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[QUOTE=RogerOver;3004056]Thanks for jumping into this. What is a "fake reference"?
This is good stuff. I really don't know what the other side of it all looks like (beyond chatting between pops and all). Do the girls really give fake references to each other? What's the motivation behind that?[/QUOTE]It's when the client provides a bullshit reference using a girl he's never seen. He's hoping that by providing the reference it makes him look legit enough that the reference doesn't get checked.
[QUOTE=GracePreston;3003473]Part of the issue is. So many of the gents that have contacted myself from this site act like they've never heard of a reference. I've received more fake references here in Cincinnati alone than in my entire 8 prior years in the hobby in other markets. I can understand why girls, who may need to make ends meet, aren't screening- it is a ***** to screen in this city, particularly if you are somewhat new to the area.
I had to eventually make the decision to go P411 only-- and just tour. It isn't worth the fight and hassle here.[/QUOTE]I appreciate hearing the provider perspective, because I feel like we're all in this together to keep mongers safe from stings and quality providers active. You'll notice that the long-term quality providers do mostly request references, so demanding them is almost like a stamp of quality in a way.
For a while I was sending reference info along with my initial contact, but it seemed like most of the providers didn't even care, so now I just offer to send references if requested and I'm surprised by how many don't request. These girls are taking a big risk IMO. I'm afraid it's on many of the providers and not just us mongers though, as I've been told by respected providers that some girls either don't reply to reference checks, will only reply to providers they get along with, or even worse will reply "he's ok" without even checking.
LEO increase marketing to the community that they care about neighborhoods -- plus arrests ==.
Free Press==almighty votes LOOK WHAT WE HAVE DONE its all political.
[QUOTE=FKNow;3004136]Election year definitely sounds like it. Generally a small town as well I think. Big cities LEO is generally stretched thin defending the streets.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3004098]Hey all, I actually typed this up about 2 weeks ago after I saw a senior take a shit on a new person's post, mostly because it was new AND because it didn't go along with the world-view of the senior.
I get that we are all skeptical, and we are looking for reasons to disbelieve something that doesn't match whatever we have in our head. But I think it chases off new talent if you inflict those views on someone that is just trying to contribute.
Sure, there are legitimate reasons to be reserved. The thing is, and this is JUST my opinion, we can't automatically dismiss or trash people that are willing to take the time to type and share their experiences. In fact, I think we should embrace new people, not be assholes to them.
At any rate, I'm not Abraham Lincoln, so not gifted in the oratory arts. But as a new person, I have to say I don't think new people are really made to feel welcome here. If that's what you want, congratulations. If not, well, in a few years you'll find out that seniors really aren't worth as much as newbies.
Just sayin. I'm not a senior.[/QUOTE]While I am now a senior on this site, I can attest for the attitude that some seniors seen to have. Just look at some of my previous posts stating my views on the subject.
It is funny that, as a "regular", seniors expected me to share information and digits of ladies I reviewed, but only a select few ever offered anything in return, or answered a PM that I sent asking for information.
Aren't we all here to share experiences and stay safe indulging in the hobby?
If not, then why doesn't everyone just stay UTR and gamble on their own gut feelings?
[QUOTE=FirstHalf;3004619]It's when the client provides a bullshit reference using a girl he's never seen. He's hoping that by providing the reference it makes him look legit enough that the reference doesn't get checked.[/QUOTE]I once had a guy ask if he could use me as a reference for a provider I reviewed. I had never even heard of him. I didn't reply and warned the lady. Because guys know that some girls don't check, they figure they can throw out a name and hope for the best. Some of the girls are also to blame because they don't help each other out. I guess they think that by not cooperating they will keep the guy all to themselves, or they just want to hurt the other girl.
[QUOTE=Gatty23;3004768]I once had a guy ask if he could use me as a reference for a provider I reviewed. I had never even heard of him. I didn't reply and warned the lady. Because guys know that some girls don't check, they figure they can throw out a name and hope for the best. Some of the girls are also to blame because they don't help each other out. I guess they think that by not cooperating they will keep the guy all to themselves, or they just want to hurt the other girl.[/QUOTE]I have had more than one member on USA ask if they could use me as a reference to see a provider that I had experience with. One even wanted me to contact the provider to vouch for him. LMMFAO! Maybe I should have charged for the reference? Or maybe it was LE looking for an open door? Bottom line is. Do your own work before you rely on others to spoon feed you.
Some people don't get it, some are just too lazy (like the constant requests for information on well known and reviewed providers! And some apparently are just plain ignorant.
[QUOTE=Gatty23;3004768]I once had a guy ask if he could use me as a reference for a provider I reviewed. I had never even heard of him. I didn't reply and warned the lady. Because guys know that some girls don't check, they figure they can throw out a name and hope for the best. Some of the girls are also to blame because they don't help each other out. I guess they think that by not cooperating they will keep the guy all to themselves, or they just want to hurt the other girl.[/QUOTE]If I ask a girl I've seen to provide a reference and she doesn't do it, I just won't see her again. Fuck that silly bullshit.
[QUOTE=Gatty23;3004768]I once had a guy ask if he could use me as a reference for a provider I reviewed. I had never even heard of him. I didn't reply and warned the lady. Because guys know that some girls don't check, they figure they can throw out a name and hope for the best. Some of the girls are also to blame because they don't help each other out. I guess they think that by not cooperating they will keep the guy all to themselves, or they just want to hurt the other girl.[/QUOTE]Vouching really doesn't work. For mongers reviews help greatly but you have to keep in mind that YMMV from day to day especially with the BP or CL girls. The higher end girls found on p411 or the other site are usually pretty reliable, ask for vouches and cost more. The reference for mongers usually don't work if the reference can't or won't respond or just being pissy. I had one p411 girl turn down the referral of another p411 girl because the girl was 19 and too young in her words.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3004098]Hey all, I actually typed this up about 2 weeks ago after I saw a senior take a shit on a new person's post, mostly because it was new AND because it didn't go along with the world-view of the senior.
I get that we are all skeptical, and we are looking for reasons to disbelieve something that doesn't match whatever we have in our head. But I think it chases off new talent if you inflict those views on someone that is just trying to contribute.
Sure, there are legitimate reasons to be reserved. The thing is, and this is JUST my opinion, we can't automatically dismiss or trash people that are willing to take the time to type and share their experiences. In fact, I think we should embrace new people, not be assholes to them.
At any rate, I'm not Abraham Lincoln, so not gifted in the oratory arts. But as a new person, I have to say I don't think new people are really made to feel welcome here. If that's what you want, congratulations. If not, well, in a few years you'll find out that seniors really aren't worth as much as newbies.
Just sayin. I'm not a senior.[/QUOTE]Alright. I am not a senior but I will tell you this, life is too short to be making our own mistakes. If a senior comes here throwing shit at me, I take it if there is a lesson in it. Wisdom is precious in any which form it comes grab it. Just like us they are humans too and are wanting to share their opinions, rants and life with us. But I understand where you coming from. To each his own.
[QUOTE=GracePreston;3003473]Part of the issue is. So many of the gents that have contacted myself from this site act like they've never heard of a reference. I've received more fake references here in Cincinnati alone than in my entire 8 prior years in the hobby in other markets. I can understand why girls, who may need to make ends meet, aren't screening- it is a ***** to screen in this city, particularly if you are somewhat new to the area.
I had to eventually make the decision to go P411 only-- and just tour. It isn't worth the fight and hassle here.[/QUOTE]Grace if you would reply to people texts or calls you wouldn't have to travel to find work, what's the sence of posting an add every day. Even for people you have seen before. Enjoy the road.
[QUOTE=OneBigRichard;3005081]Grace if you would reply to people texts or calls you wouldn't have to travel to find work, what's the sence of posting an add every day. Even for people you have seen before. Enjoy the road.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I wouldn't' contact her because I think she's a fatty. But I agree there's plenty of business if she works some regulars.
[QUOTE=FKNow;3004937]Alright. I am not a senior but I will tell you this, life is too short to be making our own mistakes. If a senior comes here throwing shit at me, I take it if there is a lesson in it. Wisdom is precious in any which form it comes grab it. Just like us they are humans too and are wanting to share their opinions, rants and life with us. But I understand where you coming from. To each his own.[/QUOTE]What's your point? I was saying that treating new people poorly is a bad idea. What's your addition to that?
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3004794]If I ask a girl I've seen to provide a reference and she doesn't do it, I just won't see her again. Fuck that silly bullshit.[/QUOTE]These ladies aren't doing themselves or anyone else a favor if they don't give out a reference. It's been a few years since I need one, but the lst time I tried to set up references I gave a potential date 4 references and NONE of them responded. I never contacted them again, but I know that one provider kept positng ads saying she needed more clients. She didn't get any more $ from me.
[QUOTE=RogerOver;3005215]Agreed. I wouldn't' contact her because I think she's a fatty. But I agree there's plenty of business if she works some regulars.[/QUOTE]Fatty? LOL. Sounds like your looking for anorexic women. She's not anything remotely close to a fatty.
[QUOTE=TheGardener1;3005608]Fatty? LOL. Sounds like your looking for anorexic women. She's not anything remotely close to a fatty.[/QUOTE]Is a BBW. So unless she's gone on the keto diet in the last few months, she is remotely close to a fatty.