"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2224901]After a long absence, I just paid a 1 month fee to get back on SA to check things out.

Got 3 POTs confirmed for FC dates.

Pot #1: 19 yr old short little latina with a booty that rival Minaj. Just want a phone bill paid each month.

Pot #2: 20 yr old AA. A freaky coed that just want to be fucked hard and good. Not much talk of sugars.

Pot #3: 24 yr old AA coed that does modeling on the side. This one is tall (5'9) with LONG legs. Asked for 4 $, and negotiated down to 1 $. Sensing some GPS here.

And amazingly, I came down with a terrible cold / flu. So, got to wait till next week. Updates coming soon.[/QUOTE]A quick update:

Pot 1 tried to pull a quick one on me. As we set a day / time to meet, she asked me for for 250 to pay her first month mobile bill. And she wants all of it on the first date. I don't play this game, so I wish her good luck.

Pot 2 was all freaky and communications were great, then she went radio silence. A case of a curious sexual freak, that probably got cold feet as soon as she realizes shit was about to happens.

Pot 3 still communicating, but haven't been able to meet yet. We set up 2 dates, but then she catches a cold and then I came down with one myself.

But not all is lost. Hooked up with this petite 24 yr old MILF baby. Txt for almost a week before we hook up. She was very nervous as we met in the FC, I can tell this is not something she does. Ended up spending 2 hours and made an hour long video with her, but deleted it by accident as I tried to upload to my cloud account. Some of my best babies are young single moms. They're expectations are realistic, lonely, horny, and do aim to please.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;2239799]A quick update:

Pot 2 was all freaky and communications were great, then she went radio silence. A case of a curious sexual freak, that probably got cold feet as soon as she realizes shit was about to happens.

[/QUOTE]One trick I've learned about most normal women (I'm qualifying that with "normal" because there are some girls who are really emotionally broken that would be exceptions to the advice that follows, but by and large that type is best avoided anyway):

If they get excessively freaky in text / e-mail, unless you know them REALLY well (and have been banging them for a while), try to get them back on a normal track as quickly as possible, especially if you've never met in person for the first time. It sounds counter-intuitive, but try to diffuse their freakiness. Otherwise, in all likelihood it will backfire. They are doing it as a roleplaying exercise, experimenting with ideas, and if those ideas get TOO experimental relative to their actual sexual experience, they will just get cold feet as you said, and back out before you get a chance to find out if their fantasies are real. They will end up feeling like they've dug a hole too deep for themselves to actually meet you or make good on all the promises.

Example, hot civy date that I had been web camming / chatting / talking on the phone with for a while. She was going to be moving to my area soon and all was going well. So one night on the web cam she tosses back about a bottle and a half of wine, and gets horny. Starts telling me she's never done anal before but wants me to fuck her in the ass when we meet, etc. So next day she goes dark. Two days later she comes back with "oh my god, what did I do the other night? I can't believe some of the things I said". I just said "I didn't take any of that seriously, I know you were just joking around because the wine".

That's about the only thing that can be done in that situation. If you feed the fantasy talk she'll likely feel compelled to back out before the deed, unless she's a mental case. If she really is an honest to god firecracker you'll find out soon enough by putting on the poker face early on.

I have been sending my emotional intro letter to a targeted group that I feel might be offended by my direct P4P letter. After a positive response from a tiny MILF.

"I guess I'm not every girl, because I'm only looking for two things…
Someone who's…
1 - going to valet park every time and,
2 - really good at fucking me"

I sent my P4P letter next. Here is a response I got from that one.

"And just to be clear. I don't accept money for sex or anything like that. I have a job, friends, and a therapist, so I don't need your emotional support. If you email me I'll tell you all about the things my I like to do. ".

We"ll see where it goes from here.

Ok, just finished up a month of SA. Handful of POTs but no dates yet.

But want to reinforce some things so others go forward with caution down this SB road.

1) First, on sending pics. I have only sent real pics to 3 women. I have sent fake pics and so some women and so far have never been question on it. But if you do send pics, make sure your location services on your phone is turned off. I had a SB send me a pic and google told me exactly where she lived.

2) Keep as much personal info to yourself. Reveal as little as possible. I recently emailed a POT who had only talked to a couple of times about a month ago. I get a message back saying this is her husband, don't contact her again. Spooked me a little but I never sent any identifying info.

3) No matter if she has a hot body, if she seems a little psycho, cut it off. I had set up a date with this SA girl. She was sexy, seemed normal at first, very nice body, willing to host. Promised an amazing experience. But then she would get a little snippy if I ddin't return her texts right away. So I explained to her if I didn't respond it was because I was at work, with family, or driving but I certainly wasn't ignoring her. I asked her politely to chill out and respect my limitations. She seemed a little apologetic and understanding and we scheduled a date. So on the day of the date we chat a little and I tell her I would be occupied up until 4 pm but I would contact when I got free. So, literally at 4:02 she is sending texts to me asking where the hell am I, that I must not be serious, and too forget it, and so on. I texted hey, I didn't mean 4 pm on the dot just around 4 pm but since she clearly doesn't get it and has already declared the date off, good luck to you. She continues to text me for the 2 hours, ranting.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2239891]I have been sending my emotional intro letter to a targeted group that I feel might be offended by my direct P4P letter. After a positive response from a tiny MILF.

"I guess I'm not every girl, because I'm only looking for two things
Someone who's
1 - going to valet park every time and,
2 - really good at fucking me"

I sent my P4P letter next. Here is a response I got from that one.

"And just to be clear. I don't accept money for sex or anything like that. I have a job, friends, and a therapist, so I don't need your emotional support. If you email me I'll tell you all about the things my I like to do. ".

We"ll see where it goes from here.[/QUOTE]Many years ago I got involved with a company that did direct mail marketing (long before the internet). One of the things they did was to send various low volume mailings (2-3 thousand pieces ea.) with different messages to test for response percentage. They would decide on the mass mailing (100,000 to 1 M pieces) based on the test resuts. Sounds like you are employing the same techniques. A good example of sound scientific SB mining!

[QUOTE=VaSD1;2240153]Many years ago I got involved with a company that did direct mail marketing (long before the internet). One of the things they did was to send various low volume mailings (2-3 thousand pieces ea.) with different messages to test for response percentage. They would decide on the mass mailing (100,000 to 1 M pieces) based on the test resuts. Sounds like you are employing the same techniques. A good example of sound scientific SB mining![/QUOTE]Actually it's what I have been doing for a living for the last 10 years. So yeah, it's the same process, different audience.

I know this is a longshot, but anyone tried dealing with girls (SBs, pros whatever) in bitcoin? Also, since its not legal currency, trading bitcoin for "favors" would still be legal I assume?

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2240749]I know this is a longshot, but anyone tried dealing with girls (SBs, pros whatever) in bitcoin? Also, since its not legal currency, trading bitcoin for "favors" would still be legal I assume?[/QUOTE]For example here in Florida an example a prosecutor friend used to explain what could get you arrested was if you offered to buy a woman dinner in exchange for a BJ, you have just attempted to procure. It is the offer to exchange anything of value in exchange for sex.

So I got my princess down to about $$$ for this month and hopefully to more like $$ a month going forward. I have now been through the The 5 Stages of Loss and Grief. It has taken about 10 weeks. Not too bad after 18 months.

1. Denial and Isolation. At times I was just blissfully passing on the fact that our sex life was below average. Infatuation stage.

2. Anger. That girl is takin my money and not giving up the goods. We had a few mini breakups along the way.

3. Bargaining. Mostly with myself. "well my other girls more than make up for her". Which was true but not justifiable as far as accepting the fact that I was paying 1k a month allowance.

4. Depression. She is so perfect from afar, yet far from perfect. Oh what could have been. I thought she was my fantasy come true. My perfect little dream girl. I'll never find another.

5. Acceptance. No problem. At $$ a month I don't really care about the money, and I will still see her 2 - 3 times a month. Well worth it.

I still love being in her arms, I am just not unrealistic about our future. And I am actually happy we still talk everyday. She is exclusive to me and that does have a value. (just turned 21, beautiful face and 5'5' - 102) I never really get bored of touching her. I just wasn't getting to touch her enough. So its all about being balanced. And now it is.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2240821]For example here in Florida an example a prosecutor friend used to explain what could get you arrested was if you offered to buy a woman dinner in exchange for a BJ, you have just attempted to procure. It is the offer to exchange anything of value in exchange for sex.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Well, at least it has the advantage of less traceability. You can do bitcoin transactions without ever exchanging real names. Also gives a way to hide actual transactions from SO for those that need to.

What made me think of this is I went to book a hotel online and were surprised to see that some of these places accept bitcoin now.

I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]Brother, been there, It is an addiction at this point, the brain is producing dopamine in large quantities and has become addicted to it. Same addiction as with LSD or crack cocaine. I did some research on why I couldn't walk away and was doing stupid shit to stay with her. Thought I was going crazy but found out it was a chemical addiction. Going to be hard to give up even if you find another or want too. Been there. If you do get rid of her, I'll take a whack at her. Good luck.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]
I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]You WILL tire of her eventually, or at least desire variety. Just enjoy the ride and let nature take it's course. These unicorns only cum infrequently. Just don't over use her or you will tire of these all nighters. Maybe it is age but after I shoot my load and spend a few hours doing it I am ready to watch TV and grab some shut eye. Then again in the AM it is OK to hop on my woody and ride again.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2241662]I just don't get how some women can (very few but some) can literally have endless orgasms in such a powerful, sensual and sexual way and others you have to work your ass off just to get them to cum once. My last SB, was this slinky, submissive, sexual creature that must have come from another planet. The girl just permeates, "fuck me" in the most sexual way a woman could do. I have become addicted to this little hot thing and I don't want to be. And the only way I can think to break that addiction is to find another like her. But in my life having fucked about 150 different women, I've never found one even close. So what is a man to do? Just chalk it up to an experience, be thankful for it and ride on? Easier said then done.

I counted her orgasms during an all night sex escape and early morning too, she had 112 orgasms. She cums in seconds from any and all activity and she does it in a way that brings me back over and over. She drained me beyond anything I've had since I was probably 19 years old. I shot my load 7 times until the orgasms I was having actually became painful.

I guess I need one of you ole SD's with more experience to assure me, there will be another like her. Otherwise, I'm fucked, cause I won't drop her and will end up in another relationship.[/QUOTE]I have the best "fuck" from my MILF that usually comes 20 to 30 times in 45 minutes. I once had a civi girl that came every 5 minutes for as long as I fucked her. There is a girl on the cam site I watch that squirts every 5 to 10 strokes. But the best overall experience I have isn't necessarily tied to how many O's a girl has. My girl S is awesome and doesn't cum at all. And never has with anyone yet. But her hour long oral sessions have me smiling.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2241840]I have the best "fuck" from my MILF that usually comes 20 to 30 times in 45 minutes. I once had a civi girl that came every 5 minutes for as long as I fucked her. There is a girl on the cam site I watch that squirts every 5 to 10 strokes. But the best overall experience I have isn't necessarily tied to how many O's a girl has. My girl S is awesome and doesn't cum at all. And never has with anyone yet. But her hour long oral sessions have me smiling.[/QUOTE]This and Jez's post are sound advise. We think we will never tire of such intensity, but it will happen. And I think women who are made the orgasm this way, probably know it too, based on past experiences. This is why they end up with so many partners. For me, I guess I need to tap into my need for variety to get over this hump.

It has always fascinated me how some women can come from simply brushing their clit, some can come from three locations inside them, over and over, some can come from the clit and inside and others don't O at all. And how can it be fair that women can orgasm over and over, when we cum once and we have to recharge. Whoever said men need and want sex more then women do was a jokester on all of humanity. Women just hide it better.