Anybody use this place? Rates are around $50. Use to be a big name hotel. Seems a 1000 times better than Plaza and the other cheap northside options.
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Anybody use this place? Rates are around $50. Use to be a big name hotel. Seems a 1000 times better than Plaza and the other cheap northside options.
[QUOTE=RegulatorD;3520740]Anybody use this place? Rates are around $50. Use to be a big name hotel. Seems a 1000 times better than Plaza and the other cheap northside options.[/QUOTE]I've been there a few times to see a friend who no longer is there. It's dumpy and the pool is drained but perfectly adequate. Nobody ever bothered us but I've never been there at night only during the day.
Mongering in our hobby is an exercise in calculated risk. The obvious risks revolve around legality, of course. The other obvious risk is reputation in the event you get caught by whomever you don't want to find out. And, of course, there are financial risks such as not receiving service. Does anyone pay up-front anymore?
Which brings me to parallels between mongering and gambling. Experience is our best education when it comes to hopefully learning what not to do in either situation. Don't show your cards in a poker game. Don't bet against a blackjack dealer showing an ace. Don't enter a hotel room without first checking the shower in addition to closets for "roommates. " Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.
But even in gambling we break our own experience-spawned rules either just to see what might happen or because that "stupid" DNA strand in your genes decided to manifest itself for a moment. Hopefully, you know not to make such a gamble without willingness to lose it all. Same in mongering. If you're not prepared to lose what's in your pocket even when you don't receive what you expected, you're in the wrong hobby. At some point or another, we all experience a loss (and hopefully learn from it). I can't count the number of times I've scheduled with a provider only to hear upon arrival, "sorry, my period just started" while she's standing over the bathroom trash can filled with tampon wrappers from days ago.
In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.
Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.
Hopefully, this might help those of you who might possibly think it isn't a gamble to front anything to a provider. It rarely works (so don't do it)!
Mongernator.
Preach on. And thank you for sharing your experiences. I wonder if some similar addictive mechanisms are involved though.
[QUOTE=Mongernator;3523663]Mongering in our hobby is an exercise in calculated risk. The obvious risks revolve around legality, of course. The other obvious risk is reputation in the event you get caught by whomever you don't want to find out. And, of course, there are financial risks such as not receiving service. Does anyone pay up-front anymore?
Which brings me to parallels between mongering and gambling. Experience is our best education when it comes to hopefully learning what not to do in either situation. Don't show your cards in a poker game. Don't bet against a blackjack dealer showing an ace. Don't enter a hotel room without first checking the shower in addition to closets for "roommates. " Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.
But even in gambling we break our own experience-spawned rules either just to see what might happen or because that "stupid" DNA strand in your genes decided to manifest itself for a moment. Hopefully, you know not to make such a gamble without willingness to lose it all..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.
Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.
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That's happened to me. Especially the "I'm done" part. But. . . A few days pass, the text or call comes in with a lame but theoretically possible excuse, and I cave in and schedule another visit. I guess the little head has a short memory. Or is it that fine pussy is, after all, fine pussy.
But this time, I promise to never do it again. Then, like most wh0 res, I too am a liar. Even, perhaps especially, to myself.
HB.
[QUOTE=Mongernator;3523663]
In my case I gambled that my UTR had earned the small loan I gave her yesterday in expectation she would be ready for me as she desperately promised she would be for me this morning. She's been great about sticking to plans made even days in advance. So, and based on experience with her, I had no reason to expect otherwise. So I woke up early as planned, texted to confirm as planned, and of course: crickets. We even had a backup plan in case her alarm didn't awaken her where I would call if no text reply. Crickets, crickets, and more crickets for the rest of the morning (I stop calling after the third 15 minute interval). And now, hours later still filled with crickets, I'm done. Next. Her loss, too because I had a big tip waiting for her as I always do in reward for waking up early. Alas. And it's not like I wasn't willing to lose the loan cash because I never lend anything I'm not willing to lose.
Lesson learned? I thought I did. Monger lessons learned have always reduced risk: never lend money, never pay in advance, never leave your wallet / phone / keys out of sight. Shame on me.
Hopefully, this might help those of you who might possibly think it isn't a gamble to front anything to a provider. It rarely works (so don't do it)!
Mongernator.[/QUOTE]I've done that before, but luckily haven't been let down like you have. I am always prepared to lose the money though. Bottom line for me, I feel like I can't be surprised anymore, but I [B]CAN BE[/B] disappointed.
Suggestion I'm sure you don't need: when she calls with bullshit, don't give in. That's the best payback I can come up with.
[QUOTE=HoBeau;3524254]That's happened to me. Especially the "I'm done" part. But. . . A few days pass, the text or call comes in with a lame but theoretically possible excuse, and I cave in and schedule another visit. I guess the little head has a short memory. Or is it that fine pussy is, after all, fine pussy.
But this time, I promise to never do it again. Then, like most wh0 res, I too am a liar. Even, perhaps especially, to myself.
HB.[/QUOTE]That's what the [B] "BLOCK"[/B] function is for on phones and burner apps. In my experience, when you cave, it only lets them know they can do it again.
First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.
[QUOTE=Mongernator;3523663]Don't discuss an act or fees until after your pickup gets in the car and you've done the checks after you've driven away from the pickup scene. Etc.[/QUOTE]Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.
[QUOTE=LustForLust;3524456]First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.
Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.[/QUOTE]Biggest thing to take away here is the only interaction you should have with her outside your car is "hey need a ride" If it's a sting with a female LEO she'll want you to agree to (specific act) for (specific amount of money) while she is outside the car, she will then tell you to pull down a side street to her spot, where you get busted. Checks you ask? Well can be several things but usually a visual where each party can check out the usually hidden "goodies" and maybe a "handshake" or that type of thing. If a girl just hops in your car and no one is following you, that's a pretty good sign that it should go ok. Unless things have drastically changed, a LEO isn't going to get in your car. Just be smart and careful. I consider Streetwalkers as advanced mongering, so much more can go wrong. If your looking to get your feet wet find a nice reliable and well reviewed provider here on usasg.
I learned everything I know from an episode of cops and anything I write or suggest is obviously fictional and for entertainment only.
[QUOTE=Mongernator;3523663] Does anyone pay up-front anymore?[/QUOTE]I know I don't. I don't recall when I did last. I don't even go into a situation you'd be forced to pay up-front. (hours of hotel due etc.).
Obviously ALL the clients of a few popular providers (avoid to name) do pay upfront. It was almost shocking to me. It's a violation of Monger Code 101. Why do you do that? Especially when she is heavily relying on USASG members. We collectively have major leverage, we could have changed her routine.
[QUOTE=LustForLust;3524456]First of all, thanks for the report. Learning from each of you. I've only been active in SanFran, where things are way different from Ohio.
Can you expand any on the "checks" for the benefit of a hobbiest who has started researching 3/ M /5/ X and still apprehensive about first dates.[/QUOTE]I loved SF SW mongering. Girls everywhere, open and obvious. The local jail was too crowded. Girls know they will spend a night in jail and go home.
[QUOTE=Goodson2000;3524892]I know I don't. I don't recall when I did last. I don't even go into a situation you'd be forced to pay up-front. (hours of hotel due etc.).
Obviously ALL the clients of a few popular providers (avoid to name) do pay upfront. It was almost shocking to me. It's a violation of Monger Code 101. Why do you do that? Especially when she is heavily relying on USASG members. We collectively have major leverage, we could have changed her routine.[/QUOTE]I'm somewhat new to the hobby. Why is this such a violation?
Like someone else said, I'm only bringing money that I'm prepared to lose. I will never be surprised, only disappointed. Granted, I've mostly dreamt of highly reviewed providers and I do a lot of research on my own; I haven't been played yet, but if there comes a point in time where I feel like a provider is trying to get over on me. I will always just cut my losses, and just be sure to tell my experience in here. Them relying on us as regulars is far more valuable than them getting a quick $80 bucks off of a member here. I will never argue or complain w / a provider about services that were promised but not fulfilled. If she wants to burn her bridge with me. Her loss.
That, and the thought of actually arguing with a hooker is just hilarious to me. Not going to happen.
Stay Safe.
[QUOTE=DaytonSteve;3524569]Biggest thing to take away here is the only interaction you should have with her outside your car is "hey need a ride" If it's a sting with a female LEO she'll want you to agree to (specific act) for (specific amount of money) while she is outside the car, [/QUOTE]Well, you corrected several anticipation daydreams right there. Good thing I'm just watching so far. (Really, waiting for next payday.).
[QUOTE]I consider Streetwalkers as advanced mongering, so much more can go wrong.[/QUOTE]I was leaning that way because I've been scared off from too many reports of going to a hook-up and getting robbed. It seemed safer, but I keep being wrong about things. Probably still a few weeks from contact.
[QUOTE]I learned everything I know from an episode of cops and anything I write or suggest is obviously fictional and for entertainment only.[/QUOTE]TV taught me everything I thought I knew, but probably should have watched Cops, because apparently TV taught me how to get arrested.
I also take it from assorted comments that the "cash on the nightstand" thing is a fantasy. You perhaps show you have it, but COD.
[QUOTE=Goodson2000;3524916]I loved SF SW mongering. Girls everywhere, open and obvious. The local jail was too crowded. Girls know they will spend a night in jail and go home.[/QUOTE]I wasn't even doing SW. I was there when Market Street Cinema was open and active. I'd turn down a half dozen "almost" and then take the girl with the right shape (for me) to back stage. After the first awkward event, learned to pay the backstage fee early, unless I was just looking.
Ahhh. The only thing I miss about California (aside from the obscene salary I was getting in the land of $500 k condos).
[QUOTE=Brandon2779;3524924]I'm somewhat new to the hobby. Why is this such a violation?
Like someone else said, I'm only bringing money that I'm prepared to lose. I will never be surprised, only disappointed. Granted, I've mostly dreamt of highly reviewed providers and I do a lot of research on my own; I haven't been played yet, but if there comes a point in time where I feel like a provider is trying to get over on me. I will always just cut my losses, and just be sure to tell my experience in here. Them relying on us as regulars is far more valuable than them getting a quick $80 bucks off of a member here. I will never argue or complain w / a provider about services that were promised but not fulfilled. If she wants to burn her bridge with me. Her loss.
That, and the thought of actually arguing with a hooker is just hilarious to me. Not going to happen.
Stay Safe.[/QUOTE]I'm not interested in discussing the validity of battle tested Mongering Code with new people. (Maybe you have another handle name, and try pretending new with some reason though) Paying upfront is wrong in many levels.
In short, keeping money with you warrants a better service. Money is only leverage you ever have.
(where did the link to the monger code go? It used to be somewhere within this site. It's a must read material).