"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1463363]Gentlemen,

As I alluded to in my previous post, I was able to schedule a W@H (Work at Hotel) day today, with a baby visit from the nurse at lunchtime.

I got there early (after having to beg to find a place to give me a 'day rate' room & an 8:00am checkin.) Got my coffee, removed my pants (for safety) , and set up my temporary work-space for the day. I then proceeded to put my nose to the grindstone for a few hours.

She wound arriving a bit early, and it was too early for me to play due to an impending confidence call I was to chair within a few minutes. I let her into the room, and I pressed her against the wall for a passionate make-out session for a few minutes. I got my hand under her skirt & felt something Lacey and 'interesting'. This REALLY got my attention, but no I had to get to the call at hand & she would just have to wait for me.

I sat down at the desk in the room and dialed in. It's one of those hotel desks that stick out into the room where you can sit at either side of it. She went into the bathroom while I was getting ready for the call. Right as I started taking attendance on the call, she walks out of the bathroom wearing this amazing black lace matching bra & panty set. Her breasts were pushed up almost to her chin & I could see her hard nipples sticking out through the material. Her ass looked amazing in that lacey thong as she spun around to give me a good look. I was drooling at the mouth & had gone dead silent on the phone (remember now, I'm supposed to be chairing this meeting). I tried to focus back on my notes, but my bullets were not the only thing pointing if you know what I mean.

She walked over to the other side of the desk opposite me, and got down on her hands and knees and crawled under the thing to come up with her head in my lap. She pulled off my drawers and began to give me the most sensual, wet, warm BJ I have had in a long long time.

I now know why God invented the Mute button.

Honestly I have no idea how the rest of the meeting went from there. I really do hope I didn't say anything stupid (I'm sure I did) , and I have absolutely no idea what the result was. I probably agreed to some ridiculous demand from someone that will wind up costing me a ton of money and create months of work. At that point I just didn't care & I wanted the meeting to be over.

After she finished me off & I was able to get off the phone, I returned the favor for a while & then bent her over the bed to show her how naughty she was for ruining my phone call.

All in all a very memorable lunch! I am absolutely going to have to do this again.

Joe,

Congrats on closing your book with the N1 & your recent additional conquests! Glad to hear you are having a high time with the ATF. That's what life is all about my friend!

Regards,

Chi.[/QUOTE]Excellent report, Chi. It brings to mind one of the hottest BJs I ever received. The girl was giving it while *she* was on the phone with someone. I figured the party on the other end must have figured it out eventually, but maybe not.

Sorry! Cleared.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1463741]Magic,

Trying to respond but your mailbox is full.

Scott[/QUOTE]

Hilarious report. I can only hope for a similar experience. Keep them coming!

Hey all, just catchin' up with all the discussions after two weeks of intense business trips. Certainly a lot of action here lately.

I was very sorry to hear about the trials and tribulations of F Scott and Hernando. I hope all works out for them.

While I certainly understand the All Male Club attitude of some members, one of the things that attracted me to the board was Mandy's insights to the SB side of things. While a single viewpoint, I think it does add value to the discussions. I hope she keeps contributing even though I wouldn't blame her if she dropped out.

As for me, since I've been on the road, not much SB activity to report. I tried to find a date for Denver using much the same techniques laid out so well by GuyWoodson. They worked well for me twice in the past, but I started the process too late this time and nothing ever materialized.

Before I left I did have a M&G with an Indian Princess followed up a few days later with an afternoon of movies at my place. Unfortunately her monthly friend was visiting which curtailed our activities. She hasn't returned text since, so she either wasn't impressed with me or the amount of sugar I gave her. No problem here, she was beautiful, but had a few too many extra pounds to become a regular. Very nice oral to completion though.

I might have to rename Flakey if she comes through on our Friday date. She has been very reliable lately and I'm considering offering her a monthly agreement. Nice to be with and the sex is pretty good as well. Car Girl has turned into wild sex whenever she has time, which is rarely. I can't complain though because the sugar requirements are minimal.

I do have a couple of M&G this week and quite a few messages out. We'll see what develops from there.

Happy hunting everyone!

Drummer

I'm guessing none of you really care, but I've never been a big chocolate fan. I'll eat some of the semi-sweet or dark from time to time, but ever since I ate too many Hershey's kisses in one sitting in the seventh grade, I've always avoided more than the occasional bite. So I had to laugh last night when, shortly after I finished a particularly vigorous round of DATY on my sexy little black / Puerto Rican SB23, she asked if I was enjoying my chocolate buffet. I guess you could say I've been reformed.

I'm happy to report that we are starting to develop a nice rhythm. I enjoy our time together, and I think she is starting to get more comfortable with me too. The requests for additional money (always indirect) have stopped, and she seems satisfied with the arrangement we have. I don't claim to be an expert in anything, but she clearly is having fun in the FC. Last night's round two ended with a back-arching, leg cramping, near-squirting orgasm for her--one of those that is very difficult (IMHO) for a girl to fake. We went out to a late dinner after and are already making plans for next week.

A big plus: This girl apparently enjoys giving oral as much as receiving, something that ATF never really excelled at. That's not to say ATF is in any danger of being replaced (she has other skills as yet undiscovered during my time with SB23), but SB23 could be giving her a run for her money. It's unfortunate that I don't have the time or finances to maintain a long-term relationship with both, so I'll have to choose soon, unless something changes.

Here's to hoping others are enjoying similar successes.

Regards,

Joe

Sounds incredible Joe. Spice in life is all about variety. And Variety is all about sampling all those delicious flavors out there in the world!

Turning Flakey into Stable is fantastic as well Drummer!

It sounds like you guys really have something great going into the summer. I'm happy it's working out so well for you. Please keep us posted!

Well, I had 3 dates so far and all were wonderful with my SB. Finally, a good entry though travel is painful to see her. So trying to see if something can be within less than hour. So fishing is on.

But about fair play.

I almost think this should be legal to look for SB if one is not getting enough of play time. In my case, my wife turns me off whenever we want to have good time. I get may be once a week (if I am lucky). But even after discussions with her, she is not willing to think about man's need. I guess, reasons like I am tired, I slept early, didn't think about this, don't want today! Anyway. May be that is why I am looking for SB and it is fair?

I had been making arrangements with a HYB on SA this week, and she really had me going for a while. I was head over heels for her & ready to drive a few hours away from town to meet up with her.

I finally wound up doing a reverse image search on some of the pics she sent to me and was able to locate her real name, her facebook, twitter page etc.

Anyway, I was able to debunk her entire story, and found out she lives in Canada, and not even where she was claiming to be. She may have been either getting ready to start asking me to front her money, or she could have just been getting her jollies off having me drive cross country for a no-show meeting.

Either way, you guys should familiarize yourself with these tools, they were very helpful in my case.

[url]http://www.tineye.com/[/url]

[url]http://www.google.com/imghp[/url] <I've had better luck with this one.

You basically just upload your image & it returns results of where else those images are found on the internet.

Be safe!

-Chi

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606;1466098]You basically just upload your image & it returns results of where else those images are found on the internet.[/QUOTE]Fantastic tip, thank you!

Mandy

Okay forum. How do you handle this one???

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo

[QUOTE=Bondo500; 1466353]Okay forum. How do you handle this one?

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo[/QUOTE]My Man!

I'd make and inquiry to see if there were any serious pending expenses. Let her know that you would have to make a special trip just to get some sugar to her. Let her know that there are other ways to take care of you. If she refuses, then she did not need the sugar.

Have her give you some head in the car or other discreet place. Make sure your put your hand firmly behind her head and thrust deep into her throat when you are about to cum. Don't worry about he gaging noises and the tears, she'll get over it. If she gets upset afterwards, claim you just lost yourself in the moment. If she is not smiling then maybe that will provide incentive to her to either improve her money management skills or to work on her deep throat technique. If she is smiling, then you just discovered a new natural ability. Either way, slip her the needed sugar. Be on your way.

This is a prime example of a mutually beneficial relationship. You have satisfied her need. And you have established a quickie mode of operation for any future testicular emergencies that you may have. Or additional impromptu sugar requests that she may have.

Chief of the boat prepare to dive!

SubCmdr Our. Running silent, running deep

I enjoy reading about the different SB types that we all seem to have run across, but the ones that seem the most interesting to me are the Nando1s. I agree that they are a dangerous breed, and I do try to steer clear, but some are not as obvious as others when you first meet them, then POW, they seem to turn on you and turn from sweet to wacky in minutes.

Since I seriously started into this version of the hobby back in Feb, I have probably met personally with 12 potentials, been to the FC with 7 of them, and am still in touch with 5 on an irregular basis. 2 of the 4 that I am still in contact with fall marginally into the Nando1 category. These 2 both have some means of employment, but rely on sugar for part of their daily needs. Both are over an hour drive for me and both hit me up this week for an "advance" on their allowance. This is the first time request of this type from either of them, but I thought it interesting that I get 2 requests out of the blue in the same week.

Of course, neither of them got the money they were looking for, but I did find it hard to come up with any real reason for not coming to the rescue. Both know that I have the resources to help them out. One needed money to stay the night in a hotel (I'm pretty sure she is in an abusive relationship) , and the other just got kicked out of her parents house (she is 21 and jobless right now).

Without the advice from this board, I might have caved and sent cash to both of them. Who knows where that would have led.

The other 3 SBs that I keep in the stable are all pretty well grounded with either a decent job or living the college life, so I have enough backup talent (for now anyway) in case any one goes "down for maintenance" (I love that term. Hadn't heard that one before). So life is still good.

Keep up the great posts.

Alias

[QUOTE=Bondo500; 1466353]Okay forum. How do you handle this one?

I am early with an SB. No monthly allowance yet, pay as you go as only one date so far. So date #2 she texts me in the afternoon "I am down for maintenance, how do you want to proceed". Not a nando 1 but likely the extra money is helpful which I understand. Do you:

1) Still provide full allowance for reduced or no service rendered.

2) Prorate allowance or.

3) Cancel appointment.

Curious how this works. LTF is different but what's the strategy? Let me know.

Bondo[/QUOTE]As the Cmdr says, there are other ways for her to ensure you are satisfied. I might approach it a little differently than he, but he illustrates the different point. I would not provide full allowance for a date where NO service is rendered. The SB knows the drill; allowance for sexual attention. So, have a talk with her and find out just how much she needs the allowance. If she's not desperate, then maybe you take a week off. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as they say. Or, if she does need the cash, talk about what you'd like to do with her. Make it a fun, sexy, and / or flirty conversation. Then, suggest allowance accordingly.

So I had a very nice M&G a couple of days ago with a very nice, attractive 25yo college student. We hit it off really well. Early on in the conversation she did mention that she has two kids. I have always appreciated SBs that have put in their profile if they had kids or not. I also have generally avoided those profiles. I guess I figured kids mean potential for both scheduling problems as well as additional drama to the relationship. I really liked this woman and we did decide to meet this week to see if we have a physical match. I'm obviously looking forward to that! My question for the group is,"Do kids matter to you?"

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Drummer

I personally am ok with kids, but then again I have kids myself so I am less freaked out I guess.

It also gives us something in common to talk about which is nice.

[QUOTE=Atldrummer; 1466810]So I had a very nice M&G a couple of days ago with a very nice, attractive 25yo college student. We hit it off really well. Early on in the conversation she did mention that she has two kids. I have always appreciated SBs that have put in their profile if they had kids or not. I also have generally avoided those profiles. I guess I figured kids mean potential for both scheduling problems as well as additional drama to the relationship. I really liked this woman and we did decide to meet this week to see if we have a physical match. I'm obviously looking forward to that! My question for the group is,"Do kids matter to you?"

Thanks in advance for your responses.

Drummer[/QUOTE]You are correct that kids have the potential to cause scheduling issues. My ATF has multiple kids, including one who is too young for school, so we're always working around the times when she has the kids. That said, she is willing to get a sitter from time to time and has never asked me to pay for that.

As far as drama, there's often the potential for that, especially if the estranged baby-daddy is in the picture. So far, that hasn't been too much of a problem for me, though. Knock on wood.

I say if you like the girl and think she has potential, give her a try for a while, kids or not. I'm interested to hear other perspectives, though.

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1467007]You are correct that kids have the potential to cause scheduling issues. My ATF has multiple kids, including one who is too young for school, so we're always working around the times when she has the kids. That said, she is willing to get a sitter from time to time and has never asked me to pay for that.

As far as drama, there's often the potential for that, especially if the estranged baby-daddy is in the picture. So far, that hasn't been too much of a problem for me, though. Knock on wood.

I say if you like the girl and think she has potential, give her a try for a while, kids or not. I'm interested to hear other perspectives, though.[/QUOTE]When discussing scheduling she did say she had an armada of baby sitters ready on call as long as I gave her advanced not.

Notice.

Personally I do not care but it does tend to make scheduling more of a problem. Can they stay out late (I prefer overnites) , certain times are out, etc. But it would not stop me from dating a woman.

I'm in the NoVA area but decided to post this here because I've been so inspired by this thread and the great work you guys are doing in the UTR SB scene. We don't have much if any active discussion up our way.

About a month ago I had a need to use a commercial laundromat to wash some big-ass stuff that wouldn't fit in my little apartment machines. I picked one at random in my neighborhood. To my pleasant surprise, the customer demographic was at least 95% female and at least 95% latino and mostly on the younger side of 35.

While waiting for my stuff, I sat and watched them folding piles of stuff from the dryers and noticed several piles which did contain kids clothes, did not contain any mens clothing and were being folded by woman not wearing rings.

I scared the first one off with a little bit too much of a pervy approach. I settled down and got my lines straight. The jist of what finally worked for me (after going back on separate occasions and to different laundromats) :

- I remember when my kids were that age.

- Mine are all grown up now. I miss them. I'm all alone now and very lonely.

- How old are yours?

- I was a single father who raised two boys. I know how tearably expensive that can be.

- I wish there was some way I could help you out.

Lots of other stuff mixed in to get past the language barrier but those are the key points of the progression that makes them understand the opportunity without running for the door.

- Offer to help carry baskets out as an opportunity to get their phone number without their friends watching them.

So far, I've got two phone numbers. Progressed only one so far to a car date with BBBJ for. 35. Supposed to meet again soon.

Why oh why did I take French in High School instead of Spanish. Oh, I remember, the French teacher was the 30 year old with the DD and tight tops. Damn.

When is the best fishing time on SA. Well I have had the best results by focussing on time on SA for the fish.

The first group, which usually gives great results, are the ones who have been on for a while now, a few weeks to a few months. By that time they have become reasonable, they don't have GPS syndrome (Golden Pussy Syndrome) (Look below for a quick story) , and they have had enough unsuccessful m&g to know what to do.

The second group is the very new ones, They are usually inundated with emails, but by keeping it very low key, they bite quicker than by being very direct. They are a bit shy, so with a bit of coaxing you can be the first one to have them nibble on the hook. They have not been spied by the males who are 'zillionaires' in 'Ferrari's"

A quick GPS story. Had a m&g, all went well and she wanted to go to the casino, after the m&g. I was game till she mentioned she expected to be able to play with $25, 000 of my money, because she always won. Mmmm always winning, yet you need my $ We left the Starbucks. 1/2 mile down the road I mentioned I had to pic up something from the big department store, she waited in the car, I bought a monopoly game, took all the $ out, and went back to the car. I smiled when I handed her the $ and said here is your $$. She got furious and stepped out.

Back to the 'euro-crisis'

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1468125]When is the best fishing time on SA. Well I have had the best results by focussing on time on SA for the fish.

The first group, which usually gives great results, are the ones who have been on for a while now, a few weeks to a few months. By that time they have become reasonable, they don't have GPS syndrome (Golden Pussy Syndrome) (Look below for a quick story) , and they have had enough unsuccessful m&g to know what to do.

The second group is the very new ones, They are usually inundated with emails, but by keeping it very low key, they bite quicker than by being very direct. They are a bit shy, so with a bit of coaxing you can be the first one to have them nibble on the hook. They have not been spied by the males who are 'zillionaires' in 'Ferrari's"

A quick GPS story. Had a m&g, all went well and she wanted to go to the casino, after the m&g. I was game till she mentioned she expected to be able to play with $25, 000 of my money, because she always won. Mmmm always winning, yet you need my $ We left the Starbucks. 1/2 mile down the road I mentioned I had to pic up something from the big department store, she waited in the car, I bought a monopoly game, took all the $ out, and went back to the car. I smiled when I handed her the $ and said here is your $$. She got furious and stepped out.

Back to the 'euro-crisis'[/QUOTE]Euro: you are right on money. I concur with the observation though I am new. But did see the two groups exists. First group (experienced) are very direct and know what they want. Second (newbie) are very difficult. I felt like I am just doing communications and luncheons. U dud good on your GPS. Learned a new trick.

I agree. The fresh accounts you have to coax out of their shells. See my earlier missive on this while traveling.

The second older profiles come in two types. Roughly. LOL.

1. Sb who got spoiled with rich sd in the past and is not interested in me at all.

2. Sb who has had some success, but is now down on luck and in a dry spell. Sometimes it pays to send messages to girls that look as if they are players, but who have not logged on a while. Create a nice message, then use copy and paste to send it out to all that might look interesting. Always change the first sentence to personalize it to their profile, I. E. Mention something they say in their profile so they think the entire message is JUST for them. LOL.

I have gotten two like this. I get a reply weeks later!

It's a numbers game, the more hooks you put out there, the more bites you will get. How good you are at landing them is what counts. But that is why there are fishing competitions. Right?

Have fun,

GW.

[QUOTE=EuroInCincy; 1468125]When is the best fishing time on SA. Well I have had the best results by focussing on time on SA for the fish.

The first group, which usually gives great results, are the ones who have been on for a while now, a few weeks to a few months. By that time they have become reasonable, they don't have GPS syndrome (Golden Pussy Syndrome) (Look below for a quick story) , and they have had enough unsuccessful m&g to know what to do.

The second group is the very new ones, They are usually inundated with emails, but by keeping it very low key, they bite quicker than by being very direct. They are a bit shy, so with a bit of coaxing you can be the first one to have them nibble on the hook. They have not been spied by the males who are 'zillionaires' in 'Ferrari's"

A quick GPS story. Had a m&g, all went well and she wanted to go to the casino, after the m&g. I was game till she mentioned she expected to be able to play with $25, 000 of my money, because she always won. Mmmm always winning, yet you need my $ We left the Starbucks. 1/2 mile down the road I mentioned I had to pic up something from the big department store, she waited in the car, I bought a monopoly game, took all the $ out, and went back to the car. I smiled when I handed her the $ and said here is your $$. She got furious and stepped out.

Back to the 'euro-crisis'[/QUOTE]

Gentlemen & Lady,

If I have any sexual contact for the next 10 days, it will be a very very bad thing!

I am about to embark on a 1000 mile road-trip due north into the wilds of Northern Ontario with my Father, Uncle and Cousin for a week's long Walleye / Pike fishing and Bourbon tasting extravaganza.

We are bringing the boat and literally heading as far north as you can possibly drive until the ice roads come it. It should be a fantastic trip, and I am looking forward to the midnight sun during the coming solstice. I've never experienced that before.

However if any sexual contact does occur with me. It would have been from either:

-A male family member.

-A Sasquatch.

-A female northern Ontarian (who tend to strongly resemble Sasquatch)

Frankly, I think my heads can use a about of celibacy for a few days to regroup and re-evaluate things. This should be refreshing.

Good luck to you all on your continuing adventures. And be safe!

-Chi

[QUOTE=ChiGuy606; 1471831]A week's long Walleye / Pike fishing and Bourbon tasting extravaganza.

We are bringing the boat and literally heading as far north as you can possibly drive until the ice roads come in.

-Chi[/QUOTE]God, that sounds like heaven! Have a great time, and don't worry about the Chicago babies. I'll do my best to keep an eye on every last one of them!

"Oh I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok."

Scott

[QUOTE=Ycwinva; 1467767]Lots of other stuff mixed in to get past the language barrier but those are the key points of the progression that makes them understand the opportunity without running for the door.

- Offer to help carry baskets out as an opportunity to get their phone number without their friends watching them.

So far, I've got two phone numbers. Progressed only one so far to a car date with BBBJ for. 35. Supposed to meet again soon.[/QUOTE]Sweet; great and very creative approach there Ycw. In that demographic you are apt to find many who need some help, and who better to help them out than a generous older gent with some loose foldin money in his pocket. Hopefully one of these events will develop into something that resembles a keeper for you. You go dude.

Gentlemen,

I have been laying low this past month, comparatively, nursing my wounded heart (more on that later) and basically whining and crying to my sugar friends about getting dumped by my ATF after 9 blissful months.

In an effort to put the past behind me, I have tentatively started casting to some little fish, and have hit on an approach that brought outstanding results yesterday, and is keeping me hopping today.

In addition to giving them my sugar email address in my initial contact message, I have started to include my play phone, in case they want to text, and it has proved to be a great way to get the ball rolling, especially with the younger babies.

Case in point: I was contacted yesterday morning on SA by an 18yo baby who lived west of the city in a little town on the Fox (?) river. Pics show a hot, young, slightly goth baby, who describes herself as a nerd. Exactly my kind of fish! I shoot her my basic intro message, but include my cell # on a last-second hunch. Practically before I could hit "send" I get a text from her, all young and cute sounding with "u" for "you" and so on. We text back and forth for an hour or so, at which point I suggest we meet that evening for drinks and, if things go well, dinner. My SO is out of town until tomorrow evening, so I am feeling good about things in general, and this little baby in particular.

Long story short, she agrees to the plan, we text a little more, and I finish my day, hit the gym for an hour or so, shower up and head out, feeling really happy about this new approach. I pull up in front of her house, text again that I'm there, and a few seconds later out comes this hot, hot little baby. 5'2", with a monstrous rack! Yahoo, I say to myself, this will be fun to look at if nothing else. She gets in the car, very adorably admitting that she is feeling a little shy at the moment, and we head off to an Irish pub I googled with an outdoor patio that overlooks the river. The day, which had been really hot, had cooled off beautifully, and the sun was just setting as we sat down. The meal was great, the conversation was good, and I could tell she was warming up to the whole idea and yours truly in particular. We walk back to my car, and immediately start the most intense make-out session I have participated in for quite a while. People were staring at us on the street, so I suggest we go back to her house and park for a while longer.

Let me back up and say that she has made it clear that she is not going to fuck me on the first date. This is, in fact, the first sugar experience she has had, and I am the first guy that she's gone out with, so I am not pressing anything at the moment, with hopes of much more to come.

We pull up to her street, get in the back seat, and resume our make-out session. After about 30 minutes of this, she asks if I like oral."Why most certainly", I reply, to which she lies back, lifts up her very short skirt, and pulls her panties aside. Sensing what she is wanting, I apply my Super Secret Speed Orgasm technique, and a short time later she is clawing at my head, pushing her hips into my face, crying out and sighing; all good things. After she catches her breath, she asks if she can return the favor."Why most certainly", I reply. The girl has skills, my brothers, for such a young little fish. After I catch my breath, we make out and cuddle for a few more minutes, I walk her to her door, kiss goodnight, and am off into the soft darkness. Start to finish, less than 12 hours, all due, I am convinced, to texting. You got to know the language if you want to talk to the natives, in this case, young, young babies. I am currently texting with two other babies as I write this, so this may be my new preferred method of fishing. Take it and run with it my friends, if you have not done so already.

In the world of Ironies of All Ironies, when I turn my phone on this morning, I get a text from ATF, asking if I'd like to have breakfast with her on Monday and check out the new place, and in particular the bedroom. Yahoo for me, I think - I don't want to lose her, but I can't get hurt again. I am going to try and keep what little emotional distance I have at this point and see how I feel Monday night.

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and let's get to posting, shall we.

Scott

Damn Scottie if you don't have a way with words! Your post almost made me feel like I was right there in the car with you watching her "pull her panties aside". It's good to see you posting again and getting back in the game.

The txting suggestion is a good one. I usually give my hobby email out as part of the first contact message anyway. Why not go the next step and give the SB potential another easy option. Hell, txt has almost made email obsolete as it is so it only makes sense to hand your number out early and often to increase the odds. What I have found is that sometimes emails go unanswered for weeks with these young SBs. They are much more inclined to send a quick txt message.

Good luck with the ATF meeting.

Alias.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1472880]Gentlemen,

I have been laying low this past month, comparatively, nursing my wounded heart (more on that later) and basically whining and crying to my sugar friends about getting dumped by my ATF after 9 blissful months.

In an effort to put the past behind me, I have tentatively started casting to some little fish, and have hit on an approach that brought outstanding results yesterday, and is keeping me hopping today.

In addition to giving them my sugar email address in my initial contact message, I have started to include my play phone, in case they want to text, and it has proved to be a great way to get the ball rolling, especially with the younger babies.

Case in point: I was contacted yesterday morning on SA by an 18yo baby who lived west of the city in a little town on the Fox (?) river. Pics show a hot, young, slightly goth baby, who describes herself as a nerd. Exactly my kind of fish! I shoot her my basic intro message, but include my cell # on a last-second hunch. Practically before I could hit "send" I get a text from her, all young and cute sounding with "you" for "you" and so on. We text back and forth for an hour or so, at which point I suggest we meet that evening for drinks and, if things go well, dinner. My SO is out of town until tomorrow evening, so I am feeling good about things in general, and this little baby in particular.

Long story short, she agrees to the plan, we text a little more, and I finish my day, hit the gym for an hour or so, shower up and head out, feeling really happy about this new approach. I pull up in front of her house, text again that I'm there, and a few seconds later out comes this hot, hot little baby. 5'2", with a monstrous rack! Yahoo, I say to myself, this will be fun to look at if nothing else. She gets in the car, very adorably admitting that she is feeling a little shy at the moment, and we head off to an Irish pub I googled with an outdoor patio that overlooks the river. The day, which had been really hot, had cooled off beautifully, and the sun was just setting as we sat down. The meal was great, the conversation was good, and I could tell she was warming up to the whole idea and yours truly in particular. We walk back to my car, and immediately start the most intense make-out session I have participated in for quite a while. People were staring at us on the street, so I suggest we go back to her house and park for a while longer.

Let me back up and say that she has made it clear that she is not going to fuck me on the first date. This is, in fact, the first sugar experience she has had, and I am the first guy that she's gone out with, so I am not pressing anything at the moment, with hopes of much more to come.

We pull up to her street, get in the back seat, and resume our make-out session. After about 30 minutes of this, she asks if I like oral."Why most certainly", I reply, to which she lies back, lifts up her very short skirt, and pulls her panties aside. Sensing what she is wanting, I apply my Super Secret Speed Orgasm technique, and a short time later she is clawing at my head, pushing her hips into my face, crying out and sighing; all good things. After she catches her breath, she asks if she can return the favor."Why most certainly", I reply. The girl has skills, my brothers, for such a young little fish. After I catch my breath, we make out and cuddle for a few more minutes, I walk her to her door, kiss goodnight, and am off into the soft darkness. Start to finish, less than 12 hours, all due, I am convinced, to texting. You got to know the language if you want to talk to the natives, in this case, young, young babies. I am currently texting with two other babies as I write this, so this may be my new preferred method of fishing. Take it and run with it my friends, if you have not done so already.

In the world of Ironies of All Ironies, when I turn my phone on this morning, I get a text from ATF, asking if I'd like to have breakfast with her on Monday and check out the new place, and in particular the bedroom. Yahoo for me, I think. I don't want to lose her, but I can't get hurt again. I am going to try and keep what little emotional distance I have at this point and see how I feel Monday night.

Keep up the good work, my brothers, and let's get to posting, shall we.

Scott[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AliasSM; 1473173]The txting suggestion is a good one. I usually give my hobby email out as part of the first contact message anyway. Why not go the next step and give the SB potential another easy option. They are much more inclined to send a quick txt message.

Alias.[/QUOTE]Don't know why I haven't been doing this all along! It does burn up the minutes on my pay-as-you-go phone however. Anyone know of a solution that still maintains absolute anonymity? At least my phone somehow came with a double-minutes bonus, so a 60 minute card actually nets me 120. Occasionally I do something smart! I will say that I am using "LOL" and emoticons a lot more than I ever thought I would at my advanced age. As I said, if you want to talk to the natives, you need to know the language (LOL).

As for my ATF, I am cautiously looking forward to tomorrow. I have so incredibly missed her body, and her sweet face, and her slightly goofy laugh, and her short blonde hair, and the way her eyes crinkle up when she smiles, and how I love her smell, and her skin, and just how incredibly comfortable we are together - and well, as you all tediously know, everything. It will take all my strength to stay in the moment, and not go back to thinking that it's the way it was. Damage has been done. But on the other hand I think "so what?"

Two M&Gs scheduled for next week, one with a married baby, which I have to confess I find incredibly erotic, but a disappointing walk-by with a follow up "no thanks", from a baby today. She wasn't as hot as [I]her[/I] photo looked either - LOL. (Sorry)

Polo has been quietly inquiring if I have lost interest (not) but I feel like I need to solve this ATF issue once and for all before I can fully commit to the next phase of my Sugar Life, which will be filling the creel with sweet little fish as fast as I can.

Happy Father's Day,

Scott

My brothers,

I am about to head out to see my ATF after more than a month of comparative radio silence, and no meet-ups, casual or otherwise. I have a bad feeling that I am going to learn something that I don't want to learn, whether it is that she wants to break it off, or the magic is gone for me. I am seriously contemplating cancelling, but I won't.

Think good thoughts for me: that what needs to happen will happen.

We shall see,

Scott

Unless it really, really fucking sucks!

It's over, my friends. I knew it the minute I saw her face. A guy her age that was in her circle of friends has suddenly become significant, and she wants to see where it will go. She says she also wants to keep me in her life, but I think that was just being nice. We shall see.

I am strangely calm, but it may just be shock. Can't process much more than this at the moment.

Scott

Yes after 6 weeks my ATF says let's get together. So I travel to see her and. She has a "commited relationship" but wants to keep seeing each other on the sly. Assuming I buy her a car. And he keeps calling every few hours as looks like he is a control freak. No can do. This is the guy who convinced her I was the anti-christ because I am married. What a strange world. Hurt yes but hanging on would hurt more. Oh well. More fishies in the sea.

Scott, you know I feel your pain. I know it's just a matter of time until I hear those same words. At least she had the guts to tell you to your face instead of doing the young 'uns chicken shit thing of just deleting you from her contact list. You have been preparing for this so just absorb the grief until the anger kicks in. I'm guessing it won't take as long as you think. Speaking for others, we feel for you my friend as we're just a phone call / text / email away from being there ourselves.

[QUOTE=F Scott; 1474145]Unless it really, really fucking sucks!

It's over, my friends. I knew it the minute I saw her face. A guy her age that was in her circle of friends has suddenly become significant, and she wants to see where it will go. She says she also wants to keep me in her life, but I think that was just being nice. We shall see.

I am strangely calm, but it may just be shock. Can't process much more than this at the moment.

Scott[/QUOTE]My condolences, Scott. As Magic said, at least she was kind enough to do it face to face, though I realize that doesn't really make it suck any less. I, too, am struggling with some distance (both emotional and physical) issues with my ATF, and it isn't any fun at all.

But I can say this: She might not be "just being nice." If she feels for you even a fraction of what you feel for her, you can bet you will be one of her first calls if / when the new guy becomes old news. I urge you to be open to that possibility, because being the guy who's always there for her definitely has its perks.

[QUOTE=Magic Rat;1474160]At least she had the guts to tell you to your face instead of doing the young 'uns chicken shit thing of just deleting you from her contact list. Speaking for others, we feel for you my friend as we're just a phone call / text / email away from being there ourselves.[/QUOTE]Magic,

Thank you for your support, public and private. I really did appreciate her having the grace to tell me in person, and I told her so. It is offering me a sense of closure that I did not have before, and something to think about, in hindsight, that is helpful in the healing process. Maybe this guy will turn out to be a douche, (75% likely) and we will be on again in a month or so; maybe not. In any case, I am proud of how I handled things, and appreciative of how she handled things, so now it's just a question for me of healing my wounds. It was nine great months, which Mandy tells us is two more than I should have expected, so I count myself lucky.

I am looking forward to laying low for a bit; Polo and my British baby have suddenly lost their luster, and my 18 yo goth seems childish to me now. I'm sure things will change; nothing is constant but change, so they say, but for a bit I am looking forward to floating along, and not rowing so hard.

Peace, my friends. There is a bottle of pinot that is calling to me, and I am frankly unable to resist at this moment.

Yours,

Scott

Scott,

Sorry to hear about your ATF but as much as it hurts now let her have her space and keep the lines of communication open for the future. If the time comes where she wants to get physical again I wouldn't let it get serious again just make it a friends with benefits relationship. You can trust each other it seems and this would give you some fun with someone you are attracted and can trust at the same time. Sometimes that is hard to find.

Fix

Magic, Droo, Fix, Drummer, Joe, Nando, Sub, JoyD, Mandy and all my other brothers who have chimed in to offer their words of support - THANK YOU!

I had a really good day today, and am in a really great head space. Each of you contributed something to helping me get there, so, though I hope the time never comes for you, please let me repay you by being your sounding board should life in The Bowl get just a little too intense.

Once again, I feel the need to lay low for a bit, (am I bi-polar?) but I will continue to enjoy your exploits. I never expected to fall so fucking hard for my ATF, but all in all, I would not trade what we had for a lessening of the heartache I have felt. It took me four months to find her, so when I am back to full game again, I won't try to make every shiny new baby into her. No matter what happens with us in the future, no one can take away the thing we had, and the really fantastic memories I will take with me to the Old Folks Home.

Signing off before I start quoting Barry Manilow,

Scott

I still maintain that this is the best sub-forum on USASG, so I feel a little guilty for being absent lately. But something happened this week that I must report, as I know we have discussed it in general terms before, and the specifics of my situation may help other gents in their SB pursuits.

With the warm Midwestern summer upon us, I've frankly found myself more interested in pursuits other than SBs. Golf, swimming, jogging, and other outdoor activities are high on my priority list right now, and work is absolutely killing me. Plus, I have incurred some unexpected expenses at home. So taking even one or two evenings a week to visit the FC is a challenge. I therefore decided I needed to adjust my approximately six-week-old arrangement with SB23. I decided to call her, hoping that she would suggest a less-frequent, less-allowance arrangement, but I suspected she would demur and bow out altogether. Well, that's more or less what she did. She suggested one last two-week allowance for two final meetings, after which we will move on. I knew paying upfront for two "final" meetings was risky, but I also knew that (1) she would have to show to meeting #1 to collect, and (2) even if she bolted on meeting #2, I'd at least be done. I like the girl, so I basically decided why not roll the dice on two more quality fucks.

We met last week for final #1. The sex was good, and she was enthusiastic and creative, but honestly, my heart just wasn't into it. But that is neither here nor there. It was what occurred after that is important.

While I was getting dressed to leave, I texted the landlord to let her know that I would be "leaving work" momentarily. She confirmed my ETA in response. I'm putting on my shoes, and I look over at the bed, and SB23 has crawled in. I must have given her a quizzical look, because she replied that she was feeling nauseated and needed to rest a few minutes. Alarm bells went off immediately. I was screwed. I was due home by a certain time (although traffic can be unpredictable, especially with the construction going on), and SB23 was basically refusing to leave. She said she wasn't sure what the problem was, but that I could go and she would leave a few minutes after me, when she felt better. Um, hell no. Does anyone else see her potential endgame here?

I figured she wanted me to leave so she could use the hotel TV system to look up my "guest folio" and figure out my real name. Now, maybe she did have an upset stomach, but what better way for an enterprising young baby to keep the cash coming in--when she's been told it's going to dry up--than to find out my real name to set up a blackmail scheme? Someone please tell me I'm crazy or overreacting, but I need to be cautious here.

In the end, she forced my hand. In the heat of the moment, I couldn't come up with another excuse to delay my ETA home, and I'm not the kind of guy to forcibly evict a SB from my room. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. So I left. I left her there. Alone. In my room, with access to my real name.

I heard from her the next day, with her thanking me for being "such a gentleman" for sitting with her for as long as I could. She said she rested maybe 30 minutes more, talked with her sister on the phone, and then left. We've made plans for our final visit next week.

Now before you all descend on me, I acknowledge what I did wrong here. And I won't repeat the mistakes. And I say all of this so that maybe someone else doesn't repeat the mistakes either. But all hope is not lost. See, I've done my homework on her, too. She doesn't know it, but I know virtually EVERYTHING about her: real name (interesting aside: she uses her real last name, but not her real first name), home address, real phone number, DL number, etc, etc, etc. I can't go into details about how I acquired this information, though it is all available. So, I have ammunition to fight back should things get ugly.

OK, now on to my question: Given all of this, do I meet with her our last time next week and play it off like nothing's wrong? For all I know, she really was feeling sick, and she never thought to check the TV. Or, she figured out my name, but was merely curious and doesn't plan to do anything with it. Or do I just cancel the meeting and call the unused allowance a parting gift?

As always, thanks for your thoughts and enjoy the beautiful weekend.

Joe

Joe,

Since you have already acknowledged that it was a bad call I'm not going to ride you for that. You have a legitimate concern about revealing intelligence on yourself. You would not have put yourself into this situation if you had of just gone 'cold turkey' on the pussy and simply never bothered to inform your SB that it was over. Sometimes is it best to have her wonder what is going on. A unexpected interruption of cash flow keeps her off balance and gives you the tactical advantage when you wish to reengage.

The real issue is all of the bad things that can happen when you leave someone else in a hotel room that has your name attached to it. The worst case scenario: A crime of ANY type occurs in the room. Now my friend you are between a rock and a hard place. Local law enforcement rolls up on you. If you give yourself up, it is on the record. If you invoke your constitutional rights, further investigation by 5-O is going drag your name through the mud. You see you name in the paper. Friends, work colleagues, and clients start looking at you funny. You are forced to have one or more uncomfortable conversations with your landlord that at best overdraws your trust account and at worse results in an eviction.

Now what I just presented is called absolute risk. Relative risk is the type you took. You were with a known quantity. You looked at all of the risk factors and decided it was a risk you were willing to take. We all make those types of decisions each day.

In the future my suggestion would be to wait until you have left the building before establishing your ETA with the Warden (oops I mean landlord) when returning from your work release pass. I don't see a reason to skip your final meeting. If she wanted the information she has it. If she plays that card you are prepared to fight back. Enjoy that last visit and make sure you hit the bottom of her pussy hole! Pound that nasty thing thru the mattress!

SubCmdr Out.

[QUOTE=JoesParty; 1477979]While I was getting dressed to leave, I texted the landlord to let her know that I would be "leaving work" momentarily. She confirmed my ETA in response. I'm putting on my shoes, and I look over at the bed, and SB23 has crawled in. I must have given her a quizzical look, because she replied that she was feeling nauseated and needed to rest a few minutes. Alarm bells went off immediately. I was screwed. I was due home by a certain time (although traffic can be unpredictable, especially with the construction going on) , and SB23 was basically refusing to leave. She said she wasn't sure what the problem was, but that I could go and she would leave a few minutes after me, when she felt better. Um, hell no. Does anyone else see her potential endgame here?

I figured she wanted me to leave so she could use the hotel TV system to look up my "guest folio" and figure out my real name. Now, maybe she did have an upset stomach, but what better way for an enterprising young baby to keep the cash coming in-when she's been told it's going to dry up-than to find out my real name to set up a blackmail scheme? Someone please tell me I'm crazy or overreacting, but I need to be cautious here.

In the end, she forced my hand. In the heat of the moment, I couldn't come up with another excuse to delay my ETA home, and I'm not the kind of guy to forcibly evict a SB from my room. Maybe I should be, but I'm not. So I left. I left her there. Alone. In my room, with access to my real name.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SubCmdr; 1478055]I don't see a reason to skip your final meeting. If she wanted the information she has it. If she plays that card you are prepared to fight back. Enjoy that last visit and make sure you hit the bottom of her pussy hole! Pound that nasty thing thru the mattress!

SubCmdr Out.[/QUOTE]Exactly the encouragement I needed to hear, Cmdr! I plan on doing just this tomorrow afternoon.

[QUOTE=JoesParty;1478723]Exactly the encouragement I needed to hear, Cmdr! I plan on doing just this tomorrow afternoon.[/QUOTE]My guess is the odds would be significantly less than 50/50 that she shows tomorrow and goes balls to the wall in the FC. Moreover, I would look for a no-show, or maybe an appearance so that she can inform you of some reason why you shouldn't cast her to the wind, or beg for continuance of the allowance because she is destitute, et al. Can't imagine since you are basically cutting her off at the knees that all will function as normal, so I would be prepared for anything and highly surprised or even shocked if it turns out to be a robust bang-a-rama.