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[QUOTE=MDBellamy;3442732]JJ's listing for the "old" Rose is: "C 0022) Red Rose Spa 2310 South Miami Blvd, Suite 133, Durham, NC 27703 919-564-9688. Closed. " So, the new Rose is in virtually the same location.[/QUOTE]The old old Rose was in a house nearby, but New Haven is in an office building like a quarter mile down the road. I wouldn't describe this as virtually the same location. More like in the same neighborhood.
[QUOTE=Pgrandis54;3438810]Went by the other day. Called and got suite number. Went by 2 hours later rang bell looked at security cam. No answer. Called back and she finally opened door. Thought scary looking mamasan was the masseuse at first but then younger gal came in for massage. There are 3 girls working. Mine ok looking shy no English. Started out bad with random pats. Turned out to be a really good massage spent a lot of time on lower back arms legs feet. No tease preflip (bad sign) and he was not happening. She seemed scared of mamasan who was outside the door, grabbed her ass under the dress nice small round but but still no sign of a finish. They are real cautious. Might take a few visits but with the setup of sec cams and buzzer you wold think this place was p+.
For $60 it's worth a few tries.[/QUOTE]Stopped by the yesterday and the mamasan opened the door before I could even ring the bell. I let her take me to a room, asked for an hour and she asked if I was on with a half hour, I said sure and gave her $40. She took the money and left, I was hoping another girl wouldbe coming back but that never happened. Long story short, terrible massage, left happy, I just wished it was a different woman. She told me next time make an appt for 1 hour.
Paid $80 total for everything, I would return but if I get the same lady I'm leaving.
I can confirm that this a resurrected Rose Health. Chubby mamasan answered the phone and met me at the door. I asked for Sasha and she appeard! Not the cutest I've ever had, but still fun. Started face down, no TS, HH only. After some otc and utc I asked "Does this little dress come off?" She giggled and said "Of course. " She got TOTALLY comfortable and gave me a great massage.
Then the flip, NO upsell, just starts HJ. Softest tits ever. Amazing nips. FiV. So I just point to a couple of important anatomical positions and make some suggestions and she goes to work immediately. CBJ, CG, finished with doggy. All in 30 min. $40 in the door, a Franklin out the door, and I'm on my way.
Like I say, she's not the cutest, but still fun.
[QUOTE=GrillMaster;3444100]I can confirm that this a resurrected Rose Health. Chubby mamasan answered the phone and met me at the door. I asked for Sasha and she appeard! Not the cutest I've ever had, but still fun. Started face down, no TS, HH only. After some otc and utc I asked "Does this little dress come off?" She giggled and said "Of course. " She got TOTALLY comfortable and gave me a great massage.
Then the flip, NO upsell, just starts HJ. Softest tits ever. Amazing nips. FiV. So I just point to a couple of important anatomical positions and make some suggestions and she goes to work immediately. CBJ, CG, finished with doggy. All in 30 min. $40 in the door, a Franklin out the door, and I'm on my way.
Like I say, she's not the cutest, but still fun.[/QUOTE]If it's the mamasan that looks a little like Russia's Brezhnev sister and a Sasha it's definitely the old Rose. Let me just say I'm OK in the equipment department but I'm not packing that much meat between my legs. Because the few times I saw Sasha she was VERY guarded on the entry almost to the point of pushing me away and how far the entry was allowed to go. After a gentle start she relaxed and it was off to the race but No deep pounding allowed a little frustrating and concentration breaking. Not sure if anyone else experienced this. Although her English is almost zero she is a lot of fun and has a real sweet personality (lacking the English) but steal the reason I saw her several times. Maybe Sasha has loosened up (literally) since I saw her last. And the dog I am, yea mamasan will party too.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3444172]If it's the mamasan that looks a little like Russia's Brezhnev sister and a Sasha it's definitely the old Rose. Let me just say I'm OK in the equipment department but I'm not packing that much meat between my legs. Because the few times I saw Sasha she was VERY guarded on the entry almost to the point of pushing me away and how far the entry was allowed to go. After a gentle start she relaxed and it was off to the race but No deep pounding allowed a little frustrating and concentration breaking. Not sure if anyone else experienced this. Although her English is almost zero she is a lot of fun and has a real sweet personality (lacking the English) but steal the reason I saw her several times. Maybe Sasha has loosened up (literally) since I saw her last. And the dog I am, yea mamasan will party too.[/QUOTE]I'm glad to hear you say that, I thought it was just me! Yes she's very guarded. She was so tight doggy was a challange, but CG she was controlling the action the whole time. She'd keep things from getting too deep. Hahaha! I was thinking, OK I'm no porn star but I thought I'd surely bottom out in this petite thing! Nope! Still fun tho!
Great. Something else for AMP ladies to worry about.
[URL]http://www.wnyc.org/story/when-ice-shows-court/[/URL]
Med.
I wanted to make a request the next time JJ list is updated. My recommendation is we add the AAMPs to the list as well. The JJ list is useful to us mongers because it protects our interests to a decent degree. From small things like which places give a good service, which places reuse unclean bedsheets to what AMPs are safe for us mongers to visit. Nobody wants to go to an AMP / AAMP and get mugged or robbed, or none won't want to go to a AMP where there is a STING operation in place even if nothing illegal is requested.
The fact that we allow AAMPs to be not documented and fly under the radar can be a risk for us if we decide to go there. So I recommend that we add them to the list, but one thing we could do is add them to the list with phone number without necessarily adding the exact location. I think this will protect our safety, and that might give them (AAMP) more business as well if we feel it is safe to go there.
[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3445218]Great. Something else for AMP ladies to worry about.
[URL]http://www.wnyc.org/story/when-ice-shows-court/[/URL]
Med.[/QUOTE]Modern politics is this. If you create enough SMOKE over there then no one notices the FIRE is over here. Distraction, Accusing attacking the weak is the norm. I've been wondering if there is such a oil glut and oil has dropped $40 a barrel, shouldn't that shit be a buck twenty. Why has the price of gas only fallen. 40 cents a gallon. Oops forgot about the NC gas tax. Yes this relates, its dipping into my pussy play fund. Sorry what was the question?
Just making his voter base happy, so at the state of the union he can brag about how many million people he deported.
Need refineries to make gas. Last large refinery (200 k b / cd) went on line 1977. In an oil war with the countries that control our refineries.
Might be good for us though- girls might look to leave places like NYC and come to little ol' raleigh where ice will leave them alone. Or fewer girls will come here. Hard to tell. Although there are fewer Asian options right now, AMP or otherwise, than there have been for 6 mos. Depressing for a lover of Asian ladies.
Med.
[QUOTE=XHippie;3445498]Modern politics is this. If you create enough SMOKE over there then no one notices the FIRE is over here. Distraction, Accusing attacking the weak is the norm. I've been wondering if there is such a oil glut and oil has dropped $40 a barrel, shouldn't that shit be a buck twenty. Why has the price of gas only fallen. 40 cents a gallon. Oops forgot about the NC gas tax. Yes this relates, its dipping into my pussy play fund. Sorry what was the question?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Squiggy6969;3435970]I can attest that #45 is open. I stopped by today to get a hh. 5. I thought I try it out to see what it is like. The middle age women that greeted me at the door spoke good English and was attractive in my opinion. Heck I am a sucker for a nice rack. Anyway the massage stated like normal toward the time to flip there was some teasing which I told her I liked and she kept on. I finally got to a point that I needed to flip and told her so. Like I said she was nice and I left happy and otc roaming was allowed after I asked, standard tip was giving. Hot towel treatment, water, and a hug before leaving. Great first visit. Place looked clean and inviting. Thin walls so you can hear others. Clean sheets as far as I can tell.[/QUOTE]First the good, rack is big B, small C and you do get a view.
Now the bad, absolutely terrible experience! 5 minutes of a half ass massage and then the negotiation! I have been in the hobby for years and never negotiated with like that. She was actually angry that I wanted more of a massage. I should have just walked out then. 50 fee 40 tip for about 10-15 min. Don't go!
[QUOTE=GrillMaster;3444374]I'm glad to hear you say that, I thought it was just me! Yes she's very guarded. She was so tight doggy was a challange, but CG she was controlling the action the whole time. She'd keep things from getting too deep. Hahaha! I was thinking, OK I'm no porn star but I thought I'd surely bottom out in this petite thing! Nope! Still fun tho![/QUOTE]Require you bring your own covers? Always thought that was weird.
[QUOTE=ExpectMore;3445252]I wanted to make a request the next time JJ list is updated. My recommendation is we add the AAMPs to the list as well. The JJ list is useful to us mongers because it protects our interests to a decent degree. From small things like which places give a good service, which places reuse unclean bedsheets to what AMPs are safe for us mongers to visit. Nobody wants to go to an AMP / AAMP and get mugged or robbed, or none won't want to go to a AMP where there is a STING operation in place even if nothing illegal is requested.
The fact that we allow AAMPs to be not documented and fly under the radar can be a risk for us if we decide to go there. So I recommend that we add them to the list, but one thing we could do is add them to the list with phone number without necessarily adding the exact location. I think this will protect our safety, and that might give them (AAMP) more business as well if we feel it is safe to go there.[/QUOTE]JJ approached adding AAMPs to the list a long time ago and I believe came to the conclusion that they were likely to move around too much to keep tabs on. There is the occasional one or two that may stick around for a couple years, but many pop up for a couple months. This ends up greatly increasing the size of the list and the amount of upkeep that JJ has to deal with (and for free I might add). Another issue might be scope creep as well. People might start wanting to include all of the Asian posts that pop up on backpage, but those should be reserved for the BackPage section of this site.
TL; DR- Let's just be grateful for what we have.
Thanks for the reply, that covers the reasoning. I also considered adding the non Asian like Quality, but that's usually a different customer type. Although I it's been there well over 20 years, so they are doing something right.
[QUOTE=Enduro185;3446278]JJ approached adding AAMPs to the list a long time ago and I believe came to the conclusion that they were likely to move around too much to keep tabs on. There is the occasional one or two that may stick around for a couple years, but many pop up for a couple months. This ends up greatly increasing the size of the list and the amount of upkeep that JJ has to deal with (and for free I might add). Another issue might be scope creep as well. People might start wanting to include all of the Asian posts that pop up on backpage, but those should be reserved for the BackPage section of this site.
TL; DR- Let's just be grateful for what we have.[/QUOTE]
Went to Zen again. Girl had a nice rack so I was yet again hopeful. When asked "hard or soft" I said soft. Off goes the towel. More hopeful thought. After some slight teasing and butterfly stuff. She asks about tip. Now I used to sell cars. But nothing I said or offered was getting the girls out of their hiding place. So after a standard finish she was looking for all the tip we were talking about. I said more for more and gave her standard tip for standard service. They need to learn! So I will not be repeating till I see many reports of better service.
[QUOTE=Enduro185;3446278]JJ approached adding AAMPs to the list a long time ago and I believe came to the conclusion that they were likely to move around too much to keep tabs on. There is the occasional one or two that may stick around for a couple years, but many pop up for a couple months. This ends up greatly increasing the size of the list and the amount of upkeep that JJ has to deal with (and for free I might add). Another issue might be scope creep as well. People might start wanting to include all of the Asian posts that pop up on backpage, but those should be reserved for the BackPage section of this site.
TL; DR- Let's just be grateful for what we have.[/QUOTE]I don't want to speak for JJ but IMO when the list was started there were only a few AMP's in the area then they QUICKLY started popping up. So The list was a great tool then and now. So the list was really for the AMP "brick and mortar" stores which at the time seamed to stick around and I might add at that time there could have been 2,3,4 or more stores owned by the same person. Even if they changed owners it was still there as a brick & mortar store which kinda made it easy to manage by JJ I'm assuming because sometimes the business name and service didn't even change. But then the stores started dropping like flies, different owners changing girls which affected the service, AAMP's popping up making the fast buck then disappearing. So the ASIAN spots are not the steady growth with some owners having several stores or the stores even surviving 12 months. It's a little more complicated or at least an unstable business model IMO, example: Rose re-opens same owner I'm assuming pretty much the same staff different location different name. JJ you the man for giving it a shot I hope your effort can continue if not you still the man. It's a strange business indeed see what happens.