"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

This info might help educate pot SB's about the economics of our hobby. Within 50 miles of Richmond, there are 243 pots who have been active in the past two weeks, 345 in the past month, and 1046 total profiles.

In the same radius of Richmond there are 114 pots age 18-29 who self identify as "slim, athletic, or average" and who are requesting "negotiable, minimal, or practical" sums / month who have been active in the past 2 weeks. There are 158 such pots who have been active in the past month, and 493 total profiles.

Within 50 miles of Richmond, there are 106 registered sugar daddies who have been active in the past 2 weeks, 131 who have been active within the past month, and 160 total. That includes ALL ages, fitness levels, gift levels offered, etc.

There are 11 daddies who list their body shape as "slim, athletic, or average" and their offered gift level as moderate or higher (3 k / month) who have been active within the past 2 weeks, 20 in the past month, and 33 total.

It might help us if the girls know that the numbers are better than 6:1 in "our" favor, and about 30:1 for the GPS types.

[QUOTE=FeelGoodMd;2189366]I just had another "how much money" text conversation with a POT from SA. The way it ended made me chuckle. She outed herself without even knowing it.

Pot: I'm use to receiving $$$$$ to 10$. Totally understandable if that is not in your range.

Me: If we see each other once or twice week, that's very reasonable for a monthly total.

Pot: Oh ok. I wasn't talking about per month. I was referring to per visit. The lowest I would go would be $$$$$.

Me: I think you'll have to look for other clients, (name). Best of luck.

Pot: Sucks that it won't work out, but good luck to you as well.

I know of no true SB (or even self-deluded UTR who thinks she's an SB) who refers to SD's as "clients. ".

I'm doing my best to diagnose and treat GPS and UTR.

Dr Feelgood.[/QUOTE]Diagnosing is good. Treating is a a waste of time.

I got an interesting voicemail on my burner phone over the weekend: Male voice: "I'm going to tell your wife that you are fucking a 20 year old girl. I might even beat your ass. I'd like to beat your ass. " followed by a Bevis and Butthead type laugh.

I listened to the message just before picking her up from work. She said that was her new BF and he was quite possessive. He found out because she did not delete her text messages.

She does not know my real name or where I live. He sounds too stupid to have a clue.

These girls are often flakes and when they do get BF's, they can be crazier than the girls.

Yes, I do like fucking hot 20 year old girls.

[QUOTE=Vasail;2189577]I got an interesting voicemail on my burner phone over the weekend: Male voice: "I'm going to tell your wife that you are fucking a 20 year old girl. I might even beat your ass. I'd like to beat your ass. " followed by a Bevis and Butthead type laugh.
[/QUOTE]I'd pay her whatever it took to get his address, then show up at his doorstep to see if his offer is any good.

[QUOTE=Vasail;2189577]I got an interesting voicemail on my burner phone over the weekend:
These girls are often flakes and when they do get BF's, they can be crazier than the girls.

Yes, I do like fucking hot 20 year old girls.[/QUOTE]Yeah me too, 20 year old pussy can only be beaten by 30 year old "I can't get enough cock" pussy.

When I was single I had a regular (hot 20 something) that would show up at my place a couple times a week in the middle of the night at bar closing time. I would fix her breakfast then she would be mine. She gets a BF and they get hot and heavy and all of a sudden he was a stalker and followed her there once. Then he showed up at my place a couple of times looking for her. He was a squirrely little dude so I just told him to buzz off. I speak to her about this, and for sport she starts parking her car on the street by my condo overnight for several days straight before she cut him loose. You could see him parked a block away from my unit where he had to sit to see the lights. Her next one was even worse, and by that time I had already moved on. I had to get a scary cop buddy to go explain to him that I would f up his life, and he would be sitting in a jail if I even saw him again. She had to move out of town to get away from that one.

So. If they are flakey, no matter how hot, they have a crazy BF who cannot understand why she prefers 50 year old dick to his, and. Even if you are single, never bring them home.

[QUOTE=Beachesnole02;2190365]
So. If they are flakey, no matter how hot, they have a crazy BF who cannot understand why she prefers 50 year old dick to his, and. Even if you are single, never bring them home.[/QUOTE]And to that I'd say don't reveal your last name to any girl that you wouldn't take home to mom, because once she knows your real name and your city she is either a 5 minute web search from finding your address, or at worst a $50 private investigator fee from having your address, employment location, wife's name etc. I'd even take it a step further and say try to keep your license plate out of view if you can, she may be able to get to the info from that (paid detective could).

One of the advantages of playing in other cities is it helps eliminate stalker opportunities. Not too many of them (the girls and / or their boyfriends) will have the time and willingness to travel many hours to sit in your driveway. 30 minutes away might not stop them.

Here is a tasty new tidbit I saw this week. My ménage may be back on next week. The ladies are texting me pictures again today.

My new baby rocks it.

"I'm not really looking for financial support like most women on here LOL I've just always been attracted to older men and want to date one. More so on the physical side of things. Also, probably gain a mentor since I am in school and value the opinions of someone older than I am. ".

I have been venturing out side of my area even past the burbs. Still a lot of UTR's but a few more so called normal girls, as this one appears to be. This girl is model quality.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191698]"I'm not really looking for financial support like most women on here LOL I've just always been attracted to older men and want to date one. More so on the physical side of things. Also, probably gain a mentor since I am in school and value the opinions of someone older than I am. ".

I have been venturing out side of my area even past the burbs. Still a lot of UTR's but a few more so called normal girls, as this one appears to be. This girl is model quality.[/QUOTE]That kind of response is the variety I look for. They might not be revealing all of their motives which you would discover if you're with them long enough, but of course I never stick around long enough to find out. I just view it as an invite into their panties as long as the physical chemistry is there, with no expectation of money (but then of course I do gift them anyway). At least it helps weed out the GPS types. And yeah, sometimes it's the most stunning ones that don't want the money (as direct payment) as much as they dream more about moving in with a older guy who is comfortably set up. I guess that's because they've already got a long line of guys who would be willing to pay them for sex, so they don't need it as validation that they are hot. A lot of the types I've met like this already have full time jobs, too, so they aren't desperate, just are attracted to older men and like the idea of being "above comfortable" the rest of their lives.

Only thing that would be a red flag is if someone put that in their profile. They may be sincere when they do it, but it would still make me suspicious, because the moment they do they are going to get spammed with every dude on the site looking for an allowance-free stunner. So, I'd expect that sort of thing to come to light after a couple of emails have exchanged, as it sounds like it did in this case.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2191716]That kind of response is the variety I look for. They might not be revealing all of their motives which you would discover if you're with them long enough, but of course I never stick around long enough to find out. I just view it as an invite into their panties as long as the physical chemistry is there, with no expectation of money (but then of course I do gift them anyway). At least it helps weed out the GPS types. And yeah, sometimes it's the most stunning ones that don't want the money (as direct payment) as much as they dream more about moving in with a older guy who is comfortably set up. I guess that's because they've already got a long line of guys who would be willing to pay them for sex, so they don't need it as validation that they are hot. A lot of the types I've met like this already have full time jobs, too, so they aren't desperate, just are attracted to older men and like the idea of being "above comfortable" the rest of their lives.

Only thing that would be a red flag is if someone put that in their profile. They may be sincere when they do it, but it would still make me suspicious, because the moment they do they are going to get spammed with every dude on the site looking for an allowance-free stunner. So, I'd expect that sort of thing to come to light after a couple of emails have exchanged, as it sounds like it did in this case.[/QUOTE]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191888]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.[/QUOTE]Well I am done talking to this one. The only thing left to do is meet her. I am not too good when the cash is off the table, but after reading all the posts here I realize some girls just want to have fun. I was sure I was going to blow it, civi dating is really not my forte.

But no doubt my game has increased dramatically over the years. I hope I can keep it up (literally) long enough to squeeze a few more years out of it.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2191888]I been txting her for the last few hours. It does seem TGTBT. But I did get enough info to find her instagram. She drives a mercedes and is going for a professional degree. Looks solidly middle class. She is a 10/10 in looks. Perfect. I do have one no pay girl right now. But admittedly she is no 10. She is freaky though and has started calling me master and always calls me daddy (but so does every girl). And we have off the charts sex for hours. If I ever find her personality in a models body like this above mentioned one. I could go off the market.[/QUOTE]Yes, the type I'm referring to often comes across as a bit TGTBT, but they are out there -- the ones that have their shit together in the rest of their lives, are incredibly hot, fun to be around, great in bed, and are less interested in direct payment than a more "boyfriend-daddy". The only real problem or risk with them is the fact that because they aren't just after money, a successful hook up with them will come down to things like timing and chemistry, so sometimes they just outright flee before you even get to the M&G. But when it does come together, my god, it can be good.

I met one once that was in this category: incredibly hot, self-supporting mid 20's single mom with a full-time salaried job and said she wanted an older guy she had real chemistry with. I suspect she also could use some rest and relaxation that an SD could provide, but she said that financial support really wasn't one of her main motives. She had a strong reaction to my photos, which was fine with me because she was seriously movie-star hot. Because I met her while my GF was in town, I told her I was looking for something that was a bit "don't ask don't tell" when it came to other people we may be seeing. I've written before about how I only scam when my GF is gone, but this was hot enough to take on some additional risk. Well, it wasn't in the cards -- I think my talk of discretion was the first turn-off for her, then when I realized she couldn't host, and I started talking hotel room meetings, I could tell that wasn't what she was looking for, so we just stopped texting. Too bad. In that case the chemistry was seemingly there but my availability to actually date wasn't. That's just one example of how things don't always pan out.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2192001]Yes, the type I'm referring to often comes across as a bit TGTBT, but they are out there -- the ones that have their shit together in the rest of their lives, are incredibly hot, fun to be around, great in bed, and are less interested in direct payment than a more "boyfriend-daddy". The only real problem or risk with them is the fact that because they aren't just after money, a successful hook up with them will come down to things like timing and chemistry, so sometimes they just outright flee before you even get to the M&G. But when it does come together, my god, it can be good.

I met one once that was in this category: incredibly hot, self-supporting mid 20's single mom with a full-time salaried job and said she wanted an older guy she had real chemistry with. I suspect she also could use some rest and relaxation that an SD could provide, but she said that financial support really wasn't one of her main motives. She had a strong reaction to my photos, which was fine with me because she was seriously movie-star hot. Because I met her while my GF was in town, I told her I was looking for something that was a bit "don't ask don't tell" when it came to other people we may be seeing. I've written before about how I only scam when my GF is gone, but this was hot enough to take on some additional risk. Well, it wasn't in the cards -- I think my talk of discretion was the first turn-off for her, then when I realized she couldn't host, and I started talking hotel room meetings, I could tell that wasn't what she was looking for, so we just stopped texting. Too bad. In that case the chemistry was seemingly there but my availability to actually date wasn't. That's just one example of how things don't always pan out.[/QUOTE]Well as a single guy I don't really have some of those issues. Also chemistry is usually my strong suite. If I get them to the FC I am usually ok from there. I,m the one that should be for rent.

[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2192461]Well as a single guy I don't really have some of those issues. Also chemistry is usually my strong suite. If I get them to the FC I am usually ok from there. I,m the one that should be for rent.[/QUOTE]As a single guy you're in a good position to sweep up some real treasures. The ones that are available for something long-term yet aren't in it for money need us to be available on an emotional level to some extent, and they typically know we'll never be available in that way if we have a wife or SO. One of my favorites would get fire in her eyes when she talked about married guys scamming. Maybe she sensed that I wasn't fully available and was trying to figure out what's up.