"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Lots of these vendors are non-US, and it can be difficult to pay for the membership discreetly, w / a prepaid debit card. I use a pretty secure / discreet email vendor, Hushmail. And they are in Vancouver. The standard OneVanilla doesn't work with them (I have their paid account, as it allows unlimited email aliases. I have two aliases I use for my profiles on SA, I can't use the proper email addresses, they've both been banned). Anyway, I asked Hushmail how to pay for my renewal, and they mentioned:

You could try a pre-paid credit card such as the one in this link.

[URL]https://www.mastercard.ca/en-ca/consumers/find-card-products/prepaid-cards/gift-card.html[/URL]

It is accepted internationally so there shouldn't be any issues.

That's some driving. I do within 2 hrs drive, but I use my businessCC to paid for gas. If your going to spend that much on gas maybe increase your ppm to the ones who are closer to you.

Yes, the sooner you meetup the better, and a little alcohol always helps. I had only one girl not want to meetup with me again after the 1st date. We agreed on BBFS, but she got upset when I cip her. Other then that all the girls after the 1st date know that you have control of the situation. At that point you can slowly push the line on what these girls will do.

Ps no need to ask about the girl I cip. She off the site now.
[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5078321]It's really a craps shoot with these girls. Some of them seem to be more impulse driven and need that decisive and direct communication up front while others you have to slow play to get them comfortable. I tend to enjoy the ones that require a certain level of comfort before meeting as this isn't just about sex to me. I have a SO at home that is more than happy to do whatever I ask her to do for me but I genuinely enjoy getting to know these girls and spending alone time with them. I've recently increased my search radius on seeking to 250 miles with age range of 18-21 and am having a lot of success finding the sugar babies that I prefer. I am currently rotating between 3 didn't girls and only one of them lives in central VA. The other two are 3-5 hours away.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5078488]That's some driving. I do within 2 hrs drive, but I use my businessCC to paid for gas. If your going to spend that much on gas maybe increase your ppm to the ones who are closer to you.

Yes, the sooner you meetup the better, and a little alcohol always helps. I had only one girl not want to meetup with me again after the 1st date. We agreed on BBFS, but she got upset when I cip her. Other then that all the girls after the 1st date know that you have control of the situation. At that point you can slowly push the line on what these girls will do.

Ps no need to ask about the girl I cip. She off the site now.[/QUOTE]I travel for work so I'm able to expense all my fuel / hotels / food. I consider it a perk of the job. As far as raising my ppm and seeing girls in this area, I have seen all the ones I'm interested in around here. I'm very particular and that limits my options. I find that I prefer the girls away from big cities. I've found that the NC and PA girls that live in more rural areas are better for me and I don't mind traveling to them.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5078391]Lots of these vendors are non-US, and it can be difficult to pay for the membership discreetly, w / a prepaid debit card. I use a pretty secure / discreet email vendor, Hushmail. And they are in Vancouver. The standard OneVanilla doesn't work with them (I have their paid account, as it allows unlimited email aliases. I have two aliases I use for my profiles on SA, I can't use the proper email addresses, they've both been banned). Anyway, I asked Hushmail how to pay for my renewal, and they mentioned:

You could try a pre-paid credit card such as the one in this link.

[URL]https://www.mastercard.ca/en-ca/consumers/find-card-products/prepaid-cards/gift-card.html[/URL]

It is accepted internationally so there shouldn't be any issues.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing that! IF memory serves one of the sites requires an international component to the prepaid payment for it to work. I'll book mark this for future use.

I agree I prefer rural girls more too. PA has been good to me. I'm starting to looking to VA and WV girls in more rural areas too. Not as hot as city girls, but they try harder, and less BS to deal with.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5078697]I travel for work so I'm able to expense all my fuel / hotels / food. I consider it a perk of the job. As far as raising my ppm and seeing girls in this area, I have seen all the ones I'm interested in around here. I'm very particular and that limits my options. I find that I prefer the girls away from big cities. I've found that the NC and PA girls that live in more rural areas are better for me and I don't mind traveling to them.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5079806]I agree I prefer rural girls more too. PA has been good to me. I'm starting to looking to VA and WV girls in more rural areas too. Not as hot as city girls, but they try harder, and less BS to deal with.[/QUOTE]I know someone on SA that goes to Bristol regularly and he says its a non stop parade of 8's for all night fuck fest for $$.

Hi all, long time lurker on the forum but just getting started in the sugar bowl. I was wondering what do you message the SB if you initiate and how do you get them over to Snapchat or text. Thanks in advance and can't wait to share Intel.

Depending on what your looking for. I want a more GFE so I treat it like a normal dating site. I read the girls profile and write a introduction base on what she said, and what I'm looking for. You can just write what your looking for, and just cut and paste it to all the hot girls. I did that too in the past. It's easier and you can mass msg a lot of girls faster. You can also read back forum posting last 6 months, and just msg the girls that have positive reviews.

When your in a conversation with them and, you I feel like they are interested I would ask if they would like to be my SB or want to go on a date. If she say she interested, then I just ask them to msg me on my burner number. Reason I give to move there is I don't like talking allowance on the site. Most girls will understand. Once there I talk money and make sure that the girls know I'm looking for a physical relationship. Also just read a few months of postings. It will help you figure out how to catch scammers and other good information.

[QUOTE=CuddlesGood;5080089]Hi all, long time lurker on the forum but just getting started in the sugar bowl. I was wondering what do you message the SB if you initiate and how do you get them over to Snapchat or text. Thanks in advance and can't wait to share Intel.[/QUOTE]

It's a busy morning for the SBs.

Getting a pro vibe from this one. Profile says she spends time in DC, RVA and Cville. She said she's in Cville for the weekend. Anyone else seen her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/947f8b53-4358-4775-9bf1-c64dbf097bcb[/URL]

That's great advice. Thank you. I'm pretty good at spotting scams online and already had my first. New 18 yo asked for $20 for dinner before even a m&g LOL.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/c8fcda72-3884-4b69-8bfe-5e45a4dd6191[/URL]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5080498]Depending on what your looking for. I want a more GFE so I treat it like a normal dating site. I read the girls profile and write a introduction base on what she said, and what I'm looking for. You can just write what your looking for, and just cut and paste it to all the hot girls. I did that too in the past. It's easier and you can mass msg a lot of girls faster. You can also read back forum posting last 6 months, and just msg the girls that have positive reviews.

When your in a conversation with them and, you I feel like they are interested I would ask if they would like to be my SB or want to go on a date. If she say she interested, then I just ask them to msg me on my burner number. Reason I give to move there is I don't like talking allowance on the site. Most girls will understand. Once there I talk money and make sure that the girls know I'm looking for a physical relationship. Also just read a few months of postings. It will help you figure out how to catch scammers and other good information.[/QUOTE]

Got another one already. She's in Williamsburg and claims to be 20. Her number is associated with a guy's Snapchat and his Instagram has a ❤65039;Malia in it. Definitely suspect. Blocked her so I don't have the link.

[QUOTE=LikItFun;5081115]It's a busy morning for the SBs.

Getting a pro vibe from this one. Profile says she spends time in DC, RVA and Cville. She said she's in Cville for the weekend. Anyone else seen her?

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/947f8b53-4358-4775-9bf1-c64dbf097bcb[/URL][/QUOTE]There is a recent review on the Northern VA board. As I recall, she is legit. Big soft enhanced boobs. Semi-pro.

Any intel on this SB? Exchanged a few messages and getting a pro vibe. Travels between Richmond and Northern VA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0f79c29c-de04-4fb0-bbca-9b1831e57793[/URL]

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5076723]Don't let that fool you. We fly $10/ hour employees in our corporate planes all the time so she can hang that up 😂.[/QUOTE]Agreed. We have two private jets (large and medium). I would never take a picture with either one of them. Low key is always better.

[QUOTE=BaldEagle;5078135]I have been on S. A. Off and on for over 5 years. My past experience has been to get to a safe private meeting place as soon as possible. These girls are hot and cold. The non pros with a little wine will do things they may not do sober. Once you start a physical friendship its done. She will normally meet you in the future. You mentioned in you post that you reached out to her the following week that may have turned out differently if you had scheduled a next meeting the next day or gone to a room then. Many of the girls don't know what they want or what they will do. I have seen some that have no intention of a physical friendship and boom they are all in. It is about the money. Put a little urgency in your search I think you will have better results. Remember they are being hit with message after message from potential sugar daddys like you. The better looking she is the more they have to try to keep all the messages straight. Remember 50 percent of meeting don't happen somebody gets cold feet.

.[/QUOTE]We had met on a Wednesday around 7:15. By the time we were leaving, it was around 9:30-9:45. I had a 45.

Minute drive home and my alarm goes off by 4 everyday. It doesn't matter with her now, but I usually don't plan on sleeping with a POT after the first meeting. I'll definitely message them quicker in the future.

Getting good messaging traction with.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a891df7-ec98-44b3-b06a-65c438fa6761[/URL]

And.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6bc27e96-bf29-4a2c-b60e-b83cf20b65d8[/URL] -- says she is in RVA but lists Cville which makes me wonder if she isn't a scam.

Also.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/612281e3-84cf-40e9-8dff-beef25cabfd9[/URL] looking to move to NYC in the spring.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ae639cfa-b543-48fe-9e49-e4384311b8bc[/URL]

Agree completely. Set up a M&G and see where it goes. There is every kind of lady in the sugar bowl. And my sense is most of these women decide within 5-10 minutes of meeting you if they want to do the deed. One lady as much as told me so, we had taken a couple sips of our coffee and I said something like – "I hope you are comfortable with me I am a really good guy" (which is true BTW) or whatever and she just said "I know, I can tell. Do you want to come to my place" - mission accomplished! And goes without saying of course, always show up clean and well dressed, woman like that you know, LOL!

The real SB's (unlike pros or utr semi-pros) definitely run hot and cold as mentioned. Quick example, I did a m&g about a month ago with a lady and told her up front that I was just getting over a cold, but we still agreed to meet for a drink. She walks in the bar and I am just blown away – 5'10" late 30's (perfect for me as I am late 50's) perfect body 10+, well done fake tits and good looking – her pics were nowhere close to what a package she was. One of the hottest SB's I have meet to date, which is north of 20. I sense after about 10 minutes she is ready to go do the deed, no talk of $$, but I know she is ready, and not sure the idea of me having a cold even in this Covid era bothered her?

Unfortunately, I had to get home and I didn't have the time that afternoon – and I was kicking myself for 3 days. Took me another 2 weeks to set up a meet with her, and it was worth it. Unicorn status in my book and can't wait to see her again. If you are not prepared to pull the trigger with them when you meet, you may not get another chance or it will be a PITA to schedule with them again, especially if they are hot. They show up, need your sugar and are maybe even horny – always a bonus, what more do you want? And the poster is spot on, once you develop a physical friendship with them, they will usually meet you again and again. That's how this works!!

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;5083739]Getting good messaging traction with.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6a891df7-ec98-44b3-b06a-65c438fa6761[/URL]

And.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/6bc27e96-bf29-4a2c-b60e-b83cf20b65d8[/URL] -- says she is in RVA but lists Cville which makes me wonder if she isn't a scam.

Also.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/612281e3-84cf-40e9-8dff-beef25cabfd9[/URL] looking to move to NYC in the spring.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ae639cfa-b543-48fe-9e49-e4384311b8bc[/URL][/QUOTE]This last one was kicking around backpage a few years ago. Fantastic body, beautiful face but the service / attitude ranged from barely engaged to coldly mechanical and the clock was always a factor. Now that she's trying to get a SD maybe she has warmed up her act but I'd advise you to not call her "Jade".

[QUOTE=Tidad;5084718]This last one was kicking around backpage a few years ago. Fantastic body, beautiful face but the service / attitude ranged from barely engaged to coldly mechanical and the clock was always a factor. Now that she's trying to get a SD maybe she has warmed up her act but I'd advise you to not call her "Jade".[/QUOTE]Didn't even bother making up a name when I asked what hers was "does it matter"? Was her answer. A few other replies make her seem mechanical. Shame, becasue the face and body are just my type.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ae639...9-e4384311b8bc[/URL]

Drama, drama. I had forgotten about the Jade name LOL She is serious GPS. And if she thinks you are pushy. Then it does not matter how much $$$ you are offering.

[QUOTE=Tidad;5084718]This last one was kicking around backpage a few years ago. Fantastic body, beautiful face but the service / attitude ranged from barely engaged to coldly mechanical and the clock was always a factor. Now that she's trying to get a SD maybe she has warmed up her act but I'd advise you to not call her "Jade".[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SaTraveler;5085113][URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/ae639...9-e4384311b8bc[/URL]

Drama, drama. I had forgotten about the Jade name LOL She is serious GPS. And if she thinks you are pushy. Then it does not matter how much $$$ you are offering.[/QUOTE]Looks much like Megan with the star tattoos on her tits. Former stripper, wannabe tinder sugar baby. I've even seen her on SA once in a while. Maybe her after some photoshop?

No -- not her -- Tidad was right -- used the name Jade. Left for CA and has come back.

[QUOTE=Makethescoop;5085238]Looks much like Megan with the star tattoos on her tits. Former stripper, wannabe tinder sugar baby. I've even seen her on SA once in a while. Maybe her after some photoshop[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CuddlesGood;5080089]Hi all, long time lurker on the forum but just getting started in the sugar bowl. I was wondering what do you message the SB if you initiate and how do you get them over to Snapchat or text. Thanks in advance and can't wait to share Intel.[/QUOTE]Make sure to read through this, it's a gold mine and will tell you everything you need to know.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]

You seem to already know how to spot the scams. The golden rule for me is no pussy no money, online or otherwise, other than gas money if they have a drive for the M&G. Looks like some people have forgotten that rule perusing through the posts for the first time in a few months and got taken. Just don't do it.

But I think an earlier reply to your post was spot on, figure out what you want to find because it can be anything you want it to be, from semi-pros straight to the motel, to one great girl that is your ideal type where there is a connection, maybe who is brand new to sugaring where you only see each other. Personally, my target market is the younger gals 19-25 who are new or at least don't have much mileage but I like variety so unless they knock my socks off I only see them a time or 2 to start. I do usually tell them early on that if it goes well we could meet every week or so, but they almost always take the hint, and don't respond badly if I reach out on occasion to hang out. I also have a couple that I have known for years that I see somewhat consistently that I mix in with the variety, these girls are attractive, freaky and sub, and come for very reasonable donations.

As far as donation, this is a debate that has been going on in this thread for years, but I haven't found that paying up gets either better quality or experience, in fact there's often an inverse relationship. Now I also differ in approach in that I do not discuss amounts before a M&G, which may be why this works for me. Because the type of girl I'm seeking is more concerned with liking someone, feeling safe and comfortable, and having fun than just doing it with anyone provided it's the highest bidder. So when she meets me and verifies that's present with me, she becomes much more agreeable. Every market varies, but have yet to be turned down in mine with someone I've met in person (and rarely even online when they insist on discussing first) at 300 a meet, and if they can't host I usually propose we split the room and do 250, which usually works. I had a very beautiful 25 yo slender blonde last week who asked for 500 and then immediately agreed to my 300 counter for example.

Anyway, all the scammings, fakes and online only garbage has made it much harder but still gems out there. Happy hunting!

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;5085602]Make sure to read through this, it's a gold mine and will tell you everything you need to know.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
You seem to already know how to spot the scams. The golden rule for me is no pussy no money, online or otherwise, other than gas money if they have a drive for the M&G. Looks like some people have forgotten that rule perusing through the posts for the first time in a few months and got taken. Just don't do it.

But I think an earlier reply to your post was spot on, figure out what you want to find because it can be anything you want it to be, from semi-pros straight to the motel, to one great girl that is your ideal type where there is a connection, maybe who is brand new to sugaring where you only see each other. Personally, my target market is the younger gals 19-25 who are new or at least don't have much mileage but I like variety so unless they knock my socks off I only see them a time or 2 to start. I do usually tell them early on that if it goes well we could meet every week or so, but they almost always take the hint, and don't respond badly if I reach out on occasion to hang out. I also have a couple that I have known for years that I see somewhat consistently that I mix in with the variety, these girls are attractive, freaky and sub, and come for very reasonable donations.
As far as donation, this is a debate that has been going on in this thread for years, but I haven't found that paying up gets either better quality or experience, in fact there's often an inverse relationship. Now I also differ in approach in that I do not discuss amounts before a M&G, which may be why this works for me. Because the type of girl I'm seeking is more concerned with liking someone, feeling safe and comfortable, and having fun than just doing it with anyone provided it's the highest bidder. So when she meets me and verifies that's present with me, she becomes much more agreeable. Every market varies, but have yet to be turned down in mine with someone I've met in person (and rarely even online when they insist on discussing first) at 300 a meet, and if they can't host I usually propose we split the room and do 250, which usually works. I had a very beautiful 25 yo slender blonde last week who asked for 500 and then immediately agreed to my 300 counter for example.Anyway, all the scammings, fakes and online only garbage has made it much harder but still gems out there. Happy hunting![/QUOTE]I totally agree I've been on BLK and I've got 2 on there. Now I've also got a lot of bullshit or just no interested but the younger ones in their early 20's are way easier for me they know what they want and willing to do whatever to get it. Dinner then back to room and see you next week. I text maybe 20 and get one good response and then out of the good ones maybe 1 out of 5 we meet. Not great odds but the ones I have are not druggies or been slopped around. Fresh tight and game for whatever.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5085673]I totally agree I've been on BLK and I've got 2 on there. Now I've also got a lot of bullshit or just no interested but the younger ones in their early 20's are way easier for me they know what they want and willing to do whatever to get it. Dinner then back to room and see you next week. I text maybe 20 and get one good response and then out of the good ones maybe 1 out of 5 we meet. Not great odds but the ones I have are not druggies or been slopped around. Fresh tight and game for whatever.[/QUOTE]What's "BLK"? A new site we should be considering as a SA alternative?

It's like Tinder, but targeting a Black demographic. It's a lot like Tinder with a lot of BS and scammers to sort through. As an older white man, I know if a 20 year hot Black woman swipes right, she is likely either a scammer or down to play.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5085896]What's "BLK"? A new site we should be considering as a SA alternative?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5086605]It's like Tinder, but targeting a Black demographic. It's a lot like Tinder with a lot of BS and scammers to sort through. As an older white man, I know if a 20 year hot Black woman swipes right, she is likely either a scammer or down to play.[/QUOTE]To each their own. They're not for me. I don't want to get into *any* sort of debate, but I find the demographic statistics about STDs very illuminating. You can find these on the CDC website.

Or something along those lines. Sorry, no link because I blocked her sorry ass.

Nice looking blonde, mid 20's. Almost TGTBT but her photo at a slot machine looked legit.

She listed "Virginia, Virginia" as her location and I suggested she might be more specific, because in my experience VA, VA = Serbian teenager trying to scam $25 and she just lit into me on a multi paragraph rant about how I was the scammer!

Have fun with that one.

I'm not for any normal dating sites. I want to be discrete. I don't want my employees or friends to see me on any dating site. At less with SA my pics are set to private. I can be picky about who see them. Even with that I did endup FC a ex coworker's daughter I met on SA. Any site like Tinder is telling the whole world that I'm F-ing around. Back when I was single I did find profiles of people I knew on Tinder all the time. Like most guys on SA we need to be discrete.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;5086605]It's like Tinder, but targeting a Black demographic. It's a lot like Tinder with a lot of BS and scammers to sort through. As an older white man, I know if a 20 year hot Black woman swipes right, she is likely either a scammer or down to play.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5088253]I'm not for any normal dating sites. I want to be discrete. I don't want my employees or friends to see me on any dating site. At less with SA my pics are set to private. I can be picky about who see them. Even with that I did endup FC a ex coworker's daughter I met on SA. Any site like Tinder is telling the whole world that I'm F-ing around. Back when I was single I did find profiles of people I knew on Tinder all the time. Like most guys on SA we need to be discrete.[/QUOTE]I happened onto a deal to get a Match membership and have been on there a while. It is tough. I used real photos of someone close to me but not me, and disguised my personal details w / my sugar life. I have sent a zillion messages, spoken by phone w / only a couple. I did see several of the older women (I am 65) who have SA profiles are also on Match. A little easier way to locate someone who wants a date / roll in the hay.

I did change up my search to those under 40, and pretty much anyone who wasn't an obvious no got a provocative email about 'beneficial relationship with a much older man'. Absolutely zero uptake on that.

I've been talking to a new college age sb. She says that she's 100% blind which brings so many questions to mind. She is looking for kind of a fwb style arrangement and isn't picking on how much she's being paid. She said she's met a few guys from SA and didn't get a good feeling about them so it went nowhere. For some reason I'm really excited about the possibilities here. She's not a 9-10 which is what I normally go for in a sb but she's a 7-8 which is good enough for me. Her account has been deactivated but wondering if any of you guys have had dealings with a blind sb and if so, how did it go?

[QUOTE=Lobsid;5088253]I'm not for any normal dating sites. I want to be discrete. I don't want my employees or friends to see me on any dating site. At less with SA my pics are set to private. I can be picky about who see them. Even with that I did endup FC a ex coworker's daughter I met on SA. Any site like Tinder is telling the whole world that I'm F-ing around. Back when I was single I did find profiles of people I knew on Tinder all the time. Like most guys on SA we need to be discrete.[/QUOTE]I hear that but having no SO and don't Carr who sees me at my job helps LOL.

When I first joined SA I used Paypal, which was a great option. But that went away.

Since then, for the last several years I have used anonymous pre-paid credit cards. Vanilla Card in particular. Also no problems. Until last month, that is.

Last two times I tried, with two separate cards, they both failed to go through. Now SA have changed their CC processor several times over the years, and right now, the SA site says that any credit card must allow international transactions. Pre-paid Vanilla Cards don't allow international transactions.

Are others encountering this problem? Any work arounds?

I see some references here to using Bitcoin to pay, but I see no option for that on SA.

Thanks in advance.

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5089315]When I first joined SA I used Paypal, which was a great option. But that went away.

Since then, for the last several years I have used anonymous pre-paid credit cards. Vanilla Card in particular. Also no problems. Until last month, that is.

Last two times I tried, with two separate cards, they both failed to go through. Now SA have changed their CC processor several times over the years, and right now, the SA site says that any credit card must allow international transactions. Pre-paid Vanilla Cards don't allow international transactions.

Are others encountering this problem? Any work arounds?

I see some references here to using Bitcoin to pay, but I see no option for that on SA.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I just started SA is it worth the cost? Other words how many actual hookups do you get in a 30 day period? I don't mind paying but seems a little costly for 30 day subscription.

I been on it for 8 months. 1st 3 months I was avg 2-3 new girls a month. 4-8 I was avg 3-5 new girls a month. Basically my game has improved. SA is half dating site, so it can be very difficult depending on what your looking for and how you go about doing it. I was less picky about what girls I get with at 1st now I'm a lot more selective. So my numbers could be a lot higher if I wanted to. Also depends on how wide your search area is. All my current SBs are a 8 or higher, but 1 she a 6. I over look that because she has natural DD cups. All 6 of my SBs are 19-26 years old with half of them still in college. My pay membership ends in Dec. I will probably take a break if their isn't a increase of hot college girls.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5089490]I just started SA is it worth the cost? Other words how many actual hookups do you get in a 30 day period? I don't mind paying but seems a little costly for 30 day subscription.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PussyPumper;5089315]When I first joined SA I used Paypal, which was a great option. But that went away.

Since then, for the last several years I have used anonymous pre-paid credit cards. Vanilla Card in particular. Also no problems. Until last month, that is.

Last two times I tried, with two separate cards, they both failed to go through. Now SA have changed their CC processor several times over the years, and right now, the SA site says that any credit card must allow international transactions. Pre-paid Vanilla Cards don't allow international transactions.

Are others encountering this problem? Any work arounds?

I see some references here to using Bitcoin to pay, but I see no option for that on SA.

Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]I have also heard that if you are using the app on your Android phone, you can get a GooglePay card and pay with that. The card is a prepaid that can be bought anonymously. Why don't you search this thread for that? Report back if successful.

[QUOTE=Jcn1965;5089490]I just started SA is it worth the cost? Other words how many actual hookups do you get in a 30 day period? I don't mind paying but seems a little costly for 30 day subscription.[/QUOTE]You're right, you shouldn't try SA if you can't afford $90.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5090110]You're right, you shouldn't try SA if you can't afford $90.[/QUOTE]I agree. $90 is a drop in the bucket compared to what you'll spend if you plan to sugar date. When I'm active on seeking I typically spend $2-3 k a month on hotels, food, and the girls and that's just 5 or 6 meetups. If you're concerned about $90 then you're going to be really disappointed when you realize how expensive it can be to play in this hobby.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;5090110]You're right, you shouldn't try SA if you can't afford $90.[/QUOTE]I can afford the money but what I asked is their a return on investment and what kind of numbers. But hey it's cool you go ahead send that 90 a month to me and I'll give you some guarantee hits.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;5090421]I agree. $90 is a drop in the bucket compared to what you'll spend if you plan to sugar date. When I'm active on seeking I typically spend $2-3 k a month on hotels, food, and the girls and that's just 5 or 6 meetups. If you're concerned about $90 then you're going to be really disappointed when you realize how expensive it can be to play in this hobby.[/QUOTE]No offense but I've been in this game for 40 plus so it's not the 90 it's what's the return LOL. I don't throw good money at bad stuff.