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AMPs
I visited four more AMPs (2 in STL and in Springfield IL and in Chicago). All of them do exactly the same. They provide a good massage and nothing else, in some of them the most is a DIY.
I believe all of them set some standard and common rules, they also rotate the girls among them in all cities. They do the most they can (keeping legal), giving customers the hope that something may happen but nothing happens ever. It is a bad game, we want something, and they cannot provide it since LE is watching them, and we end up paying good money and low tips and get a good massage but nothing else, unless the girl takes her own risk, and that is rare. Since the establishment want to keep the business open they don't want to mess with illegal activities and LE. LE in MO has low tolerance and it seems like in many states LE targets AMPs more than other kind of providers.
In the past there used to be some AMPs (many times in the outskirts of the cities) where the massage was not very good but after a few minutes on the flip they used to ask the magic question "do you want anything else" and everything used to start there. That doesn't exist much anymore.
I believe it is now very difficult to get anything in most AMPs since they have those strict rules.
The four I mentioned at the beginning are:
1. STL: The one in Forsyth Blvd - 50/60 min + tip.
2. STL: The one on Manchester Rd. And 141 - Tuckers 50/60 min + tip.
3. Chicago: 2200 S. Archer 65/90 min + tip.
4. Springfield: Il, 2300 S. Macarthur 40/45 min + tip.
I wonder if it would be good that the oldest profession was legalized, like in many countries, with all the necessary and strict controls (safety, LE, health, and even taxes.) and in special areas of the cities. That could end many of the rinks of exploitation, crime, smuggling, and even the poor drug addicts that do BJ for 20, and risk themselves and people and are exploited by BFs and Pimps. Regardless that the oldest profession be illegal there is a big market and supply and demand, and it is happening everywhere anyway, and it is so easy to find, it takes few minutes in the internet to find it, in STL and in any city.
[QUOTE=Noedger8;2364478]Here's a post obviously by Elle herself, or a friend upon request. You can't blame a lady for trying to build a legit therapeutic business, but we can all be honest that that just isn't possible. If you're not a therapist at a large legit company like envy, making minimum wage, you can't make money without giving HEs to both males and females. Plain and simple. These asian girls must make a certain amount of money in tips to buy themselves freedom, but they're strictly told not to give extras, meaning they might get $20-$30 a day in tips. The average fee for American freedom is $20 K, so at that rate, it's almost impossible. And then it's a life of doing nails. The only successful sample we can see is Pink, who worked 24 hours a day for how long? 10-15 years? And now she's free.
My point is: We all need to stop going to these asian tease establishments. It hurts everyone involved. We don't get what we want, the girls work for rice and (whatever meager meal they get), and everyone goes to bed disappointed. See a moderately-priced independent girl in body rubs.
This is a call to revolution. If we stop frequenting places like Lily, be&F, Evergreen, Sunrise, Riverside, etc. , they will be forced to increase the quality of their services.
Right now. Turn these places into ghost towns. They only exist because they're ripping us off. Let us end it this week.[/QUOTE]
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AMPs
What is offered at an AMP just depends on the city and what the people running the spa think they can get away with. There are still quite a few that offer a massage and your choice of a happy ending. HJ, CBJ, FS. There are spas in Centreville IL, Litchfield IL, Columbia MO, Decatur IL, Bloomington IL, and other places that offer a happy ending.
The spas in STL know they are under suspicion and a tighter watch than other places so they mostly play it legal, though there are reports of some girls occasionally doing more. For a short time there was an AMP in Springfield IL where everything was available but it was shut down last year. Now there is a new one open but it is supposedly self service only.
If the people, syndicate, family or whatever the ownership arrangement of an AMP think they can get away with offering everything then they most likely will do so.
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Dee
Anybody with any recent experience with Dee in St. Chuck, please send me a PM?
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[QUOTE=FiveLbsOfFun;2371189]I've read a few reviews. It seems there are some conflicting reviews. Worth the visit. If so, is one better than the other? Thanks,[/QUOTE]If you live in St. Louis, 7 Spa isn't worth the drive. Just stick to the east side for similar service. Vice versa if you live closer to Litchfield than the east side.
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Bianca
Has anyone seen Bianca this week?
[URL]http://www.biancaisbeckoning.com[/URL]
I kept trying to schedule with her and today got confirmation for appointment time requested with address and apartment number. When I got there saw door to building requiured access code and there was no call box. Hung around for a while but no one came down and no response to my emails too see what happened.
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Welp, Elle is no longer taking new clients she hasn't seen before. Lose lips sink ships.
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Part 2
Got flooded with msgs so I hope I responded to all seniors.
Non seniors put it your time and post some (decent) reviews because LE is sick when it comes to commercial businesses attending to the worlds oldest and well established profession.
As a follow up. If you get the quiet one she is diy.
This gal is talkative and you will have to play along, etc.
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[QUOTE=PilotPete;2372989]Anybody with any recent experience with Dee in St. Chuck, please send me a PM?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the PMs gentlemen. It was the new Dee I was seeking information on. Learned she does not offer the same service levels as the old Dee.
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Tired of driving
Any suggestions for a good massage where one can leave happy in St. Charles are Lincoln Co. Getting tired of driving to Columbia and would like to see someone new.
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7 spa / litchfield
[QUOTE=Noedger8;2373507]If you live in St. Louis, 7 Spa isn't worth the drive. Just stick to the east side for similar service. Vice versa if you live closer to Litchfield than the east side.[/QUOTE]Thanks, bud. I was traveling back to the metro east from Chicago on business (bi-monthly) and thought I'd give it a try. After reading a mixed bag of reviews from here and other sites, I dedided to opt out. I didn't get the positive impression that I was hoping for.
Thanks for the feedback though.
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[QUOTE=PipeFitter1956;2375030]Any suggestions for a good massage where one can leave happy in St. Charles are Lincoln Co. Getting tired of driving to Columbia and would like to see someone new.[/QUOTE]St. Chuck Jenny if you can tolerate her lack of timeliness.
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[QUOTE=PilotPete;2376033]St. Chuck Jenny if you can tolerate her lack of timeliness.[/QUOTE]Thanks Again (sent private message) Also has anyone heard anything good about Sun Li AMP down on watson rd?
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[QUOTE=FiveLbsOfFun;2375796]Thanks, bud. I was traveling back to the metro east from Chicago on business (bi-monthly) and thought I'd give it a try. After reading a mixed bag of reviews from here and other sites, I dedided to opt out. I didn't get the positive impression that I was hoping for.
Thanks for the feedback though.[/QUOTE]There is a high turnover at 7 Spa, but all I've ever gotten there is insane levels of upsell. Not to mention, it's awkward as shit to walk in there in the middle of a small, conservative town where everyone knows what that place is. Had a bad experience myself with some giggly assholes at the bottom of the stairs. Would have to be crazy desperate to find myself back there again.
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[QUOTE=Noedger8;2376331]There is a high turnover at 7 Spa, but all I've ever gotten there is insane levels of upsell. Not to mention, it's awkward as shit to walk in there in the middle of a small, conservative town where everyone knows what that place is. Had a bad experience myself with some giggly assholes at the bottom of the stairs. Would have to be crazy desperate to find myself back there again.[/QUOTE]I disagree on some points. I travel thru there every now and then and will stop by. No appt walk in. Was there recently and find the service consistent albeit on the expensive side. They are very nice and not near as pushy as Pink or VIP. Not worth going if you want a cheap massage with a HE. Much better local. My last trip had TS light erotic tease and massage then a bunch of fun. She finished out my time with a massage haha. In the last 1 1/2 years have only seen 2 different girls. I guess as in most things in life YMMV. Seniors feel free to PM me if you want more details.