Massage Parlor Reports

This is a Sex forum people should have the right to blog what they want to blog. Rememeber freedom of speech .I'm talkin sex and why cops are interfering in me getting any play by scaring all the providers up.I came here to express what i've heard and what i know.This ain't my first rodeo.I'm here to be entertained and to entertain not having to sugar-coat every god damn thing in this fuckin world.Some of you overly sensitives need to take things with a grain of salt.I originally came on to discuss my bad experiences .I mean damn i don't make whole lotta dough and when your spending $70 to $90 dollars a pop and leaving with blue balls and end up having to jerk myself off it gets frustrating and it is getting damn pretty old.Craigslist is alittle scary,Eros and stripclubs is out of my price range,and no offense to some of yaw but SW is just not my thing ( i caught a curable STD from a mexican SW back in the day) so sometimes i'm just fine with a nice sexy rub and tug. If covered FS and BJ was available every now and then i would treat myself if my provider was down.I'm going to have to book me a flight to Costa Rica because O- town is no-sex town.

[QUOTE=Joesjohn]I used to see Deva/Jayden every now and then at her new/old places where she used to work at and always got great finishes up until a few months back.She just cut me off cold and all the woman kept yapping about was leo coming in constantly like one after the other everyday.She even told me that clients have reported to her they've been harrassed by cops .She told me how they do it is license plate # and traced them back to their homes or work. I'm like what the fuck does this have to do with me?I mean don't once a therapist-client have known each other for a while and have taken care of one another,then it's all good.She kept saying next time when it's not so hot .Then next time came around i wanted her( even knowing her old man Dirk knowing everything that goes on in session that she does with everyone anyway) . She pushed me on an old boney asian lady named Shantel or Chanel had no ass or titties(i'm an ass and a titty man but damn at least one or the other.I did get a real good massage and a simple hand release but i did'nt want her, i've seen her but never wanted her.Think she used to work out at Avalon never had her there either.I can understand for the married guys and proffesionals but i'm a single man and need my stuff taken care of.Does anyone know if this place has had any problems?Being harass verbally is one thing but getting the door busted down while you getting your groove on is another.[/QUOTE]


Sounds like pure fiction to me. Let me guess, you are writing a research paper on the best way to insult the intelligence of an entire group of people.

My most recent experience was at International Therapy (US 17/92 near Maitland Ave./next to Thurstons Auto). This is an AMP where they rotate the girls, but the owners/mamasans are constant, and they know me.

For newbies: I find that this is key for the AMPs - get to know the mamasan (some hobbyists even tip the mamasan ahead of time).

I like this place because it is fairly large (maybe 8 massage rooms with hot tubs, a shower table, a real lobby, etc.) and I consistently get good service.

I got a new girl (just transferred from the upper midwest). She was probably around 40, Asian, spinner, and wearing short-shorts and had a great attitude. She did a thorough TS and we moved to the massage room. I just told her how I liked my massage, and she took over. She was a true professional, very interested in paying off her Maersk* fee and make some revenue. I thought it was going to be an ordinary experience, but she took it to a much higher level, without me even having to ask.

I always leave happy, but this visit was very memorable. This is why I feel that being a regular and making sure that the mamasan remembers you positively, leads to an improved experience.

House Fee: $.8
Tip: $.4

*Maersk is an international cargo shipping company: meant as a joke for the illegals that get shipped here in cargo containers.

I went to Ginza a couple of times during the period when Joesjohn claims to have seen an old, latin, hunched backed person named Joy or Choi. I never saw anyone that fit that description. I did see an attractive Asian looking lady. Lilly said her name is Joy.

I know Lilly fairly well and asked her a few questions regarding Joesjohn’s claims.

I asked Lilly if she ever hired an older Latin lady who was hunchbacked, she said no.

On 9/21: Joesjohn said, If I'm not mistaken she did say she was half latin and asian (actually from China not Korea, )

I asked Lilly if Joy is half Latin. Lilly: no.

Me: Is she part Chinese? Lilly: No, fully Korean.

I heard Lilly and Joy speaking. It sounded to me like they were speaking the same language, which would be Korean, since that’s Lilly’s native language.

9/19: Joesjohn: I know she (Lilly) is trying to find girls to work at her soon to be new location out by international Dr. In front of the convention center.

Lilly had previously told me that she does have plans to open a place near the convention center, and she is hiring LMTs. The place will be upscale and strictly legit. She is aware that they will be closely watched by police and she is having the therapists sign a document acknowledging that their work will be strictly within legal and ethical standards.

This is -->not<-- meant as a guarantee on how to get superior service, but it will help the new hobbyist get better service. These suggestions are based upon my years of experience, and may not work for everyone, but will improve the odds in your favor.

General Rules:

1. Not all providers will provide anything but the basic service: ever.
The only way to know is to RTFF here and experience it yourself (TOFTT). Most times, providers have been rated here and you can get a good idea if you can get more than standard service. Some providers provide such a superior legitimate massage that you may keep them on for your legitimate massages. I have a provider that is 100% legit (recently 100% legit) that I enjoy legitimate/no extras massages from.

2. For providers, you may not get the extra service on your first or second visit.
The provider needs to know you first. If you don't creep out the provider, you will know, one way or the other, within the 1st two visits. If after the 3rd visit and you still get nothing, you most likely have your answer. Decide to either move on or live with it.

3. For AMPs: get to know the mamasan/host/owner.
At many AMPs, the girls are rotated frequently. If you go once/month, you may not see the same girl. Usually, the mamasan is always there. She will remember you and will assign a better provider than one of their old cougars. The more you go, the better the service can be.

4. Be polite to everyone.
Providers are people too, and they do a hard job. Many work 6 or 7 days/week and have to see all kinds of jerks. If you are kind, you will get better service. Compliment your provider on something she cares about: her looks, her technique, how nice she is, etc.

5. Tips are appreciated.
If you tip your provider generously (minimum 20%), you will be rewarded next time.

6. Do not discuss anything improper with the mamasan or provider in person or on the phone.
They are usually skittish anyway, and bringing up anything improper will be not received warmly.

7. Each visit is unique.
Do not expect superior service everytime. If you are known, you should leave happy.

8. Arrive clean or else take a shower before the massage
Do not come from work sweating or just after doing outside work. Even if I am clean, I always get the TS first for respect for the provider. If a regular shower is offered, take it. This attentiveness is appreciated.

This is just a quick rundown of common sense and not generally known information that will make your experience a better one. Be safe and happy.

Gentleman 100,

Thank you. It's good to see a post here that is informative, instructive and in the spirit of what we are all here to learn. If I can add one thing to #8 in your list that would be brush your teeth and take a breath mint before your session. I have had a number of of providers both compliment me that my breath is fresh AND THEN comment about how many other customers come in with bad breath.

I have also found that learning a little of their native language (usually Korean) and taking an interest in their country is also very much appreciated. Smiling a lot, softly stroking (NOT groping!) their arm or leg and making a little "ah" or "mmm" sound lets them know you are enjoying the massage and is a good way of complimenting the provider even if she speaks little English.

Finally, I don't know how many times I got a provider who initially didn't look to be my type. But I kept a good attitude and was extra pleasant and eneded up uncovering a hidden gem. It doesn't always work out that way, but it very often does. If I draw a provider with an attitude or some problem (happens rarely) I cut my losses and leave.

Regards,
CB

[QUOTE=Gentleman 100]This is -->not<-- meant as a guarantee on how to get superior service, but it will help the new hobbyist get better service. These suggestions are based upon my years of experience, and may not work for everyone, but will improve the odds in your favor.

General Rules:

1. Not all providers will provide anything but the basic service: ever.
The only way to know is to RTFF here and experience it yourself (TOFTT). Most times, providers have been rated here and you can get a good idea if you can get more than standard service. Some providers provide such a superior legitimate massage that you may keep them on for your legitimate massages. I have a provider that is 100% legit (recently 100% legit) that I enjoy legitimate/no extras massages from.

2. For providers, you may not get the extra service on your first or second visit.
The provider needs to know you first. If you don't creep out the provider, you will know, one way or the other, within the 1st two visits. If after the 3rd visit and you still get nothing, you most likely have your answer. Decide to either move on or live with it.

3. For AMPs: get to know the mamasan/host/owner.
At many AMPs, the girls are rotated frequently. If you go once/month, you may not see the same girl. Usually, the mamasan is always there. She will remember you and will assign a better provider than one of their old cougars. The more you go, the better the service can be.

4. Be polite to everyone.
Providers are people too, and they do a hard job. Many work 6 or 7 days/week and have to see all kinds of jerks. If you are kind, you will get better service. Compliment your provider on something she cares about: her looks, her technique, how nice she is, etc.

5. Tips are appreciated.
If you tip your provider generously (minimum 20%), you will be rewarded next time.

6. Do not discuss anything improper with the mamasan or provider in person or on the phone.
They are usually skittish anyway, and bringing up anything improper will be not received warmly.

7. Each visit is unique.
Do not expect superior service everytime. If you are known, you should leave happy.

8. Arrive clean or else take a shower before the massage
Do not come from work sweating or just after doing outside work. Even if I am clean, I always get the TS first for respect for the provider. If a regular shower is offered, take it. This attentiveness is appreciated.

This is just a quick rundown of common sense and not generally known information that will make your experience a better one. Be safe and happy.[/QUOTE]

These are good guidelines for MP's. That's why I don't use them in US. I don't think they apply for all kinds of working girls.
J
Thanks Sponge for your understanding.
[QUOTE=Gentleman 100]

1. Not all providers will provide anything but the basic service: ever.
The only way to know is to RTFF here and experience it yourself (TOFTT). Most times, providers have been rated here and you can get a good idea if you can get more than standard service. Some providers provide such a superior legitimate massage that you may keep them on for your legitimate massages. I have a provider that is 100% legit (recently 100% legit) that I enjoy legitimate/no extras massages from.

2. For providers, you may not get the extra service on your first or second visit.
The provider needs to know you first. If you don't creep out the provider, you will know, one way or the other, within the 1st two visits. If after the 3rd visit and you still get nothing, you most likely have your answer. Decide to either move on or live with it.

3. For AMPs: get to know the mamasan/host/owner.
At many AMPs, the girls are rotated frequently. If you go once/month, you may not see the same girl. Usually, the mamasan is always there. She will remember you and will assign a better provider than one of their old cougars. The more you go, the better the service can be.

[/QUOTE]

Since today was a raining evening, I decided to inaugurate Fall 2008 with a visit to ToA on my way home from work. I got the South African princess. She enjoys her work and wants to make money (slightly pushy for the tips, but careful and thorough).

I took a pre-massage shower and made sure that I was completely clean. She took care to gently use her fingernails (nice) and after the flip, the massage ended happily. Afterwards, she wiped off the lotion she used for the massage with a hot, wet towel.

I gave the hostess a little company-branded trinket, which was appreciated (partly to be nice, and partly to show I am not a LEO).

House Fee: $.9
Tip: $.4

Be safe and wise.

P.S.: Newbies - Note I used a little less subtle hints, while still not being explicit. Read between the lines.

[QUOTE=Citywalk]Sounds like pure fiction to me. Let me guess, you are writing a research paper on the best way to insult the intelligence of an entire group of people.[/QUOTE]This isn't fiction it was a dream when it happened, or my bad, more like a nightmare. Stop talkin and keep walkin Cityboy.

[QUOTE=JoesJohn]They must have read this (Moonlight went back and reported to Miss. Lily) damn forum and must have switched her out. If I'm not mistaken she did say she was half latin and asian (actually from China not Korea, ) Her hair is black and short, short height like maybe 5 feet tall or less, her upper back curvature protrudes out (hunchback). When I said spaced out she was into some kind of spiritual healing type shit (I ain't used that mess) Deva from Lotus was into that witchcraft shit to). I never said she was'nt nice and a matter fact she gave one of the best legit massages I've ever had. We conversated a bit and she even told me taught massage and spiritual healing. Now boy, breath smelling like mommie's titty milk, I don't here you coming back with details about this lady or about the service you've had. And again it's been a dry pussy getting year this year because of all this cop shit going around. We shouldn't be paranoid of one another on here accusing this and that person being a cop. And it seems like some of you get so attached with your provider. Fuck this shit they make their money and they come and go. Forget the ex and on with the next![/QUOTE]I am new to this board and am reading some of the threads. This guy JoesJohn must be some kind of prevert. Cann't seem to get a girl of his own so he bad mouths all the providers. What he is saying is pure lies. All the AMPs he is mentioning are good establishments and the providers are all professional. Questiion is point is GIinga amd Ms. Lilly. She is a wonderful person and ideats like JoesJohn make is bad for everyone. He does not seem to have a nice word for anyone. JoseJohn, it sounds to me that you can not get any provider to like you. What do you look like a. Hoe. What say you ding dong.

[QUOTE=John Q Public]I am new to this board and am reading some of the threads. This guy JoesJohn must be some kind of prevert. Cann't seem to get a girl of his own so he bad mouths all the providers. What he is saying is pure lies. All the AMPs he is mentioning are good establishments and the providers are all professional. Questiion is point is GIinga amd Ms. Lilly. She is a wonderful person and ideats like JoesJohn make is bad for everyone. He does not seem to have a nice word for anyone. JoseJohn, it sounds to me that you can not get any provider to like you. What do you look like a. Hoe. What say you ding dong.[/QUOTE]Sounds like someone is personally offended. Hummmm.

Additional tip that has worked well for me. Always act like you have been there. Pay close attention to the location of things when you walk into the back so that when they take you to TS, you don't have to be lead. Little things that make it seem like you have been there before make the masseuse more comfortable.

Also, read the forum to find name of provider. Sometimes I like to find the name of someone that I know does not still work there. When they ask who you have seen, tell them its been a while but you have seen "(past provider name)" many times before. This may establish a comfort level.

Just some extra tips.

John

[QUOTE=John Q Public]I am new to this board and am reading some of the threads. This guy JoesJohn must be some kind of prevert. Cann't seem to get a girl of his own so he bad mouths all the providers. What he is saying is pure lies. All the AMPs he is mentioning are good establishments and the providers are all professional. Questiion is point is GIinga amd Ms. Lilly. She is a wonderful person and ideats like JoesJohn make is bad for everyone. He does not seem to have a nice word for anyone. JoseJohn, it sounds to me that you can not get any provider to like you. What do you look like a. Hoe. What say you ding dong.[/QUOTE]I agree with everything you said. JoesJohn is an asshole. Lilly is a lovely person.

[QUOTE=Lokm321]Sounds like someone is personally offended. Hummmm.[/QUOTE]I am not personally offended. I do not even know many of the providers that well. I am just saying that I have been to many of the AMPs that JoseJohn as been to and I have to say that what he says is not true about there AMPd. I just wonder why someone would go out of his way to lie about things. That is not the American way! Maybe he is using reverse psycology to stir the pot. I do not know. He obviously does not want to respond and tell us his position. I am just trying to set the record right. I have no other motives, believe me.

[QUOTE=Tex Cobb]I agree with everything you said. JoesJohn is an asshole. Lilly is a lovely person.[/QUOTE]I am just responding because things that a wrong should be corrected. I do not know many of there AMPs etc that well but I do know I have been to see many of the ones that JoesJohn says he has seen and I know for a fact that they are not what he says they are. Many are professional had give a legitimate service. Nothing like what this guy is saying. He is going out of his way to hurt there people. I have no other reason but to say what is right and what is wrong. I just came to this board yesterday and do not know all of the political things being stated here. I just wan to make my opinion known and move on to a discussion of AMPs that this board is supposed to do, not hurt providers or AMPs.

[QUOTE=Tex Cobb]I agree with everything you said. JoesJohn is an asshole. Lilly is a lovely person.[/QUOTE]

LOL, well said. That's the great thing about his board. If you stick around long enough you get to know who is here just to be an ass and who is here to help. Jerks like JoesJohn are nothing more than, as Joe Pesci so eloquently put it, Internet tough guys.

Just opened a Ginza Spa on Westwood blvd. [my street] I was wondering if they were my new competition [I mean that in a friendly way ] and since I can't toftt I was wondering what the deal was? Perhaps they'll hire me?

[QUOTE=Tinaa]Just opened a ginza spa on westwood blvd. [my street] I was wondering if they were my new competition [I mean that in a friendly way ] and since I can't toftt I was wondering what the deal was? Perhaps they'll hire me?[/QUOTE]

Tinaa -- Are you a Licensed Massage Therapist providing various legitimate massage techniques like deep tissue, Swedish, Shiatsu, sports and hot stone therapy.

[url]http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/backpain/h_BackMassage.htm[/url]

Are you willing to stand on your feet for hours at a time for $80 an hour?

Some guys, like myself, go to an AMP because they provide a much better legit massage experience than higher priced massage studios. We are not looking for "extras."

The only similarity between a massage therapist and an escort is that both are paid for their time.

[QUOTE=Indian River]I am not personally offended. I do not even know many of the providers that well. I am just saying that I have been to many of the AMPs that JoseJohn as been to and I have to say that what he says is not true about there AMPd. I just wonder why someone would go out of his way to lie about things. That is not the American way! Maybe he is using reverse psycology to stir the pot. I do not know. He obviously does not want to respond and tell us his position. I am just trying to set the record right. I have no other motives, believe me.[/QUOTE]

What you, and everyone else here, should be offended by is the waste of taxpayers' money. There are basically four types of people who make those kind of posts.

1) Competitors
2) Law Enforcement
3) Religious Zealots
4) Psychos and Sociopaths

My bet is psychotic and sociopathic Law Enforcement.

I was in school in jersey for massage and left after being in a terrible car accident [try being hit by a tractor trailer in a ford escort ] recently I had being thinking about returning to school to get my license ...and say what you want I bet you would not turn down a happy ending! Also the "other" ginza spa has a reputation of providing them so it's not a long jump of logic to assume this ginza would offer the same service.. I was just curious ! finally may I suggest you get off the soapbox before you fall and break something JEEEZ!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Tinaa -- Are you a Licensed Massage Therapist providing various legitimate massage techniques like deep tissue, Swedish, Shiatsu, sports and hot stone therapy.

[url]http://www.easyvigour.net.nz/backpain/h_BackMassage.htm[/url]

Are you willing to stand on your feet for hours at a time for $80 an hour?

Some guys, like myself, go to an AMP because they provide a much better legit massage experience than higher priced massage studios. We are not looking for "extras."

The only similarity between a massage therapist and an escort is that both are paid for their time.[/QUOTE]

Went last Wednesday and tried to see if hannah was there, and mamasan said she's not here today.

So I decided to stay an got a 45 min session for 70 and of course opted for the ts (my favorite part. Okay 2nd favorite)

The massage was pretty good, and she even walked on my back, which I f'n love! On the flip it was business as usual, and I left happy!

I never caught the name of the therapist but it really doesn't matter whom you get here, because this is my 6th or 7th visit and have left happy every time.

Room fee 70

Tip 20

Left happy

[QUOTE=Tinaa]Just opened a Ginza Spa on Westwood blvd. [my street] I was wondering if they were my new competition [I mean that in a friendly way ] and since I can't toftt I was wondering what the deal was? Perhaps they'll hire me?[/QUOTE]Tinaa,

No, Ginza will not be your competitor. All therapists will be LMTs, and they will be doing massage without going beyond ethical/legal limits. Lilly is seeking the business of people in that area, of course, and, as I reported before, has asked her employees to sign a legal form acknowledging the legitimate form of services to be rendered, strictly within professional limits. She recently showed me one of the signed forms.

[QUOTE=Tinaa]I was in school in jersey for massage and left after being in a terrible car accident [try being hit by a tractor trailer in a ford escort ] recently I had being thinking about returning to school to get my license ...and say what you want I bet you would not turn down a happy ending! Also the "other" ginza spa has a reputation of providing them so it's not a long jump of logic to assume this ginza would offer the same service.. I was just curious ! finally may I suggest you get off the soapbox before you fall and break something JEEEZ![/QUOTE]

So, I assume you have been to Ginza since you seem to know so much about the place. Yes, I have turned down happy endings. As I have mentioned repeatedly, I go to AMPs for legit massages. That is what I get at Ginza.

You seem to have joined the soapbox of defaming Ginza. After having seen your pictures and having met Lilly in person, there is no comparison. I can see why you might feel threatened.

Tinaa said: Just opened a Ginza Spa on Westwood blvd. [my street] I was wondering if they were my new competition [I mean that in a friendly way ] and since I can't toftt I was wondering what the deal was? Perhaps they'll hire me?

Some of us enjoy a relaxing massage, then falling asleep for happy dreams. Tina, I'm all for you going to work for the "new Ginza", and I'd be happy to be a client of yours.

[QUOTE=Tinaa]I was in school in jersey for massage and left after being in a terrible car accident [try being hit by a tractor trailer in a ford escort ] recently I had being thinking about returning to school to get my license ...and say what you want I bet you would not turn down a happy ending! Also the "other" ginza spa has a reputation of providing them so it's not a long jump of logic to assume this ginza would offer the same service.. I was just curious ! finally may I suggest you get off the soapbox before you fall and break something JEEEZ![/QUOTE]Lilly has put a lot of money into the new spa, knows it will be high profile in that it is near the convention center, and knows the police will be watching and probably sending "customers" to check out the place. It may not be a long jump of logic to assume they will provide the same service as other MPs offer, but logic is not fact. Logic is an idea, facts are reality. (You can use logic all day long and it will not get you to the truth). Also, the "other" Ginza does not provide extras. (Reputation is not fact either). If you read this thread, you will find other reports that confirm this.

As my regular home visit masseuse is out of town for a couple of weeks I decided to make an appt with Assa following reviews on here. Called and got an answer machine so rang off, but the lady of the house called me back! I figured that was good as she knew it was a private home. Arrived about 5 mins early and asked for Hannah but was told she wasn't there. Asked for a line up but was told only one therapist avaialble today. Sharon. She is as described in previous posts.

Found her not particularly friendly but just "OK". She asked if I had been there before and I lied but funny thing was that she said she KNEW I had been there before. Maybe the lady had told her I was not a problem.

Anyway, pretty good firm massage esp on my upper back as I asked her. Got to the flip and with 15 mins to go she said "all done". I indicated there were other areas that needed attention but she did the shy trick and said something like "No, I can't do that. " This was all the while I was feeling her up which she didn't seem to mind. Anyway, she didn't take much persuasion to massage some more but things happened a little quicker than I figured so it was the quickest tip money I have burned in a long while!

Still a few mins to go so I asked if she would do my arms and hands which she did very happily.

I left very relaxed after a thorough massage.

House .95 (.05 credit card fee)
Tip .4

Would definitely return if my usual gem was unavailable so thanks guys for the reports that made me check this out!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]

My bet is psychotic and sociopathic Law Enforcement.[/QUOTE]

What a surprise. Odd that a person who has no interest in extras would sign up for the USA Sex Guide Forum to discuss legitimate massages.

We've been down this road before. Hell, I even gave you the link to another forum that focuses specifically on legitimate massages. It's not like there's any difficulty finding legitimate massages outside of AMPs that give excellent massages for the same price.

Besides, why would a guy who doesn't go for extras worry about LEO. You're not doing anything illegal, are you?

Could not help but think that maybe Tinaa and JoseJohn are roomates. They both have the same false attitude towards Ginzs and they both sound like the same person. By the way, how is JoseJohn, maybe the board got to HOT for him or her. I wonder what is on their tee shirt. Is It SCSO or OCSO. Just a thought.

[QUOTE=Sponge Worthy]What a surprise. Odd that a person who has no interest in extras would sign up for the USA Sex Guide Forum to discuss legitimate massages.

We've been down this road before. Hell, I even gave you the link to another forum that focuses specifically on legitimate massages. It's not like there's any difficulty finding legitimate massages outside of AMPs that give excellent massages for the same price.

Besides, why would a guy who doesn't go for extras worry about LEO. You're not doing anything illegal, are you?[/QUOTE]According to our illustrious former President, Mr. Clinton, Oral sex is not sex and therefore not illegal. If that is not illegal then how would you interpret manual release. Surely it must fall below that of Oral sex and therefore also not illegal. Which brings me to the question of what constitutes an illegal act. Is the getting of an "extra" that is illegal in itself or is it the paying for the "extra" that is illegal. If I give my girlfriend money after getting some "extras" is that illegal. Could someone out there with a legal background clarify this issue. After all, we must all abide by the law.

A two-fer huh? : ) LOL

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]
..My bet is psychotic and sociopathic Law Enforcement.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sponge Worthy]What a surprise. Odd that a person who has no interest in extras would sign up for the USA Sex Guide Forum to discuss legitimate massages.

We've been down this road before. Hell, I even gave you the link to another forum that focuses specifically on legitimate massages. It's not like there's any difficulty finding legitimate massages outside of AMPs that give excellent massages for the same price.

Besides, why would a guy who doesn't go for extras worry about LEO. You're not doing anything illegal, are you?[/QUOTE]

Do I act like a guy who is worried about LEO? LOL. When other massage studios start hiring Asians who provide the same level of service as Ginza, I will gladly RETURN to them. I know most of the other places which is how I am able to draw the comparison.

Sponge, like I mentioned to another poster. You can fuck off anytime. I go to AMPs to get legitimate massages. This forum is filled with great information that often happens to mention the quality of the massage as well as the cleanliness of the establishment.

[QUOTE=John Q Public]According to our illustrious former President, Mr. Clinton, Oral sex is not sex and therefore not illegal. If that is not illegal then how would you interpret manual release. Surely it must fall below that of Oral sex and therefore also not illegal. Which brings me to the question of what constitutes an illegal act. Is the getting of an "extra" that is illegal in itself or is it the paying for the "extra" that is illegal. If I give my girlfriend money after getting some "extras" is that illegal. Could someone out there with a legal background clarify this issue. After all, we must all abide by the law.[/QUOTE]

Well, I have nothing against oral sex. In fact, I wish I were getting some right now. Whatever Bill Clinton's views are on the subject, the reality is whatever the local constabulary decides to enforce is of more immediate importance. As far as they're concerned, any release of sperm by you at a business where you paid for service constitutes prostitution - even if you jacked off.

Well, at least that's the way they seem to operate. Otherwise, we'd still have more jack shacks around here. For actual legal interpretation or advice, see a real professional. My statements are for entertainment purposes only.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Do I act like a guy who is worried about LEO? [/quote]

Absolutely, yes you do. It seems that every other post, you're accusing SOMEONE of being LEO. That's beyond worried, it's paranoia. Most of us expect that LEO is on the board. They have a job to do, so let 'em do it without such blatant (and childish) hostility.

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Sponge, like I mentioned to another poster. You can fuck off anytime.[/QUOTE]

That's nice of you to offer, particularly for someone who's only concerned is to get legitimate massages. The fact that you picked a forum dedicated to paying for sex just to find legitimate massages is enlightening in itself. In fact, you seem to be just about the only person who ONLY wants legitimate massages on a sex forum. What a trailblazer you are!

[QUOTE=Exec Talent]I go to AMPs to get legitimate massages. This forum is filled with great information that often happens to mention the quality of the massage as well as the cleanliness of the establishment.[/QUOTE]

The forum is full of great information and you can get some nice massages, occasionally, at AMP's. However, my unscientific view of the reports here is that most of the massages AREN'T great. We get more reports that they're just ok, maybe even lame, than truly great massages. So if you're honest about your statements, you would've realized a long time ago that AMP's really aren't offering the best massages in town.

Sure, maybe there are some minor exceptions. I'll agree that Ginza did offer a fine massage. The other places, not so much. So now that you know where to get a fine, legitimate massage from an AMP, why are you still here telling people to fuck off and calling them out as LEO?

Damn some of you folks just love twisting and turning what I've posted about Ginza to a whole nother level. Either Ginza is so hard up for business and her advertising agent (now it looks like there could be more LOL) did'nt come through and now he ain't gettin rewarded for it. I'm sorry man, if it's like that, I'm sorry I fucked up your game. But I did go to Asahi like I said and got a massage with one of their newer ladies named Cindy with short hair. Pretty young (I say about mid to late twenties and attractive 6 or 7 on the AMP scale (had a nice body-thick girl with big ol titties and a nice ass booty)especially what she had on little red short shorts and matching low plunging blouse- just letting those pretty mamas hanging all out. It was a pretty decent massage but they seemed to be busy so it was alittle rushed but that was quite alright I knew it was on and she was playful and horny as can be the whole entire time. I got a real good naked handshake. Tipped her. 80 bones. These women at this place are some real horny women (what the hell do they feed these women). I've also had both April and sue they've both have come through for me as well have not tried the other new lady yet.

Like I said reading between the lines and typing in codes don't make a damn difference. Before when Uncle Leo were even aware of this damn site. Body Scrub joints (Like The Executive) by beautiful women (drop dead gorgeous we talkin bout here) in bikinis goin all out in style, 24 hour full-service asian parlors, Strip clubs and Club Juana days, Oringinal owner of AAA/Downtowm massage studio (Not the fat man that runs E. Colonial and old longwood we're talkin before his ass came around and ran one of the places, actually when another man that ran the place and had reverse cowgirl on the menu board up in the front, even "Legit" massage places like Dreamstate, some of yaw old schoolers might remember "Roosters", I can go on and on with good times but those places all came to an end and it was'nt because of this guide. So I don't know what's all the fussing with ET for all I know he could be the "Pshycotic Cop" around here. BTW ET my lady friend says European Day Spa is having a special on a massage with a facial. Please go enjoy your legit facial while us boys are out giving them.

[QUOTE=Indian River]I am not personally offended. I do not even know many of the providers that well. I am just saying that I have been to many of the AMPs that JoseJohn as been to and I have to say that what he says is not true about there AMPd. I just wonder why someone would go out of his way to lie about things. That is not the American way! Maybe he is using reverse psycology to stir the pot. I do not know. He obviously does not want to respond and tell us his position. I am just trying to set the record right. I have no other motives, believe me.[/QUOTE]There is no need to get offended it is all info, dreams and entertainment. But one thing I do take back is the post about Lilly and Tracy from NT getting arrested for not having a massage license and I did get this bogus misinformation from the lady (Shouwa) that owns the massage place Far Orient next to Wally's. These two pretty young women are such dolls and both always give a great massage. I did get the correct info confirmed by the new owner of NT. I do apologize for the incorrect information about them two.

[QUOTE=John Q Public]According to our illustrious former President, Mr. Clinton, Oral sex is not sex and therefore not illegal. If that is not illegal then how would you interpret manual release. Surely it must fall below that of Oral sex and therefore also not illegal. Which brings me to the question of what constitutes an illegal act. Is the getting of an "extra" that is illegal in itself or is it the paying for the "extra" that is illegal. If I give my girlfriend money after getting some "extras" is that illegal. Could someone out there with a legal background clarify this issue. After all, we must all abide by the law.[/QUOTE]You are a couple of clicks away to Google University. Don't forget to drink your milk and cookies before you head out.It's a dangerous world out there.

[QUOTE=John Q Public]Could not help but think that maybe Tinaa and JoseJohn are roomates. They both have the same false attitude towards Ginzs and they both sound like the same person. By the way, how is JoseJohn, maybe the board got to HOT for him or her. I wonder what is on their tee shirt. Is It SCSO or OCSO. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]No i told you I was heading out to Ginza to try the new girl out Oops I'm sorry I mean Asahi Lol.

Prostitution is the act of performing sexual activity (including oral sex) in exchange for money. The legal status of prostitution varies greatly between different jurisdictions, from being punishable to being completely legal.

The state of Nevada in the United States allows regulated brothels, though certain counties and cities within the state have passed laws making them illegal. Individual sex workers are not required to be registered or licensed.

At present, no other state in the United States has either implemented or accepted this legal distinction between commercial pornography performers versus prostitutes as shown in the Florida case where sex film maker Clinton Raymond McCowen, aka "Ray Guhn", was indicted on charges of "soliciting and engaging in prostitution" for his creation of pornography films which included "McCowen and his associates recruited up to 100 local men and women to participate in group sex scenes, the affidavit says." The distinction that California has in its legal determination in the Freeman decision is usually denied in most states' local prostitution laws, which do NOT specifically exclude performers from such inclusion.

In some cases, some states have ratified their local state laws for inclusion to prevent California's Freeman decision to be applied to actors who are paid a fee for sexual actions within their state borders.
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Simlpy: soliciting for any sexual act in exchange of money is illegal. If she performs it just because she likes you it is not. However, giving your girl-friend money is not prostitution.

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[QUOTE=John Q Public]According to our illustrious former President, Mr. Clinton, Oral sex is not sex and therefore not illegal. If that is not illegal then how would you interpret manual release. Surely it must fall below that of Oral sex and therefore also not illegal. Which brings me to the question of what constitutes an illegal act. Is the getting of an "extra" that is illegal in itself or is it the paying for the "extra" that is illegal. If I give my girlfriend money after getting some "extras" is that illegal. Could someone out there with a legal background clarify this issue. After all, we must all abide by the law.[/QUOTE]

I think that I can speak for many on this forum that signed up to share valuable information on MP in the area. This is especially true for those new to the hobby.

I would like to see less complaining and attacks by members and share more information. This site is not a legitimate news source, so any information is subject to interpretation and a grain of salt. Some members may have a self-interest in promoting or discouraging an establishment or provider. Others may be LE or prudes and want to confuse, discourage, or bait members with false or misleading information. This just goes with the territory.

I propose that all members just take a step back, and discontinue this verbal fencing. Frankly, it bores me. I have posted several informative posts within the last week, and I would like to see more of this from others.

When a member verbally attacks another, it just shows me that there is an issue (maybe ego?) beyond this forum. If a member relates a bad experience with a known top-notch provider, enough members will provide feedback to show that he is wrong.

We should all be adults here, and I think that behaving as such would be a wise idea.

We spend our hard-earned money with the providers, since we can't read a review of these places in the Orlando Sentinel from their non-existent MP expert, we must rely on each other to share information.

Pretty please, with sugar on it, let's get back to business here. Thanks, and be safe.