Could be a problem to reveal such info.
[QUOTE=Stimulus;1492312]I've got to second the motion that the board name of the informant should be revealed. It is in the best interest of the ladies that they know not to do business with this guy and it's best the mongers know so we don't give information to him which could be used to harm someone.[/QUOTE]I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but I seem to remember reading somewhere that revealing the name of someone like the informant could be considered obstructing justice if they are still being used.
Like I said, I'm not a lawyer and I may just be remembering an old Law & Order episode. .
As always, check with your legal counsel and YMMV.
C
Incall = asking for problems with LE
Sorry to hear about the people who ran into trouble with LE.
I am not an attorney either. I have, however, been a hobbyist for quite some time, and I have been following the trends since the pre-Internet era.
A few generalizations:
- Just as LE does not stop every speeder, LE is also uninterested in making every provider / hobbyist bust. They prioritize for certain issues.
- The biggest red flags, of course, are any sort of human trafficking or minor involvement. We have *none* of that on the local scene; and I think that all of us would be supportive if LE *did* bust something like that. What goes on locally is consenting adults engaging in consensual behavior. Theoretically, at least, it should be fairly easy to do this without it becoming a police issue.
- So. The next big red flag for LE is anything that is too open, too flagrantly "in your face" for Joe or Jane Public. This is why streetwalkers are always such a target. From the public perspective, SWs are a nuisance. AMPs that locate themselves in suburban strip malls are a close second.
- Another big red flag is raised when a lone woman with a local address on her driver's license rents a hotel room, and has multiple male visitors throughout the day. Often it is the hotel staff themselves who are informing police. No hotel manager wants his facility to become a haven for escort activity, and they are usually very vigilant about looking for the telltale signs.
- However, this seems to be the dominant business model that Cincy-area providers use, even though it is the most dangerous. Whenever you call one, they always say,"incall in a hotel." And I always say,"If you want my business, you're going to have to come to my house."
- When I was in Columbus in the 1990s, providers would *only* provide outcall to a private residence that was registered in a phone directory. If the local providers in Cincinnati would follow this practice, they would eliminate 90% of the arrest issues. While not impossible, it is far more costly and logistically difficult for LE to stage a "sting" in a suburban environment. Think about it: They have to rent a house or a condo on an ongoing basis. Again. I know there are ways around it; but it is *far* more difficult, compared with the ease of conducting a sting in a hotel room.
- It is also far less likely that outcall to a private residence would generate complaints to LE in the first place. When a provider sets up camp in a hotel room, everyone knows what is going on. When a provider comes to my front door, my neighbor assumes that she is my friend or GF dropping by for a visit, as long as her clothing and demeanor are discreet. Therefore, no calls to LE about "suspicious activity."
- Therefore, I almost never use incall services. Too much risk for everyone involved.
- Bottom line: Until the business model shifts to outcall to private residences, both providers and hobbyists will continue to show up on these police reports.
Re: Incall = asking for problems with LE
Some very good points and some food for thought. Thank you, Todd Cincy.
A couple of thoughts, though.
Not everyone is in a position to have a Provider come to them at their home (wife, girlfriend, family, neighbors, etc.). Having one Provider come by might be passed off as a girlfriend or something, but having multiple different Providers come by [B][I]could [/I][/B]arouse suspicion.
Having a Provider come to your home can be dangerous, since they can return at will for several types of unpleasant purposes. This has been a problem that has been reported several times on this Forum (refer to the Rip Off Reports and other threads).
If you don't have them come to your home, renting a hotel room yourself results in additional cost for the hotel room and sometimes the Provider (outcall rates tend to be higher for some reason). Plus, your information usually has to be left at most somewhat nice hotels. I prefer to leave as little information as a trail as possible in this Hobby.
Not every Provider wants "a lot of" guys coming to their home (husband, boyfriend, family, neighbors, etc.). A lot of different men coming to a Provider's home [B][I]might/would[/I][/B] tend to attract the attention of the neighbors and at least raise some potentially uncomfortable questions.
Most Providers can't afford to have a "separate" house to work out of if they don't want to work out of their homes. So... hotels end up being the choice.
I think you are accurate on almost everything that you said. Nevertheless, there are still problems to overcome before what you suggest could become a reality.
JRW1
[QUOTE=Todd Cincy;1492497]Sorry to hear about the people who ran into trouble with LE.
I am not an attorney either. I have, however, been a hobbyist for quite some time, and I have been following the trends since the pre-Internet era.
A few generalizations:
- Just as LE does not stop every speeder, LE is also uninterested in making every provider / hobbyist bust. They prioritize for certain issues.
- The biggest red flags, of course, are any sort of human trafficking or minor involvement. We have *none* of that on the local scene; and I think that all of us would be supportive if LE *did* bust something like that. What goes on locally is consenting adults engaging in consensual behavior. Theoretically, at least, it should be fairly easy to do this without it becoming a police issue.
- So. The next big red flag for LE is anything that is too open, too flagrantly "in your face" for Joe or Jane Public. This is why streetwalkers are always such a target. From the public perspective, SWs are a nuisance. AMPs that locate themselves in suburban strip malls are a close second.
- Another big red flag is raised when a lone woman with a local address on her driver's license rents a hotel room, and has multiple male visitors throughout the day. Often it is the hotel staff themselves who are informing police. No hotel manager wants his facility to become a haven for escort activity, and they are usually very vigilant about looking for the telltale signs.
- However, this seems to be the dominant business model that Cincy-area providers use, even though it is the most dangerous. Whenever you call one, they always say,"incall in a hotel." And I always say,"If you want my business, you're going to have to come to my house."
- When I was in Columbus in the 1990s, providers would *only* provide outcall to a private residence that was registered in a phone directory. If the local providers in Cincinnati would follow this practice, they would eliminate 90% of the arrest issues. While not impossible, it is far more costly and logistically difficult for LE to stage a "sting" in a suburban environment. Think about it: They have to rent a house or a condo on an ongoing basis. Again. I know there are ways around it; but it is *far* more difficult, compared with the ease of conducting a sting in a hotel room.
- It is also far less likely that outcall to a private residence would generate complaints to LE in the first place. When a provider sets up camp in a hotel room, everyone knows what is going on. When a provider comes to my front door, my neighbor assumes that she is my friend or GF dropping by for a visit, as long as her clothing and demeanor are discreet. Therefore, no calls to LE about "suspicious activity."
- Therefore, I almost never use incall services. Too much risk for everyone involved.
- Bottom line: Until the business model shifts to outcall to private residences, both providers and hobbyists will continue to show up on these police reports.[/QUOTE]
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My experience with home outcall vs. Hotel rooms
I've been having providers to my home / apartment since 1992. Not one single issue. I have even had a few cases when I had to ask the woman to leave, due to bait and switch situations. Once again-never a problem.
(I did, though, have a problem with a psycho ex-girlfriend who kept returning to my home. So perhaps the moral of the story is that one should allow providers to one's home, but not girlfriends.)
On the other hand, I have encountered numerous dicey situations in hotel rooms, including one time when I missed a police raid by only an hour. (I found out about it later on the boards.) That settled it for me: no more hotel rooms. I also avoid AMPs-even though I love Asian women. Once again: I don't want to be caught with my pants down in a strip mall AMP when LE comes through the front door.
Hotel rooms provide a false sense of confidence: You are much more vulnerable there than you think you are.
I do, however, agree with you that providers should not have clients to their personal homes.
The safest arrangement for everyone involved is outcall to the client's verified residence.
P.S.: I had a conversation about this with an agency owner once, who had the above policy I advocate. He told me that *every* single LE-related problem he had occurred in a hotel room. But he had no problems at clients' private residences, which is why he mandated residential outcall for first appointments, at least.
[QUOTE=BigBird69; 1492685]I would never bring a provider to my house regardless. I'll take my chances at a hotel and if necessary, rent it myself. If I were a provider. Besides being broke because I am somewhat ugly. I wouldn't have clients coming to my home. I will take a motel / hotel any day over a private residence. That's not to say I won't go to a provider's home, but they will NEVER come to mine. I had one psycho encounter that really reaffirmed my personal position on this.
-BigBird69.[/QUOTE]
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