"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2211432]I couldn't agree more with your last sentence. However, it is ever so tempting when you know she's just playing you to call her out on her BS and run her through the mud. If I do this, I know the entire posse will be after me. I'm just going to tell her I know she's a working girl and if she contacts me, daddy, mommy, brother, sister, and the entire town in Virginia will know it. Although I honestly think her family already knows and did not give a shit. They are all weird and fucked up people.[/QUOTE]They know and don't give a shit. Threatening drama will only create drama. Never let a crazy know you have a button to push, just guarantees they will try to push it. I deal with this type all the time on a professional basis, and just saying, be safer to leave a nominal donation, become a cheapskate, start calling her kid a moron and let her decide to move on.

Good luck. Mean that.

You might have a better shot convincing the judge "your honor it wasn't a romantic relationship. I was just fucking her, not romancing her" ;0.

Great conversation starter. Use it verbatim for all I care. Posted before, but posting it again.

Hi. Every girl on here is looking for 3 things to varying degrees.

1 - financial support.

2 - physical support.

3 - emotional support.

The greater the need for reason 1, the less attention is paid to reasons 2 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 2, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 3.

The greater the need for reason 3, the less attention is paid to reasons 1 and 2.

I try to provide a balance between all three reasons as a basis to meet someone. Enough money to say I am not trying to get something for nothing. Real Chemistry. I also have an understanding and giving nature combined with years of experience in taking care of girls and anticipating their needs.

I don't judge what anyone wants and I don't pretend to be able to meet everyones expectations. I use SD4 M as more of a regular dating site but to meet younger girls that want some help with their bills, have sexual needs and fantasies that can be spontaneously explored in a safe and nurturing environment, and with someone that could be a real friend even if its mostly for the financial and physical benefits. But a friend nonetheless.

Whats your motivation?

Long Distance Relationship:

Hollywood (I guess my question is can you really have a successful long distance relationship. ?).

Sure! It never hurts to have an excellent fuck buddy available, but it is too far to want to do regularly with so much local talent.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2211204] Any ideas, from anyone who has been through this is welcomed! I've truly been good to this girl and never treated her badly, but I fear the gloves might need to come off. Not in an illegal manor, but just one that scares he heck out of this fake cum bucket. She is truly trash and I want her GONE![/QUOTE]I've been there, not with SBs because I don't give away enough info to them for it to happen and I handle them differently than civvy dates, but I've had clingy civvies go psycho. My best advice was captured in some replies I wrote a few weeks back. I don't remember exactly what I said, but since you're still talking to her, it tells me you decided my advice wasn't for you. You could also cycle back and re-read those messages to see if they sound better now. The thread is too huge and cumbersome for me to navigate back and look for them.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2211366]I'm legally separated, in the clutches of a messy divorce with many twists and turns. In the final agreement that we have both signed and was approved by the court, we are to be separated for one year and then the divorce becomes final. The settlement agreement includes me gaining complete control of a $425,000 home that is paid for. But with that clause and agreement is that during the 1 year separation period, I am not to engage in a romantic type relationship with another woman. This was set forth in that we might reconcile our differences, per her request in that year time span. I also agreed to marriage counseling. If after the end of said year, I still want to proceed, I get the house and she gets a condo in S Florida worth about half the value of the home I get. So I have $425,000 riding on her not finding out. THATS WHY just stopping all you listed is not an option. This girl will come looking and 10-1 she will find my soon to be EX wife before she finds me.

So I need a plan that causes her to go away and never even want to know who I am or was![/QUOTE]If so, when does the one year separation period end? Are you near the end? If so, I would put this current broken relationship on cruise control until the separation period ends. The longer away from today that one year mark is, the more difficult to adhere to a cruise control strategy. Does the CrazySB know about your finances? When you were in the midst of the good times did you share a lot of personal information that now you regret sharing? If she has been kept out of the loop about your finances then I think the suggestions other Members have made are very good. Ideally, She would be put into a situation where She decided your not going to provide the nourishment she can leech from. As long as she feels you are here current and best hope, she will fight to keep you. The good news could actually be that she is still looking for others. Maybe there is another poor Fly that will land on her web and she will cast you aside for a fresh kill. In any event, I feel for you and sincerely hope you emerge from this nightmare healthy and with the increased wisdom that comes from surviving an ordeal like this. Last year I went through a divorce truly cooked in hell and, although not the same scenario as yours, I did have to fight a woman who was obsessed with destroying me.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2210416]Message the 10's all day as long as you don't mind getting the occasional disgruntled reply like the one I got this morning.

"$100 are you fucking kidding me? Every arrangement I've had is at least $500 per visit. You're gross and cheap. $100 doesn't even pay my car insurance. You're broke. ".

[URL]http://www.sugardaddyforme.com/ALLprofile-3065844-Cindycindy-RedondoBeach-California-SugarBaby[/URL]

Lets see, at the moment I have over a dozen girls waiting for a first date that have agreed to my terms. Mostly younger and at least as good a body as hers..[/QUOTE]Being laid back and waiting till they accept your price is the best practice, BUT it takes time, it is like the farmer. Or the hunter. The hunter spends more energy the get his 'prey' while the farmer slowly develops a whole 'herd' of willing prey.

I have used this before. "man I am really sorry but my work situation and income have changed. I know I have been helping with $$I usually had a monthly allowance set up 1200 - 1500) amount per month but am not going to be able to do that much now. At best 400 - 500. Will that still work for you? They will likely move on!

[QUOTE=BigTigger;2211294]Very Simple Advice: Use your intelligence and savvy and work a plan to get her to dump you. Were it be through being undependable, flaky, mean, low sugar, etc. You need to change your actions to get her to drop you. I speak from experience. The best is for it to be her decision and not yours.

"Peeking In From My Asylum".

BigTigg.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LikeMike1963;2212218]I have used this before. "man I am really sorry but my work situation and income have changed. I know I have been helping with $$I usually had a monthly allowance set up 1200 - 1500) amount per month but am not going to be able to do that much now. At best 400 - 500. Will that still work for you? They will likely move on![/QUOTE]If they don't end it you have yourself a discount deal. If you want them out then say you can't afford anything.

I did that and she accepted 50%, but kept asking for advances and it got to be too much of a pain in the ass.

If you want top know who the pros are in your area just check out all the profiles on Friday starting at about 3 pm.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2211366]I'm legally separated, in the clutches of a messy divorce with many twists and turns. In the final agreement that we have both signed and was approved by the court, we are to be separated for one year and then the divorce becomes final. The settlement agreement includes me gaining complete control of a $425,000 home that is paid for. But with that clause and agreement is that during the 1 year separation period, I am not to engage in a romantic type relationship with another woman. This was set forth in that we might reconcile our differences, per her request in that year time span. I also agreed to marriage counseling. If after the end of said year, I still want to proceed, I get the house and she gets a condo in S Florida worth about half the value of the home I get. So I have $425,000 riding on her not finding out. THATS WHY just stopping all you listed is not an option. This girl will come looking and 10-1 she will find my soon to be EX wife before she finds me.

So I need a plan that causes her to go away and never even want to know who I am or was![/QUOTE]If she has your personal info that's your bad. But you haven't really stated the situation on that. Anyhow either cut contact or make a lot of business trips or come up with something else losing your job etc. You don not and probably should not have an official breakup meeting that only brings drama no point. And use escorts till your divorce is final.

[QUOTE=Zman429;2213257]If she has your personal info that's your bad. But you haven't really stated the situation on that. Anyhow either cut contact or make a lot of business trips or come up with something else losing your job etc. You don not and probably should not have an official breakup meeting that only brings drama no point. And use escorts till your divorce is final.[/QUOTE]I think his dilemma is that he got involved in an arrangement-turned relationship situation, though, which is kind of an unusual situation -- 90% of SDs are married, or single serial-daddies. In his case he's separated but got involved with her before his divorce was final, which makes it an even more rare situation.

It seems like a dick move (in more ways than one) but I would probably put a private investigator on the ex-wife, tailing her long enough to look for any violation of the agreement. I know, the ex-wife is not currently the problem so why throw money in that direction? Pre-emptive strike. If he can catch her in violation of the agreement first, he is mostly off the hook. At least he can say "ok, look you're busted but I can work with you on this" and have an amendment to the separation agreement drawn up that says both can date. Then he's free and clear of any threat from the SB. This of course only works if the ex-wife is actually doing something that's in violation, so it could be a waste of money.

The only other option I see that's completely is to keep things with the current SB copasetic until the finalization of the divorce.

Only thing I don't understand is there is always a "both can date" possible option in any separation agreement. If "no dating" was added for purposes to try and work out the marriage, why violate this to begin with? I'm sure that's another story in itself but bottom line is an agreement is an agreement and if you go through life signing up for promises and not keeping them, your life will continue to blow up in your face anyway. As far as damage control once a legal agreement has been breached, even the best of advice may or may not work out. I'd do whatever I have to do to ride out the agreement then see to it that I didn't make mistakes of such epic proportion again. There are no shortage of penniless, miserable, men out there living alone and barely scraping by who never learned to control sexual addiction.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2211095]I,ve seen her 5 times in 2 months due to major distance problems. Its like a 2 hour drive. Too bad as she is a 8/9/9/9. Very normal girl. Almost too normal for me. She is a little older (28) so not too quick to make a rash decision about who she hangs with. Not sure how you guys deal with that. All the txting in the world isn't the same as seeing someone. But I am staying the course if she does.[/QUOTE]Wow nips look amazing. Any contact info for her?

FYI, SA's recently changed it so unpaid accounts can no longer be hidden from search results.

I've had my profile hidden from search results for over a year now. A week or so ago I noticed I was getting emails saying I'd been viewed by women whose profiles I'd never viewed, so I wondered how they were finding mine to view me. I emailed SA support and they said they've changed it so unpaid accounts can no longer be hidden from search results.

I really think they should've sent out a notification about this change, as I used it to control who could see my profile and I imagine others do too. So, I just wanted to warn you all.

[QUOTE=WillStarr;2213594]Wow nips look amazing. Any contact info for her?[/QUOTE]SD's don't give out contact info on their SB's. On a SW thread some guys do. Try that.

On another note. Anyone ever notice there is a higher percentage of submissive bigger girls as opposed to smaller ones? Unless they are really small then the pendulum swings back.

[QUOTE=UKnowWho;2213683]FYI, SA's recently changed it so unpaid accounts can no longer be hidden from search results.
I've had my profile hidden from search results for over a year now. A week or so ago I noticed I was getting emails saying I'd been viewed by women whose profiles I'd never viewed, so I wondered how they were finding mine to view me. I emailed SA support and they said they've changed it so unpaid accounts can no longer be hidden from search results.
I really think they should've sent out a notification about this change, as I used it to control who could see my profile and I imagine others do too. So, I just wanted to warn you all.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I noticed this. Very lame, it basically means you can't just disable your account temporarily, you either have to tolerate getting mails you won't be able to read until you are a paying member again, or delete your account. I'm not sure how that works for the SB since they don't have to pay at all -- I assume they can still hide themselves from searches and reappear as needed.

We should complain.