"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Two trends I've noticed in dating younger women (civy, SB's and strippers) is bi-sexuality and rough sex. I've always been dominant in bed, but I am amazed that almost all of them like spanking, choking and restraining to some extent. The bi-sexuality is handy for going to strip clubs together and picking up a 3rd. If girls were like this 20 years ago, I didn't have a clue.

I'm enjoying myself now.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2228948]Its really more like 500 shades. I believe the internet is responsible for all this (based on what the young girls tell me). And thank the lord we lived long enough to experience it. Well I been sending my new intro letter here and there and for different reasons too nuanced to explain here. The one I have posted on this thread before.

Got this response yesterday.

"My reason for coming here is for the physical mostly. I've been exploring my own body. And I'm ready to share it with someone else. Emotionally. I'm going to be involved whether we become friends or lovers. Financial things come and go. So I'm not going to base a relationship off of that. ".

19 AA maybe a 7 all around so far. After a bit of txting she decided that taking any money at all would be against her morals. And she is a virgin. I have never done one, although I have talked to a few, but they always chickened out. I will update when I have more.

The one girl I see off SD4M that refuses to take any sugar, gives absolutely the best oral ever. She is not my body type physically, but i can't stop going back for more. Also on another topic, I been visiting the cam sites. They are all free to watch and it is giving me some good pointers. Also have been backing down 4 out of 5 of my regulars to about 2 visits a month, I am really curious to see what else is out there. I recently got ditched by another girl (that was becoming a regular) after 10 dates due to my inability to see her once a week. But a lot of girls are very busy and grateful to have a nice guy to see here and there. I remember when I first went in the bowl and I would see these girls profiles that wanted to see someone like once or twice a week, and thinking, this is bs, if I like some one I want to see them all the time. Not anymore[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2231427]I have a total of 10 SB's since entering the bowl and most were average to slightly above average with the sex and compatibility thing and all that. This new one, has just set the bar 30 ft higher as she has hands down been the best sexual experience of my life, bar none. To provide some insight into her, she is very light skinned Iranian girl, full time student, a solid 8 maybe 9 naked in the looks department. She is 21 5'2" 115 pounds with perfect breasts, a small bubble ass, and skin like silk.

Sexually she is submissive, she cums non stop, with no end, she is "silky-slinky with her movements, she pays attention to my mood, if I am pleased and happy, she wants me to control her, take charge. She is as kinky as they come, but in a natural manor that does not intimidate, it stimulates. Her pussy is small, tight and the most response pussy I have ever seen on any woman. It has no scent, very little taste, and is just perfect! She cries out and moans in a raw animalistic uncontrollable way we she cums. I literally cannot stop fucking this girl. And I fear I'm falling into another "relationship mode" although I know for sure this one will not be possessive and hostile if things need to end.

Every time, I think I've came as many times as I can and won't be able to get it up again, she brings me right back. I'm hard again.

So my question is, how often do you fellow SD's run into these types and how do you handle it? She is as addicting as any drug out there. But I cannot go into true relationship mode. And it's heading there.

Are girls like her in the bowl a real rarity? I ask cause I want to know if I'll ever find this again![/QUOTE]Best sex I"ve had is in the bowl. Insane oral. Non stop cumming. BDSM. Girls with perfect bodies. Me in total control. Girls fighting over each other. The gratitude in their eyes. This place rocks.

DOWNSIDE

Stalking. Begging for money. Jealousy issues. The Pros and Gold Diggers pretending to be SB's..

As far as the relationship side, I like being closer to the girls, some of them. And always have a number 1 girl.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2230893]Gents,

I could use some advice to up my SD game. Question is: to what degree do you pursue girls online? Couple of cases:

- Some girls always reply with one sentence, answering maybe one of your question. Getting the convo to move toward setting up a M&G takes forever.

- Other times, the niceties go through quickly and does the agreement to setup a M&G. Then on the day before or the day itself, communication crawls and grinds to a halt. Do you ever bother again with the same chick? Do you send a "door is always open" kinda message?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]Some of the one word, or short phrase, stuff could be because they are so used to communicating almost exclusively by texting (and to multiple people at the same time) it's they way they have learned to do everything. Agree it can be frustrating, especially when I've taken the time to type out a thoughtful reply to a question. I suspect some of the two paragraph, three sentences per, replies don't even get completely read.

I'm staying the weekend in Richmond after a northern VA business trip. This one is on the menu for tonight. She is 38 and has been texting and emailing like crazy for the last two days (and sending pictures like this). She is definitely ready to go, I hope she doesn't hurt me LOL. I know she not the spinner that many of you enjoy but I'm giving her high marks for enthusiasm:

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2231427] And I fear I'm falling into another "relationship mode"

Are girls like her in the bowl a real rarity? I ask cause I want to know if I'll ever find this again![/QUOTE]Sounds too good to be true. Ride this pony to the end. They are rare indeed and be careful not to fall "in love" I had one like her for 1 1/2 yrs and fell hard at the end. The end is always coming you know. If you are married she is dangerous because you will go to any lengths to see her more and more. If you are single you might consider marrying her LOL JK.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2220884]Anyway I kept the 19 year old updated and finally made it over to the M & G at the strip mall parking lot near her home. We talked for 90 minutes in the car interspersed with enough making out and roaming OTC to make an FC date for Friday.

This girl was maybe a 7/7/9/8 in the car and I am positive she will be a star performer in the FC. She said her main objective was to find a guy that can take her from being a girl to being a woman. She wants to learn it all and get her sexual self confidence up. She also told me not to hold back and bang away. She is perfect for what I am looking for. Celibate for 4 months. Doesn't want a BF, and doesn't want to be wined and dined. She just wants the best sex she can possibly have with someone that won't judge her and that she can feel comfortable with.

Isn't that what any sane person wants?

She has been txting me the whole time while I write this. She is so excited to start attending Hollywoods School for Girls she is not even trying to act cool about it. A true NP first timer. I was a little shakey about the M and G because I wasn't sure she was gonna be sexy enough. But its amazing how sexy a girl can look when you know she cant wait to get your dick in her mouth and between her legs for the sheer joy of it (and a little sugar ($) never hurts either).

Here is her pic (all 5' 2" of her).[/QUOTE]So after having this girl get me all excited and then turning me down after hearing how she was gonna have to this and that in bed. . She txted tonite unexpectedly and said she thought it over and as long as we didn't do anything extreme we could hook-up tonite. So I drove to get her, brought her back to the FC and had one of the best first dates ever. As promised she let me pound away on her. We went for three hours and three rounds before she said she had to go home.

She was an amazing kisser and had a really cute little body with a close to perfect pussy as you would ever want to have. I loved playing with thos fim teen tits and juicy nipplesI would say she left more than happy with a good banging and a $ in sugar. In the FC, dimly lit as it were, she was a 8/9/9/9... In the bright of day more like a 6.5/8.5/9/9... Can't wait to see her again. I am really gaining an appreciation for the curvy little girls. I like spinners and the positions you can twist them into, but this girl was right there with it. I am sure we surprised each other.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2231427]So my question is, how often do you fellow SD's run into these types and how do you handle it? She is as addicting as any drug out there. But I cannot go into true relationship mode. And it's heading there.[/QUOTE]Enjoy the present for the time it lasts. Don't over-think what's going on. Everything is temporary. A month is a long time. Take care she can't find you at work or wherever else you couldn't handle being found.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2231427]She does not care about the $, she leaves it up to me, to slip in her purse and has suggested several times, I do not need to fund her.[/QUOTE]I'm guessing you found her on pay for play website. Money is good. It keeps things in perspective. Keep doing it.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2231427]Are girls like her in the bowl a real rarity? I ask cause I want to know if I'll ever find this again![/QUOTE]Everything is temporary.

Gents,

Nothing exciting to report. I've had to cross off a few more girls off my list for being flakes. The pattern is always the same: we email and / or talk on the phone about a date one or two days away. Then, on the day of, it's impossible to reach them to confirm. Radio silence ensues.

I wonder why that is? If they have no interest in meeting, they could simply say so or at least drag their feet when we're emailing. Men would get the message. But to say "see you in the morning" then disappear is fairly annoying. Though I suspect one of them doesn't have a very stable environment, or at least nothing like her SA profile states (you can hear it in her voice), so who knows where she woke up.

Now I understand Hollywood's advice to double and triple book. It really is a numbers game.

Til next time.

SM.

I've had this happen several times. I think there are several reasons. If they are new to this, they are having second thoughts up to the last minute. Some have no respect for SD's and are actually on the site because they having given up on relationships with men among other reasons.

In either case, I always try to be very kind and understanding and give them space. The skiddish ones become more comfortable and the male bashing ones are surprised I don't get angry. Some have come around and have met up with good results.

Almost all these girls are on the sites for $'s. They almost all have some kind of background issues to overcome.

If you follow the prophets (Hollywood), he encourages to always be respectful and kind. Many of these girls have never seen that and respond well to their bad behavior.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2232896]Gents,

Nothing exciting to report. I've had to cross off a few more girls off my list for being flakes. The pattern is always the same: we email and / or talk on the phone about a date one or two days away. Then, on the day of, it's impossible to reach them to confirm. Radio silence ensues.

I wonder why that is? If they have no interest in meeting, they could simply say so or at least drag their feet when we're emailing. Men would get the message. But to say "see you in the morning" then disappear is fairly annoying. Though I suspect one of them doesn't have a very stable environment, or at least nothing like her SA profile states (you can hear it in her voice), so who knows where she woke up.

Now I understand Hollywood's advice to double and triple book. It really is a numbers game.

Til next time.

SM.[/QUOTE]

Still taking a breather from my princess (pictured). I broke up with her 2 months ago. She is a 10/10/9/5. How sad is that. In 18 months I never turned her down once but I maybe got 50% of what I needed in return. I am still hoping things can change. Our special moments were so precious. Just too infrequent and rarely if ever spontaneous. She has a few issues to deal with and she is dealing with them. I am still holding out that I can turn this around. Everyone says she was cheating or gay or isn't into me. But that's not it. I guess you would have to be there to totally get it. So for now I am staying in the understanding daddy mode. No reason to ditch her. I have my bases more than covered and she is self supporting and not asking for anything. We txt and talk everyday. I will be happy to turn the sugar back on when she is ready. But no amount of love can ease a mans sexual frustration.

As an example, I was still so turned on from the hottie last nite that I was ready to hit a pro today to calm my nerves, luckily an understanding girl popped up and provided a quicky to a friend in need, something my princess just couldn't do for me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2233361]Still taking a breather from my princess (pictured). I broke up with her 2 months ago. She is a 10/10/9/5. How sad is that. In 18 months I never turned her down once but I maybe got 50% of what I needed in return. I am still hoping things can change. Our special moments were so precious. Just too infrequent and rarely if ever spontaneous. [/QUOTE]Just move past it, my brother; there's always another around the corner but you won't see them if you keep looking back at her. I'm one of the lucky ones that I learned (slowly I'm ashamed to say) to avoid fusing my sex addiction together with my need for companionship. In all honesty, my sex drive is through the roof but so is my need for someone meaningful, and luckily I finally learned to listen to my brain and not my dick. All folks are different but my need for a quality life partner exceeds my need for variety and wild sex (it's not an easy choice sometimes, believe me, but it all comes down to willpower sometimes and calculating the long term results of eating healthy versus gorging on donuts everyday). It took decades, literally to train my brain to overcome my dick but I am making progress and I find myself happier overall as a result.

Some are unhappily married, or for whatever reason aren't here to discuss companionship outside the bowl, but if that's what anyone's looking for, I personally think the bowl is probably the worst place in the world to look for it. The bowl is for raw and uninhibited fucking experiments. The bowl is for anonymity. The bowl is for fantasy fulfillment. But, the moment anyone talks about breaking up, they are dealing with relationship considerations. Playing in the bowl should always be NO STRINGS ATTACHED. There may be times that an arrangement turns relationship, but then that is no longer playing in the bowl.

I'm struggling internally with how to convey advice without sounding condescending or pretending to understand everyone's motives. It's just my opinion that if you want something real and looking for it on a SD website it's barking up the wrong tree. If any of the girls I meet there think they should see something real in me, they certainly need a reality check so I have to assume most of them feel the same way.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2233488]Just move past it, my brother; there's always another around the corner but you won't see them if you keep looking back at her. I'm one of the lucky ones that I learned (slowly I'm ashamed to say) to avoid fusing my sex addiction together with my need for companionship. In all honesty, my sex drive is through the roof but so is my need for someone meaningful, and luckily I finally learned to listen to my brain and not my dick. All folks are different but my need for a quality life partner exceeds my need for variety and wild sex (it's not an easy choice sometimes, believe me, but it all comes down to willpower sometimes and calculating the long term results of eating healthy versus gorging on donuts everyday). It took decades, literally to train my brain to overcome my dick but I am making progress and I find myself happier overall as a result.

Some are unhappily married, or for whatever reason aren't here to discuss companionship outside the bowl, but if that's what anyone's looking for, I personally think the bowl is probably the worst place in the world to look for it. The bowl is for raw and uninhibited fucking experiments. The bowl is for anonymity. The bowl is for fantasy fulfillment. But, the moment anyone talks about breaking up, they are dealing with relationship considerations. Playing in the bowl should always be NO STRINGS ATTACHED. There may be times that an arrangement turns relationship, but then that is no longer playing in the bowl.

I'm struggling internally with how to convey advice without sounding condescending or pretending to understand everyone's motives. It's just my opinion that if you want something real and looking for it on a SD website it's barking up the wrong tree. If any of the girls I meet there think they should see something real in me, they certainly need a reality check so I have to assume most of them feel the same way.[/QUOTE]Since I have no intention of ever being in a traditional, exclusive and so-called meaningful relationship I use the bowl to satisfy all my needs (excluding work and parenting). I am probably the neediest person on the planet. LOL. I want to sample anything and everything any woman I am attracted to has to offer, emotional, physical, companionship, or whatever else they wish to share. Once I have sampled it, I pick and choose or am sometimes denied the parts of any girl I wish to continue getting lost in. I am personally a drama free person but I love all the dramas in the girls lives (short of anything illegal). I have no problem telling 5 girls a day how much I love them and getting it back in kind.

Is an LSD trip real?. It is when you're on it. To me everything is real, unreal and surreal all at the same time. I construct, deconstruct (and my new favorite to hate word) re-imagine my life on an hourly basis. It's all just a dream I walk in and out of whenever I feel like it. But as far as a quality life partner, I do live with a girl, who is my best friend and confidant. She is the female version of me as far as the sugar world goes and the way she lives her life. We are risk taking, thrill seeking, heart breaking and heart broken creatures of comfort, all atop the Hollywood Hills. It's deadly serious and meaningless at the same time except as it alters our mood, preferably on demand. I think we thrive on emotional instability within our relationships except when it comes to each other.

I am just an escape artist always looking for and sometimes becoming the next trick. I may prefer to be the master of my universe but I love the ride as much as I do trying to be in the here and now, wherever that is. Like one of my x's used to annoyingly say after giving me her view of anything "Does that make any sense?"

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2233498]Since I have no intention of ever being in a traditional, exclusive and so-called meaningful relationship I use the bowl to satisfy all my needs (excluding work and parenting). I am probably the neediest person on the planet. LOL. I want to sample anything and everything any woman I am attracted to has to offer, emotional, physical, companionship, or whatever else they wish to share. Once I have sampled it, I pick and choose or am sometimes denied the parts of any girl i wish to continue getting lost in. I am personally a drama free person but I love all the dramas in the girls lives (short of anything illegal). I have no problem telling 5 girls a day how much I love them and getting it back in kind.

Is an LSD trip real?. It is when you're on it. To me everything is real, unreal and surreal all at the same time. I construct, deconstruct (and my new favorite to hate word) re-imagine my life on an hourly basis. It's all just a dream I walk in and out of whenever I feel like it. But as far as a quality life partner, I do live with a girl, who is my best friend and confidant. She is the female version of me as far as the sugar world goes and the way she lives her life (we are two of a kind). We are risk taking, thrill seeking, heart breaking and heart broken, creatures of comfort all atop the hollywood hills. It's deadly serious and meaningless at the same time except as it alters our mood, preferably on demand. I think we thrive on emotional instability except when it comes to each other. I am just an escape artist always looking for and sometimes becoming the next trick.

I may prefer to be the master of my universe but I love the ride as much as I do trying to be in the here and now, wherever that is.[/QUOTE]Whenever anyone tells me they are happy with the status quo, I always say keep doing what you're doing, but I still do believe that if you find yourself thinking in terms of words like sad, regret, hoping things will change, etc. , then it's best to look forward and not back. Especially if you're good at not taking it all too seriously, as you seem to be.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2233507]Whenever anyone tells me they are happy with the status quo, I always say keep doing what you're doing, but I still do believe that if you find yourself thinking in terms of words like sad, regret, hoping things will change, etc. , then it's best to look forward and not back. Especially if you're good at not taking it all too seriously, as you seem to be.[/QUOTE]I am never happy with the status quo (the ultimate definition of the word boring). I am an adventurer into the human psyche and all that goes with it. There is no joy with out pain. No reward without risk. I am in the game of life, liberty and the pursuit of pussy (and sometimes the rest of the girl surrounding it). But I gotta go as my princess is stopping by after a modeling shoot.

But getting back to the bowl, you better have a thick skin and the ability to shed it on a moments notice. And I do.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2233361]Still taking a breather from my princess (pictured). I broke up with her 2 months ago. She is a 10/10/9/5. How sad is that. In 18 months I never turned her down once but I maybe got 50% of what I needed in return. I am still hoping things can change. Our special moments were so precious. Just too infrequent and rarely if ever spontaneous. She has a few issues to deal with and she is dealing with them. I am still holding out that I can turn this around. Everyone says she was cheating or gay or isn't into me. But that's not it. I guess you would have to be there to totally get it. So for now I am staying in the understanding daddy mode. No reason to ditch her. I have my bases more than covered and she is self supporting and not asking for anything. We txt and talk everyday. I will be happy to turn the sugar back on when she is ready. But no amount of love can ease a mans sexual frustration.

As an example, I was still so turned on from the hottie last nite that I was ready to hit a pro today to calm my nerves, luckily an understanding girl popped up and provided a quicky to a friend in need, something my princess just couldn't do for me.[/QUOTE]Sweet looking thing Dave. Too bad its another whack job with a pretty face LOL.

PC out.