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[QUOTE=RonM;6011418]It's your money. Pay when you want. I pay after the playtime session is over. I don't want to be at a disadvantage.[/QUOTE]Ron, I agree with you 100%. The whole game is about keeping the leverage or power. Once you lose the leverage, you could get robbed or get a shitty experience. Once you walk away from them a few times, it gets easier for the big head to keep doing your thinking.
[QUOTE=RonM;6011418]It's your money. Pay when you want. I pay after the playtime session is over. I don't want to be at a disadvantage.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jc2490;6011827]Ron, I agree with you 100%. The whole game is about keeping the leverage or power. Once you lose the leverage, you could get robbed or get a shitty experience. Once you walk away from them a few times, it gets easier for the big head to keep doing your thinking.[/QUOTE]I agree with you both. We should start a movement to promote women who accept payment after and change the market dynamics so that they gain business and women who want payment upfront lose business.
Since you two seem to have the most experience with finding girls who accept payment after the act, we would love to start patronizing your favorite providers who accept payment after.
Who do you recommend?
[QUOTE=Nduchali;6001328]"Morgan Baaaaby" (815-XXX-1105) is a scammer. She showed up, seemed super friendly, then once she saw the opportunity she grabbed the money and bolted. My fault for thinking with the small head and seeing an unreviewed provider.
[URL]https://chicago.skipthegames.com/female-escorts/caucasian_w/morgan-baaaaby/994346874643[/URL][/QUOTE]Hey Fellas,
I've made past mistakes when I was still wet behind the ears! Listen to the Seniors when they share this type of information. You may just get screwed without getting laid!
[QUOTE=Jinurso;6013090]I agree with you both. We should start a movement to promote women who accept payment after and change the market dynamics so that they gain business and women who want payment upfront lose business.
Since you two seem to have the most experience with finding girls who accept payment after the act, we would love to start patronizing your favorite providers who accept payment after.
Who do you recommend?[/QUOTE]That's funny because a while back I specifically asked RonM whom exactly accepts payment after the fact. I asked him several times but never got a name. Not. One. Name. So RonM is on my ignore list and others who has researched his past post says he never gives an actual review of an actual girl. But hey, he has a lot of posts so just keep believing him.
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So now that you have found a girl who agrees to be paid afterwards if the sex is not as good as you expected, she didn't deliver everything on her menu that you thought should be there or if you finish up faster than the agreed time it only seems fair that you pay her less than what she asked for. After all you have the leverage and expectation of what you were going to experience and may not have received what you feel is your moneys worth. If you don't blow a load should you even have to pay her anything?
[QUOTE=Moejoo;6014820]So now that you have found a girl who agrees to be paid afterwards if the sex is not as good as you expected, she didn't deliver everything on her menu that you thought should be there or if you finish up faster than the agreed time it only seems fair that you pay her less than what she asked for. After all you have the leverage and expectation of what you were going to experience and may not have received what you feel is your moneys worth. If you don't blow a load should you even have to pay her anything?[/QUOTE]This is bordering on weird and sorta abusive. In this scenario you should definitely pay up and do the right thing. Not every experience you have with a provider is going to be a home run. Especially first time meetings. This sorta thing will run out more ladies from the scene and we'll be stuck with less options. I've had my share of regretful meet ups with escorts or not being fully satisfied. I still did the right thing and gave her what we agreed upon before meeting. You guys need to relax a little.
[QUOTE=SleepOdyssey;6016123]This is bordering on weird and sorta abusive. In this scenario you should definitely pay up and do the right thing. Not every experience you have with a provider is going to be a home run. Especially first time meetings. This sorta thing will run out more ladies from the scene and we'll be stuck with less options. I've had my share of regretful meet ups with escorts or not being fully satisfied. I still did the right thing and gave her what we agreed upon before meeting. You guys need to relax a little.[/QUOTE]
I agree. Especially if the encounter lasted as long as was agreed on and all fetishes and and ons were performed. If something doesn't go as planned just negotiate. But I'm hoping that the crowd in here that is advocating for pre payment isn't the same crowd that's okay with sending deposits. In my practice I pay after mainly on incalls. When it's an outcall and I control the setting then I usually pay first to make them feel comfortable. There are providers that will state in their ad that payment is due upon arrival. I avoid them and also the providers that tell me during initial communication that the donation is due at arrival. NEVER take the money with you when you meet the provider outside your place. Always leave it inside! She must enter if she wants anything. My rule is they must be naked before getting anything. And if that’s too much for some of you then at least make sure she’s in the room with her shoes off to make sure it’s not a snatch and dash with your cash. For incalls if they ask for the money upfront I will leave. That's a practice I didn't always perform. After getting burned a few times I learned my lesson. This is why I usually do outcall tho, my success rate is much better. It’s been years but I’ve had providers show up and things seemed suspect and I gave them 20 for gas as a cancellation fee. If you go out of your way to them then yes you should decide if you want to go through with it. They aren’t giving us money for waiting our time so that’s why it’s best to pay after.
[QUOTE=LongDStyle;6017177]I agree. Especially if the encounter lasted as long as was agreed on and all fetishes and and ons were performed. If something doesn't go as planned just negotiate. But I'm hoping that the crowd in here that is advocating for pre payment isn't the same crowd that's okay with sending deposits. In my practice I pay after mainly on incalls. When it's an outcall and I control the setting then I usually pay first to make them feel comfortable. There are providers that will state in their ad that payment is due upon arrival. I avoid them and also the providers that tell me during initial communication that the donation is due at arrival. NEVER take the money with you when you meet the provider outside your place. Always leave it inside! She must enter if she wants anything. My rule is they must be naked before getting anything. And if thats too much for some of you then at least make sure shes in the room with her shoes off to make sure its not a snatch and dash with your cash. For incalls if they ask for the money upfront I will leave. That's a practice I didn't always perform. After getting burned a few times I learned my lesson. This is why I usually do outcall tho, my success rate is much better. Its been years but Ive had providers show up and things seemed suspect and I gave them 20 for gas as a cancellation fee. If you go out of your way to them then yes you should decide if you want to go through with it. They arent giving us money for waiting our time so thats why its best to pay after.[/QUOTE]It seems like the reasons for paying afterwards are about leverage, control, not getting ripped off, and satisfactory performance. If that is true then it would just seem like the natural next step is for you to pay what you think her service was worth, otherwise what is the point of all of this leverage and control that the pay afterwards guys feel that they need? Is it about intimidating the girl and putting her on the defensive? What? I'm trying to understand this but there is never a girls name connected to these posts, and the guy pushing the hardest for it has never even named one girl he has ever seen. Is it a fantasy that some guys fap off to and that's how they get off? Not meant to be in any way to be an attack on the person I quoted but no one ever backs up their posts with real girls information regarding this subject.
In an extreme hypothetical scenario now a guy is going to pay only what he feels is appropriate for an escort's performance?
All I'm saying is that don't give an escort the leverage and advantage by paying upfront. You pay upfront she has the leverage and advantage over you. After the session is over that's when you pay her. I've never advocated paying less than her full rate depending on her performance. Some of you guys need to stop with these hypothetical scenarios.
[QUOTE=Moejoo;6018692]It seems like the reasons for paying afterwards are about leverage, control, not getting ripped off, and satisfactory performance. If that is true then it would just seem like the natural next step is for you to pay what you think her service was worth, otherwise what is the point of all of this leverage and control that the pay afterwards guys feel that they need? Is it about intimidating the girl and putting her on the defensive? What? I'm trying to understand this but there is never a girls name connected to these posts, and the guy pushing the hardest for it has never even named one girl he has ever seen. Is it a fantasy that some guys fap off to and that's how they get off? Not meant to be in any way to be an attack on the person I quoted but no one ever backs up their posts with real girls information regarding this subject.[/QUOTE]I am not one of those advocating not to pay first, but I want to tell about two recent experiences I had. I decided to experiment in light of these discussions on this forum about paying first. To be clear, it rarely ever happens for me in my experience, except at some agencies when I will place an envelope on the table, and it's never checked until I leave. That being said, I had two recent experiences in Phoenix.
One girl I had agreed to the rate and amount of time before hand by text. She came to my hotel. I had already placed an envelope on the desk by the tv before she arrived. I don't know if she saw the envelope or not, but I don't think she did. She came in, we talked, she went to the bathroom to get ready and came out in lingerie. We proceeded as expected. After we were done and she was ready to leave, I pointed to the envelope. So I think I was successful in paying after.
The second girl I did the same, by having the envelope on the desk. This girl obviously did not see it, because after some chit chat she asked for the money. I pointed and told her it was there in the envelope, but I did not want to give it to her until we were done. She said she understood, but she also had to check the money because she had been cheated a few times. I'm sorry, but I totally understand. She looked at the money, confirmed the amount, and then laid the envelope and money back on the desk. Success again, I guess.
Take this for what it is worth.
All of the above are not my intentions seeing an escort.
I pay after the session is over to prevent from getting ripped off. That's it. I got ripped off when I started playing this game. After that I made sure it would never happen again. I always pay her full price. This notion of paying less than her full price because you feel that's what the session is worth is non sense.
What's the advantage of paying upfront? I'm asking because I don't see it.
No way. I will show them I have the agreed amount and tell them they will be paid in full upon providing the service we have agreed upon. I admit that once in a situation of a really fine looking woman that would not back down I offered half up front, but reserving half until she did as we agreed. She went for it, she still had an incentive to perform and did. I have had one that would not go without upfront, I politely explained that her incentive to rip me off and the potential consequences for doing so were astronomically more in her favor to do so than I. No deal, I wished her well and left, she was pissed but not over the top. Last 5 years I simply have not gone upfront, but I don't do much other than parlors now anyway.
[QUOTE=RonM;6019777]What's the advantage of paying upfront? I'm asking because I don't see it.[/QUOTE]The biggest advantage is actually getting seen.
I've never heard of a girl ever (aside from regulars or high end girls who discreetly check the envelope while I shower or while they freshen up in the bathroom) who was ok with payment after services. This topic comes up a lot and over the dozens of times it's come up I've still never seen an escort mentioned by name who accepts payment after. It's always non-specific. I don't understand why if guys here are trying to change the culture around payment after vs. Upfront that they wouldn't review a bunch of girls here who do it so we can shift our business to them and change the market dynamics. That's what I would do if I knew any girls who were ok with that. But I don't.
Any escort has the potential of being paid after playtime is over. If she insists on being paid in full upfront then it's in your best interest to walk out. I don't understand why you pay upfront guys willingly put yourselves at a disadvantage. Why let her be in control of your playtime by paying her upfront? There's no incentive on her part to give you your money's worth. She has your money upfront. She can do or not do what you paid her to do with you.
[QUOTE=Jinurso;6021121]The biggest advantage is actually getting seen.
I've never heard of a girl ever (aside from regulars or high end girls who discreetly check the envelope while I shower or while they freshen up in the bathroom) who was ok with payment after services. This topic comes up a lot and over the dozens of times it's come up I've still never seen an escort mentioned by name who accepts payment after. It's always non-specific. I don't understand why if guys here are trying to change the culture around payment after vs. Upfront that they wouldn't review a bunch of girls here who do it so we can shift our business to them and change the market dynamics. That's what I would do if I knew any girls who were ok with that. But I don't.[/QUOTE]Agree with this sentiment. I always place the envelope in a conspicuous location shortly after entering, desk / table or whatever. That puts them at ease. I know a lot of guys here have had the cash and dash scenario happen, but I've been lucky, apparently. On the other hand, I haven't seen any LC girls, (yet). It's an unfortunate situation everyone winds up in because of the government's moronic stance on sex work and their pandering to the religious right and anti-sex feminists. Everyone is much less safe. And some of us get scammed by cash and dash or getting robbed by pimps, and some of them get scammed by scumbags who won't pay up after the service is done. Whoever you guys are who don't pay up at the end are why they all want deposits now, by the way. I don't like that but I also can't blame them. This shit's a business, you don't pay for your quarter pounder at McDonalds after you ate it. And if the food sucks you write a bad review here and don't go back. That's the deal we're all stuck with.