"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582672]Good point. I've switched over to Tinder as my primary source since October and I've had good success. Some consistent first time P4 P gems, along with some freebies just because I connected with some chicks that were open to something besides a 20 why / o guy who doesn't know how to push the right buttons sexually.[/QUOTE]After reading these posts about Tinder I thought I'd give it a try so I set up an account on my PC. Windows 10. I hate trying to do shit on my phone bc the keyboard is tiny. Anyway, I can't add a bio on PC. Just pictures. WTF is that? There is no option anywhere to add or edit your bio. And all I can find online is about the phone app.

Anyone have any experience with it?

Thanks and be safe!

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582672]Good point. I've switched over to Tinder as my primary source since October and I've had good success. Some consistent first time P4 P gems, along with some freebies just because I connected with some chicks that were open to something besides a 20 y/o guy who doesn't know how to push the right buttons sexually.[/QUOTE]I got banned on tinder about a year ago looking for SB's and have not been able to sign back on with a new account. Is there some way to bypass the ban? They seem to recognize the numbers I use and multiple FB accounts I try to sign back up with.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4581935]She texted me that her phone is blowing up with texts from numbers she doesn't know, she's probably going to shut down to make it stop. For the record I'm all for sharing intel on SBs but don't think it's good practice to give out their numbers to people they don't know. They are all easy to contact through SA and they can respond if they choose to. Passing out their number makes them feel like ******, ruins their delusion that they're not, and screws it up for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Come on man. She's about as close as you get to a street walker without actually walking the streets. This girl is so desperate for money she's not shutting anything down.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4582728]Come on man. She's about as close as you get to a street walker without actually walking the streets. This girl is so desperate for money she's not shutting anything down.[/QUOTE]I just think that if they wanted everyone to have their number they'd post it on STG instead of go the SB route.

[QUOTE=Scorpio22;4582703]I got banned on tinder about a year ago looking for SB's and have not been able to sign back on with a new account. Is there some way to bypass the ban? They seem to recognize the numbers I use and multiple FB accounts I try to sign back up with.[/QUOTE]Get a new burner. Do not connect it to your WiFi. Only use cell data.

Don't use any existing contact info to register the burner. Use a real address like an apartment complex.

Use a new email address. Don't use any existing contact info to register the email address.

Never use the burner for anything connected with your old / existing contact info. Never use your WiFi to connect with it.

If you do all of the above, Tinder won't link you back to your old account.

I always struggled with Tinder because of the photo part. I assumed the girls want to see what the guy looks like but maybe the SBs know what's up. That, and it's on my phone and I don't trust it to be discreet.

Maybe with TER coming back certain activity will migrate away from SA?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4582664]Nice story, So I ALWAYS go after low. Medium wage workers. I do it mostly because that's honestly where the gold is in these situations. They're fucking anyway, they probably hate their jobs and it may be their side job they're working to make ends meet so a SD giving them some side cash for what they're already doing is a win / win for them and they may be able to quit their side job.

Always carry cash. I travel frequently for work as well but I always keep some cash for coffee, lunch, etc when I'm making a play on a potential SB. The thing with waitresses is they usually get hit on frequently so I try to build a little more rapport with them by frequenting them if I'm really interested. Other things like cashiers, Walmart workers, etc. I shoot my shot right there with a card that I have for the occasion. I find a reason to engage them, make a few jokes, ask for lunch recommendations, give them compliments and then go for the kill. 3/10 I'll get at least a text and usually 1/10 it'll go beyond that one text conversation.

Also, don't think LE would even think twice about your situation. At worst, you're a creepy guy that took a shot.[/QUOTE]I have business cards with only my name and burner number and "Seeking Arrangement" on them.

When I see a prospect, I hand it to them without saying anything more about intentions. Most often, it is accompanied by a tip for waiting the table, etc.

I have good success with this method. 20% of the time I will get a text.

As for LE. These days, you can end up in jail for looking at a girl the wrong way if you are in the wrong jurisdiction. All a girl needs to do is tell a judge that she felt threatened, then you're facing a DVPO. That's why I never make a second move without acceptance of a first move. Go to the local family court and listen to some of the weak stories that end up with DVPOs. Something as simple as an unwanted phone call can get you one.

[QUOTE=GuyInTheCorner;4582887]I always struggled with Tinder because of the photo part. I assumed the girls want to see what the guy looks like but maybe the SBs know what's up. That, and it's on my phone and I don't trust it to be discreet.

Maybe with TER coming back certain activity will migrate away from SA?[/QUOTE]I use the same nondescript pic on Tinder that I use on SA and I've never had an issue and currently have about 45 chats open.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4582894]I have business cards with only my name and burner number and "Seeking Arrangement" on them.

When I see a prospect, I hand it to them without saying anything more about intentions. Most often, it is accompanied by a tip for waiting the table, etc.

I have good success with this method. 20% of the time I will get a text.

As for LE. These days, you can end up in jail for looking at a girl the wrong way if you are in the wrong jurisdiction. All a girl needs to do is tell a judge that she felt threatened, then you're facing a DVPO. That's why I never make a second move without acceptance of a first move. Go to the local family court and listen to some of the weak stories that end up with DVPOs. Something as simple as an unwanted phone call can get you one.[/QUOTE]Fair point but if that's your stance on LE then I would ditch the biz cards or at the very least take off "Seeking Arrangement". (IMO the Seeking Arrangement tag isn't necessary at all).

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4582656] I can have a new profile up and running on Tinder or Bumble within 8-10 hours again.[/QUOTE]So Tinder no longer requires FB account?

[QUOTE=BookerTNelson;4583011]Fair point but if that's your stance on LE then I would ditch the biz cards or at the very least take off "Seeking Arrangement". (IMO the Seeking Arrangement tag isn't necessary at all).[/QUOTE]I thought about putting Sugar Daddy on them, but I know that terms creeps out some girls.

Seeking Arrangement seems to convey the message but leaves some ambiguity if I was ever confronted about the card.

Like I wrote, I never make repeated contact with any female. If I give her a card and she doesn't text, she will not hear from me again.

If she posts it on social media, all they will get it a fake name and a burner number.

If she responds positively, she will learn more about me at a M&G.

But make no mistake. The second a girl says something that leaves me with the impression that she is uncomfortable, I ghost.

I have been banned on SA about 5 times. Tinder about 20. Same game but on Tinder no need to worry about a new payment type (the best part of it all).

New IP, VPN or cell data.

No need for a burner on Tinder, I use the TextNow app to register (they will give you a new number if needed about every 14 days).

New name, email and picture if possible. I never link to any social media.

When you are up and running hold back take it easy the first few days on what you write in you profile and pictures you add. Thats when you are scrutinized the most.

Easy into adding more on your profile till you find your sweet spot.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4582882]Get a new burner. Do not connect it to your WiFi. Only use cell data.

Don't use any existing contact info to register the burner. Use a real address like an apartment complex.

Use a new email address. Don't use any existing contact info to register the email address.

Never use the burner for anything connected with your old / existing contact info. Never use your WiFi to connect with it.

If you do all of the above, Tinder won't link you back to your old account.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4583148]I have been banned on SA about 5 times. Tinder about 20. Same game but on Tinder no need to worry about a new payment type (the best part of it all).

New IP, VPN or cell data.

No need for a burner on Tinder, I use the TextNow app to register (they will give you a new number if needed about every 14 days).

New name, email and picture if possible. I never link to any social media.

When you are up and running hold back take it easy the first few days on what you write in you profile and pictures you add. Thats when you are scrutinized the most.

Easy into adding more on your profile till you find your sweet spot.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info.

I didn't know about TextNow.

For sure, never use the same photo. All the sites now seem to use pic recognition to connect profiles.

I just loaded the app. Works fine but I was wondering if any users have seen any pitfalls to it? I have it logging me in via my fake Facebook account and email address. I blocked it from accessing my contact list so hope it's good to go for the long term.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4583128]I thought about putting Sugar Daddy on them, but I know that terms creeps out some girls.

Seeking Arrangement seems to convey the message but leaves some ambiguity if I was ever confronted about the card.

Like I wrote, I never make repeated contact with any female. If I give her a card and she doesn't text, she will not hear from me again.

If she posts it on social media, all they will get it a fake name and a burner number.

If she responds positively, she will learn more about me at a M&G.

But make no mistake. The second a girl says something that leaves me with the impression that she is uncomfortable, I ghost.[/QUOTE]Understood, we're very much on the same page. I just don't think the SA tag on the card is necessary but it's just personal preference.

Any one seen her? Been around since May so maybe someone has met her. We just started chatted.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/9178701a-c9f9-4a3d-8a34-7ae56b007b93[/URL]

Thanks.

Does anyone have any info on this girl called May who was on SA. Her phone number starts with a 512 area code.

This shit goes on in most dating type of social media. I live in NC, and was just recently a victim of a similar scenario. I was on one of those chat apps "meetme", something like SKOUT. Supposedly a 19 year old, started chatting with her. She wanted to switch to text. Long story short, similar scenario. First got the call from a pissed of "dad" from a blocked number, left me a message I was talking to his daughter who a minor, and wanted me to call him back to settle this. I was like, moron, how do I call you back if you called me from a blocked number and don't live the number where to call you. Couple days later, I receive a text about charges being pressed against me unless I agree to settle. Supposedly it was a sex crime detective, who is instructed to issue the arrest warrant unless I pay the family the distress fee. So I asked how much and where do I send the money. Of course it was a cashapp account and the amount was $312. So I said all the problems will be gone, and the little girl will be OK and the family will feel better if I send the money. , and the person says "yes. " so I asked for he cashapp account. Once I got that info, I texted him back "so let me get this straight. Supposedly some under age girl was allowed by her parents to set up an account on dating app, lying about her age. Sending pictures to me that I didn't ask for and somehow this is my fault. I have your phone number, name you gave me and your badge number, and the cashapp account. Before I send any money, I will run this by my attorney and see what "she" advises to do. I will request to hire the PI to little background check on this number and cashapp account, and all the info you gave me, than I'll get back to you. " The person texts me back saying "arrest warrant has been issued, good luck sir. " I said that's fine, good luck ot you as well. Guys, this is a season where these crimes increase, just like tax extortion crimes increase in April. Be smart, don't use your own phone, don't give any info or pics. These assholes pray on week and gullible, but if anything, they are the ones committing the crime. For all I knew, there was never a girl involved. It was ll setup.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4561857]Beware of PrettyLadyEmma on SA in Richmond!

I see why a lot of you guys don't give out your #.

Her profile says 19, looking for fun, blah blah blah. I messaged and she responded quickly and wanted to move to text. She texted and almost immediately sent a picture of her pussy and started in on how wet she was and wanted a picture of my cock. At this point I was done. Suspecting she's a scam or wants money for pics / vids so I just told her that I couldn't send any pics.

Then yesterday I get a call from a number I don't recognize and I answered. It was some guy asking why I had been texting his 16 yo daughter Emma. What? He went on about how he turned her phone in, her mom destroyed her laptop, they are sending her to boarding school, a bunch of crap. He didn't threaten but kinda sounded like he wanted me to pay for the phone and laptop to keep them from "going further". I politely apologized and told him I don't know what I'd do if it were my kid and ended the conversation. Haven't heard anything back.

I never had these issues before on SA but this time around it is possibly 2 underage or scammers.

Be careful![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rvaexec60;4583891]Does anyone have any info on this girl called May who was on SA. Her phone number starts with a 512 area code.[/QUOTE]Damn this girl is getting around like the flu. You are like the 7th guy asking about her. I am still waiting to see if anyone has actually closed the deal with this one LOL.

Her username is Bell234. So I now some of you have chatted with her. She is the one that comes as a pair. However, she only has her pic up and the reason for that is because her other "buddy" is an african american girl who, in my opinion, is not as attractive as the white girl. Here is a break down.

1. white girl won't have sex she will do blowjob. However, she just got her wisdom teeth out so can't for two weeks.

2. African american girl will willing to have sex but I don't think she is as cute as the other girl.

3. They come as a pair so no solos.

4. she quoted me $400 for her and $400 for her buddy - $800. For me to fuck one girl while just 'playing' with the other. What the fuck. This girl is on crack.

I don't see anyone being that stupid unless they are rich and money is no issue. Or if someone's dream is to be with an 18 year old.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420[/URL]

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;4584596]Her username is Bell234. So I now some of you have chatted with her. She is the one that comes as a pair. However, she only has her pic up and the reason for that is because her other "buddy" is an african american girl who, in my opinion, is not as attractive as the white girl. Here is a break down.

1. white girl won't have sex she will do blowjob. However, she just got her wisdom teeth out so can't for two weeks.

2. African american girl will willing to have sex but I don't think she is as cute as the other girl.

3. They come as a pair so no solos.

4. she quoted me $400 for her and $400 for her buddy - $800. For me to fuck one girl while just 'playing' with the other. What the fuck. This girl is on crack.

I don't see anyone being that stupid unless they are rich and money is no issue. Or if someone's dream is to be with an 18 year old.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/d7dcaee2-beec-4248-9291-0fd143d95420[/URL][/QUOTE]The quoted price of these girls is definitely off the chart. She starts really high but will negotiate. I'm not exactly sure what goes on with her but she goes through times when she's desperate for money. The white girl Olivia is very cute and will fuck for a reasonable amount if you're persistent. Make her a decent offer considering she's a hot 18 yo and tell her that her friend can come and you'll kick a little in for her as well. She's big into her friend being there even if she doesn't participate.

You're correct on the wisdom teeth thing. She had them removed Friday morning so her mouth is unavailable for everything.

If so, my experience twice was that she wanted a deposit prior to meeting which shut down me ever meeting her

[QUOTE=TheHobbyLobby;4584585]Damn this girl is getting around like the flu. You are like the 7th guy asking about her. I am still waiting to see if anyone has actually closed the deal with this one LOL.[/QUOTE].

Had a chance to visit her this week. She was a lot of fun. I'm not going to say anymore and please don't PM me for her number, I don't have permission to share. Actually not even sure it's still working anymore.

She shut down her SA profile (or so she said) changed her phone number, and is shutting down her burner number (may already have). Honestly surprised she saw me. Although she isn't very conveniently located unless you live on the north side, she was fun and reasonable. Hope she doesn't completely disappear.

Stay safe.

RR.

[QUOTE=RomanRich;4585124]Had a chance to visit her this week. She was a lot of fun. I'm not going to say anymore and please don't PM me for her number, I don't have permission to share. Actually not even sure it's still working anymore.

She shut down her SA profile (or so she said) changed her phone number, and is shutting down her burner number (may already have). Honestly surprised she saw me. Although she isn't very conveniently located unless you live on the north side, she was fun and reasonable. Hope she doesn't completely disappear.

Stay safe.

RR.[/QUOTE]I can be blamed as one of the ones sharing her number. She did give me permission to share her number privately, just not publicly so she can't be mad. I shared it with 4 members in the last week and she's seen 3/4 that I know of so she isn't but so upset about all these unsolicited offers coming her way 😂.

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4585261]I can be blamed as one of the ones sharing her number. She did give me permission to share her number privately, just not publicly so she can't be mad. I shared it with 4 members in the last week and she's seen 3/4 that I know of so she isn't but so upset about all these unsolicited offers coming her way.[/QUOTE]Glad I seem to have come out of it unscathed, and I always managed to see her when her kids wasn't there. Still I've found that I enjoy the SB's more with a more personal connection and when they don't have a turnstile at their door.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4583128]I thought about putting Sugar Daddy on them, but I know that terms creeps out some girls.

Seeking Arrangement seems to convey the message but leaves some ambiguity if I was ever confronted about the card.

Like I wrote, I never make repeated contact with any female. If I give her a card and she doesn't text, she will not hear from me again.

If she posts it on social media, all they will get it a fake name and a burner number.

If she responds positively, she will learn more about me at a M&G.

But make no mistake. The second a girl says something that leaves me with the impression that she is uncomfortable, I ghost.[/QUOTE]Strange. Couldn't log back into my Tinder account anymore with my Textnow number. It sends secured code, which I entered. But then I keep getting the message "oops something wrong".

Anyone else experiencing this?

[QUOTE=ItsAHobby45;4585261]I can be blamed as one of the ones sharing her number. She did give me permission to share her number privately, just not publicly so she can't be mad. I shared it with 4 members in the last week and she's seen 3/4 that I know of so she isn't but so upset about all these unsolicited offers coming her way 😂.[/QUOTE]I agree. It wasn't hard to set something up with her. Just wanted to put it out there that she's saying she doesn't like it. It was fun, I hope to repeat. Won't cry if I can't.

Stay safe.

RR.

[QUOTE=EBob1111;4585291]Glad I seem to have come out of it unscathed, and I always managed to see her when her kids wasn't there. Still I've found that I enjoy the SB's more with a more personal connection and when they don't have a turnstile at their door.[/QUOTE]Yes she's only good for an occasional pounding. She was seeing me for $75 a visit and she hosted so it was basically free pussy. She'd take in any hole that you want to put it in.

Here is a new one on me. The scmas can get pretty intricate. I messaged a sexy pot on SA who goes by Appreciat1 ve - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1ab5d6d-0ab2-410c-a5c9-0431ebd5dac8[/URL].

I found her by searching Newest so this is a very recent profile.

Sorry for the long post but here was her 1st response to my: Hey, how ya doing, yadda-yadda-yadda:

"Hello! I am good. Pretty much liked your look =) How are you? I've actually got a deal for you. My name is Ilona and my job is representing young women in Russia who would like to meet American and Canadian men. By the way, I have a few girls in Richmond and can show you them. I have been working alone as the girls representative for one and a half years, have a website with more information, verify that the men are legitimate and attest that the girls I represent are legitimate.

My fee is payable when you are in touch with the girl of your choice via messages chaperoned by me If both people want to proceed, I'll provide all contact information. My fee is $300 when both parties choose to connect.

To help you pick the girls you like, I initially provide pictures and detailed anonymous information by email or WhatsApp including age and other information that you may ask for as well. When you pick a girl, I'll forward a message directly to that girl from you and they'll decide if they want to connect. If you'd like to contact multiple girls at once, I charge an upfront fee of $400 to handle all the connections. This covers up to twenty simultaneous contacts.

All the girls I represent are beautiful, educated, intelligent and when it comes to girls that are in Russia, they have passports with necessary visas to visit you in the US or Canada. Some of these girls are looking for an opportunity to travel. Others are hoping for something more serious (long-term relationships) or just have some fun (friends with benefits, NSA). I encourage both parties to be open, up front and honest about their desires. Otherwise, the match I make won't be a good one.

If you are interested in learning more about these girls or the local ones, send me your email address or WhatsApp number and I'll forward pictures and details. Adding a picture with your information increases your chances with the girls tremendously. Almost all of the girls I work with are looking for older, kinder, more mature men.

My email is [EMAIL]ilona@ilonamatchmaker.com[/EMAIL].

Best regards, Ilona. ".

I didn't respond and about a 1/2 hour later she sent this:

"Hm. Would you like to meet local girls? =) I have a few in your area actually. If you are interested, please leave me your email I can contact you on".

I responded with my monger gmail address. It should be interesting to see what the response is.

Be safe!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4587250]Here is a new one on me. The scmas can get pretty intricate. I messaged a sexy pot on SA who goes by Appreciat1 ve - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1ab5d6d-0ab2-410c-a5c9-0431ebd5dac8[/URL].

I found her by searching Newest so this is a very recent profile.

Sorry for the long post but here was her 1st response to my: Hey, how ya doing, yadda-yadda-yadda:

"Hello! I am good. Pretty much liked your look =) How are you? I've actually got a deal for you. My name is Ilona and my job is representing young women in Russia who would like to meet American and Canadian men. By the way, I have a few girls in Richmond and can show you them. I have been working alone as the girls representative for one and a half years, have a website with more information, verify that the men are legitimate and attest that the girls I represent are legitimate.

My fee is payable when you are in touch with the girl of your choice via messages chaperoned by me If both people want to proceed, I'll provide all contact information. My fee is $300 when both parties choose to connect.

To help you pick the girls you like, I initially provide pictures and detailed anonymous information by email or WhatsApp including age and other information that you may ask for as well. When you pick a girl, I'll forward a message directly to that girl from you and they'll decide if they want to connect. If you'd like to contact multiple girls at once, I charge an upfront fee of $400 to handle all the connections. This covers up to twenty simultaneous contacts.[/QUOTE]I have received the same thing a while back and she has sent me a long list of Russian girls supposedly in local area and she will give you the contact if you pay her 300. Did not resopond again. Was contacted on SA today and same BS and told me the girls only charge 250 per the whole night!! Pretty attractive definitely a scam.

Stay prudent, don't let the little head rule you.

It probably means you've been banned. Back to square one. Change all your info and rejoin.

[QUOTE=TopGun9;4585339]Strange. Couldn't log back into my Tinder account anymore with my Textnow number. It sends secured code, which I entered. But then I keep getting the message "oops something wrong".

Anyone else experiencing this?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Newbie1961;4587301]It probably means you've been banned. Back to square one. Change all your info and rejoin.[/QUOTE]Are Tinder & Text Now related?

I use Google Voice, Text Now, Text Plus.

I deleted them for being around family for the holidays. Couldn't log back into Text Plus.

Text Plus is great because it allows you to set up an unlimited number of fake play numbers from almost any state area code & exchange in the country.

I use it to mess with an ex SB that ghosted me. Also I've been able to hook up with SBs, UTRs if I did something wrong on my first approach & got left on read.

Worked like a charm several times!

[QUOTE=FanRat;4587250]Here is a new one on me. The scmas can get pretty intricate. I messaged a sexy pot on SA who goes by Appreciat1 ve - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1ab5d6d-0ab2-410c-a5c9-0431ebd5dac8[/URL].

I found her by searching Newest so this is a very recent profile.

Sorry for the long post but here was her 1st response to my: Hey, how ya doing, yadda-yadda-yadda:

"Hello! I am good. Pretty much liked your look =) How are you? I've actually got a deal for you. My name is Ilona and my job is representing young women in Russia who would like to meet American and Canadian men. By the way, I have a few girls in Richmond and can show you them. I have been working alone as the girls representative for one and a half years, have a website with more information, verify that the men are legitimate and attest that the girls I represent are legitimate.

My fee is payable when you are in touch with the girl of your choice via messages chaperoned by me If both people want to proceed, I'll provide all contact information. My fee is $300 when both parties choose to connect.

To help you pick the girls you like, I initially provide pictures and detailed anonymous information by email or WhatsApp including age and other information that you may ask for as well. When you pick a girl, I'll forward a message directly to that girl from you and they'll decide if they want to connect. If you'd like to contact multiple girls at once, I charge an upfront fee of $400 to handle all the connections. This covers up to twenty simultaneous contacts.

All the girls I represent are beautiful, educated, intelligent and when it comes to girls that are in Russia, they have passports with necessary visas to visit you in the US or Canada. Some of these girls are looking for an opportunity to travel. Others are hoping for something more serious (long-term relationships) or just have some fun (friends with benefits, NSA). I encourage both parties to be open, up front and honest about their desires. Otherwise, the match I make won't be a good one.

If you are interested in learning more about these girls or the local ones, send me your email address or WhatsApp number and I'll forward pictures and details. Adding a picture with your information increases your chances with the girls tremendously. Almost all of the girls I work with are looking for older, kinder, more mature men.

My email is [EMAIL]ilona@ilonamatchmaker.com[/EMAIL].

Best regards, Ilona. ".

I didn't respond and about a 1/2 hour later she sent this:

"Hm. Would you like to meet local girls? =) I have a few in your area actually. If you are interested, please leave me your email I can contact you on".

I responded with my monger gmail address. It should be interesting to see what the response is.

Be safe![/QUOTE]Sent me the same thing, word for word. I blocked her.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4587250]Here is a new one on me. The scmas can get pretty intricate. I messaged a sexy pot on SA who goes by Appreciat1 ve - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1ab5d6d-0ab2-410c-a5c9-0431ebd5dac8[/URL].

I found her by searching Newest so this is a very recent profile.

Sorry for the long post but here was her 1st response to my: Hey, how ya doing, yadda-yadda-yadda:

"Hello! I am good. Pretty much liked your look =) How are you? I've actually got a deal for you. My name is Ilona and my job is representing young women in Russia who would like to meet American and Canadian men. By the way, I have a few girls in Richmond and can show you them. I have been working alone as the girls representative for one and a half years, have a website with more information, verify that the men are legitimate and attest that the girls I represent are legitimate.

My fee is payable when you are in touch with the girl of your choice via messages chaperoned by me If both people want to proceed, I'll provide all contact information. My fee is $300 when both parties choose to connect.

To help you pick the girls you like, I initially provide pictures and detailed anonymous information by email or WhatsApp including age and other information that you may ask for as well. When you pick a girl, I'll forward a message directly to that girl from you and they'll decide if they want to connect. If you'd like to contact multiple girls at once, I charge an upfront fee of $400 to handle all the connections. This covers up to twenty simultaneous contacts.

All the girls I represent are beautiful, educated, intelligent and when it comes to girls that are in Russia, they have passports with necessary visas to visit you in the US or Canada. Some of these girls are looking for an opportunity to travel. Others are hoping for something more serious (long-term relationships) or just have some fun (friends with benefits, NSA). I encourage both parties to be open, up front and honest about their desires. Otherwise, the match I make won't be a good one.[/QUOTE]$400 up front?

There are no girls.

[QUOTE=Truncated;4587473]$400 up front?

There are no girls.[/QUOTE]I got the same message. It's a automated form email. I got it within seconds of contacting 'her'. Much too quick for anyone to type it. Probably some group of guys running a scam or sex trafficking. Either way I'm staying away.

[QUOTE=FanRat;4587250]Here is a new one on me. The scmas can get pretty intricate. I messaged a sexy pot on SA who goes by Appreciat1 ve - [URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/a1ab5d6d-0ab2-410c-a5c9-0431ebd5dac8[/URL].

I found her by searching Newest so this is a very recent profile.

Sorry for the long post but here was her 1st response to my: Hey, how ya doing, yadda-yadda-yadda:

"Hello! I am good. Pretty much liked your look =) How are you? I've actually got a deal for you. My name is Ilona and my job is representing young women in Russia who would like to meet American and Canadian men. By the way, I have a few girls in Richmond and can show you them. I have been working alone as the girls representative for one and a half years, have a website with more information, verify that the men are legitimate and attest that the girls I represent are legitimate.

My fee is payable when you are in touch with the girl of your choice via messages chaperoned by me If both people want to proceed, I'll provide all contact information. My fee is $300 when both parties choose to connect.

To help you pick the girls you like, I initially provide pictures and detailed anonymous information by email or WhatsApp including age and other information that you may ask for as well. When you pick a girl, I'll forward a message directly to that girl from you and they'll decide if they want to connect. If you'd like to contact multiple girls at once, I charge an upfront fee of $400 to handle all the connections. This covers up to twenty simultaneous contacts.

All the girls I represent are beautiful, educated, intelligent and when it comes to girls that are in Russia, they have passports with necessary visas to visit you in the US or Canada. Some of these girls are looking for an opportunity to travel. Others are hoping for something more serious (long-term relationships) or just have some fun (friends with benefits, NSA). I encourage both parties to be open, up front and honest about their desires. Otherwise, the match I make won't be a good one.

If you are interested in learning more about these girls or the local ones, send me your email address or WhatsApp number and I'll forward pictures and details. Adding a picture with your information increases your chances with the girls tremendously. Almost all of the girls I work with are looking for older, kinder, more mature men.

My email is [EMAIL]ilona@ilonamatchmaker.com[/EMAIL].

Best regards, Ilona. ".

I didn't respond and about a 1/2 hour later she sent this:

"Hm. Would you like to meet local girls? =) I have a few in your area actually. If you are interested, please leave me your email I can contact you on".

I responded with my monger gmail address. It should be interesting to see what the response is.

Be safe![/QUOTE]I got the same message. I was born on a day, but it wasn't yesterday.

[QUOTE=Starkey2008;4580109]You got to do you. But keep in mind, these babies can negotiate and change their terms anytime they want. Poppins offered to host FC at her place for $350 - $375, no M&G. Aphrodite offered PPM at $300, no M&G. And I promise you, Bell will negotiate and apparently has a "blackboard" menu, LOL! She will have "sex of any kind". She has with me.
Stay Safe!
Starkey.[/QUOTE]This topic has been discussed on here for years. These girls prices are going to change depending on the guy and depending on the day. One guy said it best when he said the girls are like contractors that come and work on your house. If it's busy season and they're making money hand over fist, a plumber's going to charge you out the ass. If it's Christmas and not alot of work is coming in, they'll give you a deal. It's the same with these girls. It also has to do with how they feel that day. If they had to screw 6 guys at 200/ each to pay their 1200/ mo rent that week, their pussies could be hurting physically and then their price goes up for the next guy. And most of all, if she can't stand dealing with you, your quote is always going to be higher. Don't rely on the figures that you're getting on here. Every SD / SB is different with each experience. The price that a girl gives you is the amount she's going to need to touch your dick, not somebody else's dick.

Anyone have info on her? She's also on Tryst. Link. Seems like a straight up pro to me. Quoted me 300 incall and 350 outcall.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50c182c2-6bd2-4eae-8fd2-63d830e90d93[/URL]

[QUOTE=GeechieDan;4588396]Anyone have info on her? She's also on Tryst. Link. Seems like a straight up pro to me. Quoted me 300 incall and 350 outcall.

[URL]https://www.seeking.com/member/50c182c2-6bd2-4eae-8fd2-63d830e90d93[/URL][/QUOTE]Like standard escort time, an hour or more like SB time, hang for two hours or more, MSOG?

That's really my preference. I'm looking for a cost per hour ratio of $100 an hour or less. Had a LTSB that stayed 3-8 hours, always during the day because she had a live in BF. 2 1/2 years with her. Legit dime piece! 23 when I met her.

Lists her body type as skinny, pics look like average. I’m a spinner kind of a guy.

Can anyone that has sampled her clarify?

[QUOTE=DCSeeker;4588353]This topic has been discussed on here for years. These girls prices are going to change depending on the guy and depending on the day. One guy said it best when he said the girls are like contractors that come and work on your house. If it's busy season and they're making money hand over fist, a plumber's going to charge you out the ass. If it's Christmas and not alot of work is coming in, they'll give you a deal. It's the same with these girls. It also has to do with how they feel that day. If they had to screw 6 guys at 200/ each to pay their 1200/ mo rent that week, their pussies could be hurting physically and then their price goes up for the next guy. And most of all, if she can't stand dealing with you, your quote is always going to be higher. Don't rely on the figures that you're getting on here. Every SD / SB is different with each experience. The price that a girl gives you is the amount she's going to need to touch your dick, not somebody else's dick.[/QUOTE]Good post.

Everyone on here is comparing apples to oranges. No two of us look alike, smell alike, or have the same personalities. Nor do we contact SBs at exactly the same time.

What might cost you $$ could cost me $$ because the SB can't stand the way I dress or smell.