"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Golf,

You are certainly right, nothing lasts forever, but for now at least, I'm happy pretending that it will.

Keep up the good work, and see you when I see you.

Scott

Good luck Scott.

I spent 24 hours with my Sweetheart and have lost the desire to carouse. Why seek something you already have? I'll tell you how bad I've got it. I even started imagining having a baby with her. And I don't even like babies LOL. Now that is insane. Who is it that mentioned the 12 step treatment for addiction? Maybe you and I need to sign up.

I forget, are you married Scott? This presents an issue over and above the age discrepancy. Your baby might like it because the relationship can't go anywhere or she might start wanting you to make a move. The former is tough because you know she will meet someone who is available since all girls want that mom and apple pie dream to come true. The latter will stress you unmercifully since you don't want to lose her but don't want to upset your applecart. If you are single then go for it!

You know what they call a girl who marries a guy 20-30-40 yrs her senior? Nurse.

If this was facebook, I would say, LIKE!

[QUOTE=F Scott;1314508]How about if all her profile photos are clearly taken in the dressing room of a strip club, or if they contain her phone number in glowing neon numerals?[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the advice and support, Nando. Yes, I am married, so I know this has no real lasting future. She knows I'm married as well, so I assume in the back of her mind she thinks the same. That being said, the last great stable relationship I had lasted over a year, and there were many, many happy hours spent together. My recent bonobo-like behavior was only, I think, a response to my long-term baby being transferred for work. I missed the sex, frankly, and since I wasn't connecting with anyone in an emotional way, I figured just go for it. Except for the Irish amazon, it was all great pussy, and honestly she was good too, up until the last 15 minutes or so LOL.

I have thought about what will happen when she meets someone her own age, or closer to it than I am, and I'm just not ready to wrap my mind around it. Right now our meetings are clandestine, exciting, and fun; I think for us both. The fact that I'm married might be a turn-on in a funny way for her. Since I'm planning to spend a lot more time with her in the coming months, I will see if I can uncover her thoughts on these matters in a gentle way.

Also, I hear what you're saying about not wanting to lose her but not wanting to upset my real life either, and I will keep that in mind. I have broken up with a lot of women in my day, and it is never something I enjoy or do cavalierly.

Ah well, we shall see.

In the meantime, gentlemen, keep up the good work, and all you lurkers out there, post up, damn it!

Scott

Happy retirement Scott. LOL.

Finally met up with my first girl from SA. 42yr, short, thick, latina. Very firm and tight for her age. Had an absolutely amazing time. She was very experienced, got great oral skills, and up for pretty much anything I wanted. After 2 pops, and a little over an hour, I was crawling back to the office.

Don't know about you guys, but most that responded to me seems like pro / semi-pro and most are happy with 500-600 a month, or roughly 120-150 per weekly meeting. I have yet to find a true non-pro.

There are still two hot looking chics in their early 20s I that I am trying to set up dates with. One white, one latina and both agreed to 150. The thing with some of these younger ones are that their time / availabilities are pretty inconsistent which make it a challenge to meet them especially when you're married and got family duties. But damn, I'll make sure I'll bang these chics soon.

Like Scott, Nando, Tigger and others, for the past few months I have confined my mongering around to my one SB. We get along great, have similiar backgrounds, and it's the best sex of ole 'rats life. The only down side is that we live too far apart to get together with any type of frequency, generally once a month lately. Thinking I would add some variety, I began looking around locally, not so much through the SD sites but more using Craigslist for women in need. If you read the Baltimore nonpro thread, you know what I'm talking about. I have learned a few things that the wise old 'rat would like to share with the thread:

If they have no money. Drama.

If they have kids. Drama.

If they have a fucked up, abusive SO. Drama.

If they use drugs. Drama.

If they have no vehicle or unreliable vehicle. Drama.

If they have no job. Drama. Plus they never seem to be able to meet. Go figure.

If they don't get along with their family. Drama.

Needless to say, I have suspended my search for a local SB and have currently retired from multifucking. Who knew there could be so many fucked up women in a fairly small, progressive city? If my experiences over the past few weeks are any indication of the plight of the lower economic levels, we are in trouble. I'm a middle class white guy whose philosophy is to live and let live, but these folks have to be absolutely miserable and desperate. I feel sorry for them and glad I recognized it before possibly getting sucked into something I'm not at all comfortable with.

My SB has some issues of course, but she is a pillar of normalcy compared to the women with whom I've met / emailed / chatted over the past few weeks. I will happily take my once a month get together with her and be happy about it. So place me firmly in the monogamous SB camp and happy to be there.

Philosophically I think most of us want to have that one special lady who loves us beyond distraction and who takes care of our every need and want. This is in spite of our hard wired DNA need to reproduce and perpetuate the species.

Unfortunately reality gets in the way and these ladies seriously get on our last nerve after a while and "ruin a good thing " I refuse to take any responsibility of course LOL.

Magic Rat has listed all of my former non pro lovers which all send shivers down my spine and make me so grateful for the classy, smart, responsible SB I have at the moment. I have dipped my brush in enough pots the past three years to make me realize that true happiness-or satiation lies in the heart and between the ears and not the legs.

Here is a sampling of Rat's list. I will change the names to protect the guilty. All had poor family (or no) relations, seriously abusive and worthless former SOs, desperately poor, no regular transportation, no jobs (except part time stripper)

1) LuEllen- 29 yr old single mother addicted to multiple drugs and a 4 pack / day smoker but with a sweet pussy and excellent skills, but talk about drama. She was always calling for more money, was never reliable in meeting me, household was a frigging rat's nest,.in essence.a nightmare!

2) cherise. 23 yr old occasional CL hooker.living in and out with a boyfriend, some jail time spent for drugs, totally unreliable visit wise, and stuck me for several hundred Rubles which were credit for future services.never called back, disappeared. Again.another HYB and skilled with the genitals.enough to keep me trying until I finally wised up

3) Ruby- 26 yr old stripper single mother with no car, living hand to mouth, living in the ghetto. She was marginal in the service department but had that youthful body going on.certainly her heart was not in the relationship and after multiple loans and a large "loan" clearly stated to be repaid in barter.stopped answering her phone. Talk about biting the hand that was trying to feed her.

Well, this has been cathartic and reinforces my desire to stay with my SB, or if she moves on, find another like her. Herewith I offer a list to complement Rat's

1) good family relationships.

2) good friends who are positive influences on them

3) a regular job or in a college program working towards a degree (preferably with some backup financial support) , or both

4) nonsmoker, social or non drinker, no illicit drugs except perhaps occasional weed.

5) a vehicle and driver's license

6) no kids.

7) no SO or spouse.

Bottom line, I am addicted to a well loved single girl who is working towards her graduate degree with a large network of family and friends so she has her own life, who has a good paying job, no current boyfriend, and loves taking care of me while we are together.

I helped start this thread back when Lit was here. I just want to give a quick caution. A friend of mine just imfomed me that popo is doing a internet sting on sugardaddy sites. I find them to be a reliable source. Be careful.

Any warning is well received.thanks OBx. It is easy to get cavalier about something that seems to be going well.

SA for one in print and TV interviews makes it clear that arrangements are not an exchange of $ for sex. Some of the girls on the SA blog actually say sex is not part of their SD affair. Now I think that's a little ridiculous but I know there are old farts who can't perform and genuinely want some arm candy. We all know the score on that so I think the important thing in negotiating with a POT Baby is to avoid ever saying "sex" and "money" in the the same sentence or breath. You might have to take a few hits dating a pot baby while seeing if she is going to be what you are looking for.

The at risk pots IMHO are the hourly girls who make it a little too obvious that they want $ in return for offering services. The true SD game as I said in my post yesterday is to find a baby who one can have an ongoing relationship with as opposed to an escort advertising falsely as a SB. SD sites should not be just a new version of CL or BP but I know a lot of hookers have moved to these sites since CL and E. Com were closed down.

LE will think twice before pissing off wealthy guys looking for their mistresses.

The problem for LE here is that a typical SD / SB relationship is too far down the slippery slope of the variety of male / female relationships. If a girl is blatant about cash-for-sex, she's definitely at risk of being "stung", but as long as she has the sense god gave a doorknob, she can protect herself. Ditto for the guys.

There's no moral difference between a woman that says,"give me $100 and I'll sleep with you" and one that says "Take me out to dinner, a show, drinks after; spend $100 on me, and I'll sleep with you." Yet one is called "prostitution", the other is called "dating".

I can see LE trying to sting both girls and guys by trying to get them to cop to pay-for-play up front. But I have a hard time seeing them trying to go deeper.

And Nando is right: they start pissing off some big-money politically-connected types, they'll get their hands slapped.

Gentlemen,

My understanding is that this has been looked at by LE more than once before, and the consensus was that it was just too difficult to prove a direct P4P situation. I know that with all the babies I have brought to the net, there is an ample email trail that talks about mutual interests, chemistry, meeting first just to chat, flirtatious interchanges and the like, along with a fair amount of time, in most cases, between initial meeting and hitting the sheets. In other words, just the sort of thing one would expect between two people who are feeling each other out as far as a relationship might go. Last time I looked, that's not a crime, even if one of you happens to be an old married letch. The ones that got my spidey sense tingling as being too close to a professional attitude, I simply walked away from.

I just can't imagine them spending all that time and effort to nail one poor middle-aged schmuck. The more likely scenario is that they try and shut down the sites, but even there, what good does it do them? Most likely is that they will set up fake profiles, both a baby and a daddy, and try and lure people into a more direct P4P conversation, as Cantwin suggested. Since providers have never been my scene, those babies that smelled too much like pros, or were all about the Bennies, I just stopped corresponding with. My guess is that they are after the working girls who have migrated from CL and BP to the various SD sites. When I browse BP in my area just for kicks, I see the same handful of girls posting over and over. On the other hand, there must be 20 new SB profiles every day. Common sense says that they can't all be amateurs.

All this is moot for me, as I am totally monogamous at the moment, and happily so. Took my baby grocery shopping this morning, then back to her place to put things away where they belong for a couple of hours. Totally happy, totally content. Other brothers that are still fishing in your respective pools, I think the advice to be more cautious than usual is well-said.

As with most of these things involving our men in blue, it will blow over eventually and things will return to normal. A very good friend of mine, who happens to be a fantastic criminal defense attorney, once had this to say about the police: "it's noting personal, they're just doing their jobs like the rest of us. It's just that some are better at it than others."

Keep up the good work,

Scott

Gentlemen,

In an ironic turn of events, now that I have decided to hide my SA profile and concentrate exclusively on my ATF, I am being besieged with emails from babies that I had been communicating with, and either had not moved forward with or had landed, enjoyed, and moved on from.

What's up with that? On the one hand, I really don't want to see anybody else right now, but on the other hand when babies are knocking on my door of their own volition, what am I to do? I can't be rude and not let them in, can I?

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.

Scott

Point me towards 'them. :)

Lucky boy!

If these Babies you have already been working with are just too tempted by your manly ways then you have to decide if you are going to be true to your ATF SO SB or try to work more than one. My sense is that you are pleased with your ATF and should put these on hold until your SD relationship falls apart. We all know when one disappears another one pops up, although it is hard to find that one special one like you and I currently have.

I told a few girls I was working up that I was now in a relationship and was out of circulation for a while. I know it would hurt my SB's feelings if she saw that I was still on the board. She could rightfully assume I was still patrolling. As soon as my profile came down hers did too. Tit for tat. I am totally happy (and broke) with my current Baby. I am keeping nothing back to play with others.

Since you have the ideal Baby don't take her for granted or get greedy my friend Nando

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1319001]Gentlemen,

In an ironic turn of events, now that I have decided to hide my SA profile and concentrate exclusively on my ATF, I am being besieged with emails from babies that I had been communicating with, and either had not moved forward with or had landed, enjoyed, and moved on from.

What's up with that? On the one hand, I really don't want to see anybody else right now, but on the other hand when babies are knocking on my door of their own volition, what am I to do? I can't be rude and not let them in, can I?

Any thoughts or advice is appreciated.

Scott[/QUOTE]It's perspective isn't it? You are the consumer so you have ability to say no, unless you really want to consume more. Saying no isn't rude. What's ruder is babies expecting and demanding. However, if you are implying things in your communication and leading the babies on, then I would say it is more than rude not to follow through, at least for one course.