"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

Things must be getting tougher on the college cuties. I had 3 M&G's this past week and each one of them agreed to $150 per meet in the FC. When the subject of the arrangement comes up, I tell them I gave my last SB that per meeting. Funny thing is, all three didn't even try to get me to give them more. The first one is a 20 why / o home from college. Went to the FC with her and it was worth so much more. I think I might be getting lucky with this one. She had to go back to her college with her Dad yesterday and was very upset last night. Wouldn't tell me what was going on but I am guessing she may have been univited back in the fall. That could be good for me, but I am not sure if that is what happened. The other two I will have to wait to see as I am leaving for a 2 week vacation tomorrow.

This is the funny thing about playing in this hobby. Sometimes there is more pussy that you can either afford or physically handle, or, you can't get any even if you wave a fist full of hondo's.

[QUOTE=Latex;2150585]Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?[/QUOTE]I would go silent on her. If she becomes persistent, tell her you were extremely disappointed to the point that you feel no need to repeat it. She did not live up to her end of the arrangement. If she wants to show you that she is capable of doing that, then tell her that you will see her again but you're not paying for the next session since you only had 15 minutes the first time. You need to stick to your guns on this.

Now, there is also a lesson for you here. She did that because you gave her the donation first. In all future dates with her or anyone else, they should get it after. If that is not acceptable to them, walk. Trust me, you will save yourself from future situations like this. Imagine if you had the ability to tell her you are only going to give her $50 for a 15 min date? Always keep that leverage. A true SB never looks for the donation until you are ready to part ways. Based on the rate she quoted and wanting it up front, she's most likely an escort.

[QUOTE=Latex;2150589]New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.[/QUOTE]Propaganda is a good way of putting it. I think it has and they realize it's been greatly exaggerated and things are loosening up a bit. PS haven't tried the SD thing yet maybe I should.

What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.

Last night I met a heavier set 21 year old I had been txting with for a few days because she said she was super submissive and she had a pretty face. I picked her up and went straight to a room. She said she was a good girl and that she just wanted to make daddy happy. She said to just do anything I wanted to her. After about 30 minutes of heavy pounding she said she was tired so I face fucked her for almost an hour after that. I have rarely had a spinner go balls deep for more than a minute here and there. This girl just sucked and sucked, repeatedly DT-ing, gagging and drooling. Going all the way down most of the time.

So when it was time to leave I told her I needed to stop at the ATM to get her the $ I promised for our time together. She said she wasn't comfortable with that so we settled on half of that. After the ATM I handed her the cash and she said she didn't really want any money and that she just had a daddy fetish and gave me back the cash, except for 10 dollars. I'll probably see her again. I would say she was a 7/6/10/9. Even though she was big she was proportionately curvy with flawless tanned skin and a shaved kitty that was smooth as silk.

Since I still had the room I called my MILF as she lived nearby and I did another hour with her. So I got to double dip on the room. After working for 8 hours and then 6 more hours of dating I stopped for a burger and chocolate shake at my favorite drive through. Appropriately enough called "In and Out". Finally got home and passed out cold.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2151040]What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.[/QUOTE]Very carefully my friend. Best advice I can give you is to make sure that no matter what your daily routines do not change. Change in behavior, grooming and dressing will make the wife wonder what is going on. It takes more work than you can imagine to keep the wife from finding out what you are doing. Pay cash for everything and make sure you immediately throw away the receipts. Never leave any kind of a paper trail. I could go on and on. I suggest you take the time to read thru this thread. You will pick up much very valuable advice.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2151040]What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.[/QUOTE]Pay for everything in cash.

Get a separate no name cell for SB communication.

That cell never comes into your home.

SB never gets your real name.

Lie as little as possible to the wife but when you do, keep it consistent.

Don't catch feelings and don't let the SB change the way you do things-the wife will notice and wonder.

High-five ✋.

Fistbump 👊.

I have had no SB insist after the second date (if they made it that far) but I have a vasectomy so no risk. I prefer the SB is not on birth control as if she is I assume she is BB for every Tom, Dick and Harry. But maybe I am just naïve. But for the third hole I always use one. That could get me busted at home!

[QUOTE=Latex;2150589]New to the Sugar Bowl, I have made it to FC twice now.

Maybe due to my age (college in the late 80's) which was when the AIDS crisis started I always to wear protection.

I was surprised with my 2 trips to the FC the SBs made protection optional! Has the propaganda not reached earlier generations?

Curious to know how many SDs do helmet free in the Sugar Bowl.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Latex;2150585]Even though I have been reading though the posts on the forum, there is no substitute for experience.

I had my first Nando 1 encounter and unfortunately was thinking with my little head.

I exchanged txt with a SB from SA, she sent me some pics a definite 9/9 19 year old, she quotes $$ and asks to meet at a coffee shop for MG.

After meeting the girl I rate her at 9/9/5/? And thinking with the little head, she suggested we go to her apt for the FC.

Long story short, ended up being a 15 min FC & she indicated that we were done final score 9/9/5/5, I caulked it up for experience.

A few days later she is texting me again wanting to meet. And promises a longer time.

Any advice?[/QUOTE]Have the talk, pay after the deed. If she is that hot looking then maybe she will loosen up and trust you more. I have a 15 minute FB and it is not bad to have a quickie on the bench, just adjust the pay accordingly. I am paying. 75 for a hit and run. It is not emotionally satisfying but I do get a load off. Tell her if she wants a short stay then you will pay less.

Bareback!! I get a good sniff 1st which rules out a lot of the bacterial infections. The big H is tough though. You pay your money and take your chances.

The SO? Don't change the routine, and establish absences even if you are not hobbying. If you have alibis you can "forget " to call her back etc. She will be used to those things. Don't fuck the SO less, don't wear cuter undies than usual or change cologne, and do not ever bring the burner phone near the house. That is what nailed me.

Hollywood, even your rejects are hot to me. My SB # 1 is OTW and is a little chunky, but rides the wild pony extremely well and never is satiated. I have to call it when I get tired.

Economy: Is bad for the girls. It is flat raining pussy. I can't afford them all and can't keep up with the current supply.

[QUOTE=FredMoore;2151407]Have the talk, pay after the deed. If she is that hot looking then maybe she will loosen up and trust you more. I have a 15 minute FB and it is not bad to have a quickie on the bench, just adjust the pay accordingly. I am paying. 75 for a hit and run. It is not emotionally satisfying but I do get a load off. Tell her if she wants a short stay then you will pay less.

Bareback!! I get a good sniff 1st which rules out a lot of the bacterial infections. The big H is tough though. You pay your money and take your chances.

The SO? Don't change the routine, and establish absences even if you are not hobbying. If you have alibis you can "forget " to call her back etc. She will be used to those things. Don't fuck the SO less, don't wear cuter undies than usual or change cologne, and do not ever bring the burner phone near the house. That is what nailed me.

Hollywood, even your rejects are hot to me. My SB # 1 is OTW and is a little chunky, but rides the wild pony extremely well and never is satiated. I have to call it when I get tired.

Economy: Is bad for the girls. It is flat raining pussy. I can't afford them all and can't keep up with the current supply.[/QUOTE]It is raining pussy. The UTR's and pros are so f-ing aggressive out here its crazy. At least they give themselves away pretty fast. I am really trying to land a new true NP regular. Not easy out here if they are a 9 or better. I only average about 1 a year for a true keeper. I have a hot prospect for tomorrow. Meaning she is hot looking. The only 2 I met so far that I was hot for didn't feel the same about me. One blew me off totally after the first date. And the other one has me on a strictly business arrangement. She is a 9+ but it's a little empty in spite of her skills and looks. She is bi for sure and claims to have a same age bf. No neediness emotionally that I can leverage. So the hunt goes on.

[QUOTE=Graham111;2151266]I have had no SB insist after the second date (if they made it that far) but I have a vasectomy so no risk. I prefer the SB is not on birth control as if she is I assume she is BB for every Tom, Dick and Harry. But maybe I am just nave. But for the third hole I always use one. That could get me busted at home![/QUOTE]Learning the ropes here. I get you had a big V so I guess you are trying to get her to trust you more?

[QUOTE=Tidad;2151195] . . . don't let the SB change the way you do things-the wife will notice and wonder.[/QUOTE]That's the hard part.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2151040]What is the best way to juggle a SB and a wife? I need some helpful advice.[/QUOTE]First and foremost, you MUST accept up front that odds are not in your favor. Having an ongoing SB is more like having a GF on the side, it comes with risks that wouldn't be there if you were just visiting massage parlors or escorts. You've got other risk factors like ongoing contact, potentially the SB's emotions flying out of hand, and other things that create a whole new dynamic. So, you have to treat having an SB as if it were any other type of mistress -- and we all know how those inevitably turn out. Do it long enough and getting caught is not a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN. You should have your strategy for dealing with the consequences already thought out and well-planned, whether that is financially planning for divorce, hiding money, or whatever you need to do.

The worst thing you can do is be in denial that you are the one guy on the planet that can get away with this without the wife knowing something is up. Women have a radar for this kind of thing that is incredible and outside the scope of male thought patterns -- their minds are just wired differently. We cannot even begin to fathom their detection mechanisms. Just like it seems that men are genetically designed to drive a car with skill most women will never understand, women are genetically designed to monitor their husband's marital fidelity in ways most men will never even be able to relate to. Even if she does not have direct proof, she will know something is up and there will be consequences of that to contend with. Do it long enough and she will have proof, and the consequences may get worse.

So, you have to accept all of this right up front. Any level of denial will only result in getting caught faster (because the denial prevents you from being as careful as you should be) and the consequences hitting harder (denial prevents us from preparing properly for when the shit hits the fan).

That being said, if you've weighed the risk / reward and decided it's still for you, do lots of research on how to cheat without getting caught (do not limit your understanding to dealing with SBs, because if you can learn to manage a full-on girlfriend on the side, you will actually be in a better position to manage most SB arrangements).

I can tell you my basic strategy, but it may not apply to your situation:

1. I only do it when my SO is out of town for extended periods of time.

2. I never contact a POT that lives within a 100 mile radius.

3. I only see an SB once, then I break it off. Don't let attachment develop.

4. Never reveal real name, or use primary phone for text / call.

5. I research each SB as early as possible and as much as possible, to understand all aspects of the risk that might be involved, and remain committed to not letting myself think with my dick.

I will talk a little bit about #5 here because its important. This is basically just about cutting loose any SB that could remotely come back to haunt you, and to know this you have to basically be like a detective / research scientist to find out things about the girl. For example, once I found a HCB that was perfect SB material -- but in talking to her, I found out that she had family that she stays with when she's not in school that was inside my danger zone radius. Think about what that means? It means that after college if she doesn't get a job right away, she might move in with her family and live / work near me. My dick and balls was saying "ah don't be paranoid, tap that sweet pussy", but my brain was saying "how will you feel if the SB situation goes south and you run into this girl at a restaurant with your SO a year later?

In the above example, the brain might seem overly paranoid, but the thing is I was married for a long time and have a high number of "been there done that" stories to tell. It's a small world. Your best bet is if you're a traveling type and can keep all your SBs very far away physically.

Figure the less BB she is doing with others the less the likelihood of a "gift" from another SD.

[QUOTE=Craps7;2151531]Learning the ropes here. I get you had a big V so I guess you are trying to get her to trust you more?[/QUOTE]