Korean Agency BB

[QUOTE=Vulcan1009;5246705]For all you have visited Ivy, what do you think about her comparing to Allie?

They seem like the same body type or age.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Allie is better in everyday. Period.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5246563]Mixed reviews are an understatement.

Nana averages out to a 6.4 performance on TER, and that's even with your three high scoring reviews of her, out of 35 total reviews![/QUOTE]I think if you would post about your own experience with her it would provide more value. Not sure why you feel it so important to pontificate on this one but it's an open forum and you certainly have the right to post, or the right to remain silent.

First hand experience is always more useful than second hand reports or recaps from the public scoreboard.

[QUOTE=CrunchEazy;5246882]LOL she is hard to get in with but she has no shortage of clients. I don't think this has anything to do with her not having business. I think the girls are going to higher paying agencies sadly. $350 with no upcharge for BBFS might be the best new model for M.[/QUOTE]I disagree, she's very hidden and difficult to book with. I don't believe for a moment she had so much business hand over fist. Half of her clients are probably sitting in this very thread and I think you are greatly overestimating how much business she had. I know for a fact Hana was wide open on several of the days leading up to her leaving and that's nuts. If Hana was with a different booker like Grey at her current rate she would be booked solid til next month.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;5246865]Look I'll be frank, M brought that on herself and it has nothing to do the pricing the model, it has to do with her poor way of doing business. She's way too hard on new clients, practically unprofessional and sometimes downright mean. Terrible communication to anyone who's not already "a regular". She throws new clients who are clearly well vetted in the trash. She's throws out of town visitors right in the trash. She throws local clients who has long list of references in the trash just because they aren't vetted with a very particular set of bookers. For example, I gave that women a stack of all my most personal info, she had my whole life in digital format, I gave her 12 good HX references and 4 k agency references. All this trying to get to Hana. Apparently none of that shit was good enough for her standards. She tells me I'm going to have to first see 3 girls that I have no interest in from either Tom, Gray or Kate. At the time there was nobody on those rosters that interested me and I didn't feel like blowing $660 on ladies I didn't want, just to have the opportunity to blow another 300 on Hana. I personally know so many members who have a story similar to mine. All that good potential business in the trash, for nothing. It's just basic business 101; no matter what industry you're in, the blood lifeline of your success is NEW clients. If you shit all over the new clients because you only want to deal with the old ones then eventually prepare to fail. In Hana's last days with M, there was so many open time slots and days where you could clearly see Hana not getting business dispute being the best damn K girl in the market. M literally being a cockblocker. Also she's the only one with no established website that has the basic info a new client would need to make an informed decision. Literally unprofessional and always shrouded in the shadows like it's some bigass secret society. It's not fucking Fight Club M.[/QUOTE]Haha the M worshippers here think they have so much business but fact of the matter is their girls (aside from Hana) have so much open slots that nobody wants to see. It is kinda obvious top tier girls don't even want to work at her agency but M worshippers believe girls will want to work at M's than going a few blocks away and could charge much more for the same work LOL. Bookers to me is nothing more than a phone number in the grand scheme of things if girls don't want to work for you then you are basically done.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;5247140]I disagree, she's very hidden and difficult to book with. I don't believe for a moment she had so much business hand over fist. Half of her clients are probably sitting in this very thread and I think you are greatly overestimating how much business she had. I know for a fact Hana was wide open on several of the days leading up to her leaving and that's nuts. If Hana was with a different booker like Grey at her current rate she would be booked solid til next month.[/QUOTE]What evidence are there that suggests they are getting so much business? I could literally book any of their current line-up at ease with any slot I want. Maybe Hana getting fully booked for days gave away the misconception?

[QUOTE=MauiDiver;5247087]I think if you would post about your own experience with her it would provide more value. Not sure why you feel it so important to pontificate on this one but it's an open forum and you certainly have the right to post, or the right to remain silent.

First hand experience is always more useful than second hand reports or recaps from the public scoreboard.[/QUOTE]Your post was about her getting mixed reviews, and I commented on..wait for it...her reviews being more bad than "mixed".

[QUOTE=IAmGib1;5246833]The new KWapvibe Nana? Don't know about. However the real Nana is the Energizer bunny Nana and she spoils most and gets taken for granted. She is built like a gymnast. Young, tight, compact with curves. If she slowed her roll rather than her usual frenetic pace everyone would be happy. Nevertheless, she is still an E-Ticket ride at Disneyland![/QUOTE]Sorry, was talking about "Alyssa". She goes by Nana in Nor Cal. Not to be confused with Nana the Pomeranian doge owned by Emma.

[QUOTE=GoodBoy88;5247140]I disagree, she's very hidden and difficult to book with. I don't believe for a moment she had so much business hand over fist. Half of her clients are probably sitting in this very thread and I think you are greatly overestimating how much business she had. I know for a fact Hana was wide open on several of the days leading up to her leaving and that's nuts. If Hana was with a different booker like Grey at her current rate she would be booked solid til next month.[/QUOTE]No. You are underestimating the strength of their client list. Many of their customers are not on forums. Sure they will travel to see other girls but they are guys who are consistent mongers who see girls a few times a week. If a new very good girl shows up at M she will be booked consistently. Hana was made popular because she was at M first and 80% of her regulars are M customers. Guys who only see her I'm sure. M regulars have the power to make the girl a star or confirm she is a dud. Not many girls can leave M and flourish elsewhere. M is well known and many Bay Area girls and legends have been through there.

Don't be so angry man. Just see another org. No big deal. Also I've heard from girls at Gray. They only get 3-4 per day and one of you suckers to pay the 420. Remember half their list passed through M.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5247158]Your post was about her getting mixed reviews, and I commented on..wait for it...her reviews being more bad than "mixed".[/QUOTE]I was hoping you'd post a mini from your visit, to provide first hand information on what you think of her.

[QUOTE=CrunchEazy;5246882]LOL she is hard to get in with but she has no shortage of clients. I don't think this has anything to do with her not having business. I think the girls are going to higher paying agencies sadly. $350 with no upcharge for BBFS might be the best new model for M.[/QUOTE]I have asked some why they will not come back. They said money. They can make the same money with 2-3 mongers per day. If they went upcharge you would see them all return likely. M should hold on through the ride. When the travel restrictions ease it will be a new day. We will likely see new orgs develop and sticking to the 280/300 price model. Those up charge recycled girls better make their money now, those days will come to an end.

I actually heard rumors of another popular Bay Area org looking at options down here. They tend to stick to non upcharge model. Many of the girls who came to M last year came from Bay Area orgs. Jade (BK Evie), Mini (KGA Love/ BK Mini) Karen (KGA Diamond), Hazel (GFE Alicia), Dior (BK Aini/LSC Daisy), Allie (GSC Nicole), Kendall and Dora doubles (LSC) and many more.

M. Nari.

Sunny. Lyn, Joy, Niya, Nuri.

Newtopasian. LA Sera, Min.

Sexy Angels. Sophia, Erika. Emma.

SFK. Alyssa Viki.

PKL. Saki, Ara.

Sesang. Hana.

Angelsinwla. Hana.

KGLA. Haper, Saki, Piper.

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;5247222]I actually heard rumors of another popular Bay Area org looking at options down here. They tend to stick to non upcharge model.[/QUOTE]If you say LSC I will literally shit myself.

[QUOTE=MauiDiver;5247215]I was hoping you'd post a mini from your visit, to provide first hand information on what you think of her.[/QUOTE]I didn't know I was supposed to have a mini on her to comment that her reviews are bad.

I try not to see girls who give shitty service, sorry. And reviews are a good source of info about service.

[QUOTE=GoldDust58;5247206]No. You are underestimating the strength of their client list. Many of their customers are not on forums. Sure they will travel to see other girls but they are guys who are consistent mongers who see girls a few times a week. If a new very good girl shows up at M she will be booked consistently. Hana was made popular because she was at M first and 80% of her regulars are M customers. Guys who only see her I'm sure. M regulars have the power to make the girl a star or confirm she is a dud. Not many girls can leave M and flourish elsewhere. M is well known and many Bay Area girls and legends have been through there.

Don't be so angry man. Just see another org. No big deal. Also I've heard from girls at Gray. They only get 3-4 per day and one of you suckers to pay the 420. Remember half their list passed through M.[/QUOTE]Idk dude, I have no horse in this race but to me it seems that money talks and Ms reputation, as good as it is, is struggling to compete against raw money. It's a quantity vs quality and safety issue, it seems, and it looks like many girls are choosing the former.

Older, kinda of bad teeth (smoker? But thinnish MILF. Actually decent sensual service BBBJ, and a lot of body and nipple sucking action. I wouldn't recommend, but can be an alternative option at in the 280/300 crew.

[QUOTE=PussyDestroyr;5247046]Allie is better in everyday. Period.[/QUOTE]I concur with this statement, which was Ivy vs Allie.

Maybe some may think Ivy looks better, but that's subjective. Service wise there isn't even a comparison.

Hi, does anyone have intel on Winnie at Ktown?

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5247353]Idk dude, I have no horse in this race but to me it seems that money talks and Ms reputation, as good as it is, is struggling to compete against raw money. It's a quantity vs quality and safety issue, it seems, and it looks like many girls are choosing the former.[/QUOTE]Oh for sure. Time will be the judge. Anything can happen. Newcomer org comes around with new young hotties and you will see how the business will change then. It's fickle because the only thing that matters is green paper.

Avoid both unless you into 40's plus. Plastic surgery did not do enough for the 2. That specific org uses fake photos. Don't trust any of it. At least with some orgs there is some similar facial profile.

Rain and Hana is the best we will ever get and it comes once every 3 to 4 years.

If you want younger go on seeking arrange and bb the 20's for 400 but it will require some time and work and you have to put in 10 minutes a day to start the useless chit chat banter dance for several months before you land a 20 yr old that will bb you weekly. But once you get the plate rotation going its pretty worth it. Make them meet you at your schedule and place.

The third alternative is to go to Tj and drive several hours but you'll see quality better than the Korean organization, Hana is the exception.

[QUOTE=CrunchEazy;5246121]Wow, I've never seen M without anyone. Dying out like the palace?[/QUOTE]Once girls establish themselves and deveop business connections, they realize that they can be indies with multiple bookers and sub rent apartments from various sources. Without M or other owners, girls can pocket that extra $80-120 to themselves. The reason there are a lot of same girls in different sites now is because they work as indies with multiple bookers. Before covid/closure of CV, girls exclusively were attached to just one booker and/or house.

I saw high end escorts before seeing Kgirls. So out of habit, I always lay out the money first. I do this now with Kgirls and 70-80% of the time when they see the donation first, their shoulders drop and are more relaxed. Does it make the service better? Shit if I know since I've been doing this since day 1 of seeing Kgirls LOL I've never paid after the session is over and wouldn't want, not sure what girls might have anxiety over not getting paid first or having that client run off because he didn't like the experience and is not going to pay anything in the end LOL so for me, lay it out then it'll be out of sight, out of mind and pure fun from that point on.

[QUOTE=BastardChorum;5246560]I am throwing it out there that asking for and / or verifying donation first has always been SOP in this hobby, especially outside of kgirls. The safety and security afforded by the kgirl model has mitigated a lot of the horrible outcomes you sometimes come across or hear about. As a matter of fact, it's been so successful to the point that money can be verified after the fact, out of sight and out of mind. Usually and unfortunately, if they verify first then something must of happened to institute this practice.

I just don't want mongers to equate and conflate verifying donation first as a foreshadowing of bad service. It could or could not. But if it does turn out bad, false equivalence and confirmation bias may be incorrectly established and applied. Logically, how exactly does the act of counting money in any way inform you of how a girl is going to perform?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BrownPoopBB;5247471]Avoid both unless you into 40's plus. Plastic surgery did not do enough for the 2. That specific org uses fake photos. Don't trust any of it. At least with some orgs there is some similar facial profile.

Rain and Hana is the best we will ever get and it comes once every 3 to 4 years.

If you want younger go on seeking arrange and bb the 20's for 400 but it will require some time and work and you have to put in 10 minutes a day to start the useless chit chat banter dance for several months before you land a 20 yr old that will bb you weekly. But once you get the plate rotation going its pretty worth it. Make them meet you at your schedule and place.

The third alternative is to go to Tj and drive several hours but you'll see quality better than the Korean organization, Hana is the exception.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info on Casey. I was thinking of going this week but I knew the pics were too good to be true. This agency is like the Palace and they look like they only stock older milfs hence the non upcharge. I really miss young talent with skill. Rain was one of the best in recent years. I've seen some since she left and maybe 1-2 were close in terms of both looks and service. Until this shit blows over, the scene is just upcharges, milfs and recycled girls.

Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5247983]Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.[/QUOTE]In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5247992]In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.[/QUOTE]Do you feel not trusted or something if it happens often? Idk I really don't care. Maybe it's because I go (or used to) to a lot of storefronts where house fee is upfront or something idk.

Has a few new ones that popped up in the site. Does anyone have any info on them.

I read more stories about those that pay after the session is over and are straight up offended if the girl asks for the donation at the beginning of the session, say it sours the experience for them if they get asked for it upfront LOL so you're definitely not in the minority.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5247983]Maybe I'm in minority, but how and when I give money for the session is completely irrelevant to me.

Two of my ATFs:

One always wanted the donation asap.

The other never even touched or looked at the money I put on the bedstand, with me in the room.

Both amazing k-women.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5247992]In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.[/QUOTE]I don't remember being asked for the donation up front, but then, 95% of the time, I place an envelope on the dresser / night stand before we get past the preliminaries in the room. On only a handful of occasions has any of them even looked in the envelope when it's left without them saying anything.

[QUOTE=RocketManP;5248053]Do you feel not trusted or something if it happens often? Idk I really don't care. Maybe it's because I go (or used to) to a lot of storefronts where house fee is upfront or something idk.[/QUOTE]What I'm saying is that if it happens often or at all it shows a certain uneasiness or "mistrust" on the part of the girl. I don't know why I wound up doing it that way but I never offered the donation before the we began. Maybe I'm used to paying for a service after it's performed.

Majority of the times when donations is asked up front is due to?

Girl was given fake moola and after she counted it was fake.

Girl opened the sealed envelope or un-sealed and when she counted it was short by 20,40 or even higher.

A girl told me or several have told me they trusted the guy since he repeated. But, when envelope was picked up it was heavier and had a lot 5,10, and only a few 20's that didn't add up to.

Prescribed amount.

A always dummies screw it up for everyone else!

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5247992]In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.[/QUOTE]Same for me.

[QUOTE=Hahasupz;5248310]Same for me.[/QUOTE]That is the difference between north and south. Bay Area is used to just giving donation first and the majority of girls down here now are coming from Bay Area. The south is more used to it being end of session. I always give it to them in hand up front so they can count to see the pre session tip I am giving. If I leave it to the end I will forget especially if we go over 2-3 minutes and the next guys is waiting. I hear walk-outs have been an issue here. Not much of an issue in Bay Area where pay is usually upfront and sometimes they leave to put it away. Then smooth sailing session. Just my preferences, always up front and tip up front. But I really only see non-up charge girls so I am tip happy saving 100 plus every time.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5247233]M. Nari.

Sunny. Lyn, Joy, Niya, Nuri.

Newtopasian. LA Sera, Min.

Sexy Angels. Sophia, Erika. Emma.

SFK. Alyssa Viki.

PKL. Saki, Ara.

Sesang. Hana.

Angelsinwla. Hana.

KGLA. Haper, Saki, Piper.[/QUOTE]Interesting I tried booking hana for tomorrow and was told she be off for a few days due to that time of the month, surprised she worked today.

[QUOTE=PsuGuy911;5248362]Interesting I tried booking hana for tomorrow and was told she be off for a few days due to that time of the month, surprised she worked today.[/QUOTE]I try book her on Tuesday. Booker said she off due period. She be back in 4-5 days.

TOFTT with Alyssa, picture is accurate enough, but not of the services.

No DFK, not even LFK if any. Shower was whack, didn't take the post. Wanted to pull the rubber, I declined and she said no CIP. 1 x I was kind, 2nd time Injected unhappily. Smelly south, I couldn't continue DATY. No oral skills. I should have walked. Again, TOFTT.

She's attractive enough, but teeth are a bit off and yellow? Didn't bother me. Good luck on your encounters, I would never repeat.

Is perhaps the worst that I have seen in a long time. The choices are horrendous except very few.

[QUOTE=Toungsten;5247992]In all my years of hobbying there have been virtually no occasions where the donation was asked for up front. If it happened two or three times that would be a lot for me. Just my experience. Maybe because I enter as a trusted customer but it has been that way from the beginning.[/QUOTE]Interesting, some po even give out the instructions with donations first after you enter. You never seem that before?

[QUOTE=SsamX007;5247441]Hi, does anyone have intel on Winnie at Ktown?[/QUOTE]Used to go by Fanny. Use search thread to find more info.

[QUOTE=Hahasupz;5246635]My bad for not being more clear. I mentioned it was always a bad sign to me. That's just based on MY OWN experience. I've been in the hobby for about 8 years and I'd say most of the time where I was asked for donation first, the service was not that great. As always, this is just my own experience. Everything in this hobby is YMMV. Just sharing my own experience. Things could be totally different for everyone else.[/QUOTE]While your post did provide the impetus for my own post, it's not to deride what you experienced or personally call you out. But lately, I've seen more and more posts that mentions this and equates it to bad service. The service should be evaluated on it's own merit. Tying it to an external and separate event that has no bearing or influence on service is disingenuous at best and fool hardy at worst. It's unfortunate and I'm sorry that you run into duds when they ask for donation first but the two really shouldn't be equated. I'm not sure where the notion comes from. From the other end of the spectrum but essentially the same fallacy, it's like saying, "Well, when I go to this apartment and this room, I always have a good time with different girls, so this room usually means I going to have a good time. ".

Who is Rain and please provide link so we can easily see photos or else nobody knows who you're talking about.

Its like me saying "OMG Sessy is so awesome! She's a 1 who looks like JAV star Julia and she love balls deep anal" - with no info on who or where she is.

[QUOTE=BrownPoopBB;5247471]Avoid both unless you into 40's plus. Plastic surgery did not do enough for the 2. That specific org uses fake photos. Don't trust any of it. At least with some orgs there is some similar facial profile.

Rain and Hana is the best we will ever get and it comes once every 3 to 4 years.

If you want younger go on seeking arrange and bb the 20's for 400 but it will require some time and work and you have to put in 10 minutes a day to start the useless chit chat banter dance for several months before you land a 20 yr old that will bb you weekly. But once you get the plate rotation going its pretty worth it. Make them meet you at your schedule and place.

The third alternative is to go to Tj and drive several hours but you'll see quality better than the Korean organization, Hana is the exception.[/QUOTE]