Bullshit that has Nothing to do With Pussy

This is going to sound circular, but as long as the pussy doesn't smell bad, I love the smell and taste of pussy. And I like to kiss. DATO is not something I would do unless she's really smelling clean. It's something I do with girlfriends. I haven't messed with street walkers so my comment is about women in apartments (or when I was in Europe, in brothels). Of course, women can fake how much they like it. I'm not stupid enough to think that most women actually have orgasms with clients, but if they also allow FIV then you know they're enjoying DATY to some level. And that's a turn on for me personally. I think the big risk here would be herpes and HPV. Other STIs seem less transferable during oral sex. DFK, herpes appears to be the bigger risk.

Just play at your comfort level. I wouldn't be concerned with what other guys do with these girls. What risks guys are willing to take is up to them.

[QUOTE=LoveSmallPerky;5202677]Are you willing to share what her profile name is? It isn't really just her but in general most of those on Seeking won't take $200/ meet, assuming you mentioned per meet, and many are at the $300 amount as a minimum. If they agree to the lower amount they are STG types, seeing multiple men or the 1 HR type that aren't into the whole chemistry / connection aspect. I'm not trying to say how much, what or how to do this but just explaining how they may be looking at it.[/QUOTE]Yeah, people who run the numbers like "You're flipping burgers for $10 an hour, you should be happy with a $50 meet" are missing a crucial component of capitalism. It's not about what you're worth, it's about what people are willing to pay. That's why baseball players make 100 x what cops make. And why your sugar baby will pay $5000 for a bag that looks the same as a bag you saw for $100 just with a different logo.

Chances are if she's good looking enough there's a guy willing to pay her more than $200. She isn't comparing your offer to how she makes money now, she's comparing your offer to his. If his is better she has no use for you anymore.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5202944]Yeah, people who run the numbers like "You're flipping burgers for $10 an hour, you should be happy with a $50 meet" are missing a crucial component of capitalism. It's not about what you're worth, it's about what people are willing to pay. That's why baseball players make 100 x what cops make. And why your sugar baby will pay $5000 for a bag that looks the same as a bag you saw for $100 just with a different logo.

Chances are if she's good looking enough there's a guy willing to pay her more than $200. She isn't comparing your offer to how she makes money now, she's comparing your offer to his. If his is better she has no use for you anymore.[/QUOTE]You just went off the topic. But I don't think you fully understand the concept of Capitalism. It's the opposite of what you described. In Capitalism it's about what you are worth. It's called individual / private rights. In a Capitalist world you set the price and not the society as a whole. You put the perfect example about the Baseball player and Police officer. Both are people but one is worth more because he has the skills / talent to play. Now if the officer acquires those same skills, then he can play baseball and make that much money.

Do you think Apple asked people how much they are willing to pay for their phones? I that was the case, iPhones would be selling for about $200 at most. Why they sell for over $1,000, because Apple thinks their phones are worth it. Do you think pharmaceuticals ask people how much they are willing to pay for drugs they invented. They come up with a price, if you like it you but it, otherwise you die, plane and simple.

In regards to SA, I don't think most guys give money to girls simply because they are smart or know how to sing, or play an instrument or speak 5 languages or know how to cook. For most guys it's about intimacy / companionship and most of the time it's based on looks. On the other hand, Most women chose SA 'cause of financial reasons, otherwise they would post on Tinder or similar apps. So if money is their incentive and they complain they don't make that much money (hence they are on the site) they should do the math. $200 for just about an hour or so is not hat bad especially for a girl with just average looks (plus it's nothing like she's selling her V LOL). But I do get your point.

Happy hunting buddy!

[QUOTE=DWaits;5200350]This is going to sound circular, but as long as the pussy doesn't smell bad, I love the smell and taste of pussy. And I like to kiss. DATO is not something I would do unless she's really smelling clean. It's something I do with girlfriends. I haven't messed with street walkers so my comment is about women in apartments (or when I was in Europe, in brothels). Of course, women can fake how much they like it. I'm not stupid enough to think that most women actually have orgasms with clients, but if they also allow FIV then you know they're enjoying DATY to some level. And that's a turn on for me personally. I think the big risk here would be herpes and HPV. Other STIs seem less transferable during oral sex. DFK, herpes appears to be the bigger risk.[/QUOTE]Honestly a SW (sex worker) is a SW no matter where she's based but I wasn't passing judgement you do you but I was wondering more the why know the risks of different and sometimes super aggressive STI out there but hey in the end it just comes down to personal choice and can't be quantified but just a heads up I got from a friends of mine who is a current porn actress if it smells too clean she might be on antibiotics. To all my fellow hobbyist out there have fun but play safe.

[QUOTE=OnlyDreams;5203382]You just went off the topic. But I don't think you fully understand the concept of Capitalism. It's the opposite of what you described. In Capitalism it's about what you are worth. ![/QUOTE]The problem with that logic is you are assigning a value to a girl randomly yourself, vs everyone else that clearly pays up in this area. A few SA girls told me they travel from Texas and Missouri on the weekends to Chicago land, because of how dumb the guys are, willing to pay double what girls get down south. I think Fungus summed it up nicely, used to share, but got burned, only really useful to share the bad ones so everyone can avoid. You are not going to find a decent hot girl in this market for 200 sadly, that's just how it is. (and maybe not even a 35 year old dumpy one either, blame the gold coasters who don't care about what they pay and to whom).

[QUOTE=FightingFungus;5200429]You have to do your own work. No one is going to share any good ones. I used to share not anymore. As a matter of fact the majority won't even ask about a good one or share one they no longer see. Pros and scammers and girls who are a 2-5 rated in looks are shared. There used to be a few posters that shared by I think many got tired of getting 25 messages on inbox and some may have even been burned like I was by it.[/QUOTE]There use to be a small yet dependable group, I like to think I was one, that we all shared amongst each other. I don't see them, and includes me posting as much as we use to. But to your point it seems the board has become more guys hoarding their connects and just reporting on them not really willing to share like when I first got here years ago. Again I get it.

I had a member, I won't name, we were texting agreed to trade and share info. I sent him my contact he requested and when it came time to get his contact he said he was scared to text it to me on my burner because he might "get in trouble and wasn't sure if sharing the number was a crime" I couldn't help but shake my head and fallout laughing. This was a member here that has senior status. Not trying to beat that poor guy up but if we have guys here that think sharing numbers of contacts is somehow going to get them "in trouble" then it unfortunately tells me where the board has come to you. Hopefully we get back to the old days or at least the days where seniors trusted seniors and shared.

Dwill.

[QUOTE=OnlyDreams;5203382]You just went off the topic. But I don't think you fully understand the concept of Capitalism. It's the opposite of what you described. In Capitalism it's about what you are worth. It's called individual / private rights. In a Capitalist world you set the price and not the society as a whole. You put the perfect example about the Baseball player and Police officer. Both are people but one is worth more because he has the skills / talent to play. Now if the officer acquires those same skills, then he can play baseball and make that much money.

Do you think Apple asked people how much they are willing to pay for their phones? I that was the case, iPhones would be selling for about $200 at most. Why they sell for over $1,000, because Apple thinks their phones are worth it. Do you think pharmaceuticals ask people how much they are willing to pay for drugs they invented. They come up with a price, if you like it you but it, otherwise you die, plane and simple.

In regards to SA, I don't think most guys give money to girls simply because they are smart or know how to sing, or play an instrument or speak 5 languages or know how to cook. For most guys it's about intimacy / companionship and most of the time it's based on looks. On the other hand, Most women chose SA 'cause of financial reasons, otherwise they would post on Tinder or similar apps. So if money is their incentive and they complain they don't make that much money (hence they are on the site) they should do the math. $200 for just about an hour or so is not hat bad especially for a girl with just average looks (plus it's nothing like she's selling her V LOL). But I do get your point.

Happy hunting buddy![/QUOTE]The reason Apple sells iPhones for $1000 is because they believe people are willing to pay $1000.

The reason girls on SA say yes to $400 and no to $200 is because men are willing to pay $400. You can't tell Apple that their iPhone only costs $200 to make so they should be more than happy if you offer them $400 instead of $1000. It's the same thing with girls on SA.

Capitalism is not about a fair price for what you offer, it's maximizing your profit.

[QUOTE=Jinurso;5205019]The reason Apple sells iPhones for $1000 is because they believe people are willing to pay $1000.

The reason girls on SA say yes to $400 and no to $200 is because men are willing to pay $400. You can't tell Apple that their iPhone only costs $200 to make so they should be more than happy if you offer them $400 instead of $1000. It's the same thing with girls on SA.

Capitalism is not about a fair price for what you offer, it's maximizing your profit.[/QUOTE]You need to take some express Economics 101 course! You just repeated what I said. In a Capitalist world YOU set the price regardless because you think it's worth it. On your previous post you said it has nothing to do with being worth it. Make up your mind buddy. You are mixing the concept or have no idea about capitalist. Plus it has nothing to do with the point I tried to make. Happy hunting buddy!

You can offer whatever amount you're comfortable with and she will either accept or decline it. I doubt that you will find a decent escort, would be a 1 and done / out the door, for $200. Yes, the SA gals may have their issues, but for the most part are normal GND types and not meeting with every guy that makes an inquiry. That in itself will drive up the offers. I would guess that any of the SA gals that are doing the $200/ meet are seeing multiple men, like an escort meet, or those in the less desired group because of looks, size or issues. It can all boil down to the looks, demeanor of the POT and quality, duration and activities of the meet that you're looking for. As those things increase, the allowance increases. Those are also affected by the guys looks, personality and how suave he is that can make him more desirable to the women.

I have talked to many of my friends in this hobby and they say that I'm wrong because if I'm paying a SW for services I'm only concerned about my happiness, I am not concerned if she orgasms or not I'm honestly not putting in any additional effort it's her job to get me up and get me off that the expectations of our arrangement I'm not doing anything to enhance her experience not fingering her, kissing or anything this is not an emotional connection this is business, my thought pattern s how many of us work from companies that care if your work is fulfilling or fun that care about your general happiness, they want productivity and that's what I expect from a contractor, I'm paying you for a service provide said service. What do you guys think?

[QUOTE=Bishop69;5206198]I have talked to many of my friends in this hobby and they say that I'm wrong because if I'm paying a SW for services I'm only concerned about my happiness, I am not concerned if she orgasms or not I'm honestly not putting in any additional effort it's her job to get me up and get me off that the expectations of our arrangement I'm not doing anything to enhance her experience not fingering her, kissing or anything this is not an emotional connection this is business, my thought pattern s how many of us work from companies that care if your work is fulfilling or fun that care about your general happiness, they want productivity and that's what I expect from a contractor, I'm paying you for a service provide said service. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]Many men get off on fingering her or kissing her or eating the pussy. All that can be for the man's satisfaction as well. Nothing wrong with that.

[QUOTE=Bishop69;5206198]I have talked to many of my friends in this hobby and they say that I'm wrong because if I'm paying a SW for services I'm only concerned about my happiness, I am not concerned if she orgasms or not I'm honestly not putting in any additional effort it's her job to get me up and get me off that the expectations of our arrangement I'm not doing anything to enhance her experience not fingering her, kissing or anything this is not an emotional connection this is business, my thought pattern s how many of us work from companies that care if your work is fulfilling or fun that care about your general happiness, they want productivity and that's what I expect from a contractor, I'm paying you for a service provide said service. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I've had a few all time favorites in my day. And I'm sure they "liked" me because I was no trouble, friendly, clean, and a consistent repeat customer. And with that in mind I've gotten more from them. Good for me. But I've never had one that got emotionally attached, wanted me to please her, called me Daddy. I really think they prefer that. And yes, I've had a few ask me if I was married and when I said No came back with "You want to get married?" Those don't end up on my ATF list.

I get what your friends are saying. It's definitely a safer way to proceed.

I personally like kissing, GFE / DFK is a big enhancer for me. And I get some sort of serious enjoyment and / or ego kick out of getting them off, when they're not faking it, which some do and some don't.

The feeling of an emotional connection is very nice, but it's *VERY* dangerous. It's generally been a mistake for me, and I think most others. Most of the time, probably the vast majority of the time, it's not real, and virtually any of these girls can go full-retard at any time. Some are vicious, some are just fucked up, either way it can be painful.

[QUOTE=Bishop69;5206198]I have talked to many of my friends in this hobby and they say that I'm wrong because if I'm paying a SW for services I'm only concerned about my happiness, I am not concerned if she orgasms or not I'm honestly not putting in any additional effort it's her job to get me up and get me off that the expectations of our arrangement I'm not doing anything to enhance her experience not fingering her, kissing or anything this is not an emotional connection this is business, my thought pattern s how many of us work from companies that care if your work is fulfilling or fun that care about your general happiness, they want productivity and that's what I expect from a contractor, I'm paying you for a service provide said service. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Bishop69;5206198]I have talked to many of my friends in this hobby and they say that I'm wrong because if I'm paying a SW for services I'm only concerned about my happiness, I am not concerned if she orgasms or not I'm honestly not putting in any additional effort it's her job to get me up and get me off that the expectations of our arrangement I'm not doing anything to enhance her experience not fingering her, kissing or anything this is not an emotional connection this is business, my thought pattern s how many of us work from companies that care if your work is fulfilling or fun that care about your general happiness, they want productivity and that's what I expect from a contractor, I'm paying you for a service provide said service. What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]I have always found if I'm nice to them it comes back to me in a positive way.

Not all the time but I've had my share of discounted service or something along that line because I made sure they got off.

Or at least I think they did.

I'm trained in massages and I've ended up trading services.

Not a lot but enough.

I hear a lot of guys are jerks to some providers and they remember.

In the end they are human. I just don't get attached or get stupid like send money.

Thsts going too far in the end it's a business transaction.