"Layna" from CL - rip off
Just wanted to share some intel for the greater good.
I've only seen a few CL girls and am fairly new to the hobby, so I haven't memorized all the rules yet.
Saw Layna recently. She goes by "Mason housewife", "erotic and busty", etc. She's a thick blonde girl with HUGE boobs.
Got to the room and she said her credit card was declined and the front desk needs her to pay cash. So I gave her the money so she could go down and settle the bill.
I know, I know, stupid newbie mistake.
Obviously she never came back. There's been several more reports on CL just this week about her ripping guys off.
So guys, beware, Layna seems to be a rip off.
Mongering 101: 13 Rules (back by popular demand)
Thanks to my homeys Mr. Boomer and Dz who gave me an excuse to edit and repost my 13 rules of "Mongering 101." I have polished them a bit to make them more global.
These rules were developed from experience with SWs, but most of them apply well to escorts, and CL providers. One word about these two latter categories: They seem to me exorbitantly overpriced, and may STILL rip you off.
1) Only carry as much $$ as you are willing to lose... I always stash all valuables (my wallet, extra cash, cell phone, etc.) in a hidden spot. Carry a nearly empty monger's wallet.
2) Be VERY cautious if the "SW" on the street looks TOO good i.e., in MOST US cities, SWs do not dress in stilettos, leopard prints, or other obvious hooker outfits. It smells of a sting. I cannot repeat enough: Caution is the watchword. Tell little head to be quiet until after big head approves.
3) Do not call attention to yourself by making a show out of the stop (no U turns, no flagrant traffic moves). Catch her eye (she will be looking) and pull around the corner onto the next side street and let her come to you. (Do not keep your foot on the brake.) Alternatively, having caught her eye, go smoothly around the block, looking for LE.
4) When you pull up to her (have the door locked), be willing to drive away if your close up impression of her through the window is not good. (Sores, too thin, wired, dirty & stinky, sullen or "dead" eyes? SWs are NEVER as good as your first impression driving by...) Tell her you thought she was someone else.
5) Ask her if she needs a ride. She should immediately say "Yes" and hop right into the car. Do NOT negotiate through the window. The monger's first test for LE: stinging decoys will NOT get into the car. However, a caution, difficult to guard against: busted SWs, in order to stay out of jail, may be forced to serve as decoys. They MIGHT get into your car. But, if you refrain from discussing business until you are out of the neighborhood and make certain you are not being tailed, you should be OK.
If she insists on negotiating through the window, tell her you thought she was someone else, a friend, and split. Watch out for tailing LE.
6) Once she is in the car, IMMEDIATELY get out of the neighborhood. Local LE will stop and hassle you if they see a known SW in your car, my personal experience.
Get permission to feel her bare breasts to be SURE she isn't LE. She may grab your crotch to ensure that you aren't LE. Then get a crystal clear understanding of exactly what you want (covered or no, catch or no, swallow or no, etc) and for exactly how much (plus tip if satisfied). Extensive bargaining is a warning flag of a troublesome SW, and another reason to turn her out. Warning flags go up if the girl is willing to do FS uncovered. NEVER, dudes...
7) Go to YOUR location unless given a good reason not to. HER location may include a male friend of hers who will rip you off. If she refuses your spot, you have another reason to turn her out. Be especially cautious of locations where you have no easy exit. Be VERY leery of taking them to your home! You know the phrase “Come back to haunt you…”
8) NEVER, NEVER give up the $ before you are finished. You can pay a small token up front, but NEVER the whole amount. If she refuses, then “Thanks, but no thanks.” Once she has your money, she is in control. This includes fronting money so they can buy some "butter." Money in their hand may mean you will never get into their bush...
9) SW drug use can be a problem, but try to read what it might be. In my experience, crack (butter) leaves them still cogent, able to reason, and may make them more enthusiastic. On the other hand, heroin (dog food) addiction leads either to very dangerous situations, or makes them semiconscious—hardly satisfying. I see crack creating a dependency, but does not cause the kind of withdrawal that becomes an emergency for them. Crank can make them very horny--do not have direct experience. If they seem REALLY drugged up, it is another reason to turn them out. The difficult truth is that the vast majority of SWs do so to support some habit.
10) Do not let outside people get involved. No answering doors, no second girls, no nothing. You are asking for serious problems.
11) If confronted with a dangerous situation, do not get hostile or seriously argumentative. Tempers flair quickly, to what extent, you may not want to learn. You are in the underworld. GIVE IT UP. After all, you stashed your wallet, extra $$ and valuables elsewhere, right?
12) If you ARE ripped off, publicize the hell out of it on this board with as much descriptive detail as you can. Educate the rest of us about what mistakes you might not make again. Give a detailed description of the SW, her name, exactly where, when, how you connected. If you got a picture, post it!
13) Finally, try to get to know those SWs who ARE dependable. They can, and often are willing to advise you about dangerous, drugged out or HIV positive SWs. Remember however, even long-time dependable SWs should not have TOO much temptation placed in front of them--even they can "grab and run."
Stay safe--even if the thrill of the hunt is part of the deal.
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Handling CraigsList Girls and Escorts
[QUOTE=Sproket560]. I've only seen a few CL girls and am fairly new to the hobby, so I haven't memorized all the rules yet.
Saw Layna recently. She goes by "Mason housewife", "erotic and busty", etc. She's a thick blonde girl with HUGE boobs.
Got to the room and she said her credit card was declined and the front desk needs her to pay cash. So I gave her the money so she could go down and settle the bill. Obviously she never came back. There's been several more reports on CL just this week about her ripping guys off. [/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about that Sproket. There were several red flags before you gave her the money. Also were you in the motel room when you met her or someplace near waiting? Reason I ask is because this "Layna" chick has been ripping off guys left and right. Lets put her out of business.
Thanks for being open about your experience and I do know how it feels to to ripped off like that. So I want to share and give you my pointers for hooking up with CL girls or any Service Providers you meet on the Net.
I've made connections with lots of Servicer Providers long before we had the internet and CraigsList. This was back in the days of Ads in newspapers and yellow-pages before I had gotten into the Net. I've had many successful hookups but had a few bad ones as well. Here's what I basically do to find a good escort service.
When meeting an "escort girl" from CL or web site or even an Ad from the backpages you call or email her you're interested in her services.
Talking on the phone is best and when you do tell her you are interested and like to know more about her service. Ask questions about massages and see if you can get a conversation going. You can get a feel if you want to meet this person. She can be real friendly and talkative or she might be short and rude. I've found this method did help in my decisions.
Very important: NEVER USE THE WORDS "SEX FOR MONEY" either on the phone or in emails.
The difference between escorts and cops is that an escort will avoid any conversation that the transaction is sex for money. A cop will try to get you to say that you are having sex for money. If the escort is using the words "sex for money" she is either very stupid, or she's a cop. If she is avoiding the words "sex for money" or any other similar agreements then she's probably OK.
You might want to call several escort services or independents to get familiar with what is being offered. Understand, though, that they might not be able to fully describe over the phone or in the emails what they do because they don't want to get busted by the law. In other words, if they say they offer "full female companionship, " or a "girl friend experience (gfe)" you're supposed to be sharp enough to figure out that you're going to get laid.
On the phone they won't likely give you a price list of what you get for what money, but you can ask questions like, If I have $200 on me, do you think that would cover everything or do I need to pay extra for tip? This will give you a ballpark idea of what you'll be paying. Make sure that there are no extra charges or what she ask for in her ads are just the cost of showing up. Very important to ask as many questions. If she doesn't like all these questions, tell her "thanks for your time but I don't want to be rip off and I'll find someone else". Be polite and gentlemanly when talking and you'll get better results when asking questions and she'll be better about you. Remember she doesn't want to get busted herself.
One common misconception about being busted is that you don't actually have to have sex for money to get busted. All you have to do is to agree to have sex for money. So either of you can get busted even if no sex or money changes hands. They do need to get it on tape though. So never say those words and she should never say those words.
She needs to know you're not a cop or a violent weirdo or someone who's going to be trouble. She also needs to let you know that she's expecting you to pay up front, but she can't ask you to give her money for sex, because that would be prostitution, and that's not what she does.
If you go to her place or to motel where she's at, there should be no reason she doesn't have a room all set up and ready to meet you. If that's not the case, walk away and don't say anything. Some ladies ask you to call from the car when you are outside, and others are happy to tell you in advance where you are coming. When you get to the door, knock on it. Don't stand around outside and be nervous. DO NOT cause attention. Look as if you belong there.
All legit service providers will want references and they do this in different ways so that you're not a cop or weirdo. You will have to refer to her site to know what she is looking for. This is a good sign that she's not LE herself.
Remember there are plenty of sites to check out the girls to see if she's a good provider or a rip off. Like TER is one of them.
Also you can use this site to check the phone or cell number to see if it's a cop line. You wouldn't believe the stings would use a number listed to some police stations. Here's the site to check numbers: [url]http://www.anywho.com/qry/wp_rl[/url]
Once you are in and both know you're not LE is the money exchange.
When she opens the door, come in. Let her shut the door and then you can greet one another. Most of the ladies I know will lead from this point. Lay the envelope with the money on a table. Allow her to see it but do not make a comment about it. * Do not try to talk about services and what she is going to do for you. Just let the time you are together happen naturally. Again NEVER USE THE WORDS "SEX FOR MONEY". It's a legal thing: You're not really giving her the money for sex.
But. She should not get the money and then need to leave the room to get something. One thing that can happen is that she gets paid. Then says she forgot the condoms in her car. And then drives away. This can happen to you and there's not a lot you can do about it. But you should ask her to leave the money if she needs to go out of the room. This is a bad sign if she does.
However, many women don't buy the best condoms, so if you have a brand you like, buy your own and offer to use your condoms. It will save her from having to use one of hers. It will also avoid an awkward delay if she forgets to bring one and would otherwise have to leave and run to the store to get one. I always keep a tube of KY Jelly when I meet an escort. Lubrication is good. Although the escort is supposed to bring these supplies it's a good idea that you have your own. I've had several escorts show up and forget to bring things so don't count on them having their act together.
Once everything is fine, she will ask you if you want to "get comfortable. " This means "are you ready to have sex? " Your job now is to lead her to the bedroom and get naked. To protect herself legally, she will wait until the client is naked before she undresses. Then have a good time. If you had a good time, some guys leave a tip. That is your choice! It is a good way to show her you were happy with her services, and she will most likely remember you with a*SMILE the next time!
NOW about this Layna Rip off chick. Here is her number 513-546-6238.
In the past, some of us guys had a buddy that would watch the motel for us while inside with the provider. Then we would switch and do the same for the other guy. It's a good system and you have to trust each other and it works great.
Long post but I've cut it down as short as I could with the important points. In my opinion, Craigslist girls are a real roll the dice and better to find an independent with some good references. Right now anything under 2. 00 is not GFE and lousy service or worst a rip off scam. Do your research with all the info on the web there's no reason to find a great provider if you want to spend some serious money.
Last, here are Layna's pictures. I hope you guys call and tell her she is busted and post reviews at CL on her. Let all the CL girls know we don't tolerate rip offs and cash & dash.
Harpo2U
If I May Add My Two Cent?
It Does Happen To Us All,
I got ripped off at one of the NOTELs years ago, after I finished with a young lady, who I gave money to for a second round. At the time cell phone were not as good as they are now so you had to go outside for a signal. Well she gave me that excuse and never returned.
Unfortunately she gave me her Home/Mothers number. So I decided to turn it in to the Cops Vice Squad. Her sisters were tricksters too. So, of course guess who got BUSTED .... Yea Right !!!! They all got 90 days at the JC. I saw her about 6 month later and she was totally run down. I waved and passed her by, as she was trying to get me to pick her up.
What I am saying is turning in the Escort Rip-Offs to Vice, "WORKS".
VICE DON'T CARE WHO THEY CATCH, as long as they catch someone, especially from the CraigsList. Do that if you are Mad Enough and Bold Enough. Some of the Escorts keep a Client Phone Numbers List. I had a Boyfriend/Pimp call me about one of his girls. So play it cool and don't manic if called. Just say "Wrong Number .... I don't know her ???
We might need a, Rip-Off Home Page, as well as a Rules Page. Then as these Escorts move people can see their patterns, and movements. These Girls do move around. Most times their past will run up on them, and money will slow.
Most of the time they are willing with a dude, because what they are doing is TOO DANGEROUS to do alone. Even if they are doing it with another Girl.
My Two Cents Worth .... Just Common Sense !!!!
Word
Harpo2u: Superb post on cautions when using escort or CL services.
I think your post should be required reading for anyone contemplating going the route of escorts of CL:
[url]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=594047&postcount=731[/url]
Well laid out, and (as others pointed out), because it is common sense, once spelled out, it seems obvious (not only to newbies). But that is the essence of genius.
I WISH I had the resources to taste of the high priced spread (get it???). But you guys can give us all (even those of modest means) pleasure with your tales of tails in the escort trade.
Harpu2u: if you condense it down into bite sized rules, which lead with the "take home lesson" of each rule, you will be famous!
And Wordup!!! Great to see you posting after a long hiatus. We miss your street wisdom.
Giani
