"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Sorry if I am over posting. The girl from last night just txted me. So we are still cool. She just slept all day. Too bad for both of us. Anyway I wrote this in my down time today. Edit as needed. It's for all you guys that like a challenge.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Then the next big issue is can you even trust most of these guys. Many of them are married or cheating on their girlfriend. Kinda hard to trust someone that's already being unfaithful.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

But you have to take the first step. I will if you will".

I am gonna try this out on some of these reluctant MILFS. Anyone else that tries it please report back.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2200691]Sorry if I am over posting. The girl from last night just txted me. So we are still cool. She just slept all day. Too bad for both of us. Anyway I wrote this in my down time today. Edit as needed. It's for all you guys that like a challenge.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Then the next big issue is can you even trust most of these guys. Many of them are married or cheating on their girlfriend. Kinda hard to trust someone that's already being unfaithful.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

But you have to take the first step. I will if you will".

I am gonna try this out on some of these reluctant MILFS. Anyone else that tries it please report back.[/QUOTE]I guess this is enough. I forget how many guys are married here.

"I've met a few girls like you before. Meaning they initially come on this site with a prince charming or knight in shining armour fantasy, and hoping to meet some guy that's going to sweep them off their feet and spend tens of thousands of dollars.

Does that ever happen? I'm sure it does here and there.

Lets face it, if you could just meet a single, chill, sweet, real guy, that's good to you and good in bed, and doesn't mind spending a reasonable amount of money everytime they see you. Wouldn't that be a step up from where you are now?

Reading this again now, it is pretty direct.. But for the girls that can appreciate that, you will strike a chord.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2200727]I guess this is enough. I forget how many guys are married here.
[/QUOTE]They say 90%+ SDs are married, and being married changes everything about how an SD plays the game. A typical SB would put priority on a bachelor SD over a married one, because in her mind it is an opportunity to get more for herself. If he's married, there will always be constraints on his time and expenditure. For the SBs looking for more than money, and in search of a "very supportive boyfriend", I think they try to avoid married men when possible (not withstanding a financial crisis they may have from time to time which forces them to be flexible), simply because they see the situation from a territorial standpoint ("if he has to take care of her that means less for me" The more they lean toward the UTR state of mind, the less likely they are to care about whether he is married or not. Think about it, an escort would actually prefer he is married, it means he will have somewhere to go after the money shot instead of hanging around and getting in the way of her next appointment.

Understanding this whole dynamic can be used to your advantage once you know how to read them. You can use discretion as a tool even when you don't really need it. When I am in another city, I don't have to worry about it because I'm not going to get caught by my GF or her friends one way or another. But even then, I sometimes use dialog to figure out what kind of girl I'm dealing with. I'll give an example:

Me: The thing is, I need total discretion for career reasons, can we meet at a hotel that will let me check in anonymously?

Typical UTR girl response:

(a) That's not a problem, I need discretion too.

(b) Oh don't worry, secrecy is my specialty!

(c) Don't worry baby you can come to my place and I'll take care of you!

Typical Real SB response:

(a) OMG are you married?! Your profile said you weren't! WTF!

(b) That's not what I was looking for actually, this is just like any other form of dating for me.

(c) I'm okay with a certain amount of discretion but this makes me wonder what you're hiding and I'm not comfortable with that.

This is not to say that SB's don't fuck married men, they do. But their approach is different and you can kind of detect it in initial interaction with them if you work the dialog right.

But, if you look at statistics I think true bachelor SDs are in the minority, so I would definitely use that to your advantage. Me, I'm in the middle. I become a free-wheeling bachelor only when the planets line up, but when I do then look out. LOL. But ultimately I'm not REALLY available the way the true SBs I've met would like me to be. It's just one of those things in life. If I were really available, I'd probably be focusing on looking for someone who is not a self-admitted gold-digger, something no SB can deny. So I typically steer clear of SB sites when I'm single and just focus on free pussy. Yet, if I were really filthy rich, I would probably come to the conclusion that a real relationship isn't possible and just bang everything I could get my hands on. Hugh Hefner comes to mind, although it seems to me he is still under the delusion that these young broads would love him if he was penniless. I think I'd rather have a boner with no where to go than be as out of touch with reality as that at his age.

JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.

My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.

All the other hundreds of my contacts have not been bothered by marriage. Some I asked opined that they like a married man because they do not want the complications of an IRL relationship. They want help with finances. And married guys require discretion as well. Most 22 yr old girls don't want to flash around a 60 yr old guy in public anyway.

If you are a younger SD, I would say under 40 ,SBs might look at you as a potential IRL partner. IMHO this is why a guy like JL can have so much success in the dating arena. There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved. My partners are blown away by the sex they have with me LOL. But that doesn't mean they'll see me for nothing or take me home to Momma.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2202240]JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.[/QUOTE]Few of my SBs seem to have BFs. I know that is an unknown, but most are busy with life, work or school, and are happy getting their rocks off with Daddy and don't really have time for an IRL relationship, which takes nurturing. Obviously UTRs and PROs are an exception.

[QUOTE=RubberyMan;2202240]JeezLizard,

Following on from that excellent post, would you like to follow on with a sequel on the converse situation?

That is, what percentage of SB are actually partnered? For it seems to me quite likely that since many SB are attractive and fun to be with, it is likely that they have had plenty of guys hitting on them by the age of 18, and that some surely would have a steady or husband.

If so, that might explain "flakey" behaviour in some of them as they are trying to juggle marital obligations with extracting $$ from us.[/QUOTE]Most of the SBs I've known are hot enough that they have a constant supply of men of all ages hitting on them wherever they go. Facebook allows us a lot of insight into people's lives these days, and using that as a research tool has helped me to observe. In terms of married SBs, based on the ones I've met I think they are definitely the minority, although I have definitely seen them -- I've even seen some indicate such in their profile. As far as having boyfriends, etc. I would say the majority of them have something else going on whether it is a boyfriend, prospective boyfriend with a relationship forming, a fiancé, etc. One of mine still lived with her "ex boyfriend", and told me she still loved him but that he "hated her and was only nice when he wanted sex", so she was still fucking him intermittently. Another one told me that she prefers dating older men but if she is not in an SD situation she has "other male friends" that help with her sexual needs. I know of one of my former SBs that I do believe was legitimately single when I saw her, and her FB page today indicates she is in a serious relationship with a guy close to her age and as far as I know she's out of the SB scene currently.

So basically I don't think there's a formula. Women are women, but in SB dating I think there's a high probability she's got something else going on the side, whether financial or emotionally motivated. Usually SD / SB arrangements are prefaced as "NSA" agreements, and most women want to have some strings attached to someone at all times, so they see NSA as a license to have other activities just as the SD does.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.

All the other hundreds of my contacts have not been bothered by marriage. Some I asked opined that they like a married man because they do not want the complications of an IRL relationship. They want help with finances. And married guys require discretion as well. Most 22 yr old girls don't want to flash around a 60 yr old guy in public anyway.

If you are a younger SD, I would say under 40 ,SBs might look at you as a potential IRL partner. IMHO this is why a guy like JL can have so much success in the dating arena. There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved. My partners are blown away by the sex they have with me LOL. But that doesn't mean they'll see me for nothing or take me home to Momma.[/QUOTE]Actually I'm not under 40. LOL. But I understand what you're saying. There will be a time when for whatever reason I'm older than most 20 year olds would be comfortable dating in public and at that point my options will be different than they are today. Actually I've met 20 year olds in the past who confused me for being younger, and got freaked out when they learned my age (that was in civy dating though, haven't got that reaction from an SB yet).

But your experience with those not bothered by marriage really mixes well with what I wrote. The ones that are strictly money motivated tend to be more on the UTR side, thus unconcerned whether you're married or not. They may even make up the majority of the girls on these SB sites. As I've written before, sometimes the line between a UTR and a true SB is not black and white. There are just certain traits that we can use to categorize them (if it walks like a duck, etc).

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]My experience has been the polar opposite from JL. I make it clear up front that I am married (actually it is in my profile) and I have only had 1 Pot I hit on who said she was disgusted by a guy who would cheat on his wife (but she is fine taking money for sex LOL) We each have a moral line to draw.
.[/QUOTE]My profile is down right now, but I also made it clear that I was married, and even put in my post I did not care if they were married. As I have mentioned before, of the 15 or so I have seen this year, only 2 have not been married or engaged, so my status was a bonus for them. Only 1 decided not to go to FC because I was married. Of the ones that were really UTR's, they were the 2 single girls. The married ones have all been quasi exclusive on the extra curricular activites...meaning they are fucking me and their spouse.

Another thing to point out is that sometimes indifference to whether we are married or not is observed in civy dating, too. There are some women that have recurring patterns of dating married men. The theory is that they are attracted to something they can't have, or maybe there is something inside them that makes them competitive enough to see if they can steal another woman's man?

I once was talking to a stripper about what a PITA someone I was dating at the time was. She said "listen, I can tell you because I'm a woman -- we are evil creatures". She then proceeded to tell me a story about how once she had a married regular customer that would always come in and buy lap dances. She said she didn't really like him at all, but she decided to play a game and see if she could lure him away from his wife and family. So over a period of weeks / months she started dating him, convinced him to leave his wife for her, etc. Then after he did, she just dumped him. I said why would you intentionally screw up someone's life like that? She said "just to see if I could, it was a competitive thing. I told you, we're evil!"

So, there's that.

SBs and UTRs are just women at the end of the day, there are some that are "evil" like the above example, or some that view marriage as something not particularly important in the big scheme of things one way or another (that vows were made for breaking), and there will be some who think that marriage is the only thing sacred in life and that anyone who cheats is slime. In general, girls you meet on SB sites are going to be a lot more tolerant of it than anywhere other than the escort scene, because of the wide spectrum of girl types you meet there. Why? Mostly because the majority of SDs are married, so if they've been on the site more than a day or so they've already dealt with the subject in their mind.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2202439]There is not one 20 something yr old who would go on a date with a 60 yr old without money involved.[/QUOTE]I agree with this 99% of the time. But I currently have one that refuses to take my money and she is actually the horniest one that I have the longest sessions with. Is she the best looking? No. But she is 21 and a freak. I can do almost anything with her, and she is actually pushing my limits.

Hey all! First, my sincerest and deepest gratitude to you veteran SD's who have posted so much valuable information here for me to research and properly prepare for my upcoming SD adventures. I have been in the bowl for just over a week (I joined SA 10 days ago) and have my first M&G set for tomorrow with a true SB first-timer, 30 YO smoking hot blonde who needs attention and someone to treat her nice, which I definitely will. I have several other MG's set up, been juggling them really among 7 women who want to meet me so far. My first MG setup flaked and went radio silent, now she's hitting me up for a reschedule but I have seen the unbelievable number of hot young thangs who are available to me and I'm not giving her a second chance. My second MG setup was an Asian girl, about 30, cute, but maybe a 7 overall who didn't like it when I said that I had some free time after the MG to "try each other out" if the MG went well. "If you expect sex on the first date then what you're looking for is a prostitute, not a classy woman!" I responded that I had no expectations at all beyond a nice dinner and a chance to get to know her, but that the next step beyond the MG would include sex. And that if we didn't click, I would not sleep with her because I was NOT looking for a prostitute. Despite being a semi-experienced SB with about a year under her belt, she went silent. Her loss. If the communication is that bad from the start, and she gets offended that easily, then I probably dodged a bullet. Then a GPS who wanted $250 to come to the MG. She's got a marvelous wit and our correspondence has been very stimulating, so I finally said "$250 for dinner, drinks and some intimate time with a beautiful woman is acceptable" and she came back with "As in any relationship, you will have to seduce me and intimate time will cost more. " I told her she was probably worth every penny but I cannot afford her, and to keep me in mind if she could manage $250 all-inclusive. How can a POT charge a'la carte and also claim that it's a relationship? It boggles the mind.

So, tomorrow looks like it's happening. My potential SB has been late-night texting, we've had a couple of long phone calls and it looks like we'll be a great match. I'm psyched as I haven't been on anything resembling a date in many years. She is so excited she took the entire day off of work for our lunch meet. If it goes to the FC I will be prepared. But I have already avoided several pitfalls mainly because of your sage advice here, and I intend to contribute to this forum as I gain experience in the bowl. Wish me luck and I hope to report back with a successful meet and some awesome FC action.

SOL.

I'm trying to stay out of the bowl. Burns up too much of my time and attention. I let my sa acct go dead but I keep my toes in the water a little.

22 year old freak is constantly chasing me down. I've gone to strictly bjs cause she is a dirty hippie and I think she screws everything. She is a filthy who're and I can do anything. This last time I videoed her gagging on it for 30 minutes before I painted her and the wall behind her. She should be in porn. She even makes the loudest and sexiest noises while sucking.

22 year old mom keeps having a crisis of conscience. But every time the bills come due she comes calling. If she hadn't had a kid her body would be a 10. But it's an 8 now and she is fairly skilled. BJ is lacking like most are. I think she could learn but our time is normally rushed.

New 24 year old innocent girl is a little thick but her face is pretty and she is super innocent and sweet. After a month of delays got to the fc today and it was what I thought. She was innocent and not very experienced acting but she tried hard and was enthusiastic to suck to finish me. Her BJ was the standard sub par, although we could force it down her throat, but she seemed very interested in getting better. She asked me not to get it in her face so that's something we will have to over come. Her body was a 6 but she was super wet and snug.

Coeds are back in school and there are 42,000 females attending 10 Four year universities within 70 miles of my home town. This does not include the junior Colleges which are prolific as well. How about those numbers? There are another 40,000 within 3 hours. Mind (and other) blowing stats for sure. Colleges are fertile shopping malls for broke not so moral youngsters willing to spread their (er) wings to make ends meet. Pun intended.

My inbox is lit up and I have neither the time nor the money to entertain them all. Decisions must be made which are not easy.

SB #1 is Asian, beautiful, and willing to do whatever I want. She is a little chubby, which is not to my liking. So I like to pad the calendar a little more.

SB #2 is in the wind. We did a great great arrangement but could not meet enough to satisfy the terms of the deal. So that is off. Too bad since she was a true 9 across the board.

FB #1 vaporized after owing me some money. She unfortunately was a Nando 1 to the core and constantly wanted a loan or advance. We worked out a repay schedule but she's gone.

Pots I am working are:

1) 18 yr old college frosh ,2) 19 yr old Frosh, 23 yr old Senior all slim and ready for the M&G.

So many Babies, so little time and money!

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2202484] I once was talking to a stripper about what a PITA someone I was dating at the time was. She said "listen, I can tell you because I'm a woman -- we are evil creatures". She then proceeded to tell me a story about how once she had a married regular customer that would always come in and buy lap dances. She said she didn't really like him at all, but she decided to play a game and see if she could lure him away from his wife and family. So over a period of weeks / months she started dating him, convinced him to leave his wife for her, etc. Then after he did, she just dumped him. I said why would you intentionally screw up someone's life like that? She said "just to see if I could, it was a competitive thing. I told you, we're evil!" [/QUOTE]Reminds me of the time a girl and I went to a casino and stopped at the casino's dress shop. We were not getting along particularly well at the time. She picked out a dress I didn't like. I voiced no opinion and paid. Later she told me she didn't like the dress. I asked why she asked for it then. She said, "To punish you." I took too long getting rid of her because she was hot as the dickens for her age and fuqued like a mink.

Some women are good through and through and others are down right mean. It's hard to tell what's behind that smile sometimes.