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Hi there. I'm still pretty new here. So I'm not sure if this has been covered before. But what would you guys say is the risk with going with BBFS? I know nothing feels like the real thing so we all prefer uncovered. But what's the risk usually involved in this?
[QUOTE=WonderBoy1111;3047348]Hi there. I'm still pretty new here. So I'm not sure if this has been covered before. But what would you guys say is the risk with going with BBFS? I know nothing feels like the real thing so we all prefer uncovered. But what's the risk usually involved in this?[/QUOTE]Risk depends on many things. Each person sees risk differently and has different tolerances for risk, whether rational or irrational. So in the end one has to figure this out for them self.
What "risk" are you concerned about? HIV? Or catching any STD? Pregnancy?
I would suggest reading the thread and see if any of your questions get answered. History usually has a lot to teach, rather than asking for an instant recap.
So do some looking around and evaluating and then ask some more specific questions or give some more specific info as to your situation? Are you proposing to go BB with SWs, AMP girls, CL hook-ups, BP Advertisers, Escorts, drunk girls from a bar, SBs?
As far as I can tell there is nothing out there right now that will kill you, unless untreated. A large majority of STDs can be "cured," the rest managed as "chronic conditions." As far as HIV infection rates go, each State Health Dept should keep statistics and have publicly available information. In general, infection rates for women are 2% or less. That means a random girl has a 98% chance of being clean. But there are many risk factors that can skew that tremendously and knowing those is important imho to evaluating risk.
Oh and I hope you aren't one of these double standard kind of guys? You know the dude stepping out on his SO who catches something and then freaks out because of the "stigma" of catching something suggests her is some how "dirty. ".
So what exactly is your situation and what exactly do you want to know? .
[QUOTE=WonderBoy1111;3047348]Hi there. I'm still pretty new here. So I'm not sure if this has been covered before. But what would you guys say is the risk with going with BBFS? I know nothing feels like the real thing so we all prefer uncovered. But what's the risk usually involved in this?[/QUOTE]Depends who you are messing with and precalence if stds in your part of the country. The heart of Midwest (ie Oklahoma, Indiana, etc) is far safer for things like HIV than say inner city Detroit, NYC, or Baltimore.
No chance I'd EVER bareback a street walker. That's how you end up w / HIV. Barebacking bar sluts or random internet hookups will almost guarantee you the clap at some point, but if you're single so what? Your piss burns for a day or two and then you get a shot in the ass and you're right as rain.
Bottom line. Wear a fucking condom. They work (most of the time) .
[QUOTE=DickWitman;3050011]Depends who you are messing with and precalence if stds in your part of the country. The heart of Midwest (ie Oklahoma, Indiana, etc) is far safer for things like HIV than say inner city Detroit, NYC, or Baltimore.[/QUOTE]Would sure like to see some facts / statistic to back that up! Seems to suggest some biases.
[QUOTE=CephlapodLove;3060604]Yeah, $250 for GFE = girl friend experience! So that means kissing, BBBJ and probably BBFS.
Standard rate is still $160 and is no kissing or lfk, CBJ and cfs.[/QUOTE]I don't think BBFS is safe. Just my opinion.
Do you know their opening hour?
[QUOTE=Morkun;3060775]I don't think BBFS is safe. Just my opinion.
[/QUOTE]Well, you asked about the 250 rate. Made no judgement about it, just reported.
There is a Safe Sex thread here on USA if anyone wishes to read and discuss safe sex practices.
[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?268-Safe-Sex[/URL]
Everyone has opinions. But part of mongering is "risk assessment" and everyone has to do their own evaluation.
Quoting from the following links:
[URL]http://justherpes.com/herpesremedies/monolaurin-herpes-lauricidin/[/URL]
"monolaurin is an antiviral supplement that is used to treat all strains of the herpes virus and other viral infections such as measles. Found naturally in breast milk and coconut oil, but otherwise rare in nature".
"It is thought that monolauric acid is effective in treating the herpes virus by liquefying the fats and phospholipids found inside the viral protein cell walls".
[URL]http://www.drweil.com/health-wellness/body-mind-spirit/sexual-health/herpes/[/URL]
"try taking monolaurin, a nontoxic, antiviral supplement made from lauric acid (a fatty acid found in breast milk). It is used to treat infections with all strains of the herpes virus along with other viral infections. Monolaurin is believed to have the potential to permanently inactivate the fat coated viruses that cause these diseases by fluidizing the lipids (fats) and phospholipids in their envelopes, leading to the disintegration of viral particles".
[URL]http://www.medhelp.org/posts/Herpes/Anyone-tried-monolaurin-capsules-to-prevent-OBs/show/1792043[/URL]
"Anyone tried monolaurin capsules to prevent OBs? I have, they worked and I'm passing on the info. I'm 55, going through menopause and have been plagued by genital herpes (from oral sex) for 34 years. I researched the Net and found out about lauric acid (derived from coconuts) and how it removes the protective shell of the herpes virus and leaves it open for your immune system to attack and destroy and Hallelujah! It actually does work. I shake my head in wonderment. It's over six months now that I took my first capsule and I've gone from two attacks a month to none".
[QUOTE=JohnDough;3064444]"monolaurin is an antiviral supplement that is used to treat all strains of the herpes virus".[/QUOTE]Maybe taking monolaurin could help prevent catching herpes. Maybe not. Just a theory. Worth a try if money is no object.
[QUOTE=JohnDough;3064892]Maybe taking monolaurin could help prevent catching herpes. Maybe not. Just a theory. Worth a try if money is no object.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. This is interesting.
I always practice this hobby as safely as possible (I'm kind of a germophobe) and lately I've been largely out of the game. Every once in a while I get tempted to hit up Backpage but it takes a lot to get me to go through with a date from there and I almost always regret it afterward (see my recent posts). Lots of risk for what usually turns out to be a very lackluster, overpriced experience. My preference is usually to find an under the radar, pretty 20-something who's looking for an ongoing thing on the DL to supplement an otherwise legit lifestyle. And even with her, I wrap it up religiously for all activities. So far, I've been very fortunate and haven't contracted anything, ever.
One of the things that scares me the most is herpes. It's pretty difficult for a careful hetero non-drug using white dude to get HIV (statistically), and most of the other usual suspects are treatable with antibacterials. But herpes is forever. I know it's manageable, and it's not the end of the world and for most people it generally keeps to itself most of the time, but I've never even had so much as a cold sore and I'd really rather avoid it altogether if I can.
My germophobe self has been reading a lot about STD's (it's sort of a weird obsession. WTF), and I've been coming across articles about the antiviral, antibacterial and antifungal properties of coconut oil and tea tree oil lately, and a product popped up called Protecteav:
[URL]https://www.camellix.com/products/protecteav-egcg-hand-sanitizer[/URL]
It's basically a hand sanitizer, with the usual 70% alcohol base, but it also has epigallocatechin-3-gallate (EGCG), the main constituent of green tea which allegedly gives it additional antimicrobial properties. There's some promising info out there that suggests that EGCG may have properties which could actually prevent infection with a variety of viruses and bacteria, including herpes, hepatitis C, and even the flu.
[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23072320[/URL]
[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26490660[/URL]
[URL]http://researchpub.org/journal/jbpr/number/vol2-no3/vol2-no3-5.pdf[/URL]
[URL]http://www.heraldopenaccess.us/fulltext/Antivirals-Antiretrovirals-Research-&-Therapy/Virucidal-Capacity-of-Novel-ProtecTeaV-Sanitizer-Formulations-Containing-Lipophilic-Epigallocatechin-3-Gallate-[/URL](EGCG). Php#tab2.
So it's known that condoms offer some protection against herpes but only of the skin the condom actually covers, plus it protects the mucus membrane at the tip of the penis. The pee-hole. Which is awesome, but not a complete solution. The area right around the penis, and the scrotum are definitely exposed to any nasties lurking around your playmate's vagina and / or mouth, and since herpes is transmitted by skin / skin contact. Yeah.
Herpes is a actually relatively fragile virus and, like HIV, it's of a type that has a "lipid envelope" which is a fatty layer that surrounds it and kind of holds it all together. If this fatty layer is destroyed, the virus is effectively "killed" (some people say viruses can't be killed since they aren't really living things to begin with, but you get the idea). The alcohol in hand sanitizers will destroy the lipid layer of viruses on the skin if left on long enough, and it's suggested that tea tree oil (EGCG) and coconut oil (monolaurin) can be effective in destroying the lipid layer too.
The Protecteav website says very clearly that the product provides a "2-hour protective barrier of protection". Very interesting (and somewhat vague) claim. Who knows if it's true, but I for one am not above lathering up the lads and area around my junk not covered by a condom with this stuff before and after an encounter (with a hot shower in there too for good measure) if it will inhibit infection by the herp.
There's also a bodywash called Defense Soap.
[URL]http://defensesoap.com[/URL]
Which contains Tea Tree Oil too. This product is aimed at contact athletes who are at risk of contracting skin diseases from contact with others through wrestling, ju-jitsu, etc. They claim, among other things, that using it reduces the chances of contracting Herpes Gladiatorum, which is essentially the HSV-1 virus. Could it work for us too?
If you're interested, there's quite a bit of info on the web about this stuff. No one is actually coming out and saying "use this stuff to prevent herpes" yet, but the research appears promising. Food for thought. And the obligatory "I am not a doctor. ".
I really should find a new hobby. Skydiving anyone? .
It's not an opinion. It's a scientific fact.
[QUOTE=Morkun;3060775]I don't think BBFS is safe. Just my opinion.
Do you know their opening hour?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Kwagmire;3073509]So it's known that condoms offer some protection against herpes but only of the skin the condom actually covers. The area right around the penis, and the scrotum are definitely exposed to any nasties lurking around your playmate's vagina and / or mouth, and since herpes is transmitted by skin / skin contact. I for one am not above lathering up the lads and area around my junk not covered by a condom with this stuff before and after an encounter (with a hot shower in there too for good measure) if it will inhibit infection by the herp.[/QUOTE]Another product you could consider using before sex is a skin barrier cream. The active ingredient in products like Derma Shield and Gloves in a Bottle is dimethicone. It bonds with dead surface skin cells and stays in place until those cells are shed. Dimethicone is also used in silicone lubricants. The trick would be to wipe off any excess that might make the condom slip.
[QUOTE=Merge1;3073743]It's not an opinion. It's a scientific fact.[/QUOTE]Really? And can you share the scientific facts please? I'd like to see them.
I've never posted but have been active with the girls of BP. Concerned over STD's. Are they common with any of the girls? Also any suggestions on where to get the "shot" if in fact there is a concern? Any input is appreciated.
[QUOTE=DuvalBaller;3085660]I've never posted but have been active with the girls of BP. Concerned over STD's. Are they common with any of the girls? Also any suggestions on where to get the "shot" if in fact there is a concern? Any input is appreciated.[/QUOTE]No one wants to really read this as the truth results in much less fun. I have pretty limited time in this but can assure you they are very common -- wildly common. And several (gonorrhea, chlamydia, hpv, hsv (herpes)) can be easily passed between month and organ during BBBJ (ejaculate is irrelevant) or anal. Throw in trichomoniasis and these things are so widespread that anyone having unprotected, penetrative sex with a BP girl is virtually guaranteed to get one or more of these.
Read that again and let it sink in.
BBBJ still comes with high risk but the good news is that most of the orally passed stuff is easily curable (and that which isn't is limited in male health damage.).
If you have a significant other involved you'll continue to reinfect yourself until she's treated. And the health damage to females and their reproductive system (and / or child during delivery) is much greater.
You can get treated at a family doc or one of those urgent care facilities all over. Shot in butt combined with one dosage of oral antibiotics and you're good in a couple days. (You could go to planned parenthood and save a few bucks but there are likely a couple weeks waiting time.) For a few bucks you can go online and get tested. Confidential and about 2 or 3 days.
I'm clean but acknowledging the above has really spoiled the fun for me. And of course there are rare infections without cure.
[QUOTE=MyDarkSide;3086205]No one wants to really read this as the truth results in much less fun. I have pretty limited time in this but can assure you they are very common -- wildly common. And several (gonorrhea, chlamydia, hpv, hsv (herpes)) can be easily passed between month and organ during BBBJ (ejaculate is irrelevant) or anal. Throw in trichomoniasis and these things are so widespread that anyone having unprotected, penetrative sex with a BP girl is virtually guaranteed to get one or more of these.
Read that again and let it sink in.[/QUOTE]I get that you feel violated because you caught something from a provider. But without cold hard facts one is just pushing an emotional agenda.
So to counter the claim that these are "very common. Wildly common" and "penetrative sex with a BP girl is virtually guaranteed to get one or more of these. " I'll offer statistics from the CDC. One can check out the report for them self.
[URL]http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats14/surv-2014-print.pdf[/URL]
[U]Prevelance of STDs in the USA.[/U]
[B]Chlamydia[/B] - 456.1 cases per 100,000 - [B]0.46%[/B].
[B]Syphilis[/B] - 6. 3 cases per 100,000 population - [B]0.063%[/B].
[B]Gonorrhea[/B] - 110.7 cases per 100,000 population - [B] 0.111%[/B].
Then relative to this discussion is the transmission rate for various sex acts? In other words what is the actual risk, not the "perceived risk?" Is the transmission rate 100%? 50%? 10%?
Found this info.
[URL]https://srconstantin.wordpress.com/2015/04/30/std-statistics/[/URL]
So what is "high risk?
If less than 1% of a random sample of people have an STD, then what is the potential risk of catching something? How does a transmission rate of less than 100% effect one's "risk?" What types of sex acts are more likely to transmit a STD? What groups (age, race, gender, orientation) are higher risk?
Yeah, it is terrible when one catches something and not what I'd wish on anyone. But that isn't indicative of what the reality is.
That said, covering up for sex can reduce the risk.