between a single, unattached dude, who works in a job where nobody cares about what his business is, vs. a married dude in a public and / or "responsible" position where that info could ruin him.
For me, NWIH I'm putting my face pic on there. Body only. And sometimes SA can be persnickety about that, I. E. No bare chests, etc. As if we really want to do that at our age, LOL. I also try to resist sending face pics later on, thru email, etc. I don't want them having a picture of me at all! But sometimes you can't avoid that.
Some guys just put a similar picture, of someone else, on their profiles, but I have never been a fan of that because I really haven't ever found someone out there that looks like me. I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing LOL. But I did find someone who looked like me when I was young, and I did an age progression on it using editing software and the results were surprisingly good. I won't use it on the site, because they will boot you for that, but maybe I will if I have to send it to a prospective SB. The last few SBs I had didn't insist on a face pic so haven't had to use it yet.
Funny thing is, I've had a couple of non-white SBs, Muslim / Americans who I swear lightened their pics in their profiles to be more light skinned. IE, they seemed darker when we met IRL. I had not a problem because I like the exotic, olive skinned look! One even showed up with blondish hair, but all her pics she had jet black hair! She did also come across as being a bit bitter that the white blondes seemed to get all the guys buying drinks when she went out to clubs. She was hot though, so IDK why any dudes wouldn't go for it!
[QUOTE=Donwhite;5196944]I was somehow able to get my suspension removed after emailing customer support.[/QUOTE]It's soooo interesting to see how quickly they ban guys (the paying customers) while at the same time letting the same scammers go on for months and months and months. SA really has their priorities straight.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5197862]It's soooo interesting to see how quickly they ban guys (the paying customers) while at the same time letting the same scammers go on for months and months and months. SA really has their priorities straight.[/QUOTE]Face it: what really terrifies Brandon is having his entire enterprise, and all it's affiliates, completely shut down, permanently. And it will probably happen eventually, which he realizes, so I'm sure he wants to ride the gravy train as long as he can make it last. Putting an aggressive "screening" system in place is meant to project the appearance of being a good corporate citizen and stave off the authorities. Cheating a few of his customers out of their subscriber dues is the least of his concerns, especially since very few will complain.
[QUOTE=EvilTmp;5197862]It's soooo interesting to see how quickly they ban guys (the paying customers) while at the same time letting the same scammers go on for months and months and months. SA really has their priorities straight.[/QUOTE]There are rumors that they even pay girls (or guys) to put up fake profiles and answer a few DMs to make it seem like there is this huge surplus of hot SBs. Not sure how accurate the rumor is, but it would align fairly well with some of my experiences.
I doubt SA pays people to put up fake profiles. There are plenty of scammers, rinsers, online only, platonic only, feet pic sellers, findom, femdom, etc profiles already that they don't need to pile on.
Social Media encourages enough "bad actors" to create profiles already without the additional help.
[QUOTE=Mike77;5198718]There are rumors that they even pay girls (or guys) to put up fake profiles and answer a few DMs to make it seem like there is this huge surplus of hot SBs. Not sure how accurate the rumor is, but it would align fairly well with some of my experiences.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this. What I don't understand is how they can ban people with no explanation and no refund. I can see not wanting to give explanations to help people learn how to avoid a ban in the future, but they should at least refund the balance of their unused membership.
How can any business take your money for a service, refuse to provide that service and keep the money? So unethical and makes them liable for a class action suit, if someone had thr guts to go public with it.
[QUOTE=CarloRogue;5198001]Face it: what really terrifies Brandon is having his entire enterprise, and all it's affiliates, completely shut down, permanently. And it will probably happen eventually, which he realizes, so I'm sure he wants to ride the gravy train as long as he can make it last. Putting an aggressive "screening" system in place is meant to project the appearance of being a good corporate citizen and stave off the authorities. Cheating a few of his customers out of their subscriber dues is the least of his concerns, especially since very few will complain.[/QUOTE]
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How can any business take your money for a service, refuse to provide that service and keep the money? So unethical and makes them liable for a class action suit, if someone had thr guts to go public with it.[/QUOTE]Its called put all of those egregious items / terms in the TOS that nobody reads, but which act like a binding legal contract. WE write the rules and you agree to follow them. Doubt any reputable attorney would take the case after a good read of the TOS.
[QUOTE=RappaHannock;5191250]Wow! That does not look like 500 material there in my book.[/QUOTE]Taking a look at her wishlist, quite an assortment of toys, so I guess she's happy taking the " selfcare " route.
[QUOTE=Mike77;5198718]There are rumors that they even pay girls (or guys) to put up fake profiles and answer a few DMs to make it seem like there is this huge surplus of hot SBs. Not sure how accurate the rumor is, but it would align fairly well with some of my experiences.[/QUOTE]I am also skeptical of this. I have frequented these boards for several years, I have heard sour grapes of this ilk, but no real evidence. There are plenty enough of people making profiles on their own, for their own benefit. Personally, I always keep my profile hidden from search, this prevents a scammer from contacting me, but if I go to a girls' page, she can see my profile. This cuts way down on random contacts from other continents.
[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5199080]I agree with this. What I don't understand is how they can ban people with no explanation and no refund. I can see not wanting to give explanations to help people learn how to avoid a ban in the future, but they should at least refund the balance of their unused membership.
How can any business take your money for a service, refuse to provide that service and keep the money? So unethical and makes them liable for a class action suit, if someone had thr guts to go public with it.[/QUOTE]Who is going to opt in to the class? That's a dynamic that is applied for essentially every sexual service covered, there's a vulnerability of us as consumers simply because we don't want to be exposed as one.