Had 2 very relaxing and draining sessions with Cindy there when they first opened, great time!
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Had 2 very relaxing and draining sessions with Cindy there when they first opened, great time!
The Cleveland area has not been tolerant of Asian massage parlors for decades. I'd love to see the Warren experience come to Cleveland, but it'll not happen in our lifetimes. This was predictable. The reliability and general level of quality in AMPs for the price can't be beat.
[QUOTE=VampireWeekend;2116953]You never went there. Smoke and mirrors baby. Smoke and mirrors.[/QUOTE]It means what I posted. Good for me that the man never saw me coming and going while they were staking out the joint because I was smart enough not to attend. Understand?
While I find your guys' posts about the AMPs intriguing, I believe going to one is bad news. It's just not discrete enough for me. It's all about calculated risks. I enjoy my privacy and freedom way too much. It's much easier getting out of a jam with some scamming thug pimp (s) (been there, done that plenty) than it is a blue light special. Thats just my opinion and it just means more open appointment time for you fellas that love the places so much. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=VampireWeekend;2116786]
What we need is a new working model. Something else will be in place soon. I would watch out for whomever is on the board here. Someone kissed and told.[/QUOTE]If you are right about some disgruntled customer ratting to the Feds, I hope the fucker gets hit by an RTA cop racing to investigate a fare jumping case. We all have had bad service, a ROB, or worse, and wouldn't even think about calling the cops. We chalk it up to a learning experience, or take care of it ourselves. Like real men do.
It is for the no balls, crybaby, rats that I advocate using a trusted member approach and a secret password. That way, it limits the risk. I get it that not every deserving monger is going to gain entrance to the club. I myself would love to see Cougar over at Mike's place, but since I don't have anyone to vouch for me, I'm denied entrance. Don't like it, but I understand it and respect Mike for his cautious attitude.
Cleveland and the suburbs run AMPs out of town fast. There was a place on Mayfield Rd in Chesterland, and another place Richmond Rd in Oakville that each lasted for about a cup of coffee. I think it's a combination of advertising and Board chatter that gets LEO curious and you know they're going to jump at the chance to peek at tits and ass and bust a spa.
Vamp, in no way, shape or form is any of my. Observation or criticism directed at you. You are a 100% stand up guy and a true Monger's Monger.
Best if luck to all involved.
Tonto.
[QUOTE=TontoMonger;2117288]If you are right about some disgruntled customer ratting to the Feds, I hope the fucker gets hit by an RTA cop racing to investigate a fare jumping case. We all have had bad service, a ROB, or worse, and wouldn't even think about calling the cops. We chalk it up to a learning experience, or take care of it ourselves. Like real men do.
It is for the no balls, crybaby, rats that I advocate using a trusted member approach and a secret password. That way, it limits the risk. I get it that not every deserving monger is going to gain entrance to the club. I myself would love to see Cougar over at Mike's place, but since I don't have anyone to vouch for me, I'm denied entrance. Don't like it, but I understand it and respect Mike for his cautious attitude.
Cleveland and the suburbs run AMPs out of town fast. There was a place on Mayfield Rd in Chesterland, and another place Richmond Rd in Oakville that each lasted for about a cup of coffee. I think it's a combination of advertising and Board chatter that gets LEO curious and you know they're going to jump at the chance to peek at tits and ass and bust a spa.
Vamp, in no way, shape or form is any of my. Observation or criticism directed at you. You are a 100% stand up guy and a true Monger's Monger.
Best if luck to all involved.
Tonto.[/QUOTE]I think you guys are being a little naive. AMPs are just easy targets. Plain and simple. It's the locals that trigger LEO's interest. It goes like this. First there's advertising. Then there's more comings and goings. Then the locals catch on to what's happening and several call to complain. Then after minimal investigative work it's like shooting fish in a barrel for them. It's no different than any high volume proviider that isn't being mobile enough.
[QUOTE=Senior2;2096937]Went to the vitamin shop the other night they say you get what you pay for well that is not the case! Pm me for more details.[/QUOTE]Read my quote it said pm me for details this is why I do not post that much on here the men in blue read these reports and I only answered mongers who have alot of posts and I told some mongers to be careful park up front on the main road the back was like being in an ambush and I know I had the men in blue pm me the post where 1 post 2 post etc. They where deleted or I replied call the number bad service yes rat them out no I just never returned there. Case closed! There was a lady that was in the gym that complained believe me I know about jealous women busted down in southern ohio and western ohio with knock off purses because of women compaing southern ohio was 2 third degree felonies and the lawyer I had sued me for more money peace!
[QUOTE=LonelyGuy1976;2117277]It means what I posted. Good for me that the man never saw me coming and going while they were staking out the joint because I was smart enough not to attend. Understand?
While I find your guys' posts about the AMPs intriguing, I believe going to one is bad news. It's just not discrete enough for me. It's all about calculated risks. I enjoy my privacy and freedom way too much. It's much easier getting out of a jam with some scamming thug pimp (s) (been there, done that plenty) than it is a blue light special. Thats just my opinion and it just means more open appointment time for you fellas that love the places so much. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]Though I was denied coming to the Vitamin Shop, I left it on my radar and was hopeful to get there some time. I thought the system was good and when I say greed, its for lack of better wordage. There are ways to market a business and ways to not! I don't know there is a correct way to market a spa without risk. I understand there are driving costs in any business and its hard to refrain from the fast buck. I think its time for Ada to forget Ohio and move on to greener pastures. Best of luck to both of them and I hope things work out.
Not your typical ipinni post, but as real as I get!
[QUOTE=LonelyGuy1976;2117277]It means what I posted. Good for me that the man never saw me coming and going while they were staking out the joint because I was smart enough not to attend. Understand?
While I find your guys' posts about the AMPs intriguing, I believe going to one is bad news. It's just not discrete enough for me. It's all about calculated risks. I enjoy my privacy and freedom way too much. It's much easier getting out of a jam with some scamming thug pimp (s) (been there, done that plenty) than it is a blue light special. Thats just my opinion and it just means more open appointment time for you fellas that love the places so much. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]AfuckingMEN to that!
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[QUOTE=Senior2;2117473]Read my quote it said pm me for details this is why I do not post that much on here the men in blue read these reports and I only answered mongers who have alot of posts and I told some mongers to be careful park up front on the main road the back was like being in an ambush and I know I had the men in blue pm me the post where 1 post 2 post etc. They where deleted or I replied call the number bad service yes rat them out no I just never returned there. Case closed! There was a lady that was in the gym that complained believe me I know about jealous women busted down in southern ohio and western ohio with knock off purses because of women compaing southern ohio was 2 third degree felonies and the lawyer I had sued me for more money peace![/QUOTE]Don't sweat it Senior2. If you are legit (sorry but your footprint is too small to tell) I encourage future posts. It's bullshit when something bad happens and individuals blame forum members. Like there is no other possibility. It's not just this instance. There have been several times since I've been reading the board this happens.
I don't post much but.
I am steering towards tighter screening on those phone calls and the advertising, brought attention.
Hopefully everything works out for these people too be harassed by our goverment.
I also believe there is way worst things happening with this country than alleged prostitution cases. Wasting my tax dollars again.
Somebody struck a nerve.
For fucksakes.
As someone else said, AMPs are easy targets because they stay in one spot for long periods. It's why hookers rarely get taken down, they jump locations regularly.
[QUOTE=TontoMonger;2116625]Homeland Security and RTA participated in the raid? We will come back to that shortly, but first I would like to say that this place was doomed as soon as they went from word of mouth, trusted guys only can get in, to a BP and CL advertising, "let's get greedy" business model. Rule #1 is never draw attention to yourself and be discreet. Rule #2 is neighbors are nosey. Don't give them a reason to take interest in what you do. Rule #3. Use a secret password in order to gain entrance and screen your customers. No password, no entrance. Sorry, we are closed for remodeling.
And last but not least, don't keep incriminating evidence around. Why do you need hundreds of condoms laying around? That's like 2-3 months worth. Tell your known, trusted customers to bring their own, or have maybe a dozen or so around at any one time. Personal use only if anyone should ask. Don't leave $9 k in cash on site. Get it out of their, a couple of times a day if necessary. And no video, surveillance or otherwise. For fuck's sake, DHS and FBI have facial recognition software that can be matched to known databases, like your drivers license, passport, military I'd, etc etc. Even if you pay cash and leave your I'd in the car, with video you are still vulnerable to identification if they really want to make a federal case about it.
Now, when DHS bureaucracy was created, I thought their mission was to protect us from terrorists. With scope creep they are involved in literally everything. Scary. And RTA? What were those clowns investigating? If someone misused a bus pass? Or jumped a fare turnstile on the way to the alleged AMP? What a joke!
Rant over.
Tonto.[/QUOTE]Don't ever open AMP in Cleveland. We are only allowed to be screwed by the Browns.
[QUOTE=Asmoth;2119319]As someone else said, AMPs are easy targets because they stay in one spot for long periods. It's why hookers rarely get taken down, they jump locations regularly.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Hawaii? Even Flushing NY has a boatload of AMPs. If religious groups want hookers taken down-they are taken down. Cleveland is the epicenter of intolerance.
[QUOTE=TontoMonger;2117288]If you are right about some disgruntled customer ratting to the Feds, I hope the fucker gets hit by an RTA cop racing to investigate a fare jumping case. We all have had bad service, a ROB, or worse, and wouldn't even think about calling the cops. We chalk it up to a learning experience, or take care of it ourselves. Like real men do.
It is for the no balls, crybaby, rats that I advocate using a trusted member approach and a secret password. That way, it limits the risk. I get it that not every deserving monger is going to gain entrance to the club. I myself would love to see Cougar over at Mike's place, but since I don't have anyone to vouch for me, I'm denied entrance. Don't like it, but I understand it and respect Mike for his cautious attitude.
Cleveland and the suburbs run AMPs out of town fast. There was a place on Mayfield Rd in Chesterland, and another place Richmond Rd in Oakville that each lasted for about a cup of coffee. I think it's a combination of advertising and Board chatter that gets LEO curious and you know they're going to jump at the chance to peek at tits and ass and bust a spa.
Vamp, in no way, shape or form is any of my. Observation or criticism directed at you. You are a 100% stand up guy and a true Monger's Monger.
Best if luck to all involved.
Tonto.[/QUOTE]There was no USASEXGUIDE in earlyb 80's'. The AMPs were run out of town by the powers that be. The places you mentioned were busted because of neighbor complaints. From Lorain, Elyria to Chesterland, and Cleveland in between; I have seen them closed. I do not know how you guys feel about hitting an AMP about 6:30 one evening, then you are interrupted. Walked outside, and there are the television cameras in your face. I was single then, single now.
Ada would have been better off setting up shop in my house than a Cleveland suburb. There is zero chance of keeping an AMP operating in or near Cleveland.
Since the bust in Warren, 2012, mongering has slowed down in this state for me. Hawaii is the best bang for your buck. Flushing Ny is so busy.
And tricky. Some other big cities are too pricey for lousy service. Ada did not know that sex operation was busted in Bedford recently. Would you guys want a data base.
Kept on you at AMP? Might be the answer. Getting into an AMP should not be like trying to enter Club 54. A few regulars cannot support 5 to 6 providers. We all are loathe.
To have LE curtail our fund, but we have to find ways to keep our sport thriving.
[QUOTE=Senior2;2117473]Read my quote it said pm me for details this is why I do not post that much on here the men in blue read these reports and I only answered mongers who have alot of posts and I told some mongers to be careful park up front on the main road the back was like being in an ambush and I know I had the men in blue pm me the post where 1 post 2 post etc. They where deleted or I replied call the number bad service yes rat them out no I just never returned there. Case closed! There was a lady that was in the gym that complained believe me I know about jealous women busted down in southern ohio and western ohio with knock off purses because of women compaing southern ohio was 2 third degree felonies and the lawyer I had sued me for more money peace![/QUOTE]If you remember fantasy in Warren, you had a narrow entrance to backyard. I parked on side street and walked up driveway. Never did like that spot, but did not want to be trapped in driveway.
[QUOTE=ByTheBook;2119656]There was no USASEXGUIDE in earlyb 80's'. The AMPs were run out of town by the powers that be. The places you mentioned were busted because of neighbor complaints. From Lorain, Elyria to Chesterland, and Cleveland in between; I have seen them closed. I do not know how you guys feel about hitting an AMP about 6:30 one evening, then you are interrupted. Walked outside, and there are the television cameras in your face. I was single then, single now.[/QUOTE]At the Spa 76 in Akron? I use to frequent that and missed that bust by a half a day. That was a whew moment. I know what you mean about Fantacy's parking lot. I was parking on the side streets too and fortunate had parked far enough away that I did not have to drive through the media circus at the end of the driveway. I felt sorry for the other guys though.
Looking and acting like an old Asian man walking out was a hard act to follow. The fun part was sneaking back in during the aftermath of raid before the Mayor began sealing the doors. I think I had some of the best sessions because every experience was pretty heighten. I thought it was funny being in the VIP Room and seeing the supposedly semen samples that were circle on the wall. It was kind of my pride and joy seeing them there.
[URL]http://cleveland.backpage.com/BodyRubs/classifieds/EnlargeImage?oid=18392343&image=18392342[/URL]
I'm going to guess and say this could be worth a go if you go a few times and get a rapport with her. But who knows I could be wrong, I can't find any pics of the provider but I called and she sounded nice on the phone. I'd love to swing by there and for the money I'm going to do just that if nobody here has any info to share to sway me away. Anybody?
The openness is why the spas keep getting busted. Between the churches and the housewives who find they can't control their husbands by withholding sex you know they aren't going to survive that long. They have to be much more secure, I. E. In a brick or block building with no windows and steel doors, and they have to build up a list of trusted clients who have been vouched for in some manner. That means they have to be patient and build up a trusted base, because advertizing just puts them in the crosshairs of the gestapo.
Cheech.
Clean place, curtains at doorways, nice clean staff. Nice covered massage, though way too much oil used, and she had very little english. No ups, no extras, no indication whatever besides a nice masage.
[URL]http://cleveland.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-opening-best-of-best-massage-relaxing-massage-spa/11152655[/URL]
Just called to try to set up appointment for the cougar. Was told only way to set appointment was to be verified by another provider. Don't have one to do that. Whatever. If I was le do you think that I could force some provider to verify. How stupid can you be. There are other ways to verify which are problay better and more safe then trusting a provider. Now I have to see someone who will verify me to see the cougar.
Anyone know what happened to Sandy, in Brunswick?
[QUOTE=Rafficax;2123945]Clean place, curtains at doorways, nice clean staff. Nice covered massage, though way too much oil used, and she had very little english. No ups, no extras, no indication whatever besides a nice masage.
[URL]http://cleveland.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/grand-opening-best-of-best-massage-relaxing-massage-spa/11152655[/URL][/QUOTE]I found the same to be true for my recent visit. Nothing special, just an ordinary massage.
[QUOTE=Triddd09;2125723]Just called to try to set up appointment for the cougar. Was told only way to set appointment was to be verified by another provider. Don't have one to do that. Whatever. If I was le do you think that I could force some provider to verify. How stupid can you be. There are other ways to verify which are problay better and more safe then trusting a provider. Now I have to see someone who will verify me to see the cougar.[/QUOTE]I know that sounds like a pain to go through, probably is, but it will be well worth it.
[QUOTE=Jim4817;2126583]Anyone know what happened to Sandy, in Brunswick?[/QUOTE]I posted a negative review on her, she wigged out and went crazy on her fake username here. Sent me a dozen half English grammar messages that made no sense in my email and after a few weeks of me talking about how crazy she is and how she's a rip off and not worth the money she finally decided to close up shop.
She sent me a pm that said something like "hope you happy, I leave because you make customers to away" to which I told her not to let the door hit her in the ass.
[QUOTE=VViley;2104430]/ Start PSA.
There's more to this report in the next day or two, but I had a request to get this info out there.
A friend of mine visited Mike's last week and on the way out Mike stopped him to let him know that even though there is no intent to close, listings may be tapering off / discontinuing in the near future and to keep the phone # saved.
/ End PSA.[/QUOTE]Forgot about doing the follow-up.
Anyhow, story goes that during the last visit with Cougar a couple weeks back, reverse massage was brought up. Apparently she was game. And for those that think she's wild when you're on the table, she can get even more excitable when she's laying down.
Also, let's throw this out there. Not sure if the oil she uses is unscented, but the soap being offered at the shower sure isn't. Full-on Irish Spring. So keep that in mind if that kind of thing matters to you and yours.
Been a year or so since I've been fed any info about Summer's Escape. But now I have and here you go.
She's still there, she and her office look the same as before. She's now posting in legit services / massage section, but her act (or prices) hasn't changed. Still as chatty. Kind of awkward when she goes on about her past and kids and so on. The only thing that was really different is that she'd asked in the past about flipping, like there was an option about keeping it legit. The most recent time it was just "ok, now turn over. " Also, the HJ was very "mechanical and uninspired" - or so I'm told, but it got the job done.
[QUOTE=Triddd09;2125723]Just called to try to set up appointment for the cougar. Was told only way to set appointment was to be verified by another provider. Don't have one to do that. Whatever. If I was le do you think that I could force some provider to verify. How stupid can you be. There are other ways to verify which are problay better and more safe then trusting a provider. Now I have to see someone who will verify me to see the cougar.[/QUOTE]Considering what just happened to the Vitamin Shoppe, you're lucky that they're not requiring two providers (as some visiting providers have required). So you got a toe in the door. Get to know an established provider and work your foot into the door. Cougar is worth it.
[QUOTE=Asmoth;2127071]I posted a negative review on her, she wigged out and went crazy on her fake username here. Sent me a dozen half English grammar messages that made no sense in my email and after a few weeks of me talking about how crazy she is and how she's a rip off and not worth the money she finally decided to close up shop.
She sent me a pm that said something like "hope you happy, I leave because you make customers to away" to which I told her not to let the door hit her in the ass.[/QUOTE]Because my view of the story was that the city of Brunswick was citing her about her business not being "zoned" properly. So unless you are working for the city of Brunswick your story is a bemusing fictional piece of work. Let's keep the stories in Thailand. Other than that, Sandy was never a rip off and always provided a decent massage and a good finish for me whenever I was in the area or I could not make it out to Warren. The best was her four handed message with that one white woman that was working with her.
[QUOTE=Jim4817;2126583]Anyone know what happened to Sandy, in Brunswick?[/QUOTE]I posted recently about a perfect tittie'd black chick I met at Sandy's last winter. I recently posted about her here that she gives massages out of her apartment in cle hts. GREAT TITS, anyways Sandy lurks this place like crazy. I had a pm from her in no time telling me how that girl has a black boyfriend (which was supposed to surprise me I guess?) and posted up on e of her mug shots (non massage related) that got deleted by the admin. I went and saw sandy like 4 times, never got ripped off always had a good visit, it's no secret she's loopy and territorial about the biz. Anyways she said she's not in Cleveland anymore so I can "see whoever I want" as if I needed her to give me the ok. I asked where she's working and she wouldn't give a straight answer.
[QUOTE=Jim4817;2126583]Anyone know what happened to Sandy, in Brunswick?[/QUOTE]Not sure why she left, I do know she was always good to me, always very happy with her service including the shower massage.
All business peak, watch the board and you'll note the latest, hottest, greatest of the month as it swells with reports then settles down and disappears as guys move on to the next.
As with service of any kind YMMV and may exceed expectations of some and not others.
H.
[QUOTE=VampireWeekend;2127534]Because my view of the story was that the city of Brunswick was citing her about her business not being "zoned" properly. So unless you are working for the city of Brunswick your story is a bemusing fictional piece of work. Let's keep the stories in Thailand. Other than that, Sandy was never a rip off and always provided a decent massage and a good finish for me whenever I was in the area or I could not make it out to Warren. The best was her four handed message with that one white woman that was working with her.[/QUOTE]I went there a total of two times. Once about four years ago when she first moved to Brunswick. I got to the door and saw sandy and said "you're doing the massage?" When she said yeah I just said no thanks and left.
Fast forward I heard good things about the blonde she worked with and decided to give it a to when I was out that way. I went and tried to get only the blonde girl but was told she only did doubles (I posted about it and quite negatively and then it started a bitchfit from guys who like ugly old Asians and the admin deleted it).
Anyways I finally got Sandy to leave me with the white chick and believe I had to pay her another $. 20 to get her topless as she jerked me so I could play with her tits and bust. The blonde, while expensive, was at least able to get me to cum. That never would have happened with Sandy working it alone.
After I posted about it, before it got admin deleted for turning into an arguement post, Sandy showed up on her fake account victrolaman or something like that and started trying to insult me in broken English which was hilarious and sad. Then she pm'd me about a dozen times, I can forward them to you if you want to be entertained by a person struggling with English. Till a few weeks later where she said she was leaving town because of no business and having too many problems with men on the board.
I totally understand it was a bullshit attempt to get guys to feel bad and go visit her, but it was funny none the less.
I would link you all this, but I just went through every post I have on here and those ones in question are now just a2 telling us not to argue or deleted totally.
Moral of the story, she provided shit service, refused to admit that her employees did more for tips cause she's ignorant and couldn't afford to keep doing business with her few regulars who apparently didn't care who or what was yanking on their cock to bust. So she's gone and good riddance.
[QUOTE=VampireWeekend;2127524]Considering what just happened to the Vitamin Shoppe, you're lucky that they're not requiring two providers (as some visiting providers have required). So you got a toe in the door. Get to know an established provider and work your foot into the door. Cougar is worth it.[/QUOTE]I just like to leave a light foot print. I meet I come I pay I go. There is more than one way to catch a fish. Nothing that a couple of $$ will not fix.
[QUOTE=VampireWeekend;2127534]Because my view of the story was that the city of Brunswick was citing her about her business not being "zoned" properly. So unless you are working for the city of Brunswick your story is a bemusing fictional piece of work. Let's keep the stories in Thailand. Other than that, Sandy was never a rip off and always provided a decent massage and a good finish for me whenever I was in the area or I could not make it out to Warren. The best was her four handed message with that one white woman that was working with her.[/QUOTE]Heard the same thing about reason to leave. She always gave good value for price. If not someone's cup of tea then they are free to take their business elsewhere.
I see Lilly's has asians working there again. Anyone been there since they changed?
[QUOTE=Harley101;2132483]I see Lilly's has asians working there again. Anyone been there since they changed?[/QUOTE]I'm not noob bashing by any means but doesn't it seem strange when we see a post like this and its the members first one? I mean is it just me or is everyone thinking the same thing here?
[QUOTE=Harley101;2132483]I see Lilly's has asians working there again. Anyone been there since they changed?[/QUOTE]Legit shop. Nothing more.