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[QUOTE=Benz1;3130371]Currently there is only one baby on the SA ste for Grand Rapids. We are in Grand Rapids and might need to drive east for more opportunities.[/QUOTE]I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.
[QUOTE=Otto22;3131917]I counted 9 SBs on the first page of SA using a Grand Rapids zip code today. There are more if you include Muskegon and other nearby environs.[/QUOTE]I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.
[QUOTE=Grswm;3132210]I've been a member of SA. Off and on for a year. $69 for one month. Some b. S. but some chances for success, as well. Was initiated with a 300 lb faker (nothing like her pic--I split), but next one, took me to a mobile home park for a meeting with a very cute 18 year old--with a kid. She said I was her first guy--and she wanted a certain amount, but settled for half. I had a "blast". She did too and wanted to meet right away. I put it off and she wound up moving out of state.
SA has a lot of GR girls. Who legitimately want an arrangement. Can't be too old looking or out of shape, I guess. Currently having a "getting to know each other"process with a very sexy, but sweet 21 year old. Met a couple times for dates, bought a few small items for her. Text a lot. Should be a nice payoff soon. Will keep posted.[/QUOTE]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3134891]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.[/QUOTE]This is really a function of how far out of your league (if at all) the girl is. Would anyone believe that she would be with you without financial incentive? Good looking, mid 30's professionals are not charged anything close to what a 100 pound overweight 50 something is. The easier it is for you to score decent civis without opening your wallet, the less you will end up paying most SBs.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3134891]Joined recently and have had a few page views but haven't reached out to any. Is their estimation of allowances being a minimum of 1 k a month legit? That seems extremely high. I've not found a good reference point for SB type arrangements.[/QUOTE]The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.
Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).
SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.
As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).
I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.
[QUOTE=Libertas;3135147]The world of SB and seeing flatbackers are very similar with very few, but very important differences. As pointed out before, most (not all) of these women aren't seeing 10-200 guys. They're only seeing you, or just 1-4 guys. They also don't see themselves as a flatbacker, so that means different rules applies for them. They screen people and only move forward if they're actually interested / attracted to you. The biggest turn off for them is creepiness factor.
Generally in the world of SB's hotels are paid for by you, not by her (though not always). You can move it to their or your home, but as with any person, escort or not, there are lots of risks involved with that. Discretion is important for a lot of these ladies, so be mindful of that. Appearance and the persona of wealth is critical. A sugar daddy is generally a well off individual, you're not going to sell you're well off if you're rolling up in your 1983 Honda Civic. I'm not saying you have to show up in a Benz, but giving off the impression that you have wealth usually means you're not driving a rust bucket. Same for dress code, I always show up in a button up, tie, watch, slacks, minimum. Usually I show up in a suit and say that I'm coming from a business meeting (which is actually true).
SB's like to make things personal, so I have a fake persona. I use a throwaway name, working in a career that I have knowledge in, but I'm not in. I never give out my personal info or company info, even though it's fake.
As for allowances, the listed allowances are just for show. Most will see you for 200-700 range. There usually isn't a time limit to these meetings. For instance I was with one of my SBs this weekend, she stayed with me from 3 pm until 9 pm for 200. It's a different type of game, a different type of woman, and different type of expectation. Traditional escorts are good for get in and get out, no fuss. SBs are more engaging, so it means more time involved. More gifts, more dinners, but in my opinion the pay off is better. She still leaves me alone, less drug issues (still some), showing up to an appointment and communication is far better (once you establish an arrangement, it can still be dodgy if they're not interesting or still feeling you out).
I've been in this type of field for over 2 years, welcome to answer questions. I prefer it over escorting, but my time and availability is different.[/QUOTE]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135754]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.[/QUOTE]I'll quickly give my viewpoint. 1) They vary. 2) SA seems to have quanity and quality. 3) $69 via credit card gives you a month to browse and categorize. I suspect there are spammers and fakers on there who will never meet you, but have no real proof of that. I recommend it as a less dangerous option. 4) There are SWs on there as well, masseuses and girls looking for boyfriends. Good luck.
One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135754]Everything you said makes a lot of sense. Same with the previous poster (thank you both).
I suspect a SB may be a preference for myself as well. Nothing at all against guys who prefer a SW or hr type, but the mental element is huge for me as well. I'd not be able to dream with another smoker as an example, my first dream I didn't consider even asking, and not only was it tough to deal with in the room, discretion is out the door if no one you know smokes but your clothes smell it.
Anyways, my point is that with a more constant and relatable arrangement, the slight increase (possibly) in overall 'work' and cash may be a moot point.
I'll ask a couple questions, but if this is best on another board or messages just let me know.
Are most the type to prefer constant visits? My schedule isn't completely flexible but more than some. Are there some who prefer rare / only occasionally hook up with a SD, or is it often more an income for them?
It's fascinating how the interactions have evolved. In no small part due to the Internet.
One last question, SA the best site? Is the 80 fee required or only if you find someone worth getting fully in touch with? I also signed up for mint, but it's not nearly as. Polished, is probably the word.
Also, that's damned impressive on the persona. Not a horrible idea, I don't use my real name but haven't kept all elements completely different. Shouldn't be overly complicated with technology.[/QUOTE]You'll find all types of SBs. Some that want to meet up once a week, some that want to meet up once a month, etc. I've had in the past that wanted to meet up 3-4 days in a row and then cooled off for a few weeks and back at it again. For her she was different, she wanted a monthly allowance so I gave her 600/ month but we met up 4-10 times a month, usually 2-5 hours per time.
The fee is required, you can't message without it and to be honest most of them on there don't like to even message you unless they see that premium tag on your profile. There are scammers and time wasters on the site, you'll have to weed through them and figure it out.
Some see this as income, others see it as an extra to their life. You'll find all types.
You can find much good SB / SD info on this site in the Richmond, VA section:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not/page860[/URL]
Above thread is most helpful if you start reading from the beginning. Thread highlights are indexed here:
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/URL]
[QUOTE=AlexSedai;3135899]One question for the group at large, how do you secure PayPal? I tried once with an alias and it required ssn. Lost a $ gift card because it's half registered under a fake account that I can't activate. But I don't overly trust the built in security as it shows who's paying.[/QUOTE]I would advise using paypal in the hobby on all accounts. Things I've done in the past - 1) Cash. 2) Prepaid credit card. 3) Just once I opened a bank account in HER name and didn't associate myself with it in anyway. I just deposited money into the account with cash.
You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=Gexem;3142679]You guys who are still using SA, how are you paying for it? I got a Visa prepaid card but it won't go through because it's not usable outside the USA. I can't seem to find any anonymous payment options that are usable internationally. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.
[QUOTE=Libertas;3142853]Just call their billing / customer service, they'll process the prepaid card no problems. I pay with a prepaid card every time.[/QUOTE]What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.
[QUOTE=Gexem;3143056]What's the number? I looked everywhere on their website, and only found online forms, no number to call. Feel free to PM me a link to the right page, if you have it.[/QUOTE]I don't remember it off hand, but I remember getting it support number after I opened a ticket on their website.
I have been on the SA site now for a week or so and its really fun to talk to these ladies and try to make an arrangement. If anyone would like to share info back and forth with me about who is good or bad or share stories, please let me know. We could give each other reviews after we meet some of them. So who have you met on there and how did it go?
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Hello I just have to say long time monger but its getting harder and harder of keeping up with hh for $ and covered. You old timers remember woodland hills fun fun times or playing on the d and going to bettys. Those where the days these girls today so many just don't measure up and very few good ones. Been on the l and d no one playing but most of all car play can't really do car date I wish we had a place to go to play and not on 28th st motel hotel dumps. The old days weren't that bad. To all of you lets b safe enjoy and all of us lets not b paying to much for so little fun.
[QUOTE=FreeNomad;3149626]Hello I just have to say long time monger but its getting harder and harder of keeping up with hh for $ and covered. You old timers remember woodland hills fun fun times or playing on the d and going to bettys. Those where the days these girls today so many just don't measure up and very few good ones. Been on the l and d no one playing but most of all car play can't really do car date I wish we had a place to go to play and not on 28th st motel hotel dumps. The old days weren't that bad. To all of you lets b safe enjoy and all of us lets not b paying to much for so little fun.[/QUOTE]Ah, Betty & Willy's. Those were the days. There was also the Colonel's house, but that wasn't as nice as Betty & Willy's.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3130437]When you speak of long term (mistress?) it also means you are willing to be available for their calls too. They will bring you drama, I need a ride to the doctor, my son needs new shoes and when are you coming to see me? Starts to feel like a wife instead of a mistress. They will be actively seeking your real name and address to gain more leverage in the arrangement.
I had a sweet arrangement. She didn't have a car so it was taking her places like doc, laundry and lunch it was going well until her and her sister were getting evicted from their apartment. There is not room on this forum for the rest of the story. I should have walked away.
So I ask what are you really looking for? My dad told me, the cheapest piece of ass he ever had was the one he paid for up front. You always know what the price is. The very professional NoNonsenseLady NNL explained to me that I'm not only paying for her services but I'm also paying her to leave and only come when called. Most providers are not as wise and professional as the legendary NNL.[/QUOTE]I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3128709]I do not profess or claim to know jack s_ But I am pretty comfortable dinking around. The crawler and the ad history trend analysis were pretty straightforward. Heck, import the data into Excel and do basic macro trending and you can pick out all kinds of pattern based things.
The image stuff is a lot more complicated. The crux of the issue is how to solve the date of the image and the corresponding date that there is publicly available data of that image's first appearance in the public record. Conventional thinking posit that an image is "fake" if it is known to be in use elsewhere in close date proximity to the ad in question that contains it. Google has already solved this problem, but their algorithm is proprietary and they have a monster hashed image repository. Currently, the best the dashboard can do is to display the SP's composite image library, stripped of the non-image crap (warnings, disclaimers, cartoons etc.) and order them in descending date sequence. The filter's controls allow the user to: Include All Images, Include All With Fakes Flagged, or Include Only Non Flagged.
My goal is to have a working beta version by Christmas, or drink heavily.[/QUOTE]An update on progress.
My software alarmed on an irregular BP poster today. I tend to pay attention to stuff my model can't profile.
The computed profile that the ad matched to (almost mimicked) was that of an intentional UTR service provider. Benz went say what? UTR? And pointed the SP's usage of different numbers and different names (which I was also discovering independently). That got me to thinking. For some providers their posting history patterns allow the ad and its poster to be profiled by this software that I'm cooking up. The common connection is the phone number.
However. Irregular or inconsistent posting behavior history is more problematic. For others, such as this one, the poster / SP intentionally camouflages themselves behind different numbers and names. Yet the pics and the metadata in the pics establish the link. How to solve it? Develop a DB of known linked images. An SP can have a posting history profile that may span different names and different telephone numbers. Individual posts can be associated with 1 to and images, some of which may be fake. Use of fake images can be detected and noted in the computed profile, and use of different names and numbers and different pic (tho real) denote an alias for that SP.
The use of different names, numbers, and picture sets allow a single SP to be multiple posters in various ads. Gracias Benz. This I can code for!
Maybe mid-January now.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3153689]I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.[/QUOTE]I've said this before, and I'll say it again. You can find anything you want on SA, if you're willing to devote the time and sell the idea you're successful and confident.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3153689]I want somebody who is:
A lower volume provider or MBA / SB equivalent.
Is interested in and able to maintain a "regular" arrangement.
Wants to and is able to enjoy mutually beneficial recreational fun, sans the emotional possessiveness and related psychological baggage.
Is able to maintain boundary / personal space protocol and decorum.
Has the skills or is comfortable and confident that she can learn them.
Is comfortable servicing me, and comfortable learning the nuances of same, is able to relax to where she can have fun, and is open minded enough to allow us to explore what she is capable of.
For me, that is the gist of the elusive GF experience. A woman who can read a man, knows which man to trust and when, knows how to give herself up to that man to be taken, used sexually, and absolutely effed senseless and is effing me back every step of the way.[/QUOTE]I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.
[QUOTE=Macatawa;3154651]I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.[/QUOTE]Ahhh yes, the one and only Daya?
[QUOTE=Macatawa;3154651]I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.[/QUOTE]I don't necessarily agree with this comment 100%. I've had sugar babies ranging from 100 per meet up for several hours, up to 500 per meet up for staying overnight. I mean just recently I had a 23 yr old slim build ebony girl stay over for 200.
There are flakes, there are scammers, but so does BP. Finding people on SA requires more effort, woman on there don't consider themselves as escorts, so you can't just find a profile offer an amount and find yourself leaving her place two hours later. You'll find escorts on there, but mostly you'll find regular women.
[QUOTE=Macatawa;3154651]I had this in a provider, but she retired.
As for SA as was mentioned below: You may get what you want, but you will pay for it. And you may get more than you want like a relationship that will require money AND work.[/QUOTE]Neither of those aspects are of significant concern for me. Hell, just the HTHC effort has been 43 dreams to date. The time and the $$$ that has gone into that? It has been both expensive and time-consuming. The cost to yield ratio in all of this is pretty lousy. All lot of time and money expended for very little actual fun. My intent is to tackle this in three different fashions; 1) finish writing, tune, and start training this software that I"m developing so that it can do adaptive profiling of SP's based on their posting history, pictures used and supplemented by reviews, 2) massively parallel hobbying with 2 - 4 different SPs per weekend and feeding those results to the software so that it can "learn" to calibrate / tune its computed SP profiles, and 3) start exploring SA options. The effort, and money do not deter me. There has got to be a better way of finding a sustainable decent experience. This is a crapshoot. It just is.
And even when you get to the sweet spot of something you think is sustainable, they retire, move away, or you discover they're playing games.
My goal is to methodically take some of the variables out of the process so that it can become incrementally more predictive of the likely experience. Crazy, I know. Just one guy's quest for a decent experience.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3153742]An update on progress.
My software alarmed on an irregular BP poster today. I tend to pay attention to stuff my model can't profile.
The computed profile that the ad matched to (almost mimicked) was that of an intentional UTR service provider. Benz went say what? UTR? And pointed the SP's usage of different numbers and different names (which I was also discovering independently). That got me to thinking. For some providers their posting history patterns allow the ad and its poster to be profiled by this software that I'm cooking up. The common connection is the phone number.
However. Irregular or inconsistent posting behavior history is more problematic. For others, such as this one, the poster / SP intentionally camouflages themselves behind different numbers and names. Yet the pics and the metadata in the pics establish the link. How to solve it? Develop a DB of known linked images. An SP can have a posting history profile that may span different names and different telephone numbers. Individual posts can be associated with 1 to and images, some of which may be fake. Use of fake images can be detected and noted in the computed profile, and use of different names and numbers and different pic (tho real) denote an alias for that SP.
The use of different names, numbers, and picture sets allow a single SP to be multiple posters in various ads. Gracias Benz. This I can code for!
Maybe mid-January now.[/QUOTE]The approach of using different names and or numbers to attract more business is probably a method of gaming by a handler. A shell game, if you call four different numbers and the same person answers the phone my first guess is there is a pimp. Most of these girls can't even handle one number. If they are busy on their back or all fours, they won't have time to play she'll games. My experience has been, if they're playing shell games the service will be sub par. IMO the provider won't be worth the time or money and could be risky with a pimp watching.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3155236]The approach of using different names and or numbers to attract more business is probably a method of gaming by a handler. A shell game, if you call four different numbers and the same person answers the phone my first guess is there is a pimp. Most of these girls can't even handle one number. If they are busy on their back or all fours, they won't have time to play she'll games. My experience has been, if they're playing shell games the service will be sub par. IMO the provider won't be worth the time or money and could be risky with a pimp watching.[/QUOTE]For the most part I tend to agree with that assessment. It certainly was the case with the SP that my model alarmed on that led to the start of this discussion. I had done a bit in depth field research so to speak to train my model on the same provider multiple number scenarios. The model "found" three distinct types of behavior, each subsequently verified by hands on field research; a) single current number, but different numbers over time, b) multiple current numbers. One hobby and one personal, and c) multiple current hobby phones. A and C tend to be highly predictive of a subpar experience, B does not. The are a couple of statistical outliers for C. I know two legit independent providers, one of which I have favorably reviewed herein, that actively use multiple numbers. That suggests that there is a further differentiating attribute set within type C; those that wish to deliberately camoflage themselves versus those that are deliberately conveying distinct "personas" via different picture sets.
Picture sets, when real ones are used (even when salted / augmented with some fake ones) allow the computer model to "see" and learn the SP posting patterns and behavior. It categorizes them, creates a profile, and I go hobby with a couple from each profile type to see if it is right.
Bottom line. The SPs composite posting behavior is highly predictive of the likely experience. One other oddity that has emerged. Curious too. There is a high positive correlation between the number of words used in the SP's ad and the likely experience. For some reason, less words seems to predict a more favorable experience.
Riddle me that one Batman.
It's the weekend. Time to go train the model!
Use.
Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3158410]Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]Agreed completely. I'd like to think that I'm in the younger category and I value looks over skill.
The two best looking providers I've seen are Holly (hoping she stays back in the game) and her old roommate Alyssa who I don't think is working anymore.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3158410]Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3159953]I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.[/QUOTE]Benz is right all hotties use fake pics the hottest girls I've been with are all agency girls the best skill girls use real pics and are average looking but those are the ones I repeat.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3158410]Guys,
I could use a bit of help from the membership. In reading just the actual reviews of the last 6 months, I notice something that I want to wrap metrics around. There seems to be three distinct areas of attention given to reviewed SPs; looks, skills, and personality / attitude.
There also seems to be a generational / age dimension to it. It appears that the older / veteral hobbyists generally value skills higher than looks, whereas the opposite appears true for younger players. I'd like to try to quantify it. Help me out?
Please share the top 3 most attractive SPs that you know of. Their skills and age are not factors. I just want to know who are your top 3 best looking SPs. If you are uncomfortable responding here, please PM me.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]There was a Sophia, brunette that was great looking. Lost her number.
She was the best looking in my opinion.
Brandy is good looking for the ones that currently post.
Haven't seen Mercedes in awhile but the first time I saw her she was hot, the last time I saw her she was bigger and was not trying at all with her looks so I never went back.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3159953]I will confirm your study is right. I'm an older monger but not a geezer and prefer skill over looks.
The back of their heads all look the same, occasionally she may glance up at you to see if you're enjoying her skills, with my cock in her mouth and balls on her chin, she looks beautiful to me. Average looking girls give me better service and appreciate my attention more than the Hotties do. I've never had a Hottie offer me MSOG without an upcharge. Average looking girls work harder for your repeat business.
I'll weigh in and say Mercedes has the best looks of our Grand Rapids providers.
ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.[/QUOTE]In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:
Good looks AND poor attitude?
Good looks AND lackluster skills?
Both?
Average looks AND better attitude.
Average looks AND better skills.
Both?
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160044]In your respective experiences which things are prevalent:
Good looks AND poor attitude?
Good looks AND lackluster skills?
Both?
Average looks AND better attitude.
Average looks AND better skills.
Both?
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?[/QUOTE]IMO good looking girls are just that there attitude and performance are not as good as the average looking girls don't get me wrong I like to see good looking girls but in my experience the average looking girls are far better then the really good looking girls. Plus the average looking girl will give you more bang for your buck. For example an agency girls will be extremely good looking but will try to get you off as fast as they can and charge you a minimum of 150 and not give you any deal what so ever. Where and average girl will most of the time deal with you and give you better service also. This is just my opinion.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160044]
My own experience has generally been that looks and attitude are inversely correlated. How about your experiences?[/QUOTE]My experience is that it often comes down to three things:
Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.
How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.
Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.
The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.
[QUOTE=Benz1;3159953] ShaginKabay, if they use fake pics, are you going to include them in your study? If No, this eliminates many of the girls and all of the Bambi stable. The list of Hotties will be short.[/QUOTE]Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.
Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.
[QUOTE=Macatawa;3160341]My experience is that it often comes down to three things:
Chemistry. If a client isn't to her liking or a girl to his liking, then it will be a poor session.
How quickly a girl can be relaxed around a client or relax a client. If a girl is shy, then it is up to the client who often waits for the girl to make the moves. So the session is a bust.
Timing. It could have been a bad day for either, one or both may be tired, a traumatic event may occurred. The list is endless. Most are out of our control.
The best girls (ie Daya from Kazoo now retired) can still be good in spite of the above things. They are few and far between.[/QUOTE]Well said Mac. As to your second point, I only recently started to initiate action during a session if the provider was tentative. It has turned a probable one time only so-so experience into a steady and improving arrangement. Boybear.
[QUOTE=Libertas;3154723]I mean just recently I had a 23 yr old slim build ebony girl stay over for 200.
[/QUOTE]I wonder what she'd ask for for a shorter session. Makes me want to join SA.
[QUOTE=ShaginKabay;3160547]Benz, I plan on including the fake pic / TGTBT clan in this round, as I want to see how the the false advertising factor plays out as a predictive variable. My gut says that for those that place a higher weight on looks, the model will compute a slightly higher "meh" coefficient. Something else I've noticed. Looks seem to have one other interesting dimension; namely the better looking the SP is, the easier for a certain subset of the client base to get wood (it aint just the older crowd either). Looks are a highly predictive variable for being able to get wood. Even more predictive than the SPs positive attitude. Seems counter-intuitive to me.
But, the model seems to be finding that a whole bunch of us (and our age makes no difference) seem to get stoked by the idea (ego inflation?) of being able to pound a decent looking piece of ass. Essentially many of us put up with less than stellar performance and attitude in order to eff a decent looking babe. And, in many cases, pay thru the nose for it too.
Bambi and a couple of her cohorts are successfully mining this phenomena for $150 for 10 - 20 min sessions.[/QUOTE]I agree that's why I seek the TGTBT ads knowing I'm not going to see the girl in the ad but I will bang a hott chick of some sort and yes it will be rushed and quick and I will pay to much which makes some seniors mad at me for rewarding high prices and fake pics but some times I don't have time for a good long service with a real average girl. So agency girls are quick set up in my time window some times I get deals if early in week Mon through weds. Thurs Friday no deals at all. Get done and home before SO gets home.