"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2215325]Blokes,

Just signed up for SA. Quickly stumble on this upbeat Boston girl. She was playful on email and fairly soon gave me her phone number for us to live chat a bit. She really stoke my ego, like a good SB should. Then she sent me a nice pic of her pre-run cleavage. So we setup a meeting one of those mornings. I get to her place and she welcomes me wearing a neglige showing massive cleavage and side boob. I'm thinking that it can't be that easy, and sure enough it wasn't. Turns out "slim" means different things to different people apparently. And her vocabulary would have been right at home at a truck stop. Plus the young lady has an extremely high opinion of herself. She needs her cocktails just so or she'll return them, etc. A princess really. She mentioned that her parents paid for everything until she was 26, so that explains a lot. The most I could pull off while I was there was a light foot rub. She flat out told me no sex on the first date. But she'd be happy to for $500 per week. I did manage to keep a straight face on, yet fairly soon departed. I let her know afterward that for $500 per week I could arrange a meeting with models who'd offer PSE, so I'll pass. Clearly this one hasn't flown on her own long enough. Folks in Boston, what is your experience of SB demands? Seems like college girls on the west coast can be satisfied with $100/ week. I doubt I can get that here, but any idea?

Thanks,

SM.[/QUOTE]SM, welcome to the SA SB world. You will find that most of the young ladies on that site have no real grasp of what they are worth. It will take some work on your part to weed thru them and find the ones that are realistic about life itself. When you read their profiles, pay close attention to what they say, don't just skim over it. Most of the time they will reveal themselves a bit. Also, I personally make it a policy to meet them the first time in a public place. Meet for a cocktail, dinner, coffee or whatever. But, never pay them to just show up. Cover the date expenses, but do not throw them money to sit and talk. In the past when they have asked if I am going to do that, I tell them to consider this like a job interview. A prospective employer does not pay you to come to an interview and neither do I. I also never take them to the FC on the first date. I never bring either the funds or covers. And yes, always make sure you have covers when you go to the FC. Surprising how many of these little gems forget that detail, sometimes on purpose.

Many will throw a high price out at you. I start out at $150 (I'm in the NYC area). Many will balk, but you will be surprised at how many will say yes. When they turn me down, I advise them they can see me on a regular basis at the lower donation or they can see nobody and hold out for the higher donation that will never come. Once in a while I hear back from one of them. And, always call it a donation, not a rate. SB's ask for a donation, ESCORTS have a rate.

Lastly, just be aware that finding a SB on SA that will be long term is probably not going to happen. All of the ones I have found over the years from there last anywhere from a couple of months to 1 year. Don't allow yourself to get emotionally involved. That will never end well. Always be in a position to say "NEXT!

Hope this stuff is helpful.

I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?

[QUOTE=Graham111;2216362]I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?[/QUOTE]My limited experience has taught me that once I donate money to put out a small fire for a former SB, the fkn forest fires start erupting on a regular basis. Learning to say no and reminding myself that, somehow, without my help they will survive was a hard lesson for me to learn. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2216362]I think I know the answer from the collective wisdom but SB 21. Sweet gal but needy of money. Nothing extravagant but gas and extras. Decided she is not doing it for me but pleading for gas money. One last time for old time sake or cease, desist and go silent?[/QUOTE]Much harder to stop that once it starts. Best to go dark.

I have met a couple pots at furniture / design stores. Here how it goes. Somewhere in our conversation I ask about their sense of style so later I say. You know. I am looking to redo some things at my place and you really seem to have a grip on todays trends / styles. (compliment the way they dress etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Just boost their ego) and say "I know this is a bit different but could we meet at "said furniture store" and maybe you can offer me some of your insight?

You boost her ego and do not even spend a dime to entertain her!. You can all send me 20% of what you save for your first mtgs. LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2215658]It's not due to romance on my part. Of all the true SBs I've ever hooked up with, not one of them would have returned my text message if I said meet me in the hotel parking lot. In the cities / states I've operated in, only a UTR girl would do that.

I do like to "go out" for a little nightlife when I am out of town, but that's more for my own benefit than theirs. I don't get to go bar hopping much these days, so being able to do so in a town where nobody knows me with a hot young girl on my arm is a lot of fun, it's kind of like a vacation for me. It's fun to watch guys half my age hit on them and get shot down, while they sit back and watch someone old enough to be their dad with their tongue down the hotties throat. However, drinks+restaurant food+hotel can get expensive so I don't recommend it for full time SDs.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Golfcart;2216391]Much harder to stop that once it starts. Best to go dark.[/QUOTE]I just cut off a woman I had been seeing for over a year for exactly this problem. I gave in a couple times, and my phone started going off the hook so I told her the ATM was closed. Shockingly. She said she could not see me this week she was busy "pawning her cloths to buy shampoo".

I did not lose any sleep. Lot's of fishy's in the sea.

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2216948]I have met a couple pots at furniture / design stores. Here how it goes. Somewhere in our conversation I ask about their sense of style so later I say. You know. I am looking to redo some things at my place and you really seem to have a grip on todays trends / styles. (compliment the way they dress etc. Blah. Blah. Blah. Just boost their ego) and say "I know this is a bit different but could we meet at "said furniture store" and maybe you can offer me some of your insight?

You boost her ego and do not even spend a dime to entertain her!. You can all send me 20% of what you save for your first mtgs. LOL.[/QUOTE]It's not a bad idea, it's just that at most furniture stores there's usually a sales person that accosts you immediately as you walk in. So, it seems like after a while you'd either run out of furniture stores or be faced with the sales staff potentially walking up and saying "you again? Do you ever actually buy anything or just bring young girls in here to look around? " LOL. I did once meet an interior designer in a bar, and invited her back to my place to supposedly look at potentially doing some work. I definitely put her to work, but not in the way she might have expected. I never signed up for any remodeling work. But then again she had to have known what was in store for her coming to my house at 2 am after nightclubbing.

I like it! My ATF SB loved strolling through IKEA and other home design stores. It must feed their nesting instincts. And there are room vignettes set up with nooks and alcoves filled with beds, sofas, and chairs that can be amazing make out centers. You could bend her over the granite counter top of the 2 sink bathroom and try out the goods. IKEA even has it's own cafeteria/restaurant . Excellent idea !

My apartment, was awesome for meeting Pots shortly after a drink in the next door bar. Several girls said "no sex" the 1st meet. I suggested having a drink after dinner up there and it always led to the panties dropping. There is nothing like a few drinks, romantic music, and a slow cheek to cheek dance to change their minds.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2217052]I like it! My ATF SB loved strolling through IKEA and other home design stores. It must feed their nesting instincts. And there are room vignettes set up with nooks and alcoves filled with beds, sofas, and chairs that can be amazing make out centers. You could bend her over the granite counter top of the 2 sink bathroom and try out the goods. IKEA even has it's own cafeteria/restaurant . Excellent idea !

My apartment, was awesome for meeting Pots shortly after a drink in the next door bar. Several girls said "no sex" the 1st meet. I suggested having a drink after dinner up there and it always led to the panties dropping. There is nothing like a few drinks, romantic music, and a slow cheek to cheek dance to change their minds.[/QUOTE]You could tell her that one of companies that you're on the board of directors for is thinking about entering the retail women's lingerie space and you'd like to understand the industry a little better, then take her to Victoria's Secret to try on a few things and educate you on the differences. Be sure to use a fake name. LOL.

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Hope this stuff is helpful.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the insights. It is helpful as it confirms my approach. With the $500/ wk girl I had opened with $150. I'll stick with that and see. Schlepping condoms is less fun though as that heightens the risk, but I guess it's better than the being stuck without. I presumably have a date setup for Friday, wish me luck. Do you guys always discuss donations / financial help amounts up-front? Sure might be a time saver. I wonder how often they look at you and go "well, he ain't that bad, that's worth a discount".

SlowMo.

I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.

[QUOTE=SlowMo;2217409]Thanks for the insights. It is helpful as it confirms my approach. With the $500/ wk girl I had opened with $150. I'll stick with that and see. Schlepping condoms is less fun though as that heightens the risk, but I guess it's better than the being stuck without. I presumably have a date setup for Friday, wish me luck. Do you guys always discuss donations / financial help amounts up-front? Sure might be a time saver. I wonder how often they look at you and go "well, he ain't that bad, that's worth a discount".

SlowMo.[/QUOTE]Upfront only. Don't want to spoil the mood later.

I often use the approach " I am not rich but do reasonably well and can spoil some and definitely are interested in us pursuing a long term situation. May I ask what you had in mind?. She will do one of 3 things. Give you a number in your range then you say. Sounds good! At. Give you a number that you can not meet and then just say "I would like to be able to do so but I unfortunately do have to stay on some kind of budget would "xxx' WORK FOR YOU?. THEN SHE SAWS SURE OR F-OFF YOU CHEAPSH&T. LOL. Or say. What can you do to help?. In that case just give her for XXX maybe less 20% so you have room to increase if need be.

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2217549]I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=JeanSaulPartre;2217549]I have been playing for about five-six years, but only found SA a couple of months ago. There is now no going back to the escort scene. I am fully converted and SA is my new religion.

I made one big mistake in the beginning, but I think now I am ok. I have two SB on a reasonable (not Hollywood-reasonable, but, from what I can tell, elsewhere reasonable) donation / rotation.

But here is a conundrum. I have recently met someone who has not done it before, and who I really like. I think it is mutual. We are meeting next week for a "practical meet". I suspect I can get a very sweet deal and get a 10/10. I do not want to lowball this person, as she is a proud and honest thing. However, I want to keep seeing other people, which means I cannot give her the best deal I can afford.

So I guess, my question is, how would you approach a first-timer, who is likely willing to have a committed one-on-one deal, without asking for one in return? Just a few qualifiers, my area has no escort scene, and a half-decent gal here asks (and gets) . 20-. 4 o h. I am thinking of $450/3 meets if she can meet at her place? I admit, I worry that if she feels like a $lut, she will just quit. And I want her to keep playing.[/QUOTE]To add to Mike's scenario is a 3rd likelihood. She will answer " what do you recommend " or "what do most people get " ? You just need to put your recommendation up front and hope for the best. If this girl is that great you can cut one loose from the rotation and spend more on her. $450 is probably reasonable but offer $350 which gives you room to come up and look magnanimous. If she is new and hasn't gotten contaminated by the BS on the SA Blog and infected with GPS you might luck out. Keep us posted.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2214040]Yeah, I noticed this. Very lame, it basically means you can't just disable your account temporarily, you either have to tolerate getting mails you won't be able to read until you are a paying member again, or delete your account. I'm not sure how that works for the SB since they don't have to pay at all -- I assume they can still hide themselves from searches and reappear as needed.

We should complain.[/QUOTE]I have two accounts (to check for two-timers I email SB's I'm seeing from the second account) and I set them both as "unsearchable" last night. You can't hide your last login date, and girls who have already contacted / favorited you (or who you have contacted / favorited) can still see your profile, but you shouldn't get hits from new pots.

Maybe SA got too much negative feedback and changed back to the old policy in the few days since you posted about it, Jeez and UKnow.