"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2233498]
I am just an escape artist always looking for and sometimes becoming the next trick. I may prefer to be the master of my universe but I love the ride as much as I do trying to be in the here and now, wherever that is. Like one of my x's used to annoyingly say after giving me her view of anything "Does that make any sense?"[/QUOTE]As long as the money and sexual function exists the Sugar bowl provides everything a man needs. Who says you can't buy love? If one or the other is inadequate a sugar princess will not be there to see you into your old age.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2233737]As long as the money and sexual function exists the Sugar bowl provides everything a man needs. Who says you can't buy love? If one or the other is inadequate a sugar princess will not be there to see you into your old age.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't confuse companionship and love. Money can buy companionship, and sex, no doubt, but not love. Love is when she stays with you even without money on the table, or better yet kicks in with her own money to contribute and / or take care of you if needed. My ex-wife (who I still regard as a great woman) supported me through college when I had very little income. Real love is not easy to find, I guess that's why I place a higher value on it than sex as a commodity. But for those who have never experienced it, I can only say I hope some day you get the chance to do so.

Now if I could only find a way to satisfy my need for sexual variety without surrendering everything else that makes a committed relationship work, I would truly have my cake and eat it too. Life just doesn't work that way, I suppose.

I did a 3 day trail. What a difference. Got nothing except random emails from random people and spam. One person wrote to check her profile and see if we are compatible (she basically wanted to become a SO). When I politely declined and wished her well, she wrote me a nasty reply and blocked me. I wonder how many of them are on the site just for that.

Anyway, what a contrast with SA. That brought me two wonderful exiting young women that are fun and great company. I am still wondering if they are a dream and I will wake up soon.

It goes w / o saying, I canceled SD4 M and will keep counting my two SA blessings for a while.

Cause there is no other way to explain this one. Only downside is she does not like seconds. Good thing round one was smoking hot.

On another note, was taking a quick peek at SA, and saw a brand new profile posted by one of my boy's ex girlfriends. Yeah, the thought crossed my mind for the briefest flicker of a second.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2233863]Cause there is no other way to explain this one. Only downside is she does not like seconds. Good thing round one was smoking hot.

On another note, was taking a quick peek at SA, and saw a brand new profile posted by one of my boy's ex girlfriends. Yeah, the thought crossed my mind for the briefest flicker of a second.[/QUOTE]My experience with these types of ladies is that they aren't into either you or sex, or both. Some need a refractory period to recover from Orgasm since their lady parts are super sensitive. But we're talking 5 or 10 minutes tops.

My current SB will take anything I throw.

At or in her as often as I want. That is the spirit we are looking for. Many UTRs try to hurry me along and I suspect my previous FB just wanted to hit it and get out of there. She always had an excuse to be in a hurry. She O'd in like 5 strokes so I wondered if she faked it. I didn't pay much but She maxed out at $500/ hour based on time.

Beaches, that Babe has a banging body, I'll give you that.

I like being in a loving relationship, but being "In Love". The kind where you would work two jobs or donate a body part if you had to, to save someone, is not really what I need to be happy. And no, you can't buy love, but you can buy everything else including loyalty and grateful servitude (far higher up on my needs list). And love doesn't guarantee you bomb ass sex (my main need by far) or I guess there wouldn't be so many sugar daddy's.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2234238]I like being in a loving relationship, but being "In Love". The kind where you would work two jobs or donate a body part if you had to, to save someone, is not really what I need to be happy. And no, you can't buy love, but you can buy everything else including loyalty and grateful servitude (far higher up on my needs list). And love doesn't guarantee you bomb ass sex (my main need by far) or I guess there wouldn't be so many sugar daddy's.[/QUOTE]Love definitely does not guarantee good sex. In fact, if anything it probably chips away at the possibility of great sex, if for no other person because it implies having sex with the same person over and over (and I don't know about you guys but that takes most of the fun out of it for me).

Love also doesn't guarantee happiness. You can love someone and be completely miserable. Many parents love their kids but can't wait for them to grow up and gain some level of independence so they can have a life again.

To me, however, it's satisfying in a different way. Comparing an emotional investment to a financial one, just for a brief example: If I go on a vacation for a week and spend a few thousand dollars, I get some amount of pleasure out of it all but the pleasure ends after I return home. Maybe I have some memories or photos or whatever of the experience, but for the most part it is money out the window. If I take that same few thousand dollars and throw it into an investment or savings, etc, I get some satisfaction knowing that the money was not wasted, will most likely be worth a lot more in the future than it is today and will almost certainly come in handy having not been wasted on something so temporary as a vacation.

Sex is like that for me. It's immensely enjoyable, but after I blow my wad, if there's not something compelling about the girl's personality then I'd just as soon go to sleep, go home, watch something on TV by myself or whatever. However, in a relationship with love I get something that lasts much longer than that. I get to start my day by not only looking at a pretty face but also having her wish me a wonderful day (and really mean it, not because she wants me to help with her bills). When I want to watch TV, I don't have to watch it by myself, I can watch it with someone who has all kinds of entertaining reactions to what we're watching (something that's often more entertaining than the show or movie itself). I get to spend an hour or so in the kitchen with her jointly preparing a meal -- something in itself that is infinitely more satisfying than dining at the best restaurants available.

Basically much, much more enjoyment (in terms of overall number of hours per week of enjoyment) that I could ever get even if I had infinite funds to feed my sexual appetite. Granted, the joy of a satisfying relationship is not really enjoyable in the same way an orgasm is, but the fact that it lasts a lot longer more than offsets it.

But, more than anything, I believe that I place a higher value on love simply because it is so much harder to obtain than sex. Obtaining sex has always come easy for me -- I don't know why, it's just how things have always been. Love, however is something that is very hard for me to find within myself. For all the women I've banged, or been in any sort of relationship with, I have only been able to find myself in love with a couple of them. Compound that with the fact that just because you've found love doesn't mean the relationship will automatically work without lots of effort. So, it's the duality of the challenge that elevates the value of it for me. Finding someone I can love is rare, then the challenge of keeping the relationship together over the long haul brings out that side of me that seeks the ultimate challenge in life -- the challenge that it seems a decreasing number of people are up to in our society these days. Some people go their entire life never finding love, or being able to successfully maintain relationships. Who knows if I will even succeed in going the distance, but even if I fail I am the type that will derive a certain amount of satisfaction by knowing I tried.

Sex? Dime a dozen. I can get that any time. Yes it's fun while it lasts but most of these women (especially SBs) aren't of the caliber of person that I would want to spend significant portions of my spare time with, so for me it's mostly wham bam thank you mam and I move on to the next one. If they have delusions of winning my heart, which a lot of them seem to, then sorry honey but that side of me is already taken. Next.

"I'm sorry I just can't give my body up for 100 dollars haha. Really I just can't. Plus I need somebody I can talk to who isn't fucking 20 other girls. Sorry goodnight. ".

From a so-called NP who is really a little more UTR than she would care to admit. I am sure $$ would paper over all her concerns (but there is no game in that). She was a pretty good fuck. A mature 19 year old, maybe a 7/7/7/8. After hitting it one time I could see she wasn't down for more as she basically went radio silent. So I just randomly said Hi about a month or so later. This is why hitting them up on day one is so important if you want to get them for $.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2234400]"I'm sorry I just can't give my body up for 100 dollars haha. Really I just can't. Plus I need somebody I can talk to who isn't fucking 20 other girls. Sorry goodnight. ".

From a so-called NP who is really a little more UTR than she would care to admit. I am sure $$ would paper over all her concerns (but there is no game in that). She was a pretty good fuck. A mature 19 year old, maybe a 7/7/7/8. After hitting it one time I could see she wasn't down for more as she basically went radio silent. So I just randomly said Hi about a month or so later. This is why hitting them up on day one is so important if you want to get them for $.[/QUOTE]I would have replied "It all comes down to perspective. You'd be giving up your body but gaining some cock in the process, equalizing it out. The $100 would be like a bonus in that case".

As I am gaining more of an appreciation for the short curvy ones I am going to do an M&G with this 22 year old 5'2" busty babe. A white girl (something I have avoided for a few years now). But she is close by. I also used a condom recently and thanks to a very tight fitting kitty I was cool with it. I didn't cum till I took it of to finish with some oral. But I am getting more open minded and tired of losing out when they insist. And really I have walked more than once because of this. I am sure I could bang a lot more hotties if I just said OK. Here is her response to this issue.

"I just like to put out there that I will not (ever) have sex without protection. There is nothing that you could say to change this". Not sure if she means for oral as well? I never try to talk them out of their convictions, I just dont fuck them. I still have a killer date or two and usually they change their mind by then. If not, I move on. But I love outercourse as much as intercourse. Its definitely a good way to get to know someone and still have a great time.

But I found that if they kiss good enough or have a hot enough body (or both), I can still potentially stay interested. I am warning them though that it could go soft (LOL), but so far so good. Tried it twice recently and was OK with the results so far.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2234442]As I am gaining more of an appreciation for the short curvy ones I am going to do an M&G with this 22 year old 5'2" busty babe. A white girl (something I have avoided for a few years now). But she is close by. I also used a condom recently and thanks to a very tight fitting kitty I was cool with it. I didn't cum till I took it of to finish with some oral. But I am getting more open minded and tired of losing out when they insist. And really I have walked more than once because of this. I am sure I could bang a lot more hotties if I just said OK. Here is her response to this issue.

"I just like to put out there that I will not (ever) have sex without protection. There is nothing that you could say to change this". Not sure if she means for oral as well? I never try to talk them out of their convictions, I just dont fuck them. I still have a killer date or two and usually they change their mind by then. If not, I move on. But I love outercourse as much as intercourse. Its definitely a good way to get to know someone and still have a great time.

But I found that if they kiss good enough or have a hot enough body (or both), I can still potentially stay interested. I am warning them though that it could go soft (LOL), but so far so good. Tried it twice recently and was OK with the results so far.[/QUOTE]I am in contact with same one and offered her 1. 5 twice a month visit. Waiting for confirmation.

[QUOTE=Urtruelove78;2234481]I am in contact with same one and offered her 1. 5 twice a month visit. Waiting for confirmation.[/QUOTE]$. 5 per month or per visit?

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2234540]$. 5 per month or per visit?[/QUOTE]150 a visit. Space between 1 and 5 screwed it and I can't edit it.

[QUOTE=Urtruelove78;2234545]150 a visit. Space between 1 and 5 screwed it and I can't edit it.[/QUOTE]She is a little slow to respond. But I see she is listed under "hot locals" today, meaning her profile page is getting a lot of hits. Usually if a girl is on that page I won't even message her.

My new pet peeve. All the transsexuals on SD4M that don't identify themselves as such. It's annoying.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2234442]
"I just like to put out there that I will not (ever) have sex without protection.
.[/QUOTE]If I want to screw a girl bad enough with condomphilia I have a pack of units that have factory defects -ahem -some slight area of rot or crack that allows Fred junior to burst forth with the first few strokes. There is nothing like the feel of a naked vagina. In my dotage I can rarely cum with a condom on, so it is frustrating to say the least. I don't mind pulling out to spray her somewhere else, but the stroking has to be bare. I also have 5 full seconds of warning before ejaculation shows outside, so can take my time with the 1st 3 contractions and pull out. I get no pleasure with oral, rare I know, but can not cum that way.

Working a really cute 19 yr old latinasian. She lives out of town with parents, no car, no job, so she is not a good prospect, but I really want to sample that tight little pussy Bareback of course! Wish me luck. If I can get into he sh e might just be an occasional booty call .