Rants and Raves

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5795185]No you don't, and no it isn't.

No it's not and no you don't.

Sorry to inform you but it's your lot that's on the side of dictators.

Given by what your saying about this country that isn't true, YES!

You are the minority and we the majority, we will defeat you.[/QUOTE]You just keep on believing what CNN and MSNBC spoon feed you. If you really believe that 75% of this country believes as you do and sides with the planned destruction of America by this administration then you have travelled far beyond the realm of derangement into the Lala land of dysfunctional trolldom. Beyond laughable. Or maybe you just don't have anything better to do than to be a leftist scold. No credibility but you do perform that function very well.

Notice how the Libs and Pinkoes are trying to turn the conversation away from the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Jan 6th has nothing to do with Putin's.

Attack on free peoples.

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5795694]Charges are not convictions. As I stated, ZERO have been convicted of insurrection or sedition. Because there is no case, the feds threaten with that then let them plead out, vast majority to misdemeanors. Please, get an education. I sat on many court martials where the soldiers was charged or indicted on something and walked away scot free because there was no case.

Read my words again, very slowly if need be and maybe even get a dictionary.

"How many have been convicted of insurrection? ZERO.

Are you beginning to see a pattern. There was no freaking insurrection and there will not be a single conviction for such. Get over it. ".[/QUOTE]It's pretty common for hardliners such as yourself to set standards of evidence that are impossible to reach.

"Charges aren't convictions. ".

"Plea deals aren't convictions. ".

"Convictions won't count until they're fully appealed. ".

And then it still won't count to you because it was a biased judge / jury or a bad defense or a corrupt prosecutor or something else. Truthfully these guys getting convicted won't mean anything to you.

I know you'll dismiss this. So you can keep telling yourself whatever stories makes you happy, but that won't change reality, and that is a insurrection happen on Jan 6, get over it.

Also while you may have experience with court martials, you are not a jag, or at least you have not said anything to imply you are one. Operating on the assumption you are not a jag they shouldn't act as if they have legal understanding of cases, and if you are a jag you definitely shouldn't speculate about a case they are not familiar with.

Second, if those charged take a plea deal, why would the feds accept it if they were not getting info on someone they wanted more. Feds aren't in the habit of letting people walk unless they have bigger fish to fry.

Third, civil cases on average take 2-3 years in the US court system, and while criminal cases take less time, typically .5-1 years on average, the scale of those charged has steadily increased since the first related cases were brought. If you wish to educate yourself selves go to Capitol Breach Cases, under the DoJ's Attorney's Office, District of Colombia. That has the full list of federal cases associated with Jan 6, the charges, their individual status, and filing documents associated. I am not going to go through the 650+ cases listed and break down how many of those who pleaded guilty (200+) were charged with 'serious' crimes. I'm not going to go through the 350+ who've pleaded not guilty and went on to prove the feds had no case. Because honestly, I don't care enough to. I trust the legal system and the DoJ to do their jobs in this matter without interference on my part.

Although I think this headline is a bit over the top, it's clear more and more countries are admitting the vaccines were a failure in conferring immunity, and are throwing in the towel on the mandates and restrictions.

[URL]https://onemileatatime.com/news/iceland-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions/[/URL]

Meanwhile, I continue to think we're only just seeing the tip of the iceberg wrt to the vaccines and their side effects. Similar to the data from North American insurers, German insurers are starting to note worrisome figures in their statistics:

[URL]https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/plus237106177/Coronavirus-Mehr-Impf-Nebenwirkungen-als-bisher-bekannt.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796011]Although I think this headline is a bit over the top, it's clear more and more countries are admitting the vaccines were a failure in conferring immunity, and are throwing in the towel on the mandates and restrictions.

[URL]https://onemileatatime.com/news/iceland-lifts-coronavirus-restrictions/[/URL]

[/QUOTE]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]Quit your shit Russia is killing people. Vaccines. Really? Is that all you have beside name calling.

[QUOTE=ComTech42;5796277]Quit your shit Russia is killing people. Vaccines. Really? Is that all you have beside name calling.[/QUOTE]I'm aware about Russia and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately but I can correct people giving out misinformation about the vaccine and I'm also not seeing you complain about I Luv Emall bring up the vaccines just me, I guess you never heard of double standards?

A conviction is a conviction. It means, in the eyes of the law, they are guilty. End of discussion. If, later one the conviction is overturned, then and only then is the equation changed. The majority are pleading guilty to minor offences, mostly trespassing type laws which they are guilty of. As stated, one or two are guilty of assaulting an officer and I have no pity for them. So please, do not try to put words in my mouth. I made my original statement quite clear, so far, no one has been convicted of insurrection or sedition. Additionally, please tell me any other time in American history where citizens were being held in such conditions for over a year awaiting arraignment much less a trial? When have we, as a Constitutional Republic ever forced prisoners to read specifically slanted political material before allowing their case into court?

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5795982]It's pretty common for hardliners such as yourself to set standards of evidence that are impossible to reach.

"Charges aren't convictions. ".

"Plea deals aren't convictions. ".

"Convictions won't count until they're fully appealed. ".

And then it still won't count to you because it was a biased judge / jury or a bad defense or a corrupt prosecutor or something else. Truthfully these guys getting convicted won't mean anything to you.

I know you'll dismiss this. So you can keep telling yourself whatever stories makes you happy, but that won't change reality, and that is a insurrection happen on Jan 6, get over it.

Also while you may have experience with court martials, you are not a jag, or at least you have not said anything to imply you are one. Operating on the assumption you are not a jag they shouldn't act as if they have legal understanding of cases, and if you are a jag you definitely shouldn't speculate about a case they are not familiar with.

Second, if those charged take a plea deal, why would the feds accept it if they were not getting info on someone they wanted more. Feds aren't in the habit of letting people walk unless they have bigger fish to fry.

Third, civil cases on average take 2-3 years in the US court system, and while criminal cases take less time, typically .5-1 years on average, the scale of those charged has steadily increased since the first related cases were brought. If you wish to educate yourself selves go to Capitol Breach Cases, under the DoJ's Attorney's Office, District of Colombia. That has the full list of federal cases associated with Jan 6, the charges, their individual status, and filing documents associated. I am not going to go through the 650+ cases listed and break down how many of those who pleaded guilty (200+) were charged with 'serious' crimes. I'm not going to go through the 350+ who've pleaded not guilty and went on to prove the feds had no case. Because honestly, I don't care enough to. I trust the legal system and the DoJ to do their jobs in this matter without interference on my part.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".

I think you need to improve your reading and comprehension, as this is clearly an admission that the vaccines are ineffective, and he's saying the only way out of this is herd immunity and adopting the Swedish policies. And nobody wants to transit INTO an epidemic, moron.

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796313]I'm aware about Russia and there's nothing I can do about that unfortunately but I can correct people giving out misinformation about the vaccine and I'm also not seeing you complain about I Luv Emall bring up the vaccines just me, I guess you never heard of double standards?[/QUOTE]Says the king of disinformation. Why don't you tell us more about the overflowing ER rooms in Oklahoma from the Ivermectin poisoning? Or about how the vaccines are preventing Covid, and its transmission? You accused me of disinformation on these when I gave you hard data showing it obviously wasn't true, but just like the overflowing ER rooms, you're unable to apply any critical thinking, and can only mindlessly swallow the party-line BS censorship pumped out by those who tell you what to think. Now that they're finally telling you that the vaccines don't prevent you from getting Covid, and don't stop the transmission either, you're finally forced to admit that. With Omicron, they're even slowly leaking out the stats that the vaccines are doing little for the hospitalization rates. The narrative is falling apart and they know it. They're only slowly setting the stage piece by piece for fools like you to accept that you've been fed a sack of horseshit because it's too much for your small mind to accept all at once. Meanwhile, you continue to go around and hypocritically scream disinformation (and would love to censor, if only you could), like the parrot you are, when you're the one that's been spreading the manure.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796625]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".[/QUOTE]One person said it, so it must be true? How Trumpian. The Minister for Health in Iceland is certainly welcome to his opinion, but before you jump onto that bandwagon, have you considered what the Ministers of Health in the other 200+ countries have to say about it?

Or is a single data point enough for you to make a generalized conclusion?

[QUOTE=SgtLurker;5796534] Additionally, please tell me any other time in American history where citizens were being held in such conditions for over a year awaiting arraignment much less a trial? When have we, as a Constitutional Republic ever forced prisoners to read specifically slanted political material before allowing their case into court?[/QUOTE]Ahh I see... you have NO clue what your talking about.

From Waiting for Justice-.

https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/

"At least 1,317 people have been waiting in county jails for more than 3 years. For 332 of them, it's been longer than 5 years. ".

"In 32 counties that gave us detailed data, 5,796 people have been jailed longer than a year without being convicted or sentenced. ".

"In Los Angeles County, which has the state's largest jail population, 1,350 unsentenced people have been behind bars for longer than a year. About 180 have been jailed longer than three years. ".

"Name any other time in American history?" Every single day, wow, that was hard. Not.

As for taking plea deals? 94% of guilty convictions are from guilty pleas at the state level, that number is 97% at the federal level.

People accept plea deals for less serious charges to avoid going to trial for more serious charges all the time, despite this being common knowledge, well wow.

So using plea deals as an argument that more serious charges didn't apply is nonsensical. The Justice System literally doesn't have time and resources to take every case to trial, even slam dunk open and shut cases. The job of prosecutors is literally picking and choosing which cases are worth taking the time and energy to take the trial and those that are not.

Since the pandemic the Justice System has become even more reliant on plea deals, in fact a survey indicated that prosecutors are giving out even more lenient plea deals to avoid going to trial thanks to the pandemic decreasing their resources.

140 police officers were injured during Jan 6, unless they believe 'one or two' people are capable of doing that and are some hybrid of John Wick and Jason Borne, the obvious conclusion is a roughly equal or greater number of people were doing the injuring.

For citizens being held prior to arraignment or trial, well the detainment of Japanese Americans during the second world war comes to mind. Or the various cases associated with Jim Crow and the Civil Rights movement. Plus the present day and the multitude of individuals waiting trial, as pointed out earlier, unless those don't count for some reason.

As for them actually not being arraigned/tried, again referencing the DoJ's Capitol Breach Cases, 350+ of the 650+ cases have been arraigned, and there are 200+ plea agreements. There is little overlap between those two figures. Some math means there are still ~100 cases on the DoJ's list where an arrest is recorded, but nothing else. Plucking one randomly from that list gives us MCABEE, Ronald Colton who according to the DoJ was arrested on 17 Aug 2021 and then nothing more is listed. Some further research turns up an article talking about the arrest. Some further searching turns up a Memorandum Opinion by Emmet G. Sullivan, United States District Judge to continue McAbee's detainment pending trial.

"Defendant Ronald Colton McAbee ("Mr. McAbee") has been charged in a federal indictment with seven serious offenses arising from his participation in the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. See Redacted Third Superseding Indictment, ECF No. 152. Following Mr. McAbee's arrest and two detention hearings, a magistrate judge in the Eastern District of Tennessee released Mr. McAbee from custody pending trial. See Rule 5(c)(3) Docs., ECF No. 128 at 24-30. Pending before the Court is the government's Motion for Review and Appeal of the Release Order, which requests that Mr. McAbee be detained pending trial based on the danger he poses to the community. See Gov't's Emergency Mot. to Stay and for Review and Appeal of Release Order ("Gov't's Mot."), ECF No. 108. Upon careful consideration of the motion, opposition, and reply thereto, the arguments set forth at the September 22, 2021 hearing, the applicable law, and the entire record herein, the government's motion is GRANTED."
That memorandum was issued on 21 Dec 2021 and mentions two prior hearings. So in actual fact, despite the case not being kept fully up to date on the DoJ's site, it is still moving forward. I am not going to go through all of those cases to compile statistics on them. That is not my job.

As for your second question, the burden of proof is on the prosecutor. As he is accusing the US of forcing people to 'read specifically slanted political material' before granting their sixth amendment rights he needs to provide proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Proof like a statement from a defendant on the stand. Not whatever claims they make in a camera, what they say under oath. And if such accusations are not coming from the defendants, where are they coming from?

I am not going to argue that convictions of seditious conspiracy have occurred, because they have not yet. Someone performing an act does not necessarily mean they will be convicted or punished for performing that act, but that does not mean they did not perform the act. If I steal a cookie from the kitchen and get away with it, did I not steal the cookie?

[QUOTE=TheRabbit;5796185]Yeah about 80% percent of Iceland population are fully vaccinated, their not ending the mandates because the vaccine is ineffective they are ending them but ARE effectived and now trying to transit to an epidemic stage.[/QUOTE]You're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.

[QUOTE=ILuvEmall;5796625]I suppose this is why Iceland's Minister of Health is quoted as follows:

"Widespread societal resistance to COVID-19 is the main route out of the epidemic. To achieve this, as many people as possible need to be infected with the virus as the vaccines are not enough, even though they provide good protection against serious illness. ".

I think you need to improve your reading and comprehension, as this is clearly an admission that the vaccines are ineffective, and he's saying the only way out of this is herd immunity and adopting the Swedish policies. And nobody wants to transit INTO an epidemic, moron.[/QUOTE]No he's saying vaccines ARE necessary but admittedly enough on their own. Basically vaccines+people having mild conditions because of the vaccine=success which allows for it to open up.

Also I meant to say out of the epidemic phase and into a seasonal one.

[QUOTE=AaronHamlet;5796712]You're an ignorant fed gov worker kunt and the kuntiest sounding little black dude I've ever come across.[/QUOTE]That jump is when Delta came about which was more transmissible than the original COVID-19 variant which infected more faster than expected.