[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803726]Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.[/QUOTE]And what does that come out to percentage wise??
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[QUOTE=CrestWood87;5803726]Over 1200 died during the trials of Pfizer's vaccine yet they still released it please go sit your ass down somewhere and shut the fuck up about a goddamn shot.[/QUOTE]And what does that come out to percentage wise??
The things Biden has done in just his first year.
The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.
The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.
Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.
Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.
An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.
Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.
Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.
Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969. When the President took office, over 18 million were receiving unemployment benefits, today only 2 million area also the biggest single year drop in history.
Economic Legislation Passed: Most significant by economic impact of any first-year president.
Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021. Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.
Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.
Judges Confirmed: More judges confirmed to lower federal courts than any president since President Kennedy.
Judges That Reflect Our Nation: More Black women appointed to the USA Court of Appeals than any president even over 8 years in history.
Cabinet: First majority non-white Cabinet in history, with most women in the Cabinet, including first woman Treasury Secretary, first LGBTQ+ and Native American Cabinet officials, and first woman Director of National Intelligence.
Climate Investments: Largest investments ever in the power grid, electric vehicle chargers, and climate resilience.
Clean Water: Largest investment and national, bipartisan plan to get safe and clean drinking water to all Americans.
Cleaner Cars: Strongest vehicle emissions standards ever to save drivers money at the pump and reduce pollution. Wind: First-ever approvals of large-scale offshore wind projects.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804036]Oh I read the article, and most importantly, I actually looked at the data for myself, something you're incapable of doing. You have to have someone else interpret it for you, just like the responses you take as gospel in this case, instead of the data that staring you in the face. If you had bothered to do YOUR research, you would have seen the authors' refutation of these attempts at censorship, which of course were to expected from the ilk of those like you.
And you are a coward. I take back what I said earlier about your motives for getting the vaccine. I now believe it was entirely self-serving and out of cowardice. You've proven yourself a coward, and too small of a person to admit that I've already shown you to be a fool when you stubbornly stuck to your position that the vaccines prevented transmission in the face of all evidence presented to the contrary. Why? Because just like your flimsy "evidence" below, some talking head promoting the narrative told you what to think, and you're too stupid to know any better. Why should anybody listen to you, when you're the one who's been proven to be incapable of any kind of critical thinking? This is evidence of what a gullible fool you are, and even if you are too much of a coward to admit it, I'll continue to remind you:
[URL]https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-director-covid-vaccines-cant-prevent-transmission-anymore/ar-AASDndg[/URL][/QUOTE]Think of me what you will. Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. But as I said earlier, you are a waste of my time and I will not interact with you further. If you so hate what I have to say, just delete me from the list of people who's posts you receive.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804601]The things Biden has done in just his first year.
The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.
The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.
Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.
Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.
An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.
Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.
Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history.
Unemployment Claims: The average number of Americans filing for unemployment has been near its lowest level since 1969. When the President took office, over 18 million were receiving unemployment benefits, today only 2 million area also the biggest single year drop in history.
Economic Legislation Passed: Most significant by economic impact of any first-year president.
Child Poverty: Experts estimate the lowest child poverty rate ever in 2021. Expanded Access to Health Care: Nearly 5 million Americans have newly gained health insurance coverage.
Reduced Hunger: The number of households reporting that they sometimes or often did not have enough food to eat dropped by 32%.
Judges Confirmed: More judges confirmed to lower federal courts than any president since President Kennedy.
Judges That Reflect Our Nation: More Black women appointed to the USA Court of Appeals than any president even over 8 years in history.
Cabinet: First majority non-white Cabinet in history, with most women in the Cabinet, including first woman Treasury Secretary, first LGBTQ+ and Native American Cabinet officials, and first woman Director of National Intelligence.
Climate Investments: Largest investments ever in the power grid, electric vehicle chargers, and climate resilience.
Clean Water: Largest investment and national, bipartisan plan to get safe and clean drinking water to all Americans.
Cleaner Cars: Strongest vehicle emissions standards ever to save drivers money at the pump and reduce pollution. Wind: First-ever approvals of large-scale offshore wind projects.[/QUOTE]The jobs data is very nuanced. He came in as we were coming out of isolation. I really can't give him or his policies full credit for the jobs data.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804472]This has been mention to you before and I'll stated it again VAERS database is completely useless since ANYONE can go that site and make a false claim, so tell you what how about you go to legitimate sources to try back up those numbers oh wait there are ain't the vaccine is safe move on.[/QUOTE]This has been told to you before, and I'll state it again, VAERS database has been used for decades and is THE baseline for all vaccines, so it is absolutely valid and a legitimate, which is why it's used by the CDC. It's funny how you cling to the CDC as your authoritative source when it supports your narrative, but shout it down when it doesn't. Comparatively speaking, VAERS reporting has not changed. Besides which, it has been shown that 84% of the VAERS reports for the Covid vaccines were filled out by physicians, so stop with your bullshit coverup. The vaccines are not safe.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804601]The things Biden has done in just his first year.
The $1. 9 trillion Covid relief deal.
The $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill.
Getting 72 percent of American adults fully vaccinated.
Getting federal judges appointed and confirmed.
An economy where the unemployment rate has dropped to 4. 2 percent.
Jobs: President Biden's first year was the greatest year of job creation in American history, with more than 6 million jobs created.
Unemployment Rate: The unemployment rate dropped from 6. 2% when Biden took office to 3. 9%, the biggest single year drop in American history. .[/QUOTE]Where should I start picking this apart?
Job creation, unemployment rate, unemployment claims? All of these are tied together, creation of jobs is defined as? People returning to active employment after being shut out because of Covid is NOT job creation, it will reduce the unemployment rate and claims rate. But that's a 100% bullshit claim IMHO.
1. 9 trillion in new debt is what the Covid relief should read.
Getting federal judges confirmed and appointed? That REALLY helps us out doesn't it. NO, it's what Presidents are supposed to do anyway.
Child Poverty? WTH is that? I don't know of any 14 year olds with an apartment, mortgage, car payments or bank account- Bullshit statistic.
Reduced hunger? Jeez if I handed out 4 figure checks to every household in the country I could claim the same thing, folks are going to go buy flat screen TV's, and lobster freaking dinners. DUH!
Judges AGAIN? Bullshit statistic, he was just doing what he is supposed to do.
Cabinet members of color? Who gives a rats ass if they are qualified to do the job they are appointed to, NOT me. Appointed based on skin color, totally a pandering move.
Power grid, electric chargers and climate resilience- If you install an ass load of electric vehicle charging stations (that cost to use them), you automatically invest the power grid. Climate resilience?? WTH is that, nobody has figured out a way to actually control sunlight and the weather. More bullshit fluff.
Clean water-Flint, Michigan. Nuff said.
Cleaner cars- AT who's expense?
Give me a reason to appreciate Joe and I will. So far nothing he has done is overly impressive.
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5804603]Think of me what you will. Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. But as I said earlier, you are a waste of my time and I will not interact with you further. If you so hate what I have to say, just delete me from the list of people who's posts you receive.[/QUOTE]The accuracy of what I have to say stands on its own, and has been proven. As has the inaccuracy of what you've had to say. And I'm not name calling, I'm just calling it as I see it. You made similar assertions about me in the past, and the accuracy of my information vs. Yours, and you were the one proven to have egg on your face with your "credible" sources. I gave you mutliple opportunities to big enough to admit, but you are too much of a coward to do so. And you're a hypocrite to boot, as you're the one who started the finger pointing with your holier-than-thou attitude, taking the high road about how morally superior you were, and calling others tin-foil-hat wearers. Fuck off.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804643]This has been told to you before, and I'll state it again, VAERS database has been used for decades and is THE baseline for all vaccines, so it is absolutely valid and a legitimate, which is why it's used by the CDC. It's funny how you cling to the CDC as your authoritative source when it supports your narrative, but shout it down when it doesn't. Comparatively speaking, VAERS reporting has not changed. Besides which, it has been shown that 84% of the VAERS reports for the Covid vaccines were filled out by physicians, so stop with your bullshit coverup. The vaccines are not safe.[/QUOTE]I'll reiterate that nothing epitomizes your approach to data like how you've handled the CDC's data:
1: You dismiss the CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.
2: Your interpretation of VAERS data is "anyone who died =after getting the vaccine was killed by the vaccine". You previously claimed "I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19. " but are now casually applying that same logic you (baselessly) accused the CDC of using.
When asked to delineate between "died WITH vaccination" vs "died OF vaccination" the CDC says the death count is just 3, all of them the Johnson and Johnson one, which has consistently been the one that's raised concerns over blood clots. This isn't even the first or second time that Reuters has had to debunk this, but as is clearly stated:
FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
The VAERS data is an all-inclusive "ANY death after Covid-19 vaccination" standard. You are interpreting this as meaning 100% of deaths or close to it are from vaccinations, while rejecting the far lower official figures. And fittingly enough, something like 80%+ of those deaths are indeed elderly people who are for obvious reasons more death-prone than the overall population.
The Covid-19 death data is not "anyone who died after contracting Covid-19" but straight from the mouths of doctor pronouncing cause of death, which you are accusing professionals of systematically lying because reasons. Or perhaps you are just rejecting the CDC who compiles the overall numbers. The same CDC for whom you are using VAERS data as a source.
Why you are doing this is pretty obvious. The breakthrough deaths figure contradicts your ideological worldview, so you accuse the CDC of falsely pushing it to serve a political agenda. The VAERS deaths figure as 'interpreted' by you aligns with your ideological worldview, so you assume it to be 100% valid and have no ulterior motive despite coming from the same source, who by your own logic should have just buried the VAERS data entirely.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-over-2000-deaths-due-to-covid-19-vaccines-in-july-2021-idUSL1N2PB2H3[/URL]
[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-thousands-died-from-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY[/URL]
The vaccine is safe take the shot.
None of what you say has any validity to my point, and I never made the claims that you state I made. Typical attempt to twist and distort. The claim I did make is that comparatively speaking, the VAERS process has not changed over the years for all the vaccines. The Covid vaccines have recorded more deaths in the VAERS database in the first 7 months of rollout than all other vaccines combined in the last 40 years. Now, you explain to me why these vaccines are such outliers, and have more than a 10 x incidence rate than all other vaccines combined together?
VAERS data for Covid vaccines is well-known to be vastly underreported by doctors because of the intense pressure to do so.
Why I am doing this is because I'm interested in the truth, and not the bullshit being pumped out by stooges like you. And the truth will come out eventually, no matter how hard you try to spin or suppress it.
No, they're not safe, make up your own mind whether you want to take the shot or not.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804672]I'll reiterate that nothing epitomizes your approach to data like how you've handled the CDC's data:
1: You dismiss the CDC's breakthrough deaths vs overall deaths figure out of hand, while demanding that I take your interpretation of the CDC's VAERS data dead seriously.
2: Your interpretation of VAERS data is "anyone who died =after getting the vaccine was killed by the vaccine". You previously claimed "I will grant you that hundreds of thousands of people have died "WITH" Covid19 but I guarantee you that that number is a minor percent when you say that they died "OF" Covid19. " but are now casually applying that same logic you (baselessly) accused the CDC of using.
When asked to delineate between "died WITH vaccination" vs "died OF vaccination" the CDC says the death count is just 3, all of them the Johnson and Johnson one, which has consistently been the one that's raised concerns over blood clots. This isn't even the first or second time that Reuters has had to debunk this, but as is clearly stated:
FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it is unclear whether the vaccine was the cause.
The VAERS data is an all-inclusive "ANY death after Covid-19 vaccination" standard. You are interpreting this as meaning 100% of deaths or close to it are from vaccinations, while rejecting the far lower official figures. And fittingly enough, something like 80%+ of those deaths are indeed elderly people who are for obvious reasons more death-prone than the overall population.
The Covid-19 death data is not "anyone who died after contracting Covid-19" but straight from the mouths of doctor pronouncing cause of death, which you are accusing professionals of systematically lying because reasons. Or perhaps you are just rejecting the CDC who compiles the overall numbers. The same CDC for whom you are using VAERS data as a source.
Why you are doing this is pretty obvious. The breakthrough deaths figure contradicts your ideological worldview, so you accuse the CDC of falsely pushing it to serve a political agenda. The VAERS deaths figure as 'interpreted' by you aligns with your ideological worldview, so you assume it to be 100% valid and have no ulterior motive despite coming from the same source, who by your own logic should have just buried the VAERS data entirely.
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19-vaers/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-over-2000-deaths-due-to-covid-19-vaccines-in-july-2021-idUSL1N2PB2H3[/URL]
[URL] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-vaers/fact-check-reports-of-adverse-effects-in-us-database-arent-confirmed-to-be-linked-to-vaccination-idUSKBN2AE0QQ[/URL]
[URL]https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths/fact-check-vaers-data-does-not-prove-thousands-died-from-receiving-covid-19-vaccines-idUSL1N2LV0NY[/URL]
The vaccine is safe take the shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bullett64;5804603]Your name-calling does not add to the accuracy of your position. In fact, it makes you sound desperate and insecure. B[/QUOTE]It's not name calling. He's not calling you a coward, he's saying you are a coward. There's a difference.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804472]VAERS database is completely useless since ANYONE can go that site and make a false claim[/QUOTE]VAERS data was fine until now? The means of reporting are same as have been. Who are these people that under penalty of a federal crime are making false claims, including death, to VAERS?
[QUOTE=Shabihoohoo;5804514]She was only there two days. Saturday and Sunday. Want to try again?.[/QUOTE]I saw the girl, and she remembered me. I've got nothing else to say man. For the sake of the board I am going to remove myself from this convo and focus on getting massages and reporting back to help the board. I think the Senior members would appreciate it.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804699]None of what you say has any validity to my point, and I never made the claims that you state I made. Typical attempt to twist and distort. The claim I did make is that comparatively speaking, the VAERS process has not changed over the years for all the vaccines. The Covid vaccines have recorded more deaths in the VAERS database in the first 7 months of rollout than all other vaccines combined in the last 40 years. Now, you explain to me why these vaccines are such outliers, and have more than a 10 x incidence rate than all other vaccines combined together?
Why I am doing this is because I'm interested in the truth, and not the bullshit being pumped out by stooges like you. And the truth will come out eventually, no matter how hard you try to spin or suppress it.
No, they're not safe, make up your own mind whether you want to take the shot or not.[/QUOTE]
Once again the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) does NOT support the FALSE claims that thousands have died from COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can make a submission to the VAERS database. Cases are not fact-checked, making them scientifically unreliable. According to the CDC, a review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsies, and medical records, has NOT established a causal link to covid-19 vaccines. Also I'll stated once again the CDC has ALWAYS stated that it is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event, or how common the event might be.
I do not understand why you can't accept this? 72% of the population of the US have been vaccinated we are not dying on mass nor developing health problems on mass you're not interested in the truth you're interested in YOUR version "the truth" which are delusional lies. The vaccine are safe, move on.
[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5804699]VAERS data for Covid vaccines is well-known to be vastly underreported by doctors because of the intense pressure to do so.[/QUOTE]
What a blatant lie.
[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5804759]VAERS data was fine until now? The means of reporting are same as have been. [/QUOTE]Yes until Antivaxxers came along on mass thanks to the former guy.
[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5804795]Yes until Antivaxxers came along on mass thanks to the former guy.[/QUOTE]Trump supporters are filing false claims to VAERS because suddenly they're anti vaxxers because Trump admin created this shot? Don't lose your govt job.