"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2228506]My newest 21 year old sugar baby is blowing my mind and the next on my list I've been texting has even more. Both look like they just stepped out of "hot nun school" conservatively dressed, wear glasses, meek, mild mannered. Both want me to tie them up, fulfill a light rape fantasy, gag them, fuck their face and force cum down their throats. I am not joking about this. It's is blowing my mind what these girls are into and want these days. They are outright actively looking for it. One after another.

So I've began asking them, how, or what happened to make them want sex this way. Both described meeting someone into dominate sex and that they tested their limits, taking total control and something just switched on inside them.

I have truly awoken to the twilight zone. It's like I'm entirely having to relearn how to have sex with women of this age group and honestly, I'm not entirely sure I like it. Are these girls just fucked up, or is this truly the way women have always been wired inside and I just missed the entire ship?[/QUOTE]I think some women are just wired this way. Exposure to porn has made them feel licensed to request things they might have felt culturally restricted to request or try before. I remember being a freshman in high school, and a girlfriend I had that was only a year older than me decided she had a rape fantasy -- this was revealed to me only about six months after I took her virginity. Consider the age bracket and level of experience in question as I talk about this.

She wanted it to be as realistic as possible, preferably with me gaining entry into her house at a time when her parents weren't there but when she didn't expect it and catching her by surprise, rough enough to make it realistically forcible (but not rough enough to cause injury), with me never coming out of character of "the stranger". She literally wanted to know what it was like to get fucked against her will. Well we did some kinky shit but never were able to enact that particular fantasy -- there were a number of obstacles like of course the risk of me getting shot by her parents or a neighbor, the fact I wasn't old enough to have a drivers license at the time, etc.

As far as her porn exposure, I know for a fact her first viewing of a porn video took place at my house, and they were pretty much mainstream porn (nothing rough) so this idea came to her some other way. This girl was not a notable wild child or anything like todays SB or UTR girl. She had 2-3 long term boyfriends after me in high school, went to a good college paid in full by parents and got a great job (now married with kids). Just mainstream middle class girl.

So, I think the desire is always there in some of them. What we see now is more of a manifestation of it and some ideas inspired by porn exposure. Girls never made intentional gagging noises and spit on cock while deep throating until they watched enough porn to become interested in reenacting some of the things they saw there.

This is one of the things I mean by it's not always a good thing. Personally I would rather these girls just be who they are in bed. Some will want it rougher, some not so rough.

Individuality is much more sexy than formulaic routines inspired by whatever the latest mainstream porn trend is. Things lose value to me once they've "gone viral" and everybody is doing them. Female porn stars now routinely practice "squirting" because its currently popular. I'd rather see genuine creativity in bed. Individual desires are far more sexy.

These days porn has been turned into an assembly-line process, where female porn stars feel the need to practice the techniques that appeal to viewers and male porn stars have to use drugs just to get the job done. Why anyone would want to imitate that is beyond me.

Its really more like 500 shades. I believe the internet is responsible for all this (based on what the young girls tell me). And thank the lord we lived long enough to experience it. Well I been sending my new intro letter here and there and for different reasons too nuanced to explain here. The one I have posted on this thread before.

Got this response yesterday.

"My reason for coming here is for the physical mostly. I've been exploring my own body. And I'm ready to share it with someone else. Emotionally. I'm going to be involved whether we become friends or lovers. Financial things come and go. So I'm not going to base a relationship off of that. ".

19 AA maybe a 7 all around so far. After a bit of txting she decided that taking any money at all would be against her morals. And she is a virgin. I have never done one, although I have talked to a few, but they always chickened out. I will update when I have more.

The one girl I see off SD4M that refuses to take any sugar, gives absolutely the best oral ever. She is not my body type physically, but i can't stop going back for more. Also on another topic, I been visiting the cam sites. They are all free to watch and it is giving me some good pointers. Also have been backing down 4 out of 5 of my regulars to about 2 visits a month, I am really curious to see what else is out there. I recently got ditched by another girl (that was becoming a regular) after 10 dates due to my inability to see her once a week. But a lot of girls are very busy and grateful to have a nice guy to see here and there. I remember when I first went in the bowl and I would see these girls profiles that wanted to see someone like once or twice a week, and thinking, this is bs, if I like some one I want to see them all the time. Not anymore

Would someone kindly spell out "FC"? It's resisted my search efforts, and it baffles Google. For bonus points, could it be added to the Abbreviations page?

Thanks,

SM.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2228986]Would someone kindly spell out "FC"? It's resisted my search efforts, and it baffles Google. For bonus points, could it be added to the Abbreviations page?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]Commonly referred to as Fuck Chamber. Hope that helps.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/daddies-date-babies-documentary_n_5785442.html?utm_hp_ref=love--sex[/URL]

For what it's worth, Ms Wood would not have been dissatisfied if she had seen me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2211520]Great conversation starter. Use it verbatim for all I care. Posted before, but posting it again.

Hi. Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real Chemistry. I also have an understanding and giving nature combined with years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe and nurturing environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?[/QUOTE]I'd like to call dibs on this convo starter in the Greater Boston region. I have a few experiments in flight. I want to see what kind of reactions it gets.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2229643][URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/09/daddies-date-babies-documentary_n_5785442.html?utm_hp_ref=love--sex[/URL]

For what it's worth, Ms Wood would not have been dissatisfied if she had seen me.[/QUOTE]She is just looking to make money by trying to expose the situation. She even has it out on Kickstarter to get funding for her "documentary movie".

[URL]https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1042361708/daddies-date-babies-a-documentary[/URL]

Just a little update.

I usually like the thin Spinner types but tonight I have an appointment set to go play with These.

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Meet through Sugar Daddy Today which is the most active in my local area for some reason.

Any way I will report after.

Met up with this one last night in Vienna. Second time around (first time she was visiting family in HR last month). Single mom, 29, beautiful face and very curvy. All natural. Amazing DT skills. Gave her $$ for all night in my hotel. Will see her again soon I hope.

Gents,

I could use some advice to up my SD game. Question is: to what degree do you pursue girls online? Couple of cases:

- Some girls always reply with one sentence, answering maybe one of your question. Getting the convo to move toward setting up a M&G takes forever.

- Other times, the niceties go through quickly and does the agreement to setup a M&G. Then on the day before or the day itself, communication crawls and grinds to a halt. Do you ever bother again with the same chick? Do you send a "door is always open" kinda message?

Thanks,

SM.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2230893]Gents,

I could use some advice to up my SD game. Question is: to what degree do you pursue girls online? Couple of cases:

- Some girls always reply with one sentence, answering maybe one of your question. Getting the convo to move toward setting up a M&G takes forever.

- Other times, the niceties go through quickly and does the agreement to setup a M&G. Then on the day before or the day itself, communication crawls and grinds to a halt. Do you ever bother again with the same chick? Do you send a "door is always open" kinda message?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]If I am trying to have a conversation with a POT and I get one or two word answers, I just walk away (so to speak) I find it really annoying when the SB is the one who initiates the contact and still offers one or two word answers to my response.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2230893]Gents,

I could use some advice to up my SD game. Question is: to what degree do you pursue girls online? Couple of cases:

- Some girls always reply with one sentence, answering maybe one of your question. Getting the convo to move toward setting up a M&G takes forever.

- Other times, the niceties go through quickly and does the agreement to setup a M&G. Then on the day before or the day itself, communication crawls and grinds to a halt. Do you ever bother again with the same chick? Do you send a "door is always open" kinda message?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]I don't so a lot of chasing. Double book your dates on a given day (even triple). One of them is bound to flake. (sometimes all three). And if you have to piss someone off. Better them than you. Blame is on the kid, the wife or whatever. If you wanna take the risk, send them a jackson via greendot to smooth things over. If they dont have a green dot even better. You still look sincere in the end.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2228948]Got this response yesterday.

"My reason for coming here is for the physical mostly. I've been exploring my own body. And I'm ready to share it with someone else. Emotionally. I'm going to be involved whether we become friends or lovers. Financial things come and go. So I'm not going to base a relationship off of that. ".

19 AA maybe a 7 all around so far. After a bit of txting she decided that taking any money at all would be against her morals. And she is a virgin. I have never done one, although I have talked to a few, but they always chickened out. I will update when I have more.[/QUOTE]So I finally went and did my M & G with the virgin, a real live virgin. Anyway the chemistry was there. I met her out in front of moms house (she was gone). We talked for a half hour and then made out like teenagers in the back seat of the car. Except only one of us was a teenager and it was in the front seat.

Her kissing skills werent bad and I know I can make them better. She was so eager and shy. Her be cups were so nice and firm. She was moaning like she was going to cum as I sucked on them. I pusher her leg to thew side and rubbed on her pussy OTC and she didn't push my hand away.

She had to go back inside to watch her little brother and sister, so I went home, and reasonably happy. Didn't even consider asking for a BJ, too crass. Also this is a NO sugar arrangement. She just wants to find an experienced guy to make her feel like a woman.

She was very sexy from the waist up but definitely thick from the waist down. Can't wait to feel that virgin pussy. She already broke it in with a toy or two so there shouldn't be any old school first time penetration drama.

I couldn't agree more. The one or two word responses means they really aren't interested, can't hold a conversation or most likely a high volume girl that doesn't have time to communicate at length with any one client.

[QUOTE=Rouleur;2230907]If I am trying to have a conversation with a POT and I get one or two word answers, I just walk away (so to speak) I find it really annoying when the SB is the one who initiates the contact and still offers one or two word answers to my response.[/QUOTE]

I have had a total of 10 SB's since entering the bowl and most were average to slightly above average with the sex and compatibility thing and all that. This new one, has just set the bar 30 ft higher as she has hands down been the best sexual experience of my life, bar none. To provide some insight into her, she is very light skinned Iranian girl, full time student, a solid 8 maybe 9 naked in the looks department. She is 21 5'2" 115 pounds with perfect breasts, a small bubble ass, and skin like silk.

Sexually she is submissive, she cums non stop, with no end, she is "silky-slinky with her movements, she pays attention to my mood, if I am pleased and happy, she wants me to control her, take charge. She is as kinky as they come, but in a natural manor that does not intimidate, it stimulates. Her pussy is small, tight and the most response pussy I have ever seen on any woman. It has no scent, very little taste, and is just perfect! She cries out and moans in a raw animalistic uncontrollable way we she cums. I literally cannot stop fucking this girl. And I fear I'm falling into another "relationship mode" although I know for sure this one will not be possessive and hostile if things need to end.

Every time, I think I've came as many times as I can and won't be able to get it up again, she brings me right back. I'm hard again.

So my question is, how often do you fellow SD's run into these types and how do you handle it? She is as addicting as any drug out there. But I cannot go into true relationship mode. And it's heading there. She does not care about the $, she leaves it up to me, to slip in her purse and has suggested several times, I do not need to fund her.

Are girls like her in the bowl a real rarity? I ask cause I want to know if I'll ever find this again!