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[QUOTE=Michael1967;6327494]I had a top 5% creator in my office recently. She brought in $31 K before expenses. Nothing impressive. She made over $100 K in tips alone as a Bikini Barista (or at least that's what she paid tax on). I had to look it up but it appears a Top 10% creator makes over $1000 month. Someone posted she was Top 12% and made $700 month. So, I would assume this person makes $500-600 month on only fans.[/QUOTE]You can't live in Seattle on that! Couldn't even live in Wenatchee on that! You have to realize these women are young and the only clue they have is guys just want to F* them so they try and make money off of that. Can't really blame them, it's simple supply and demand. And Seattle is an expensive place to live.

[QUOTE=Lego19;6326183]Wanted 800 ppm, I passed.[/QUOTE]Yea, f* that. Was slightly interested but not at gps rates.

Her insta has pics of her before she went rave emo look with piercings all over her face.

Anyhow, thank you all for saving me time!

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/18b1d275-4c66-44dc-b84d-23dab17977a2[/URL]

Not much info I can gather from profile. Is she wearing some fast food joint uniform? Any experience with this one?

I have five dates coming up this next week. Most of the girls have selected "discreet affairs" as one of their interests. I know we touched on this recently but I'm hoping for more feedback. From your experience, how many of you have converted a $100 offer mid date into a PPM? Versus just, fucking without that. I'm just curious to get a sense of the odds. And yes, I know that the flake factor will probably be higher, but let's just play along for the sake of the question your success, or experience on this issue?

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6328655]I have five dates coming up this next week. Most of the girls have selected "discreet affairs" as one of their interests. I know we touched on this recently but I'm hoping for more feedback. From your experience, how many of you have converted a $100 offer mid date into a PPM? Versus just, fucking without that. I'm just curious to get a sense of the odds. And yes, I know that the flake factor will probably be higher, but let's just play along for the sake of the question your success, or experience on this issue?[/QUOTE]I shouldn't say this, but you'll pretty much be able to tell during the date.My very first WYP date offered to take me to her home in Issaquah for more money (wrote about it here when it happened). I had one that thought the offer included hooking up. Best sex I had since I've been single. I miss her.

As I mentioned before, about 60% of my dates turn into sex. Some for money, but most not. I also take them to a nice restaurant, can make decent, conversation and (probably most important) get a few drinks in them. Coffee dates are always a no for me. I think one very important reason for my success is that I NEVER bring up sex. If they bring up the subject, then it's game on. I just think they are nervous anyway and if you bring up sex, you're going to creep them out.

I did go on a shitty date in Everett. She was the worst conversation ever and never even took off her jacket. When I was walking her back to her car, I saw what was under the jacket and she was hot as fuck. I offered her money. She got in her car and immediately blocked me. So, I probably wouldn't do that again. Could've tried for a second date.

One question I always ask is, "why are you on the site?" Their answer should dictate your next step. If they say they need money, then you ask them if $100 dates once or twice per week will actually make a dent. At that point, use your discretion. Also have a answer ready for when they you the same question. "I'm just looking for horny chicks to bareback" isn't acceptable.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6328690]Some for money, but most not.[/QUOTE]It's that moment where you're trying to avoid paying money unnecessarily that seems to be the art of the date. Do you willingly pay the date offer up front, or after? Or just don't bring it up at all and wait for them to. And at that point, figuring out how to get to the goal through charm vs more $. I know with seeking, this is always clear in advance. Not knowing if the girl is disguising her requirements for PPM money is that subtle thing with the WYP girls. So this, I'm hoping for more comments on how this has gone for you all. Michael, you've been a real trove for us. Thank you.

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6328729]It's that moment where you're trying to avoid paying money unnecessarily that seems to be the art of the date. Do you willingly pay the date offer up front, or after? Or just don't bring it up at all and wait for them to. And at that point, figuring out how to get to the goal through charm vs more $. I know with seeking, this is always clear in advance. Not knowing if the girl is disguising her requirements for PPM money is that subtle thing with the WYP girls. So this, I'm hoping for more comments on how this has gone for you all. Michael, you've been a real trove for us. Thank you.[/QUOTE]I think if she wants money, she will bring it up. The people that wanted money, I never had to squeeze it out of them. I occasionally have to squeeze the amount out of them once they mention they are looking for money. I personally would not bring it up first and treat it like a date. You'll be surprised at how it will come up, some will mention being a sugar baby, some will talk about how they have some bills due, some will just come out and offer. But some are just looking to date, treat those like dates and ask them to go somewhere after. Like a cool bar. Dress well, be polite, open doors and ask open ended questions and talk about yourself as little as possible. The biggest complaints I hear about previous dates is guys talked about themselves the whole time. If she's older and you act like a gentleman it's almost guaranteed. Younger is more of a crapshoot (but my car BJ's came from younger ones).

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6328729] And at that point, figuring out how to get to the goal through charm vs more $.[/QUOTE]As he said, it's pretty simple. Present yourself as reliable (pay the offer, date expenses), interesting, and safe. Get to know them, understand their motives and respond accordingly. I doubt any woman wanting compensation will change her mind unless it was George Clooney walking thru the door. But I do believe the opposite. Most women know within minutes if they're open to sex with a guy after meeting. Some will come in with a set price and others willing to hear offers. Others will change their minds at the last minute. That's why it's so YMMV.

[QUOTE=DaCruz6;6328015][URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/18b1d275-4c66-44dc-b84d-23dab17977a2[/URL]

Not much info I can gather from profile. Is she wearing some fast food joint uniform? Any experience with this one?[/QUOTE]It's a restaurant called "Furr's Buffet" and only had restaurants in Texas. I'm guessing the profile is fake.

Took a peek at WYP, recognized half of the profiles from SA. I guess I'll stick to SA for now.

Anyone seen her yet?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e0135468-f341-4f14-9217-428d488cad58[/URL]

[QUOTE=Baddaddy2021;6329153]Anyone seen her yet?

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/e0135468-f341-4f14-9217-428d488cad58[/URL][/QUOTE]I think someone with a location like that (Washington, Washington) , they are mostly fake accounts or scams.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6328907]I think if she wants money, she will bring it up. The people that wanted money, I never had to squeeze it out of them. I occasionally have to squeeze the amount out of them once they mention they are looking for money. I personally would not bring it up first and treat it like a date. You'll be surprised at how it will come up, some will mention being a sugar baby, some will talk about how they have some bills due, some will just come out and offer. But some are just looking to date, treat those like dates and ask them to go somewhere after. Like a cool bar. Dress well, be polite, open doors and ask open ended questions and talk about yourself as little as possible. The biggest complaints I hear about previous dates is guys talked about themselves the whole time. If she's older and you act like a gentleman it's almost guaranteed. Younger is more of a crapshoot (but my car BJ's came from younger ones).[/QUOTE]Yup this is pretty much the blueprint that I follow. For me though I have almost never met someone on SA who met for the first date completely for free (I. E. A date). It has happened for future visits where we meet, have a nice dinner and wine and then fuck like rabbits without an actual payment. I do agree though that slightly older (40's) women are much more mature and know what they want from the meeting. The really young ones are sometime too immature or just all over the place for me. For those I prefer a price upfront and then just go fuck them (I. E. A more TNA style meetup) rather than dinner and wine (of course there are probably younger girls who are incredible smart and mature, I was not generalizing).

Had me get a hotel, and communicated right to that point. Then ghosted me.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/06926705-49b9-430f-87c8-99d72dbe8bec[/URL]

[QUOTE=XyzzyS2;6332032]Had me get a hotel, and communicated right to that point. Then ghosted me.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/06926705-49b9-430f-87c8-99d72dbe8bec[/URL][/QUOTE]Judging by her picture, looks like she was diverted to a "Golden Corral" instead of going to your hotel.