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[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6498610]You're completely off the mark. LOL. I never talk about "my girls" because I don't broadcast my private life on a forum for sex-crazed guys.

OFC there's a variety, including the neo-traditionalist types that seek validation about how romantic their arrangements are on reddit. I was speaking of a specific kind of user, specifically the semi-pro women on SA. But on the whole, I believe mutual respect includes not being a sucker. And I don't buy into the idea that some sugaring is somehow progressive and "more than" sex work.[/QUOTE]You broadcast your attitude about those you see with "I agree 100% with the classification of sex work. Includes sugaring". That is what you get because that is your attitude. I get something different (and different women for sure) because I am going for something else.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6493861]So, if she knew about this site then either:

1. Some asshole White Knight told her about this site and sent her here.

2. She was already a hooker and knew about it.[/QUOTE]Well if she's a hooker she's probably starving because she has a shit attitude. You wouldn't even get past the first contact and lose interest.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6498658]You broadcast your attitude about those you see with "I agree 100% with the classification of sex work. Includes sugaring". That is what you get because that is your attitude. I get something different (and different women for sure) because I am going for something else.[/QUOTE]Buddy, if you're paying for a woman's company, and sex is involved, it's sex work. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. That's not an attitude, it's a fact. You're here so obviously you understand that on some level.

I'm going to drop this one sided conversation, LOL. Thank you, mod, for your patience. Let's get back to actual useful information.

Most of the girls on the sugar sites are really bad at business. Which makes sense because if they were good at business they wouldn't need to be there.

A lot of them happen to be in emergency-level financial trouble, like being a few days away from eviction. So if they need $1000 to stay in their dumpy apartment with their two kids, they'll ask for $1000 for a meeting. There is no supply and demand, only desperation and panic talking. My own experience has been if you actually talk to them and listen to them (and get them to listen) you can often work something decent out.

I also think that when a woman really needs money, she can be really cold-blooded about it. And I think a lot of girls won't take money for a fuck only because they are terrified they will be murdered or even more terrified that their social circle will find out about it.

[QUOTE=Darkhosis;6500252]Buddy, if you're paying for a woman's company, and sex is involved, it's sex work. There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it. That's not an attitude, it's a fact. You're here so obviously you understand that on some level.

I'm going to drop this one sided conversation, LOL. Thank you, mod, for your patience. Let's get back to actual useful information.[/QUOTE]Are you married? I'd say that my 'ppm' w / my SO is 10 x greater than anything I have ever paid to an escort, masseuse, etc. Or are your powers of reasoning not grasping?

[QUOTE=MarkoRamius;6500332]
I also think that when a woman really needs money, she can be really cold-blooded about it. And I think a lot of girls won't take money for a fuck only because they are terrified they will be murdered or even more terrified that their social circle will find out about it.[/QUOTE]Bingo. Too many guys here are idiots who think SBs are just cheaper hookers and act on that misplaced belief. The reality is they are afraid some rando is going to murder them and that their friends or family will find out. Act like an idiot dork and they'll pass on you no matter how much they need or want the money.

I've been fucking 19-23 yo olds off SA and SB for years at 200-300 ppm or 1000/ mo all you can eat simply by treating them like normal girls and making sure they don't think I'm going to kill them or out them to their friends. I've spent more time in dorm rooms in my older years than I ever spent when I was a college kid myself simply by listening to them and building trust. You'd be surprised what a young girl will do for you willingly just by being normal. Young girls these days are freaks in bed as smooth as dolphins (it’s amazing how many girls are getting full body laser hair removal these days) if you got actual game.

[QUOTE=Merovingian2;6500596]if you got actual game.[/QUOTE]My man, this is a site entirely dedicated to paying women to fuck. The vast majority have absolutely no game, and if they did, they might not need to partake nearly as much in the hobby.

Any discreet ways to pay for SA? I tried a Vanilla prepaid Visa and it didn't work, had to go through some giant hassle with Vanilla to get the balance back. It used to work for me in the past.

Any other options?

[QUOTE=VanDawg;6501110]Any discreet ways to pay for SA? I tried a Vanilla prepaid Visa and it didn't work, had to go through some giant hassle with Vanilla to get the balance back. It used to work for me in the past.

Any other options?[/QUOTE]The OneVanilla prepaid that used to work is no longer available. I have posted extensively on this, search my posts about Blackhawk cards.

[QUOTE=VanDawg;6501110]Any discreet ways to pay for SA? I tried a Vanilla prepaid Visa and it didn't work, had to go through some giant hassle with Vanilla to get the balance back. It used to work for me in the past.

Any other options?[/QUOTE]This topic has been discussed extensively here. Try doing a search.

[QUOTE=VanDawg;6501110]Any discreet ways to pay for SA? I tried a Vanilla prepaid Visa and it didn't work, had to go through some giant hassle with Vanilla to get the balance back. It used to work for me in the past.

Any other options?[/QUOTE]I have used the Bluebird prepaid debit card.

[QUOTE=Merovingian2;6500596]Bingo. Too many guys here are idiots who think SBs are just cheaper hookers and act on that misplaced belief. The reality is they are afraid some rando is going to murder them and that their friends or family will find out. Act like an idiot dork and they'll pass on you no matter how much they need or want the money.

I've been fucking 19-23 yo olds off SA and SB for years at 200-300 ppm or 1000/ mo all you can eat simply by treating them like normal girls and making sure they don't think I'm going to kill them or out them to their friends. I've spent more time in dorm rooms in my older years than I ever spent when I was a college kid myself simply by listening to them and building trust. You'd be surprised what a young girl will do for you willingly just by being normal. Young girls these days are freaks in bed as smooth as dolphins (its amazing how many girls are getting full body laser hair removal these days) if you got actual game.[/QUOTE]My experience has been the same, generally. I've even stayed in touch with a couple. But what is normal may seem obvious to you, it's not to others. And, frankly, I am wary of giving any kind of insight like that on here. Especially anything that can be used by the a-holes who are the reason why girls are so cautious.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;6500447]Are you married? I'd say that my 'ppm' w / my SO is 10 x greater than anything I have ever paid to an escort, masseuse, etc. Or are your powers of reasoning not grasping?[/QUOTE]Marriage is the most expensive sex work! That's why there's mortgages and first borns involved!

[QUOTE=FromTheJump2;6500924]My man, this is a site entirely dedicated to paying women to fuck. The vast majority have absolutely no game, and if they did, they might not need to partake nearly as much in the hobby.[/QUOTE]Some of us have game but are just fucking lazy and don't want to work that hard.

Civvy girls too often make you jump through a lot of hoops when you just want to unzip and drop trou and get it over with. And they know that by making you jump through those hoops you become invested and make multiple bad decisions.

I'm not paying them to stay, I'm paying them to leave.

Eager to connect, want 700 per.

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