"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

"As I have also posted previously, it does not hurt to browse some of the SB blogs for insights"-per F Scott.

How do you find SB Blogs?

Why do it? Because I can do it on my computer in 45 seconds rather than having to go to some store to get a physical card. GreenDot and the like don't offer the flexibility of the PP system. And once you have a PP account, they have all your ident info; the system is set up specifically so you can create / terminate card numbers on demand quickly and easily.

I've never heard of anyone getting grief for using PayPal's services this way, either from them or other financial institutions. If the financial world had that big a problem with it, PP wouldn't do it; that's their playground, and they aren't about to piss off all the other big players that they need to work with.

A couple years ago, I made the mistake of subscribing to one of those "learn how to make money off the internet" things. Getting it stopped completely took 6 months, repeated calls to both the company and my CC vendor, and a chunk of my time and frustration. Yes, the CC company can and will slap a big fine on any merchant that doesn't properly cancel charges. But they're on the merchant's side too, and getting it all done and stopped can take a lot of effort. I will not get myself into that position again, and PP's service makes it trivially easy not to.

If you prefer GreenDot or a pre-paid card, good on ya. But don't belittle other people's suggestions simply because YOU don't see value in them.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1299636]If you can, use a small value pre-paid credit card for this. I've had one heck of a time trying to cancel my membership with SD4Me.[/QUOTE]I have been reading this forum for awhile, but since I am not from VA, never really thought I should chime in. I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month. I had notified them 10 days in advance to cancel my membership and not bill my cc for another month, but they billed it anyway. So that is when I got nasty and started threatening legal action and told them I was filling a claim with the Better Business Bureau. After all that, they finally credited my card back for the month that they had charged without my permission. I learned my lesson, now, I only pay for membership by mailing them a money order. Takes a week or so to get activated, but better than going through the hassle.

[QUOTE I too had a heck of a time cancelling my membership with SD4Me. It takes weeks to get a response back from customer service, but yet, if you post something derogatory about the website in your profile, you get almost immediate response. That is the only way I could call attention to the fact that I did not want billed for another month.[/QUOTE]Thanks Dingus,

This is just the kind of practical, hands-on intel from the front that makes this thread, and most of the forum, a great service to us all. A couple of times I tried to slip my off-site email into my profile on SD and was immediately chastised, but when I tried to follow the instructions for canceling my membership, all I heard were crickets. I might go back one more time, because I did click in to some babies that were not on my preferred site, SA.

On a different topic, I am headed out of town again for work and am using my on-the-road gambit, so far with great results. I may try to schedule two babies each night, or would that just be hubris? What a great life this is! I will report any significant or helpful findings upon my return.

In the meantime, keep up the good work, gentlemen.

Scott

I just created a profile on this site. So far I really like the look of this site compared to sd4m. Also has more babies in my area. Anyone else have success on this site? Also seems the girls here are asking $3k+ a month. Is this real?

Hey Smoke,

SA is far and away my preferred site as well. There are many more babies in my area than SD4me, and since they only bill you for one month at a time, there's not the same hassle of canceling your membership as with the other site.

As for the amount of sugar the babies are requesting, just ignore that. The truth is most of them will have more than one SD, at least in my experience, and my feeling is that they put a high amount down so they won't feel like pros. I contact anyone that looks interesting, regardless of the amount they say they're looking for, and let things sort themselves out. I have met and successfully bedded 17 babies in the 4 months or so I have been pursuing this hobby, and never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd be having this much fun.

That said, it is, on one face of it, much more expensive a pursuit than the pro route, but the benefits, as have been described throughout this thread, far outweigh the costs. Take some time and go back to the very beginning of this thread and read it carefully if you haven't already. There is a gold mine of valuable, real-world information here, except, in my opinion, for the bizarre tangent about "squirters", but again that's just my opinion. Unlike a lot of the other threads in this forum, you will find all the hobbyists who are serious posters to be more than willing to share their insights, strategies, discoveries and misfortunes. I think we all can't believe our good luck, honestly, and it makes us polite to each other.

One thing I have learned that I can't stress enough. Be polite, courteous, well-spoken and circumspect in your first contacts. Polish your profile text until it is perfect, don't mention anything about fucking until they bring it up, and do not put up or send pictures of you unit. For a brief while as I was sorting out my own profile I had a fake sugarbaby one up, just so I could see what kind of messages the other guys were sending out. Disgusting! I never want to see another picture of a dick as long as I live. Every baby I have successfully landed, and even many of those that didn't work out, all tell me that my profile is so refined and polite, and that's what drew them to respond to my initial contact. These are not pros, and should be courted just like you would and civilian girl. The advantage is that they have already decided that they are looking for sex and know you are too. As one of the previous mongers on this thread has observed, you have both outed yourselves, which makes it easier and quicker to get to the ultimate goal.

Good luck, have fun, and share your escapades and insights with your brothers.

Scott

Paid for the Premium membership on SA. Sent out about 10 emails. Let's see if any of these girls bites.

Also, since I am not in Richmond, I hope you guys don't mind me putting up a few posts here.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1291888]Gentlemen,

I was recently browsing this forum as a whole when I came across a similar thread to this one in the Baltimore section. Apparently the hobbyists there are having a great deal of success posting their own ads on CL and BP. This tactic, I am aware, is nothing new. What was intriguing was that one member made reference to finding utrs on a website called Modelmayhem, which is a forum for photographers and models to showcase their respective talents. If this member can be believed, all one has to do is put up a profile masquerading as a photographer and contact any of the models who do nude or erotic shoots. He asserts that "most of them know what's up", especially if you tell them you are looking to do a POV shoot.

Is this bs, wishful thinking, or something one of you has had experience with? I will say that one of my sbs could also be found on the mayhem site, but I thought it was a coincidence. If anyone has experience with this approach, please share. I am thinking of setting myself up there, but it would entail some pretty sophisticated crafting to make the profile seem legit, including getting photos to put up as examples of my "work" that couldn't be traced back to the rightful photographer.

On another note, still no Lit? Has anyone heard from him?

Keep up the good work,

Scott[/QUOTE]I've had about a 30% success rate on MM. Some of the girls on there you can find posted in galleries on here as SB's, on AFF, Fling, or even as pros on Backpage. I've only gotten with one BP pro through MM and she was interested in new shots for her ads. After that however I stuck strictly to lingerie, nude and erotic models. The majority of them are basically broke ass pornstars in training or college girls hoping that someone will "discover" her. I did all of this by setting up a MM account, acquiring a legit seeming business email for the "studio" and buying some pro lighting off of CL. The DSLR I had and I bought a HD Cam. Also, each of the models has to email a release for her photos prior to coming to the shoot. Eventually I'm going to release all of this material as part of a website. I think of it as contributing to my retirement.

Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.

SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

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[QUOTE=Heelman69; 1302816]SO. After reading this and the thread up in B'more, I decided, this could be kinda fun. I did some research and made a post. Amongst the various SPAM e-mails I got one that had my filter phrase as the subject. COOL! 24 yo, Student, cute, thin, young brunette. Has possibilities, she put her real name in there, so I have done some research. Seems like a normal girl, maybe parties a bit (probably more than I would want to realise.) The big thing is, I don't want a drama queen or a gal that will show up on my doorstep or blow my phone up. I am using Google voice through my smartphone so I can call and text outside of my plan and my bill as far as listing numbers called, etc. Also, I can shut it off if I need to. Any other suggestions or comments?

[ATTACH=CONFIG]150551[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE=Spitfire;1302838]Looks like a good find. Google Voice is a good thing. If you're worried about her showing up on your doorstep, ease into it. Meet at neutral locations for fun. If she doesn't know where your doorstep is, kinda hard to show up there. But, if you get to know her and your trust level increases you could drop that barrier, but it's a big step. Also, you might want to block out her face a bit more. If by some chance she cruises these forums, she's likely to be pi*ed if she sees it here. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]Giving a girl knowledge about us that enables her to contact our family, our employer is the power to destroy us in the hands of a girl who might become desperate, unstable or jealous at some point which is really all the same thing, and women are particularly prone to having these tendencies on the quick and to the max. Plus, we are not dealing with women at the high point of their lives. There is no upside in giving her that power.

[QUOTE=Smokarz_XO;1301753]Got a response from a 25yr single mom white female. Talk about availabilty, etc. No specifics on $ or sexual activity. Looks like we'll hook up next week. Do you guys have any idea about gift amount on first date. I know I don't want to start high and got stuck with it. I like to start low-med and kick it up a notch from times to times to keep her please.[/QUOTE]I fell into the SB side of "[I]the business[/I]" by accident after years on the internet escort side when a friend in the business fixed me up with a civie girlfriend needing some help following a divorce.

Although the SB angle has been the best for me I have never totally left the internet escort side. So I know what a particular SB can command were she a traditional escort.

I've had no difficulty getting in a SB's pants with no prior talk of sugar simply by treating her like an ordinary girl I wanted to take to dinner and actually taking her to dinner the first time and most other times also. I've found SB's are uncomfortable with the discussion of sugar. Even though they want to know what to expect I've found if I don't bring it up they won't be the first. I'm sure there are highly experienced SB's who "out" themselves as experienced by wanting this detail cleared up ahead of time like a Pennsylvania lawyer on retainer. I just have not run into a girl such as this (with one exception).

When I have been with a SB I simply give her what she could get in the business, no more, no less. If she has any smarts at all she will see the reasonableness of what I slip in her purse as we are leaving, when she is being distracted by a door opening or closing, when I slip my hand in her purse palm down with the contents she cannot see, and without saying a word what I'm doing or have done. That's how I handle the gift. She will say, 'Thank you, ' and I still keep my mouth shut.

Talk about sugar is bad.

I disagree with going in low. We think. Women feel. She is probably in a difficult situation and I don't want her feeling I'm taking advantage. Some advantage is inescapable to the relationship, but there's unfair advantage. She is important to me. I want to be important to her. I am important by being reliable at scale with no surprises.

I also disagree with going in low because to give more over time is a slippery slope of getting hit all the time for more. It encourages boldness. It invites a door I don't want to go through.

Giving her reasonable sugar is good.

There is also no need. She is treated fairly. I bring security to her. She knows she can count on what she will be getting. The flakes she will be dealing with seal her to me. The glue is the certainty I bring to the table.

Women need a man they can count on.

One exception to the above was a girl who was not okay with the sugar after two visits and put the bite on me big-time. She turned out to be a bad case of golden pussy syndrome secondary to being a real estate agent. I didn't call her anymore. A few months later she called me to give me her new cell number. Things were nice and friendly but I never used the new number. GPS meant she was unhappy with my gift. She was certainly hot and delivered the goods but I did not want to be with her unhappy over the gift or me unhappy over the gift.

Smokarz_XO, the above is the background for my advice to give her what she can command as an internet escort in your market, no more, no less, and keep it there.

Golf.I really liked your sage advice. The problem is that Sugar ALWAYS comes up in this thread, and nobody knows exactly what magic number is going to make this baby happy. In my area I would say that the hourly rate for escorts ranges from $$ to $$$$, so that is a rather large spread. Now I am not talking the 15 minute graduated plan on BP, because some of those chicks can be had for $-$.5, and I'm not talking the GPS chix who occasionally pop up.

Smokarz. I would suggest evaluating your date based on her value to you as :1) a one time and out; 2) a suitable occasional roll in the hay you will want to call again but not regularly; 3) A prime candidate as a regular; and 4) a smoking hot too good to be true and got to own this girl.

The sugar would roll out this way IMHO pretty much as you can guess. 1) $.2) $$.3) $$.5. $$$, and 4) forget about it.she will bankrupt you and it won't be worth it in the end, because these are all GPS. But if you get a crack at it, then try $$$ unless you are plenty loaded and money is no object. Heck, Spitzer gave $5000 / hr for a soso escort, but then each to his own.

Keep in mind what I said in a recent post. You have Sugar plus room, dinner, drinks, and gifts = an extra $ to $$$ easily. At least escorts have the room and don't require gifts, dinner or drinks unless you just like that.

The cool thing about SBs is that they are probably not banging 20 other guys / week, might actually be monogamous with you for a while, will spend more than an hour and possibly all night for the same sugar, and still have that excited civilian attitude about them.

Check your area escort websites for the going rate with BP being the low end.

That's good advice and very reasonable. Thanks golfcart.