"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4642557]Never had a problem with IP on Tinder. New number, new profile, I use the same picture I did before. The first few days you seem to be under more scrutiny tho. My profile is very basic with nothing even remotely suggestive of P4 P or SD stuff. I even stay within my "age" range (50's) and keep my profile hidden so no one can see me. After a few days I add more to my profile to indicate why I am there and dial my search back to 18-28. Just keep trying after all who cares you didn't lose a penny like you do on SA when it happens. I am back up and running in less that 12 hours when they ban me. I am able to grab 2-3 a month off Tinder and Bumble. And these are young non pro's that have never even sold themselves on SA and the like. A few recents I converted off there to selling their bodies to a man is his 50's.[/QUOTE]There is one other way you get tracked. The MAC address of your device. This is how, for example, you get access to sensitive account websites (bank, brokerage) when your device is 'recognized'. I advise changing up your MAC address, there's nothing magical about the one that came w / your advice. I have'nt been doing this, but I am getting a new laptop this weekend, I definitely will. Then, there won't be a way any site, like Google, can track you from civi and sugar activities to match them up. My bowl buddy Tom here taught me this.

This girl was one of my fave all time lays: fashion model looks, hot body, solid skills and charming when she wanted to be.

BUT.

I'm not sure who it is but someone is trying to impersonate her and sent me a text looking for $. I don't know who it is but there's no question of who it isn't. This girl passed away late last year. I imagine someone has gotten hold of her phone and is trying to cash in. Beware.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1d4830a6-01b1-4667-9c8c-822e8a697a5f[/URL]

Newbie,

I used a new phone number, new email in trying again after the ban.

I still got banned.

You say no issues w IP? Are you sure you are using the same WiFi and have no issues?

Internet research suggests they are tracking IP, hence the issue w using the same WiFi.

Ideas?

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4642557]Never had a problem with IP on Tinder. New number, new profile, I use the same picture I did before. The first few days you seem to be under more scrutiny tho. My profile is very basic with nothing even remotely suggestive of P4 P or SD stuff. I even stay within my "age" range (50's) and keep my profile hidden so no one can see me. After a few days I add more to my profile to indicate why I am there and dial my search back to 18-28. Just keep trying after all who cares you didn't lose a penny like you do on SA when it happens. I am back up and running in less that 12 hours when they ban me. I am able to grab 2-3 a month off Tinder and Bumble. And these are young non pro's that have never even sold themselves on SA and the like. A few recents I converted off there to selling their bodies to a man is his 50's.[/QUOTE]

So looking for some intel if possible. I have a seeking account but have not bit the bullet and paid yet. This one sent me a message and since I don't have a paid account I cannot see the message. LOL. I'm asking if anyone here can provide some info on this one (number, snapchat, facebook etc.)? Ad says Chesterfield VA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0355200e-9c0b-4e99-8a52-7d6f166965c7[/URL]

BH44.

LOL, I'm one of them. Do you use your real age and show real face pic? When I was experimenting with Tinder about a year ago, I wasn't getting banned, but I wasn't getting any swipe backs either, I mean literally zero.

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4643080]Tinder will ban men in their 50's like me trying to buy an 18 yo's pussy running a SD profile yes. It happens when a girl (s) report my profile sir yea. A pita and some work of course. But isn't SA? And I am not paying 90 a month for this. And when they ban my profile I didn't get ripped off like SA. I just get a new free profile. These are all young girls I met and fucked off Tinder and Bumble. And I am 58.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BuckHead44;4644914]So looking for some intel if possible. I have a seeking account but have not bit the bullet and paid yet. This one sent me a message and since I don't have a paid account I cannot see the message. LOL. I'm asking if anyone here can provide some info on this one (number, snapchat, facebook etc.)? Ad says Chesterfield VA.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0355200e-9c0b-4e99-8a52-7d6f166965c7[/URL]

BH44.[/QUOTE]I have been chatting with her but haven't set anything up. She asked what I was looking for so I sent my usual "NSA, casual but intimate, weekly, yadda yadda yadda" and she responded with "You don't want my pussy?" - this was like the 4th message. I told her yes and she immidiately responded with her #. Feels pro and probably expensive. I may hit her up to see but in the meantime I have been chatting a bunch of younger girls and hoping 1 of them will pan out.

[QUOTE=Tidad;4643472]This girl was one of my fave all time lays: fashion model looks, hot body, solid skills and charming when she wanted to be.

BUT.

I'm not sure who it is but someone is trying to impersonate her and sent me a text looking for $. I don't know who it is but there's no question of who it isn't. This girl passed away late last year. I imagine someone has gotten hold of her phone and is trying to cash in. Beware.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/1d4830a6-01b1-4667-9c8c-822e8a697a5f[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow, that's low! Go swipe some hot pics off of Instagram like the rest of these fake be-archs.

[QUOTE=FarFarAway;4643443]There is one other way you get tracked. The MAC address of your device. This is how, for example, you get access to sensitive account websites (bank, brokerage) when your device is 'recognized'. I advise changing up your MAC address, there's nothing magical about the one that came w / your advice. I have'nt been doing this, but I am getting a new laptop this weekend, I definitely will. Then, there won't be a way any site, like Google, can track you from civi and sugar activities to match them up. My bowl buddy Tom here taught me this.[/QUOTE]Unless you're spoofing the MAC in powerup or manually, then buying a new laptop won't make you untraceable via MAC. The NIC will have a MAC, your laptop will have a MAC, and if you access the site then it's probably leaked through the HTTP referer. However, if you're talking pattern of life cues, if you access these sites from the same locations, time, etc. Anyone that wants to find you will eventually make the connection.

[QUOTE=FTP1999;4644793]Newbie,

I used a new phone number, new email in trying again after the ban.

I still got banned.

You say no issues w IP? Are you sure you are using the same WiFi and have no issues?

Internet research suggests they are tracking IP, hence the issue w using the same WiFi.

Ideas?[/QUOTE]If it is IP, then using a VPN would help that, but considering the limited staff of Tinder (and the lack of support) I think it's more automation and others reporting you. Think buzz words, automation looks for them. As an added note, I access 2 different Tinder's (made both after my first ban) from the same Wifi, about 2-3 different devices and I've not been banned yet. All that's different is no buzz words.

Something weird is going on, almost every single profile has logged in from a foreign country (India, Ukraine, Vietnam, etc) and a ton of profiles in my area that have not been logged on for months did so in the last few hours. Tried another city and same thing. And I should point out this includes profiles of girls I have met, so they're not all fake.

Tried to renew my SA membership and it says "account suspended".

Pretty sure it's because I reported an old transactions as fraud to my CC company to get me money back because I was pissed that they auto renew me when I didn't want to.

I made a new profile and somehow they tied it to my old one and suspended that too.

I have found it impossible to get any support from the SA site. Anyone had this happen or know how to best get a hold of support.

Thanks.

Dear Brothers,

Please share your experiences with supplements and foods that have helped with morning wood.

[QUOTE=Banger12;4646198]Tried to renew my SA membership and it says "account suspended".

Pretty sure it's because I reported an old transactions as fraud to my CC company to get me money back because I was pissed that they auto renew me when I didn't want to.

I made a new profile and somehow they tied it to my old one and suspended that too.

I have found it impossible to get any support from the SA site. Anyone had this happen or know how to best get a hold of support.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]By chance did you use the same CC, email, or anything else tied back to the chargeback? Yeah. That costs them cash and can hike their fees with the CC companies, so you're 100% banned if you do a chargeback.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4646542]By chance did you use the same CC, email, or anything else tied back to the chargeback? Yeah. That costs them cash and can hike their fees with the CC companies, so you're 100% banned if you do a chargeback.[/QUOTE]When I made a new account I used different email and paid with a vanilla master card. I did however use the same pics.

If you used your previous CC that's how they found you. That's assuming you used a new IP, new email, completely new profile and new pics. If you did a charge back good for you and thanks. Every time SA gets one of these it raises their credit risk with the CC companies. Eventually they will be punished for doing this to us with higher transaction fees. Lots of good advice but here is what I have found works. Go to Walmart buy a $100 One Vanilla MC. Register it online with a fake name and zip code. Use that fake name and zip code when you pay them. Put the remaining balance in your gas tank and throw it away.

[QUOTE=TechSticles;4646542]By chance did you use the same CC, email, or anything else tied back to the chargeback? Yeah. That costs them cash and can hike their fees with the CC companies, so you're 100% banned if you do a chargeback.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;4646520]Dear Brothers,

Please share your experiences with supplements and foods that have helped with morning wood.[/QUOTE]Waking up next to a hottie half my age always gives me morning wood.

Same. Several I have fucked and met. I think I posted 4 links in a previous post. Now one is listed back in the US when I click the link. Either Wade decided to do Fem bots like other low rated rip off sites or they got hacked.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4645944]Something weird is going on, almost every single profile has logged in from a foreign country (India, Ukraine, Vietnam, etc) and a ton of profiles in my area that have not been logged on for months did so in the last few hours. Tried another city and same thing. And I should point out this includes profiles of girls I have met, so they're not all fake.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PghGuy2005;4646520]Dear Brothers,

Please share your experiences with supplements and foods that have helped with morning wood.[/QUOTE]Horny goat weed or epimedium, and watermelon.

Any scouting report on this one? Nothing came up in the search. Almost looks TGTBT. Please PM if you have any info. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/69eebce1-82ee-498b-8287-58fb84e4a4d6[/URL]

Hi.

I have been communicating with this young lady on SA. I stopped gong forward because she wanted to meet at a hotel I was not comfortable gong to. Have any of you meet her and message me with your experience. I would appreciate it. I can provide intel of some of my ladies. Here is her link on SA. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d26e45d4-aa74-4c28-9980-5079bdfcd62d[/URL].

Rvaexec.

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4646686]Same. Several I have fucked and met. I think I posted 4 links in a previous post. Now one is listed back in the US when I click the link. Either Wade decided to do Fem bots like other low rated rip off sites or they got hacked.[/QUOTE]I think SA did it, just autologged on a bunch of dormant accounts to make them look active. Even if you emailed one of them it wasn't read so the only point of the whole exercise could have been to make it look to SD's as if there were more active accounts.

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;4647650]Hi.

I have been communicating with this young lady on SA. I stopped gong forward because she wanted to meet at a hotel I was not comfortable gong to. Have any of you meet her and message me with your experience. I would appreciate it. I can provide intel of some of my ladies. Here is her link on SA. [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d26e45d4-aa74-4c28-9980-5079bdfcd62d[/URL].

Rvaexec.[/QUOTE]She's been reviewed here before, should be under the same name if you search. Feel free to message me, I do have experience with her. Overall, cute / sexy but not into sex.

One of her private pics is one of the hottest I've seen of a clothed woman. Any one getting anywhere with this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a2f1b028-28b2-4581-9435-e9c4d9bcda79[/URL]

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4648280]One of her private pics is one of the hottest I've seen of a clothed woman. Any one getting anywhere with this one.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a2f1b028-28b2-4581-9435-e9c4d9bcda79[/URL][/QUOTE]I messaged and this was her response.

"I'm looking for something fun, easy-going, and platonic. What are you looking for?

Going to message back and see if I can find out what her definition of platonic is but I don't have high hopes.

[QUOTE=Dimples572;4647107]Any scouting report on this one? Nothing came up in the search. Almost looks TGTBT. Please PM if you have any info. Thanks.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/69eebce1-82ee-498b-8287-58fb84e4a4d6[/URL][/QUOTE]Did you notice that her recent location was [B]Thailand[/B]?

[I]Safe mongering and sugaring![/I]

[QUOTE=EasyeOne;4648104]She's been reviewed here before, should be under the same name if you search. Feel free to message me, I do have experience with her. Overall, cute / sexy but not into sex.[/QUOTE]I can second this. She prefers to meet at a pretty crappy place for whatever reason. Sketchy place for an SB. Most girls want a 5 star hotel. This girl prefers a roach-infested dump.

If you like girls that can't wait to leave you might like her. Maybe a one and done if you have no other options and really really need to get off. Cute girl for sure, but just not worth it in my opinion. Other options out there make her a waste of money. Spend your time and hard-earned cash elsewhere.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4648355]I messaged and this was her response.

"I'm looking for something fun, easy-going, and platonic. What are you looking for?

Going to message back and see if I can find out what her definition of platonic is but I don't have high hopes[/QUOTE]I'm texting her now to set something up for this weekend. Will let you know what I find.

Just logged on to SA to check it out. Interesting. Is it worth actually paying the fee? If so, is there a way to do it discretely?

Have any of you seen the United Airlines commercial touting their expanded service out of Harrisonburg airport?

I always got a chuckle out of.

"SHD is great for Mom going to London for work.

Or to visit grand ma in Chicago.

Or for Dad to visit his little girl at JMU. ".

I guess I'm not the only one who found it creepy-sounding.

The current version says "or for dad to visit his daughter at JMU".

I guess United disapproves of Sugaring.

[QUOTE=Memgrizzdoc;4649252]I'm texting her now to set something up for this weekend. Will let you know what I find.[/QUOTE]I haven't got to texting yet, but she told me to stop by the club for an informal introduction, and that she was on the site before she was a dancer.

[QUOTE=ErnestLl;4649790]I haven't got to texting yet, but she told me to stop by the club for an informal introduction, and that she was on the site before she was a dancer.[/QUOTE]Expects a few donations just for dinner for a few weeks, so stopped texting.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4648355]I messaged and this was her response.

"I'm looking for something fun, easy-going, and platonic. What are you looking for?

Going to message back and see if I can find out what her definition of platonic is but I don't have high hopes.[/QUOTE]She hit me with the platonic thing as well. When I asked her only platonic? She replied "I don't go into relationships with an expectation of physical, so that's why I say platonic. I never know what the connection will be like".

I didn't bother chasing after it.

[QUOTE=DrRusso27;4649611]Just logged on to SA to check it out. Interesting. Is it worth actually paying the fee? If so, is there a way to do it discretely?[/QUOTE]But do yourself a favor and go here and read up on the proper way to do it. It's great if you know what you're doing, but if not you'll get taken advantage of, scammed and waste a ton of time with nothing to show for it. Info about discretion, how to do it, what to say, etc is literally all in here from people who have done it successfully. Put in the time to read it.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4651425]But do yourself a favor and go here and read up on the proper way to do it. It's great if you know what you're doing, but if not you'll get taken advantage of, scammed and waste a ton of time with nothing to show for it. Info about discretion, how to do it, what to say, etc is literally all in here from people who have done it successfully. Put in the time to read it.

http://www.usasexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?15100-Sugarbaby-Thread-Highlights-Index-and-FAQ[/QUOTE]Nice, glad to see that all the effort I put into making that FAQ thread is still paying off.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4645944]Something weird is going on, almost every single profile has logged in from a foreign country (India, Ukraine, Vietnam, etc) and a ton of profiles in my area that have not been logged on for months did so in the last few hours. Tried another city and same thing. And I should point out this includes profiles of girls I have met, so they're not all fake.[/QUOTE]I've noticed the last logged in location information on profiles has been unreliable for months. I've met women while they still showed being overseas. I don't think it is anything intentional by SA or a hack. Looks like just sloppy coding that they have failed to fix.

Hey all!

I think everyone has noticed the uptick in the # of new SBs in the RVA and overall that is a very good thing. The added competition should work out well for us Mongers.

But with it comes more fakes, more scammers and more girls who are looking for online only.

Should we start a thread specifically about these girls? It could help weed them out for those of us that are actually trying to meet.

Here is an example.

A few days ago this superhot young lady appeared on SB:

Babygirlsolo22 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/69f85160-e005-4212-bb14-de703cc81fe3[/URL] 22 yo, 5'2", slim Caucasian in Chesterfield. I messaged her and she immediately responded (red flag) and we moved to text. I noticed in her profile and her texting that English is not her strong suit (another red flag). She went on to say that she needed money for groceries to feed her kid and wanted me to meet her at the WalMart in Petersburg to buy her groceries and that later she would cook me dinner (another red flag. Later).

This is odd for a scammer bc they usually ask for CashApp or Venmo. She was very insistent (another red flag). She changed her story a little a couple times trying to get me to agree to drive to Petersburg and at 1 point said if I could do 150 or 200 she could "give me something real quick" when I got there. I felt it was a scam kindof early on and her wanting to meet at WalMart made me think shed get in my car to "meet" and next some thug would show up and rip me off. IDK but it didn't feel right so I stopped responding. She has texted a couple times since but I haven't responded.

Yesterday this superhot young lady appeared on SB:

Sugarbabysoloboo - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/0781c4fb-096c-4d7f-b92a-fbce50fd69ee[/URL] The description and pictures are almost certainly the same girl and the usernames and sort of broken English in the profiles is very similar. Both profiles are currently active. Odd bc they usually take down the old profile when they make a new one. Maybe she forgot her password? Anyway, I didn't bother to reach out.

Has anyone had any dealings with either of this one?

[QUOTE=FanRat;4653740]
Babygirlsolo22 - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/69f85160-e005-4212-bb14-de703cc81fe3[/URL] 22 yo, 5'2", slim Caucasian in Chesterfield. I messaged her and she immediately responded (red flag) and we moved to text. I noticed in her profile and her texting that English is not her strong suit (another red flag). She went on to say that she needed money for groceries to feed her kid and wanted me to meet her at the WalMart in Petersburg to buy her groceries and that later she would cook me dinner (another red flag. Later).

This is odd for a scammer bc they usually ask for CashApp or Venmo. She was very insistent (another red flag). She changed her story a little a couple times trying to get me to agree to drive to Petersburg and at 1 point said if I could do 150 or 200 she could "give me something real quick" when I got there. I felt it was a scam kindof early on and her wanting to meet at WalMart made me think shed get in my car to "meet" and next some thug would show up and rip me off. IDK but it didn't feel right so I stopped responding. She has texted a couple times since but I haven't responded.
[/QUOTE]I've had some similar and they ended up being a request to buy a Google play or Steam card or something when I got there and send that to them. I've had them send addresses and things like that in my vicinity, but getting you to drive a distance (not sure how far that is) is a new sort of twist. It may be a strategy of thinking you will be more likely to do it on the possibility of meeting her since you went to all that trouble. I was on my way to one of them when they dropped that request on me, but it was only 20 minutes from me and nothing lost.

Quick and easy test, set a date and time and then text you're on your way. Even text that you're there, and my guess is that's when she drops the request on her. This is near her so no biggie in the 0. 1% chance she's real.

My assumption when I see that bad English is that you're actually talking with someone in a boiler room in India or the Ukraine simultaneously texting with hundreds or thousands of guys with these scams trying to rip people off of as little as $10 or $15. I do not believe you are talking to actual females located in your city.

[QUOTE=Madaboutmax;4653616]I've noticed the last logged in location information on profiles has been unreliable for months. I've met women while they still showed being overseas. I don't think it is anything intentional by SA or a hack. Looks like just sloppy coding that they have failed to fix.[/QUOTE]It could be some programming glitch or test or something but it wasn't unreliability of the location data. It was hundreds of profiles in my area that were all dormant for months that showed logging in around the same time from overseas locations. Just not possible that many dormant accounts all decided to log in on the same day, and it happened in other cities. Thankfully it only happened that one time and since it's been a few days they aren't clogging up the "recently active" search.

[QUOTE=TomDickNHarry;4655205]My assumption when I see that bad English is that you're actually talking with someone in a boiler room in India or the Ukraine simultaneously texting with hundreds or thousands of guys with these scams trying to rip people off of as little as $10 or $15. I do not believe you are talking to actual females located in your city.[/QUOTE]When this situation arises, I try to solve it with a bit of brief phone small talk before, and ask a few specific things about the city they claim to be in or near. If everything else is suspect and they aren't interested in talking phone, I assume it's not worth pursuing further.

You know you are a monger when:

A) Your bank account is decimated from fucking hoerezz.

B) Your balls are empty and you are still creeping on SA.

C) You have fucked or otherwise cocked-off in 4 'Sugar Babies' on the first page of results on the SA site.

D) All of the above.

In the words of the 20th century poet Calvin Broadus (a. K. a Snoop Dog) - "Everywhere I go, I see the same ho".

Happy Mongering. MJ.