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[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3121352]Of all the groups Kijimuna listed in his post, Katy clearly falls in the worst category (pimped, hard upsell, etc). So what I don't get is why you would choose to pass on all of the providers with positive reviews and intel and instead (potentially) waste your hard earned cash on an unreviewed crapshoot girl?[/QUOTE]Ok, you've all convinced me! I've been to all the Thai girls in the top category, and mostly agree. I thought I would venture out beyond those select ladies looking for more excitement, but you've convinced me otherwise. Thanks! BTW, I understand that Patty (now Suda) is now working for a pimp since she has moved to her new digs.

[QUOTE=Kijimuna;3121414]That very well could be. She worked out of Lily's place with a few other ladies. I'm not sure if they are the group that has brought all the other sketchy Thai ladies into the area, but it could be. I'm pretty much removed from the new Thai scene here at the moment. I'm not interested in anything to do with a pimp or exploited women.[/QUOTE]Just a post to heartily agree with you and to expand on the topic of exploitation:

Let's assume, for the sake of argument, that there are varying degrees of "management" spanning the spectrum from beneficial to controlling. Even in the best case managed scenario, a provider who gives any portion of her income to a manager will either have to charge more or, if she keeps her prices at a competitive level, will have to accept a lower level of income. In a worst case scenario she'll be under such control of the manager that it can only be honestly described as an exploitative or trafficking situation.

In view of the above it's certainly better, IMHO, for hobbyists to focus their time, energy and money on independent and well-reviewed providers. One exception (again, IMHO) might be agency girls where the agency has a decent and professional reputation and where the agency's primary role is to provide better marketing and security than the girls could manage on their own. Another exception might be managed providers where, because of their history of reviews and positive intel, it's pretty clear they're in control of their own situation and are not being exploited.

Because it's a free market, hobbyists can see anyone they want. But one of the great benefits of this forum is that it allows the sharing of information such that members can make better decisions and channel their hard-earned cash in a better direction. The more the market favors independent and well-managed providers, the more beneficial it is for everyone.

Just my two-cents worth.

I am planning a exploration next week with one of these. If you have any been on a similar trip, let me know:

Kimmy looking for regulars.

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Search of pics and # says she has been around Jersey and here. Pics used by others, so probably fake.

Smokin hot ethiopian.

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Search shows Las Vegas and Jersey. Pics may be too good to be true.

Sundae Hot and Ready.

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/hot-and-ready-sundae-magic-touch-cali-cmt-guaranteed-2-come-back-for-more/25072681[/URL]

Shows up in Sacramento. Pics change with her adds.

[QUOTE=Kijimuna;3120902]There are a few different types of Thai ladies working in the area.

Strictly legit: Nina, angel massage, sasi. Nothing but a good massage for most customers.

The honest ones: KK, Tara, Patty, Cristine, Nalee. Who offer varying levels of option. Are honest and are not trying to rip you off. They care if you will return.

The mostly good: Reya, Lily, Sharron, Nikki. Who are in the business for the money but also want to make you happy.

The bad: All the other new faces who post sexy pictures. They are controlled by a pimp and are required to upsell hard. They don't get to leave their condo much and are not in a good situation.[/QUOTE]In the strictly legit category, you can also add Nana and Kattie ([URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/nana-and-kattie/23541775[/URL]). They're in their 20's and associated with KK but are 100% legit. They told me if a client even hints at any kind of HE they will not see him and even a regular client will be blacklisted if he asks for more than legit massage. The four-hand for 120/ hr is a good value and even the two-hand for 80/ hr (Kattie only because Nana is the shy one) is OK. Krissa is another legit Thai masseuse worth seeing although her prices are higher than average. I think she just moved to a new studio so I don't know what her current charges are but, IIRC, she's open to lowering her price if she's having a slow day or week ([URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/incall-outcall-upscale-hotel-by-thai-masseuse/23771894[/URL]).

In the honest ones category, Nalee has a visiting friend (Amy - [URL]https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/5840571784.html[/URL]). I haven't seen her but I doubt Nalee would be helping her advertise if she didn't offer a similar value. As I think I've posted before, I think 180 for 90 minutes is a little high so for that reason I haven't made the trek out to Centreville for quite a while. But for those in that area, Amy might be worth a try for an hr session. And it's also interesting to consider what a four-hand session might be like, although it's my guess that kind of session might also carry a premium price. Korean Angie is another reliable option at 120/ hr although she can be hard to book sometimes ([URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-massage/25340533[/URL]).

In the mostly good category, Nicole has mixed reviews but I've had good sessions in the past. She used to work with Cristine but I'm not sure if that relationship is still ongoing (haven't been in a while). And also I think I read in recent reviews that she may have downgraded her menu options so YMMV. But at 120/ hr her FBSM is still comparable to what you'd pay at an AMP. Here's her latest ad: [URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/relaxation-with-nuru-hot-stone-and-body-rub/20269481[/URL].

In the bad category, there are too many to list. The easiest way to avoid them is to stick to providers in the first three categories because anything else is strictly a crapshoot. Of course, if positive reviews and intel start to come in for some of the newer girls, it's certainly possible for them to move into a better category. But unless and until that happens the risk of overspending and getting poor value in return is too high, IMHO.

[QUOTE=NeRomancer;3120381]I responded to one of the many Backpages escort ads titled, "225-210-1272 NEW Japanese HoT NEW PROFESSIONAL 20".

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/225-210-1272-new-japanese-hot-new-young-professional/24886957[/URL]

BIG MISTAKE.

At least now I know the difference and see the scam these Asians are running. My experience neither what the ad nor pimp what the promised. Not Japanese, not 20 year-old, no nuru, not Hot, not professional, no DFK, Rushed, massage sucked, and not a full hour.

Communication was all done via text, got to the place and waited 20 minutes before I was called up to the hotel room. As soon as she opened the door I was disappointed and that feeling did not leave the entire time. I tried to make the most of it during my stay. She could have been in her late thirties or mid forties and did not speak much English. She was not wet but puzzlingly she had some scented gel applied, which to me seemed to mimic the real stuff. And she was very clear on no kissing and guarded any FIV or from DATY. The experience was very mechanical and she just seemed to follow a script. Took two calls while I was there, did not let me take a shower to clean off after and told me she has a customer coming. Overall, I was left disappointed but I took this as a learning experience.

Stephanie was so much better and even under $$. She let me have fun with her and never felt uncomfortable. If I ever do it again I am going back and want to explore that daddy fetish she has. Stephanie let me fantasize as though I was getting royal treatment, passionate, caring, fun, and gave me exclusive attention. The only con was that she was not a good masseuse but she admitted to not having experience which I rather hear than faking and promising a lame job. YMMV on the open mouth kissing, other fun, and physically she is a wonderful sight for exploring eyes. I think she is willing to provide a GFE for repeat customers who treat her nice or if you just give her $$. 4.[/QUOTE]NeRomancer, the Asian crapshoot ads have been around for far too long. I'm sorry to hear of your experience. At least you didn't have as painful a session, literally as well as figuratively, as I did the last time I visited one of the Asian crapshoot providers.

I've never seen Stephanie / Tiffany so I can't comment on her services. Hopefully you can find someone who gives a good massage as well as other services. Please share about your experiences if you do so.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3121946]In the strictly legit category, you can also add Nana and Kattie ([URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/nana-and-kattie/23541775[/URL]). They're in their 20's and associated with KK but are 100% legit. They told me if a client even hints at any kind of HE they will not see him and even a regular client will be blacklisted if he asks for more than legit massage. The four-hand for 120/ hr is a good value and even the two-hand for 80/ hr (Kattie only because Nana is the shy one) is OK.[/QUOTE]Yes, pretty much any of the ladies associated with KK are worth a visit. Kate is another legit lady for the list (at least for me). But gives a great massage.

[QUOTE=TopSpinner;3121671]Ok, you've all convinced me! I've been to all the Thai girls in the top category, and mostly agree. I thought I would venture out beyond those select ladies looking for more excitement, but you've convinced me otherwise. Thanks! BTW, I understand that Patty (now Suda) is now working for a pimp since she has moved to her new digs.[/QUOTE]Patty doesn't have a pimp. She pays someone to advertise for her, but isn't controlled in any way. Suda rents space at Patty's apartment.

[QUOTE=NeRomancer;3118083]You might be mistaken about accuracy in the pictures. I noted her tattoo markings and when I was there I found them to be a close match. She is older but in the case I am wrong the fun factor is still there regardless.[/QUOTE]She wore the outfit from the picture. I have been with stefanie too. Look at the face and you can tell. Stef is a better value. Jade was ten Benny's for a two hour play date. Fun, but I won't repeat.

[QUOTE=NeRomancer;3120381]I responded to one of the many Backpages escort ads titled, "225-210-1272 NEW Japanese HoT NEW PROFESSIONAL 20".

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/225-210-1272-new-japanese-hot-new-young-professional/24886957[/URL]

BIG MISTAKE.

At least now I know the difference and see the scam these Asians are running. My experience neither what the ad nor pimp what the promised. Not Japanese, not 20 year-old, no nuru, not Hot, not professional, no DFK, Rushed, massage sucked, and not a full hour.

Communication was all done via text, got to the place and waited 20 minutes before I was called up to the hotel room. As soon as she opened the door I was disappointed and that feeling did not leave the entire time. I tried to make the most of it during my stay. She could have been in her late thirties or mid forties and did not speak much English. She was not wet but puzzlingly she had some scented gel applied, which to me seemed to mimic the real stuff. And she was very clear on no kissing and guarded any FIV or from DATY. The experience was very mechanical and she just seemed to follow a script. Took two calls while I was there, did not let me take a shower to clean off after and told me she has a customer coming. Overall, I was left disappointed but I took this as a learning experience.

Stephanie was so much better and even under $$. She let me have fun with her and never felt uncomfortable. If I ever do it again I am going back and want to explore that daddy fetish she has. Stephanie let me fantasize as though I was getting royal treatment, passionate, caring, fun, and gave me exclusive attention. The only con was that she was not a good masseuse but she admitted to not having experience which I rather hear than faking and promising a lame job. YMMV on the open mouth kissing, other fun, and physically she is a wonderful sight for exploring eyes. I think she is willing to provide a GFE for repeat customers who treat her nice or if you just give her $$. 4.[/QUOTE]Fake TGTBT pics (and sometimes videos), even if they claim they're real; fake claims of exceptional service (GFE, B-2-B, kissing, nuru, etc.); and fake ethnicity claims (Japanese? Really? Give me an effin' break)! Most, if not all, of these ads are done by professional advertisers who are hired by the agencies. That's why they're all so similar and use the same recurring themes. Their only purpose is to get you to make the call so the scheduler can convince you to show up at their door. They know that once they get you to make the trip the little head will kick in so that you're more likely to stay than you are to leave.

There have been so many posts about these places that I'm surprised you didn't find them by RTFF. Even scrolling through a few pages of search results using the keyword "Asian" would have turned up useful info. Sorry you ended up having a bad experience. OTOH, there are interesting possibilities in some of these places because sometimes you can find a undiscovered gem. There are ways to play this game that will maximize your odds of winning and minimize potential losses. If you search using "crapshoot" you'll find lots of discussion and tips on this topic.

P.S. There are a few (very few) places that offer a bit more consistency (for example, the Centreville Chinese MILFs). The best way to find these is to RTFF for positive intel.

P. P.S. I've seen Stephanie and I would put her in Kijimuna's "mostly good" category. She's really more about the $ than she is about building a regular client base, IMHO. Her massage is poor (and she knows it) but, despite that fact, I don't see her offering any kind of discount as an offset. So to see her for FBSM at 120 per hr is not a great value. And her upcharge for FS, even for a GFE or near-GFE session, makes her just an average value.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3121946]
In the mostly good category, Nicole has mixed reviews but I've had good sessions in the past. She used to work with Cristine but I'm not sure if that relationship is still ongoing (haven't been in a while). And also I think I read in recent reviews that she may have downgraded her menu options so YMMV. But at 120/ hr her FBSM is still comparable to what you'd pay at an AMP. Here's her latest ad: [URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/relaxation-with-nuru-hot-stone-and-body-rub/20269481[/URL].[/QUOTE]My experience with Nicole wasn't good, but others have enjoyed better sessions so she is definitely a YMMV provider. When I clicked on the ad, I noticed she not only uses the name Nicole, though misspelled, but also Lily. I wonder what's going on.

I haven't seen Cristine's name in an ad in months, but I noticed an ad linked to Nicole's and the number in that ad is one Cristine used in the past. That may mean Cristine and Nicole are still working together, or maybe not. Who knows?

[QUOTE=TomMcAn;3122362]My experience with Nicole wasn't good, but others have enjoyed better sessions so she is definitely a YMMV provider. When I clicked on the ad, I noticed she not only uses the name Nicole, though misspelled, but also Lily. I wonder what's going on.

I haven't seen Cristine's name in an ad in months, but I noticed an ad linked to Nicole's and the number in that ad is one Cristine used in the past. That may mean Cristine and Nicole are still working together, or maybe not. Who knows?[/QUOTE]I haven't seen either Cristine or Nicole for a long time but I did hear from Cristine that she has a new woman, Jenny, working with her.

[URL]https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/5840708907.html[/URL]

About Lily, it's possible Nicole is using more than one name but it's also possible Lily is a different provider entirely and theyre just sharing the same number.

For those who are thinking of seeing Nicole, my best advice is to be ready to give direction because she's very passive. Her English isn't great but she understands enough to know what you want. And, even if her menu has become more limited, her basic 120 session with HE is about what you'd pay at an AMP. For Cristine I really don't have any suggestions. I stopped seeing her because it seemed she got burned out and the quality of her massage really went downhill and she became more rushed. I can't give any intel about Jenny or Lily (if she's someone other than Nicole) because I haven't seen either of them.

Cristine isn't using her name in her most recent ads but she's still using her 816 number. If anyone has had a session with her recently I'd be very interested to hear whether her quality has made a comeback or if it's still in the toilet.

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hot-stone-massage-nuru-with-nice-touch-body-rubs-shaving-and-nail-care/17055171[/URL]

I don't venture onto BP that often but I dreamed I saw this ad a few times and could not resist:

[URL]http://nova.backpage.com/BodyRubs/body-rub-available-now-body-rub/23812858[/URL]

In my dream, the first time I contacted her we had difficulty connecting (my fault, she prefers phone to text) but the second time was the charm and we set up a 30 minute date. She lives in a nice apartment complex near Fair Oaks and while it's a little hard to find her place, she gives good directions and talks you through it.

Again in my dream, she was on time for the date. She opened the door and I was pleasantly surprised. Total hottie is right. (Interestingly, I don't think it's the girl in the ad, Jackie is at least 5-9 and has a few tasteful tattoos. If anything she is hotter than the girl in the pic). Tall, blonde, great body, face and tan. The apartment is clean and comfortable, there was nice music on, and I lay down on a bed on a clean towel. The rub was just what I needed, a little pressure but mostly sensual, some nice conversation. She's a very cute and funny person. In a few minutes she asked if I wanted to turn over and of course I did. The finish in my dream was standard, no BJ offered and no mutual touching, but it was expertly done and the view offered was spectacular.

In summary had a great time, especially for the price, and hope to repeat this dream often.

[QUOTE=JmSuttr;3122436]I haven't seen either Cristine or Nicole for a long time but I did hear from Cristine that she has a new woman, Jenny, working with her.

[URL]https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/thp/5840708907.html[/URL]

About Lily, it's possible Nicole is using more than one name but it's also possible Lily is a different provider entirely and theyre just sharing the same number.

For those who are thinking of seeing Nicole, my best advice is to be ready to give direction because she's very passive. Her English isn't great but she understands enough to know what you want. And, even if her menu has become more limited, her basic 120 session with HE is about what you'd pay at an AMP. For Cristine I really don't have any suggestions. I stopped seeing her because it seemed she got burned out and the quality of her massage really went downhill and she became more rushed. I can't give any intel about Jenny or Lily (if she's someone other than Nicole) because I haven't seen either of them.

Cristine isn't using her name in her most recent ads but she's still using her 816 number. If anyone has had a session with her recently I'd be very interested to hear whether her quality has made a comeback or if it's still in the toilet.

[URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/hot-stone-massage-nuru-with-nice-touch-body-rubs-shaving-and-nail-care/17055171[/URL][/QUOTE]I Googled Jenny's number and came up with a review for a provider named Lily at a certain other site. Could Jenny and Lily be one and the same? Or perhaps Jenny and Nicole? Good question. In any case, the public portion of the review says the photo isn't Lily's. It's hard to tell from the public portion of the review whether it's favorable. Perhaps someone with VIP privileges can provide details.

This is getting stranger and stranger.

Hi all. Longtime frequent peruser, very infrequent monger. Been mostly chasing civies on OKCupid, considering the sugar daddy route in the near future. Last providers I saw way back in the day were Nia the Italian Sex Kitten and that crazy Taylor Yates, names that might ring a bell with some of the longtime DMV mongers. I know my posting history is non-existent, just want to hopefully establish some street cred.

Anyhow, I had an itch to scratch and Melanie (703) 649-9051 looked like she would fit the bill. [URL]http://washingtondc.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/slim-goddess-let-me-be-apart-your-wildest-fantasies/19107916[/URL] (seven zero three-six four nine-nine zero five one, should the phone # get redacted in the post).

She has a couple of reviews on The othER site, so I figured she was legit. I called to ask about a half hour visit (40), which is a bit high for 30 minutes but I figured what the hell. Told her I was on my way and where I was coming from to give her a frame of reference for time. She texted me the address as soon as we hung up and I was on my way.

Got to the spot in Manassas, no uncle hanging around so I called and let her know I was there. She said she'd text me the room # in a few minutes, which she did. I was greeted by an attractive mixed girl of African-American and Latin descent. Not the girl in the pictures, but pretty and very friendly when I came in, so I didn't feel the need to do an about-face and leave because she used different pics. Light skinned, about 5 foot, maybe 100 lbs, A-cup, small waist, nice little ass, definitely a spinner. A few tattoos, but nothing too distracting, as I typically don't like tatts. I vibed with her very well before, during, and after our time together. Didn't rush at all, had a few rules, but nothing unreasonable. Face: 7 Body: 8 Attitude: 10 Skills: 8.

Once inside the room a Melanie gave me a nice warm hug and did an LE check. Chatted a bit and she started stripping, which I started doing as well. Stood behind her and copped a feel of her luscious little breasts which she seemed to enjoy. Laid back on the bed while she sat next to me and unwrapped the hat. Wasn't hard yet, but she got me there with an enjoyable CBJ. I'm average length, but she went up and down the whole length very sensually. She said to let her know when to climb on top. I was enjoying her head game very much and asked if I could return the favor. She agreed and got on top of me in a 69. She kept caressing the entire length of my cock with her mouth, couldn't help but release into the hat. Really enjoyed licking her little kitty, tasty little thing. She asked for no FIV, so of course I respected her wishes. Didn't do PIV this visit, but from what I saw, Melanie seemed like she would be very tight, I'll have to see her again to confirm. Enjoyed the afterglow and chatted, great conversationalist. Melanie is definitely worth a visit, would recommend without reservation.