[QUOTE=SimonJonesUK;7035367]I got to know--what is "GPS?[/QUOTE]Head over to the PD site and you will get a healthy dose of GPS. And they will sprinkle in rudely worded rules in their bio / menu. Hard pass.
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[QUOTE=SimonJonesUK;7035367]I got to know--what is "GPS?[/QUOTE]Head over to the PD site and you will get a healthy dose of GPS. And they will sprinkle in rudely worded rules in their bio / menu. Hard pass.
[QUOTE=Randy62;7036164]Head over to the PD site and you will get a healthy dose of GPS. And they will sprinkle in rudely worded rules in their bio / menu. Hard pass.[/QUOTE]Yeah. Like rude shit such as "no bare" or "deposit required". The best is "FMTY". I'm shuddering as I'm typing this bullshit out! Lmao.
[QUOTE=HornyToad75;7036142]The demand will determine whether her rate is sustainable. Bell's LA ad no longer has the "no second" restriction, implying MSOG is now available.[/QUOTE]I doubt it's available, the standard has always been to list msog explicitly, doesn't matter if it's an upcharge or included.
[QUOTE=BigZhangMang;7036049]There are the run of the mill C-Orgs that network AMPs, houses, and hotels. And then there are the exclusive clubs. The exclusive clubs bring in college students, up and coming models, actresses, and J Girls. They even recruit multi ethnic backgrounds, too to spice things up. SBC is trying to break into that premium pricing echelon. Whether they have the quality to match is up to debate.
Personally for myself and the KGirls, I try to maintain the standard that a $350 + BB provider should be:
1) Hot.
2) Young (21-30).
3) Skilled.
4) Decent to conversational English.
We shouldn't be getting any newbie North Koreans at this price point.[/QUOTE]That's a pretty high bar even for the exclusive clubs to meet much less kgirls in general. I'd already be pretty stoked if they can pin down 1 and 3 well. I can make do if they are a bit older and can't communicate well.
[QUOTE=BigZhangMang;7036194]Yeah. Like rude shit such as "no bare" or "deposit required". The best is "FMTY". I'm shuddering as I'm typing this bullshit out! Lmao.[/QUOTE]FMTY now that made me spit my coffee.
[QUOTE=Randy62;7037034]FMTY now that made me spit my coffee.[/QUOTE]OK please elaborate. No clue what that means.
[QUOTE=Kenshin88;7037726]OK please elaborate. No clue what that means.[/QUOTE]Fly Me To You.
[QUOTE=Kenshin88;7037726]OK please elaborate. No clue what that means.[/QUOTE]FMTY = fly me to you. You you take a golden pussy good enough for a pedestal, and you pay her plane ticket and a few k to bring her to you. Where she can suck up your money exclusively and she's all yours. Maybe even take her out shopping so you can make the experience even dumber. Don't know why you'd do that when there are way better kgirls, but it's your money. Would never recommend.
There must be an element of sugaring to that that some guys like. I don't see the point. I date girls and have never paid for it. Separate the sex from the dating. Pay for the sex. Pay them to go away. If you vibe, you can even sometimes date but only after you've done everything you wanted to them in bed. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for regret and paying more than you need to for very little. Don't mix sex and dating with working girls. Speaking from experience.
If a girl is good enough, go to her. Pay her regular rate. Don't give her any hint you could be paying more, you will not get your money's worth by showing off.
I'm all-in with that rule. I will be taking a trip to Japan next Spring, making my "tour" of girls I know. I'll be writing new guides as Traveler X assuming I discover new shops and options. It is way easier to go somewhere yourself for weeks of fun, never regretted it in 20 years. Don't spend that money flying a girl to you for just a day. Recipe for disappointment.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26902-BBFS-Providers-Manhattan&p=7021901&viewfull=1#post7021901[/URL] Everything guide to Japan
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26902-BBFS-Providers-Manhattan&p=6992852#post6992852[/URL] $26 bjs by A-tier girls in Japan
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5030-Strip-Club-Reports&p=7022430&viewfull=1#post7022430[/URL] My strip club date (date #2)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2942753&viewfull=1#post2942753[/URL] Dating 3 girls at a time, or why I have 0 reviews this month. DTB
[QUOTE=ResilientJohn;7036776]That's a pretty high bar even for the exclusive clubs to meet much less kgirls in general. I'd already be pretty stoked if they can pin down 1 and 3 well. I can make do if they are a bit older and can't communicate well.[/QUOTE]I didn't set that bar. Chicks like Baby Peach, Celine, and Loew did!
Then there's the 340 an hr girls like Baby Kendall and Baby Blue / Winter. Where you get Hot, young, service, with broken English LOL. Then there's the 320 + upcharge girls where you sacrifice one or two stats like youth and or comm skills.
Nadia is an outlier as her comm skills and service aren't up to snuff. But her donation is up there. That's why I haven't repeated. She's hot tho.
But yeah, I'm mostly happy with whoever's behind the door. That's thanks to the feedback shared on these forums.
[QUOTE=FreeWally;7037785]FMTY = fly me to you. You you take a golden pussy good enough for a pedestal, and you pay her plane ticket and a few k to bring her to you. Where she can suck up your money exclusively and she's all yours. Maybe even take her out shopping so you can make the experience even dumber. Don't know why you'd do that when there are way better kgirls, but it's your money. Would never recommend.
There must be an element of sugaring to that that some guys like. I don't see the point. I date girls and have never paid for it. Separate the sex from the dating. Pay for the sex. Pay them to go away. If you vibe, you can even sometimes date but only after you've done everything you wanted to them in bed. Otherwise you're setting yourself up for regret and paying more than you need to for very little. Don't mix sex and dating with working girls. Speaking from experience.
If a girl is good enough, go to her. Pay her regular rate. Don't give her any hint you could be paying more, you will not get your money's worth by showing off.
I'm all-in with that rule. I will be taking a trip to Japan next Spring, making my "tour" of girls I know. I'll be writing new guides as Traveler X assuming I discover new shops and options. It is way easier to go somewhere yourself for weeks of fun, never regretted it in 20 years. Don't spend that money flying a girl to you for just a day. Recipe for disappointment.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26902-BBFS-Providers-Manhattan&p=7021901&viewfull=1#post7021901[/URL] Everything guide to Japan
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?26902-BBFS-Providers-Manhattan&p=6992852#post6992852[/URL] $26 bjs by A-tier girls in Japan
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?5030-Strip-Club-Reports&p=7022430&viewfull=1#post7022430[/URL] My strip club date (date #2)
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2942753&viewfull=1#post2942753[/URL] Dating 3 girls at a time, or why I have 0 reviews this month. DTB[/QUOTE]Enjoy your trip! Thanks for the wisdom!
[QUOTE=BonerAppetitty;7034118]To say she's a little curvy like a Latina and look like Tila Tequila is like saying I am a little wide and look like Danny DeVito. I dare say she's cuter than the fake pics she used as Baby Dalli, Dally, Lizza. I think she's the cutest young Kgirl in OC. So cute that she jumped from CYA to HYA. I didn't even notice she got meat on her ass until she lay down and her ass just fan out to the side LOL. That sight looked familiar to me. I am pretty sure she was Baby Dalli in LA. Her Lizza pics are more representative of her body and face.
Contact: [URL=https://www.cakdolls.cr/escort/lizza-21yrs-new-to-area-first-time-options-avail-copy/](click here)[/URL].
Reviews: [URL=https://www.theeroticreview.com/reviews/baby-dalli-2138002555-391904](click here)[/URL].[/QUOTE]Chipmunk cute. Cheery throughout. For those LA reviewers who said she has a Latina body or looks like young tila tequila, I hope for their sakes that they got bait and switch.
Agreed that Lizza's pics are better representation. Ironically, her first review in LA forum probably provides the closest resemblance IRL ([URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=6807719&viewfull=1[/URL]#post6807719).
Slim body with squeezable MM. Perky backside that becomes noticeable in K9. Surprisingly good services. Likes to kiss and has slow sensual style. Tight box that takes time to stretch out. Top 3 young girls available in OC right now, along with Baby Evian and Nadia. Only downside is her higher rate for BB.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?33078-Hot-Young-Asian-Girls&p=6807719&viewfull=1#post6807719[/URL]
[QUOTE=Belly888;7030766]Honey / grace. - great spinner body with amazing tits and nice ass. Face is not as high level as her spinner body but not bad. She's got a lot of sexy in her game. People say she's moody but I didn't get that at all. Great sex.[/QUOTE]Was suggested to try her by the booker tonight. Really enjoyed my time with her. She'll suck on you all day if you want. She sits a bit too hard with CG so I lost it for a while. I had to finish with mish instead. She nice and tight. If she offered BB, oh man.
Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.
[QUOTE=BlizaBliz;7049994]Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.[/QUOTE]Can't imagine trying to counsel a girl because I was triggered by her cutting marks. Probably better to just leave if it bothered you that much. We are customers and not white knights its best to fulfill your end of the transaction and move on in a respectful way.
[QUOTE=BlizaBliz;7049994]Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.[/QUOTE]Curious to know if she responded and her reaction to your inquiry.
[QUOTE=BlizaBliz;7049994]Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.[/QUOTE]That sucks about her self harming. Kudos to you Bliz for being human and checking in on her. I wouldn't call it "White Knighting" to see if a provider is okay. That's just basic human decency! LOL.
I'd prefer my provider to be in tip top shape physically and emotionally to ensure the best performance. It cost nothing to be kind.
[QUOTE=HornyToad75;7050302]Curious to know if she responded and her reaction to your inquiry.[/QUOTE]Is going down to a deep rabbit hole. Imagine you inquire and her response will either be:
A. She politely don't tell you the truth.
Or.
B. She tell you the truth, but than what can you actually do, especially she's here on a short stay.
IMO unless you plan to invest more time & money to it, don't get too curious.
[QUOTE=Randy62;7050196]Can't imagine trying to counsel a girl because I was triggered by her cutting marks. Probably better to just leave if it bothered you that much. We are customers and not white knights its best to fulfill your end of the transaction and move on in a respectful way.[/QUOTE]The best way to help is be a good customer and visit more often.
[QUOTE=Randy62;7050196]Can't imagine trying to counsel a girl because I was triggered by her cutting marks. Probably better to just leave if it bothered you that much. We are customers and not white knights its best to fulfill your end of the transaction and move on in a respectful way.[/QUOTE]I doubt it's even about "white knighting". We talk about "attitude" because it's a key aspect for establishing the right atmosphere. Well so are the these kinds of "outlier" physical qualities. I would think that's what BlizaBliz is sort of alluding to. It can you take out of the state of mind or be a turnoff altogether. Whether that's because of concern for the girl, concern for yourself (idk, that Black Mirror White Christmas episode has me fucked up on doing things with people that don't value their own wellbeing / lives), some psychological trigger if you or people you know have a history of self-harm, or the visuals altogether of seeing the scars.
I'm glad you mentioned it Bliza, thanks!
[QUOTE=Cchhcc;7050446]Is going down to a deep rabbit hole. Imagine you inquire and her response will either be:
A. She politely don't tell you the truth.
Or.
B. She tell you the truth, but than what can you actually do, especially she's here on a short stay.
IMO unless you plan to invest more time & money to it, don't get too curious.
The best way to help is be a good customer and visit more often.[/QUOTE]Since BlizaBliz already asked, I think it would be helpful for people thinking about seeing her to know how she responded, and take appropriate course of action. Understood this is a complex issue that neither party may not want to delve into, but it would seem weird to completely ignore the cuts over the arm without asking her if everything is OK.
[QUOTE=BlizaBliz;7049994]Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.[/QUOTE]Yeah, unfortunately, that's a classic sign of Borderline Personality Disorder. Seen it many times in this hobby, including one girl (a sugar baby) who did it right in front of me one night at my place. I had to take the knife away from her, bandage her up, and call the paramedics. She wound up spending the weekend at a county mental health facility. It's a sad reality of the P4 P world. A lot the girls suffer from this type of mental illness, or similar disorders. Makes me wonder sometimes if it's the only way they can do this job. They have to be mentally messed up in the first place.
Some guys don't think it's a real issue. But having seen it up close and personal, it's absolutely real and heart breaking. Of course, not all of them suffer from it, but I'd guess it's a far higher percentage than you'd find in the general population.
[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7050760]Yeah, unfortunately, that's a classic sign of Borderline Personality Disorder. Seen it many times in this hobby, including one girl (a sugar baby) who did it right in front of me one night at my place. I had to take the knife away from her, bandage her up, and call the paramedics. She wound up spending the weekend at a county mental health facility. It's a sad reality of the P4 P world. A lot the girls suffer from this type of mental illness, or similar disorders. Makes me wonder sometimes if it's the only way they can do this job. They have to be mentally messed up in the first place.[/QUOTE]No, there are always signs before. The work can make it worse, or it might even make it better. But it is never the start. Best not to know a girl's backstory, it won't help you Captain Save a Ho her. It rarely works. Few people are of the Admiral rank needed to solve their problems, and even if you met the requirements you can only fuck yourself over once. Don't. Most people can't even if they wanted to, though.
Treat the girls well and be respectful, but best to stay out of the behind the scenes. She's gotten the question before already. The last girl I knew was actually very happy, her scars were from many years before the work. The work was the solution to her life, not the problem. That is the more common case.
I have seen one girl who burns herself. Other than taking care of her in the moment, do not get involved. Just be a good customer like with all women. It is usually the only way you can help anyways. I have taken some peeks and in a lot of cases you won't even make a dent and could even make it worse by being involved. In the cases you could make it better, it would cost you your current life as you know it to fix.
You can actually make a much bigger difference with the normal girls. Have a good hour with them and wave goodbye. Both of you leave better than you started. I have seen many girls like this make their life much better later on. Not the other girl. Help these girls. You don't even have to do anything other than visit them and enjoy.
[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7050760] who did it right in front of me one night at my place. I had to take the knife away from her, bandage her up, and call the paramedics. She wound up spending the weekend at a county mental health facility. [/QUOTE]Reading the original post, I was thinking, oh, man, I could see a scenario where asking the wrong way might be a trigger & the gal cutting herself during a session.
I'm sure that risk is near non existent, but wow, I wouldn't want to have to wait & file a report with anyone (I never bring I'd to an appointment for instance).
I would hope more gals have to file death reports due to heart attacks more often than guys on girls self harming.
Has anyone seen Abba before? She has great reviews from east coast.
Abba will start this week.
[URL]https://www.sweetasiangem.com/abba[/URL]
Looks like Miyahouse up in LA posted a jgirl with her photos.
[QUOTE=BlizaBliz;7049994]Sana is a CYA. The photos are real, the video is of her, and she looks to be in her early 20's and has a rockin' body with natural C's. She's Japanese with a huge smile and a cute overbite and greeted me at the door in lingerie and a demure personality.
But, the photos airbrushed out two things. Her tattoos (arm tattoo, upper chest tattoo), and her left arm is completely scarred from cutting. About halfway up her forearm almost all the way up to her shoulder. Some of the cuts look like they were made in the last month, as they are still red and not healed over. I'd estimate about 30 cutting scars.
I honestly couldn't perform well. I asked her if she was OK and had people to talk to about her cutting, and just wanted to make sure she was doing OK.
If that kind if thing doesn't bother you, I'd imagine she would be a total treat, as she is CUTE. But I just wanted to post a warning to my bros here who might find such a thing to be a downer.[/QUOTE]
Saw Lizza yesterday and would definitely confirm her as HYA, specifically the "cute face, hot body" reports. I think she's a must-see for anyone just looking for HYA, so I'll start off with that, but some additional notes:
- Her skin around her waist / butt are kind of rough. Felt like scars but couldn't see any. Not sure if people are just clawing at it or if she has butt eczema or something. I just attributed it to people digging into it or something because the visuals from behind are 10/10.
- BJ is very one-note but still good. No teeth, soft.
- Can take a pounding and creams up.
- I will say her breath is kind of not the best. It's not smokers breath or food breath, it's just not great. She also didn't use the mouthwash in the beginning either so if you can find a polite way to get her to do it with you (maybe offering to pour yourself, and then pouring her a cup) that might get more out of the session.
[QUOTE=Tobonkornot;7052877]Saw Lizza yesterday and would definitely confirm her as HYA, specifically the "cute face, hot body" reports. I think she's a must-see for anyone just looking for HYA, so I'll start off with that, but some additional notes:
- Her skin around her waist / butt are kind of rough. Felt like scars but couldn't see any. Not sure if people are just clawing at it or if she has butt eczema or something. I just attributed it to people digging into it or something because the visuals from behind are 10/10.
- BJ is very one-note but still good. No teeth, soft.
- Can take a pounding and creams up.
- I will say her breath is kind of not the best. It's not smokers breath or food breath, it's just not great. She also didn't use the mouthwash in the beginning either so if you can find a polite way to get her to do it with you (maybe offering to pour yourself, and then pouring her a cup) that might get more out of the session.[/QUOTE]Agreed. I think it is eczema around the butt, you might feel it but it looks mild. Ass is great. She is CYA but with the warning that she is cute and young but not a service queen. Like most CYA.
Cute face and nice hair, petite. Great body shape. MMs. Her ad photos completely match as far as the body, but different face. Same proportions and size as ad photo. I'd guess 5'1", white body, very young. Early 20s.
BJ is soft as you say, but her face and style is nice so it's enough to get hard. I remember Baby Soyul's BBBJ, it was like fucking air. The softest BJ possible. But if a girl is cute enough I don't even care, I will get rock hard from watching her do it.
Very good English, she seems new so let her know what you want. She will not attack you like milfs but is gentle and attentive. Like a jgirl as others have said. Her style is nice.
[QUOTE=Taliesin92;7050760]Yeah, unfortunately, that's a classic sign of Borderline Personality Disorder. Seen it many times in this hobby, including one girl (a sugar baby) who did it right in front of me one night at my place. I had to take the knife away from her, bandage her up, and call the paramedics. She wound up spending the weekend at a county mental health facility. It's a sad reality of the P4 P world. A lot the girls suffer from this type of mental illness, or similar disorders. Makes me wonder sometimes if it's the only way they can do this job. They have to be mentally messed up in the first place.
Some guys don't think it's a real issue. But having seen it up close and personal, it's absolutely real and heart breaking. Of course, not all of them suffer from it, but I'd guess it's a far higher percentage than you'd find in the general population.[/QUOTE]Dang. I would have said to myself, this girls does cutting. Either leave or continue. Would not go into woke mode and start lecture only to cream pie her 5 min later.
This topic is present in the thread. I have not seen it in even 1 girl on seeking in 5+ years, and specifically, no cutting. This is possibly because I take a lot of care in vetting them in advance. I message a lot, talk to them on the phone, M&G. Like a SD should. One who has a warden and doesn't want to get involved w / a SB who will be more of a headache than a sex kitten.
The main issues w / borderlines in relationships, sugar or not, is that they can absolutely lose all standards of civility and then become your worst nightmare, without warning (or with quite small stimulus). Other posters seem to have used Dr. Google. I am close to mental health professionals, they provide a different picture of borderlines than the internet.
You need to have your spidey senses on at all times when playing in the sugar bowl, unless you've been w / the same SB for a while and she has proven trustworthy. Still, as per a recent post from Joydrop, keep your IRL identity away from your SB for as long as possible. A year or more. That is the best way to be able to vaporize yourself in a poof, for your own safety.
[QUOTE=Clclcl;7053826]Dang. I would have said to myself, this girls does cutting. Either leave or continue. Would not go into woke mode and start lecture only to cream pie her 5 min later.[/QUOTE]Try learning English before posting such gibberish.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7054219]You need to have your spidey senses on at all times when playing in the sugar bowl...[/QUOTE]Absolutely. It's why I put away the sugar bowl for good. Too much vetting required. It's far too much work, compared to the wonderful and carefree k-girl universe.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7054219]The main issues w / borderlines in relationships, sugar or not, is that they can absolutely lose all standards of civility and then become your worst nightmare, without warning (or with quite small stimulus). Other posters seem to have used Dr. Google. I am close to mental health professionals, they provide a different picture of borderlines than the internet.
You need to have your spidey senses on at all times when playing in the sugar bowl, unless you've been w / the same SB for a while and she has proven trustworthy. Still, as per a recent post from Joydrop, keep your IRL identity away from your SB for as long as possible. A year or more. That is the best way to be able to vaporize yourself in a poof, for your own safety.[/QUOTE]Hi, this is just my own opinion so it's not my intention to offend, just share my own observations in case it might help save someone time and money. Sugaring is a bad idea when you're under watch for exactly the reason you describe. Exposing yourself, being at risk, hiding yourself while having a half-relationship with a girl. SBs are the worst offenders there.
You might have some fun but it is also expensive and you pay a lot for little. Fun that is imagined. But if it suits you, do your thing. It's just not suited for people who are already taken. I for my part have had a lot more fun with kgirls, and there is greater quantity and quality to be had as long as you are willing to potentially move on each time. Don't get attached to any one girl. It's safer and honestly more fun. You just happen to see a girl you like 3-5 times and it's as fun if not more than a SB, because you do the vetting by virtue of seeing many girls and returning to the ones you vibe with.
The half-relationship with kgirls is sexual and there's a lot more phsyical freedom than SBs. SBs will never respect you at the physical level, if even the emotional. The best part of visiting the agency is you walk out in 60 minutes and get to decide if it's worth a repeat. Not quite with typical SBs arrangements. This is what tends to give you good service with kgirls but not SBs.
In the rare case you date a kgirl, is way safer since they are still working as their main income and have no time or energy to hunt you down like a SB who has just you or a few high valued clients. Girls work at the agency prepared to not see again any guy that walks through the door. The opposite of SBs. Your privacy is the same as theirs, both are respected by default. It is also way cheaper of course. All bets are off if a kgirl quits her job, then the risk proposition is a step closer to the SB level. Speaking from experience. As long as a kgirl works for an agency, you are much safer than when she is not.
I know many of us want to be loved and to feel special, but to sum it up you pay too much for too little with SBs. And they set the limits and call the shots in too many situations, the opposite of kgirls by default. Just some thoughts from over the years. I have tried but the value proposition isn't there nor is it as safe to SB. A lot of vetting and hoping involved.
So two posters here say that SBs are a bad idea for married guys because of potential trouble. But to get into any of the K-orgs, as I understand it, it is required that you give up your IRL identity. How is that good OPSEC? If something goes south w / the booker, if LE gets involved, that client list gets publicized, and then there is no denying, to anyone, that you've been banging SYTs. Could be the end of life for many many guys. I also don't appreciate the image of being just another customer, and would never believe the experience of a K-girl was actually real. How could you when you don't even speak the same language in many cases? - some may have different experiences, but I'd always have in the back of my mind it was just an act. Because I have an ongoing relationship w / my SBs, I know what they are experiencing w / me is real. And that doesn't put me at risk. As I said, I never give up my IRL info to my SB, I have a complete cover story, and whenever I need to / want to I can just disappear. However, if I have seen someone on an ongoing basis, because there is a relationship, I would never ghost. If I just get tired of her, or there is some other issue, I'd have a quick convo or text exchange to close the loop.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7054852]Hi, this is just my own opinion so it's not my intention to offend, just share my own observations in case it might help save someone time and money. Sugaring is a bad idea when you're under watch for exactly the reason you describe. Exposing yourself, being at risk, hiding yourself while having a half-relationship with a girl. SBs are the worst offenders there.
The half-relationship with kgirls is sexual and there's a lot more phsyical freedom than SBs. SBs will never respect you at the physical level, if even the emotional. The best part of visiting the agency is you walk out in 60 minutes and get to decide if it's worth a repeat. Not quite with typical SBs arrangements. This is what tends to give you good service with kgirls but not SBs.
In the rare case you date a kgirl, is way safer since they are still working as their main income and have no time or energy to hunt you down like a SB who has just you or a few high valued clients. Girls work at the agency prepared to not see again any guy that walks through the door. The opposite of SBs. Your privacy is the same as theirs, both are respected by default. It is also way cheaper of course. All bets are off if a kgirl quits her job, then the risk proposition is a step closer to the SB level. Speaking from experience. As long as a kgirl works for an agency, you are much safer than when she is not.[/QUOTE]There are many fallacies here, and I'd suggest they have to do w / your (not common) practices / experiences.
"more phsyical freedom than SBs. SBs will never respect you at the physical level, if even the emotional" What does that mean? I have never had that experience. I read all the time on reviews here the basic things some k-girls won't do. Starting w / kissing. I've never had an ongoing SB who was anything other than open to a sexual relationship w / me just like I was her BF. I am not kinky, I don't need her to get out of her comfort zone, but I want her experience to be real. Even though I am twice to three times her age. And if I pick the right girl, I get just that.
You say k-girls are safer because they have "no time or energy to hunt you down like a SB ". Really? I have never ever heard of, and definitely not experienced, any SB trying to hunt me down. For what? Paternity? No risk for me. Extortion? I am pretty sure about that one too. I keep myself safe, I never need to trust her w / my secrets.
"Your privacy is the same as theirs, both are respected by default. " Really? You're sure about that. And that is why you had to provide your pay stub to the K-org in order to get in the door? Do you get the girl's passport before you bang her?
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7055073]So two posters here say that SBs are a bad idea for married guys because of potential trouble. But to get into any of the K-orgs, as I understand it, it is required that you give up your IRL identity.[/QUOTE]That's incorrect. I have never given up my personally identifying information to anyone. Not in the k-girl world, and not in any P4 P context. I've been mongering for nearly three decades and providing solid references has always been good enough to get in the door. If you read some of my past messages, you'll see I've posted many times about how to avoid providing PII and how important it is. No pussy is worth being exposed publicly. I go to great lengths to stay anonymous, and I have always followed that approach.
By the way, I never said SBs are a bad idea for married guys. I said they are a bad idea, period — for me. It may suffice for other guys, but for me, it's too much work. And k-girls provide a much better service is so many ways, it's not even a close decision.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7055102]"Your privacy is the same as theirs, both are respected by default. " Really? You're sure about that. And that is why you had to provide your pay stub to the K-org in order to get in the door? Do you get the girl's passport before you bang her?[/QUOTE]I've used 5 bookers in OC and have never given my paystub or any PII to any booker. You make a lot of claims about someone you don't know. I use HX to verify and if a booker won't take it, I won't use them. Obviously HX girls don't ask for PII.
It doesn't look like you have much experience from your posts. Or you'd know better. So there is no point replying to your comments. Good luck on your ideas.
[QUOTE=DownloadX;7055296]I've used 5 bookers in OC and have never given my paystub or any PII to any booker. You make a lot of claims about someone you don't know. I use HX to verify and if a booker won't take it, I won't use them. Obviously HX girls don't ask for PII.
It doesn't look like you have much experience from your posts. Or you'd know better. So there is no point replying to your comments. Good luck on your ideas.[/QUOTE]I have vast SB experience, but little interest in girls seeing 5 guys a day, so no, that never got my attention. Your experience w / SBs seems to be unique to you, I have been reading and posting here for years on the topic, so offering up your views requires some pushback from someone with contrasting knowledge.
Here are the risks of giving up personal information in the K-org world. And if you don't have to give up personal info but require a reference, where exactly does that come from?
[URL]https://wtop.com/national/2024/09/woman-accused-of-running-a-high-end-brothel-network-to-plead-guilty/[/URL]
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;7055416]I have vast SB experience, but little interest in girls seeing 5 guys a day, so no, that never got my attention. Your experience w / SBs seems to be unique to you, I have been reading and posting here for years on the topic, so offering up your views requires some pushback from someone with contrasting knowledge.
Here are the risks of giving up personal information in the K-org world. And if you don't have to give up personal info but require a reference, where exactly does that come from?[/QUOTE]Your SB experience is not that of a lot of people. If you've read other people's experience SBs, they mostly suck. Wasn't worth it for me. Few girls are like what you describe, obviously. In any case this is the OC thread HYA thread so if you've seen a girl then post your opinion. Reviews are always welcome. This is not an SB thread.
25 million people in the US have seen a working girl, and you are linking to a random case on the East Coast. I speak from experience. I have personally seen lives get destroyed by SB. Not far away in the news. I was warning you from experience, not asking for it. You brought it up like it's some safe thing, not me.
You asked for help, people with experience helped point you the way to not give PII, and you're now arguing that they're wrong about it. Look, you don't give that info with HX, ever. Two people have already explained this to you, one of them twice. I recommend you read a guide on Humaniplex because it sounds like you will like it. Or not.
Hi all, given that Amy. Vietnamese Stunner is returning, I was going to see her again, but I see Lauryn. Vietnamese Model is new.
I enjoy Amy's look, but she's kinda aggressive for me.
Has anyone tried CAK Lauryn Vietnamese French Model?
I have a thing for Vietnamese French since I literally fell I love with Sidra (2012) in LA. Any insight on new Lauryn?
[QUOTE=RickJamesB;7055730]Hi all, given that Amy. Vietnamese Stunner is returning, I was going to see her again, but I see Lauryn. Vietnamese Model is new.
I enjoy Amy's look, but she's kinda aggressive for me.
Has anyone tried CAK Lauryn Vietnamese French Model?
I have a thing for Vietnamese French since I literally fell I love with Sidra (2012) in LA. Any insight on new Lauryn?[/QUOTE]I suspected it is a double profile. What are the chances that CAKD get two Viet French girls at the same time? Also, CAKD have not post an ad on HX for Lauryn. My guess is that one of the CAKD's HX accounts will post an ad with both of them late Saturday. You can see the same pattern with their HX ads for Dalli / Lizza and Leeca / Annita.