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[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2956678]I thought that if a girl could 'prove' she was a college student she gets a premium account for free. Of course, they have to be willing to give up some personal info (actual identity likely) to the site.[/QUOTE]Most girls with a premium account do it without realizing they can talk to any guy that does have one. Any guy that doesn't can't be that serious. So its a good qualifier.
Say, when any of you gents started sugaring, did you suddenly get a much heavier beard? This is incredible. In a little over a week, I have *really* noticed the change. Lots of natural 'roids raging. I might even * the SO.
I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.
[QUOTE=XxBullXx;2958148]I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.[/QUOTE]I can't find the post- on what thread? There isn't a CL thread for OC.
[QUOTE=XxBullXx;2958148]I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.[/QUOTE]Yes I learn something new everyday and I like this approach with a nice complementary note to an attractive young lady. It gets me to think that the best is to be ready for the right circumstances, in other words I need to have a note already prepared, heck on my business travels just this past week I could have and should have used this as I meet 2 or 3 friendly young lady's in the airport and on flight.
Thanks for sharing.
TTM.
You might want to do a trial run of cloud storage to see if that's convenient and secure for you. One recommendation is not to go with Google Drive as (assuming that you have a legit gmail account) Google might try to default you to your regular account. For storing mongering related files you might want to pick up a pure cloud service such as Box or Dropbox.
And if you want to buy a used smartphone burner without any paper trail you should look to buy from Craigslist by paying cash.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2954990]First, I appreciate the guidance. I know nothing about the cloud though. Best way to learn? And isn't there a paper trail for an EBay purchase? Can I get a smartphone burner that's totally anonymous?[/QUOTE]
I posted questions earlier about how to handle cash needs as a MBL but didn't get replies. These are the solutions I have come up with. The best is a casino or racetrack. They love to pay you off in cash, preferably hundreds. I recommend these. There is something special about a $100 bill that is not comparable to 5 $20's. Of course, you have to be a good enough gambler to be able to generate the winnings to support the SB habit. You also have to be cautious about not getting winnings that trigger an IRS filing, which the SO is going to wonder about when she sees it on the tax return.
Otherwise, this is how I am moving cash that hopefully should not be noticed. I have brokerage accounts that will send wires. It is crucial you use the wire, not the standard thing many are using these days, ACH transfer. This is stuff like online bill pay or electronic check. For all of the, the payee or payor is listed on the statement. For my broker, all that shows up on the statement is 'Outgoing wire'. I do this now and then for purchases of private securities. It should not raise an alarm should the SO ever look at the brokerage statement, which almost never happens (though long ago I did get busted this way).
Where does the wire go? I opened an account with an online bank. You can find a prominent one yourself. They have an ATM network that charges no fees. The wire goes there and then I can go make a withdrawal of my sugar. I haven't figured out yet the daily limit on cash withdrawals. The interest my bank pays on a checking account balance right now is only 0. 1%. I intend to have my $ in residence in the account for only a short time. Therefore, there should be negligible interest accumulating over the year and I won't be getting a 1099-I from that bank account. As an online bank there won't be any mailing to my house. There is only the one-time mailing of a signature card and the ATM card. I get the mail so I can intercept these.
I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2967900]I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?[/QUOTE]A recent exchange on SA.
ME about 15 hours ago.
I've just given you access to my private photos, go to my profile to view them.
HER about 15 hours ago.
Honestly I'm looking for a friend, someone who can open my eyes to life, teach me, show me new ways to look at life, and to learn about my sexual life.
HER about 15 hours ago.
I'm a newbie all the way around.
ME about 15 hours ago.
And I am very experienced. I will teach you, train you, and show you, the real deal about what it means to be a good little girl for Daddy.
HER about 15 hours ago.
Thank you, would you like to exchange numbers?
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Will this lead to anything? maybe, and maybe not. But its a start. My intro letter to them lets them know I have a shoulder for them to lean on, if they are looking for that sort of thing. In spite of any pre-screening, I usually never know for sure until I meet them. The first date will tell all. And some are submissive and some are not.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2967900]I recall reading in some of the Richmond highlights that some of you have the experience that some SBs like to be dominated. This hasn't been part of my civi game and I am trying to figure out how to play it. Is there an indication in the profile of a girl, or her messages, that she is seeking 'guidance'? Is it the one's who have daddy issues? Is there any particular demographic of girl who tends to be the ones who want to be submissive. If you divine a girl is submissive and overplay your hand, then she thinks your a tool, right?[/QUOTE]Its simple, put in your profile what your looking for. You will get replies from whatever kink <are looking for. Just have to sort through the replies for what you are looking for. Sorting through means pro, utr, and actual subs.
[QUOTE=JohnHandCock;2968470]Its simple, put in your profile what your looking for. You will get replies from whatever kink <are looking for. Just have to sort through the replies for what you are looking for. Sorting through means pro, utr, and actual subs.[/QUOTE]The only thing is, once you start meeting a lot of girls, you find many of them lie and feign interest in your requests, just hoping somehow whatever it is they do have to offer is enough to assuage your feelings of not getting what you had originally hoped for. And sometimes they surprise you with more than you hoped for. So its worth it in the end when you do get it. Whatever your "it" is.
Just saw an SB "friend" of mine. We never sugar dated. We met on SA and decided the connection was on the friend level right from the get go. Anyway I have known her a few months. She had a guy that was paying $$$$$ a date. This girl is upscale in attitude but far from anything most of the guys on here would even consider paying at all. Anyway I asked her how was her SD and she tells me she fired him and switched to a new guy for a G a date / twice a month. Nice work if you can get it.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2961438]I posted questions earlier about how to handle cash needs as a MBL but didn't get replies. These are the solutions I have come up with. The best is a casino or racetrack. They love to pay you off in cash, preferably hundreds. I recommend these. There is something special about a $100 bill that is not comparable to 5 $20's. Of course, you have to be a good enough gambler to be able to generate the winnings to support the SB habit. You also have to be cautious about not getting winnings that trigger an IRS filing, which the SO is going to wonder about when she sees it on the tax return.
Otherwise, this is how I am moving cash that hopefully should not be noticed. I have brokerage accounts that will send wires. It is crucial you use the wire, not the standard thing many are using these days, ACH transfer. This is stuff like online bill pay or electronic check. For all of the, the payee or payor is listed on the statement. For my broker, all that shows up on the statement is 'Outgoing wire'. I do this now and then for purchases of private securities. It should not raise an alarm should the SO ever look at the brokerage statement, which almost never happens (though long ago I did get busted this way).
Where does the wire go? I opened an account with an online bank. You can find a prominent one yourself. They have an ATM network that charges no fees. The wire goes there and then I can go make a withdrawal of my sugar. I haven't figured out yet the daily limit on cash withdrawals. The interest my bank pays on a checking account balance right now is only 0. 1%. I intend to have my $ in residence in the account for only a short time. Therefore, there should be negligible interest accumulating over the year and I won't be getting a 1099-I from that bank account. As an online bank there won't be any mailing to my house. There is only the one-time mailing of a signature card and the ATM card. I get the mail so I can intercept these.[/QUOTE]That is the stupidest thing I ever read.
Gamble?
If you got the capital, invest in a cash cow business. Shit, just pay someone to do all the work and take out your $60 grand.
Losers gamble.
[QUOTE=Christophe1;2969105]That is the stupidest thing I ever read.
Gamble?
If you got the capital, invest in a cash cow business. Shit, just pay someone to do all the work and take out your $60 grand.
Losers gamble.[/QUOTE]Well, sorry to offend. But I have had five stacks of $100 bills handed to me at Santa Anita, with no IRS reporting. Yeah, if you can't do that, don't go that way.
Alicia and Destiny about 22 hours ago.
"We're negotiable but we we're thinking $250 each".
The one on the right is really nice. I bet they would go for $300 for the pair.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2958025]Say, when any of you gents started sugaring, did you suddenly get a much heavier beard? This is incredible. In a little over a week, I have *really* noticed the change. Lots of natural 'roids raging. I might even * the SO.[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear about the raging hemorrhoids. Hope you don't have to "anus" the SO.
[QUOTE=BenderOver;2970000]Sorry to hear about the raging hemorrhoids. Hope you don't have to "anus" the SO.[/QUOTE]The internet is not a good place for subtlety. Steroids, natural steroids.
I let my ATF sleep over for the first time ever Saturday night. I might do it again, I just don't want her to think I,m falling for her, and I,m not. At least I got to hit it twice instead of the usual once. But I canceled my M&G today as I was worried I might not be up to my usual performance standards after being drained the night before. I actually have 2 M&G's lined up. It's been tougher getting the M&G's due to me narrowing my focus. I basically had it made when I had my ATF, church girl, and UTR goin on. Between the three of them all my needs were being met. Getting all that back will be a lot of work or some amazing good luck.
Today I scheduled two M&G's for after work. And it's a good thing I did because one of them flaked. The one that showed was a very chill 19 year old mixed girl. Her less than perfect looks were more than made up for in personality. An old line but in this case true enough that I am sure I will see her again. She smiled a lot, laughed a lot, and did just enough to keep me entertained.
She had good stamina and decent skills and was the kind of girl you can just be yourself with and have a good time. She could use some training but was open to it and we did some experimenting while she was here. And she did have a good SD story to tell. She says the first SD she met (not on SA) paid her a G a day for five days. By the end of the 5 days he was basically stalking her and she figured she was rich, so she ditched him. But it got her to thinking, so she joined SA.
I'm still looking for my next sexy spinner. But I'll take what I can get in the meantime. Low ballers can't always be choosers. And thank you again uber pool. Its a game changer.
Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2972126]Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".[/QUOTE]These in the LA area? I usually set my radius to limit searches to OC.
[QUOTE=FarFarAway;2972128]These in the LA area? I usually set my radius to limit searches to OC.[/QUOTE]I only report on LA area activity.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2972126]Melissaxc
Xxhollyx
Charlotteswebb
Three fake profiles. They all have the exact same wording.
"What I'm Looking for
Looking for a sugar daddy who will love me endlessly spoil me unconditionally and pamper my every need. ".[/QUOTE]I tried communicating with them. They usually want you to send them money or when you press them for a meeting, they claim to be out of state on vacation.
[QUOTE=XxBullXx;2958148]I met a girl from CL I posted in the OC board, because it fit there better. Anyhow, she is 20 yo, and has had one prior SD. I asked how she met him.
She said he saw her at Starbucks and gave her a note saying he thought she was attractive, and included his SA username. She checked it out, signed up and began speaking with him. She was with him for a year and a half, that just ended. And now she has found me LOL. Setting up future meets.[/QUOTE]I want to PM you but your quota is full.
Bad M&G yesterday (no show. Yeah, right, food poisoning) turned into a great one today. 40's divorced MILF needing key $ for a new apartment. Quiet 90 min lunch became some hot car time. I am welcome at her place anytime. Beautiful blond, big, firm tits, cushy rear. What a relief! Now I like this bowl.
Anyone ever use a spa for a notel equivalent? For example, in Anaheim there is Neptune's Lagoons, which seems to rent rooms w / tubs / saunas by the hour at a reasonable rate. Seems like an ideal setup. Anyone know of similar businesses in other areas. Inland Empire, LB, LA?
Oh these prima donnas. This one is one of the prime examples. 33, pretentious photoshopped pictures, boasting throughout her profile about how great she is. This kind of response smells of so much insecurity: "Yes, I have been doing this for years and I am very experienced and firm on what I am looking for and not submissive in any shape or form. " *Sigh* Okay sweetie.
I take a few days to respond. Do these women think all we have to do is wait on their emails? I haven't responded and I get this: "Okie dokie. Guess that means you are no longer interested. Could have just said so! Best of luck!" Such passive aggressive BS. Thanks for letting me know how to act. But I don't bite tell her one of the primary reasons why I like the site is people understand how busy life can be. I ask her about her expectation and she quotes $$$ just to share the same dinner booth with her. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. 5 $'s to do the deed and 8 $'s if I have the honor of buying her dinner and fucking her.
I thank her for her being upfront tell her it doesn't fit my lifestyle and wish her the best of luck. But she of course can't let it go, as now she has been rejected. "No problem at all. Just a tip, it shows poor character and lack of respect to just not respond when in a conversation. If uninterested, it takes 2 seconds to say so. I would never want a disrespectful man in my life so wouldn't proceed anyway. Good luck finding a gal. Have a good holiday!" Yes, my terrible character because I didn't respond according to her timeline while she trolls the internet looking for the next sucker to pay her hundreds of dollars to watch her eat her salads.
I haven't ever responded to this shit, but this time, I just couldn't resist and I write " You have too much time on your hands. I have had plenty of successful relationships with great women. Too bad you chose to get offended by what was not intended to be a slight but I am certain it happens often in your life. " I wait a bit because I KNOW she will want to get in the last word. She blocks me and writes " Not at all, sir! None of my current sugar daddies or past ones ever had that to say about me. Good luck. I can see your desperation. Best of luck kiddo. " Oh, she has wounded me to the core. How can I go on? Hmmm I guess I'll think back to the last 5 days when I had a 22 yr. Deep throating me like the most seasoned pornstar and her pussy gripping my cock like another mouth and a few days after that when I had a 24 yr cumming over and over again with the sexiest moans and squeals I have heard. And for about the cost of one of her salads.
Another RESUME from the OC craigslist.
[URL]https://orangecounty.craigslist.org/res/5663720205.html[/URL]
Google the name she gives. She's an internet photo diva. I hit her IG page. Surely this is an UTR. Otherwise, why put your pic in an ad.
[URL]http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/w4m/5663741900.html[/URL]
She responded, so clearly is in the bowl.
[QUOTE=LargeEss;2977048]Oh these prima donnas. This one is one of the prime examples. 33, pretentious photoshopped pictures, boasting throughout her profile about how great she is. This kind of response smells of so much insecurity: "Yes, I have been doing this for years and I am very experienced and firm on what I am looking for and not submissive in any shape or form. " *Sigh* Okay sweetie.
I take a few days to respond. Do these women think all we have to do is wait on their emails? I haven't responded and I get this: "Okie dokie. Guess that means you are no longer interested. Could have just said so! Best of luck!" Such passive aggressive BS. Thanks for letting me know how to act. But I don't bite tell her one of the primary reasons why I like the site is people understand how busy life can be. I ask her about her expectation and she quotes $$$ just to share the same dinner booth with her. Riiiiiiiiiiiight. 5 $'s to do the deed and 8 $'s if I have the honor of buying her dinner and fucking her.
I thank her for her being upfront tell her it doesn't fit my lifestyle and wish her the best of luck. But she of course can't let it go, as now she has been rejected. "No problem at all. Just a tip, it shows poor character and lack of respect to just not respond when in a conversation. If uninterested, it takes 2 seconds to say so. I would never want a disrespectful man in my life so wouldn't proceed anyway. Good luck finding a gal. Have a good holiday!" Yes, my terrible character because I didn't respond according to her timeline while she trolls the internet looking for the next sucker to pay her hundreds of dollars to watch her eat her salads.
I haven't ever responded to this shit, but this time, I just couldn't resist and I write " You have too much time on your hands. I have had plenty of successful relationships with great women. Too bad you chose to get offended by what was not intended to be a slight but I am certain it happens often in your life. " I wait a bit because I KNOW she will want to get in the last word. She blocks me and writes " Not at all, sir! None of my current sugar daddies or past ones ever had that to say about me. Good luck. I can see your desperation. Best of luck kiddo. " Oh, she has wounded me to the core. How can I go on? Hmmm I guess I'll think back to the last 5 days when I had a 22 yr. Deep throating me like the most seasoned pornstar and her pussy gripping my cock like another mouth and a few days after that when I had a 24 yr cumming over and over again with the sexiest moans and squeals I have heard. And for about the cost of one of her salads.[/QUOTE]It's always best to just ignore and never reply to girls that are not in YOUR game. Within two days max they become a distant memory.
Deleted236 on SA.
Looks pretty fresh and she is a UTR. Lives in the IE but goes to LA and carson on the weekends. Wants $$ but will go to $.5 if you push her. I am passing for now due to budgetary constraints. If anyone grabs her please post a report of your date.
dovelovey on SA.
One of my x's that I civi dated from a couple years ago. Sweet, nice and thick but proportionate girl. Always a good time. Definitely kinky as it says in her profile. I may see her again. Saw her maybe 12 times in 12 months at a local no-tel in her area. Your mileage and rates may vary. I have no current info on her.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2977752]It's always best to just ignore and never reply to girls that are not in YOUR game. Within two days max they become a distant memory.[/QUOTE]You are so right, but this one just got under my skin, who knows why.
So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.
[QUOTE=La808;2980247]So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]All very true, especially for someone who just signed up (meaning you).
You have to dig a lot deeper to get to the gold. It's a lot of work, but worth it in the end... at least that's been my experience.
[QUOTE=LargeEss;2980073]You are so right, but this one just got under my skin, who knows why.[/QUOTE]Rejection from someone who declines an offer for what we think they are worth does that. If they have the nerve to stick to their guns and get flippant with you in your exchange tends to send mongers over the edge.
Like HG said best to wish them luck and move on.
[QUOTE=La808;2980247]So after reading a bunch of your posts on SA, I decides to take the plunge. And after about a month on the site as a premium member, I've decided to share some random thoughts on it:
1.) Many of the profiles on there are scam artists with the same story. They put LA as their location, and when you begin to chat with them, you find out they're out of state. And they all need you to send them money for a flight back. LOL.
2.) Many of the profiles on there have no intent on ever meeting you. Rather, they want you to send them money in exchange for "naughty" pics.
3.) The real ones want at least five benjis. I had one who was maybe an LA 6 have the nerve to ask for 10 benjis.
4.) The lower value ones are just not good looking, but that's all relative as some of you will just about shove your peens in anything breathing.
5.) The ones you can negotiate with are either UTR or straight up backpage pros. Some are just coming through LA to stir up business. I banged one who was out here from Fla on her way to vegas. She was pretty damn hot 22 yr old and was pretty much a pro. I didn't mind paying her reasonable rate even though she was, in her words, cutting me a huge deal. LOL.
Anyway, for me it's still debatable on whether or not this is all worth the premium membership. Back in the glory days of CL, you would find way better gems out there for ridiculously low cost. Now, it seems like all the girls have caught on and the market has gone way up.
Just my two cents.[/QUOTE]I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.
[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2981679]I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.[/QUOTE]Great! All we need is to come up with another $69.92 and we can buy some poor PL a month's worth of membership on SA!
[QUOTE=TheTallMan;2981679]I read the other response and I tend to side with your observations and experience. So true about the early days of CL, damn those were the days, now everywhere you turn is all about the scam or pros.
I add my five cents to your two and we end up with seven cents.
TTM.[/QUOTE]Wow, my experience has been quite good. In the last year I have banged 2 18 yrs olds and all the rest under 30, except for one who had a incredible body for 39, she was a bit crazy though, so I moved one. 98% of them have had off the chart oral skills and the price point has always been $. I have had one working model, one who could have been. Two that never asked for a dime and was incredible in bed. Plus about three or four others. Looks have range from 5 -8. 5. Yes, not the best looking but neither am I, Ha! They stay for hours always give GFE and always give me head. If I had more disposable income, I would raise my limit and see what I could catch. But even on HX I have gone about three bills perhaps twice in my time there.
[QUOTE=HollywoodGuy;2980730]All very true, especially for someone who just signed up (meaning you).
You have to dig a lot deeper to get to the gold. It's a lot of work, but worth it in the end... at least that's been my experience.[/QUOTE]HG is correct (as usual). You have to spend a lot of time messaging, it's like cold calling hehe. I was discouraged at first but decided to put a little more time in and got smarter with my searches. Now I am fuk buddies with a small (5' 3") thicky thick latina (think mindy from the mindy project but with better ass). Neither of us have uttered a word about $$. A few others as well for around $, a couple that were very cute for the price too. Give it time sir.