Rants, Raves and Opinions AKA "The Octagon"

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;1758715]This place would run so much better if people would just read the fucking thread index titles and make sure they are posting in the relevant areas given the topic they are posting.[/QUOTE]No shit, and leave me more time to get blowjobs from Angie.

[QUOTE=PhatDaty;1758715]By the way folks, no matter what you are quoting, you realize once you quote something, you can move your cursor inside the {quote} and {/quote} tags and delete the bulk of the text, leaving just enough for us to get the gist of things. Just make sure you don't remove the tags. If folks want to go back and read the whole thing to figure out what the whole post said, they can always click the "see original post" button on the new post.[/QUOTE]You can also cut out and quote multiple parts like this.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1758691]Cancellation fees. Gents: What is your thoughts on this? It seems as if some providers are charging upwards of half the donation if you have to cancel an appointment with them. Not only does the gentleman have to pay the cancellation fee ASAP, but if the gentlemen doesn't, then the provider places his info on national 'black-lists' sites.

All I can say is 'WOW'. Now instead of using blacklist sites to protect ladies from dangerous men and LE, our blacklist sites are being muddied up and cluttered with men blacklisted for simply cancelling an appt. Just unacceptable behavior. Maybe it is a side effect of golden pussy syndrome. Who knows? But I, for one, think that this is unacceptable behavior.

Question is, gents, would you be conned into paying the cancellation fee in order to prevent your info from being posted on blacklist sites? Or would you take your 'black-list' punishment as ordered? Ah, 'As the Hobby Turns. '[/QUOTE]Depends on when I canceled, day of I owe the fee IF it was disclosed in advance. 24 hours hours or more before? No way. If providers want to be treated with the same respect due other professional service people then they need to adhere to the same standards as those professionals.

I would hope that providers look at black list sites the same way smart mongers look at negative reviews here. If a normally well reviewed girl gets a bad one then the issue is with the guy writing, if a girl has a string of bad ones then she sucks. (or most likely doesn't, or at least not very well) If some guy gets blacklisted by a provider and there aren't other girls chiming in saying,"yeah he did me dirty too that motherfucker" than the issue is most likely with the chick. If a provider won't see a known and respected monger because one girl blacklisted him for canceling than fuck them. I can live a lot longer without pussy than they can live without money. In a market that the item being offered has no marginal cost and the seller (normally) has any kind of fixed costs, it is the buyer, not the seller that defines the terms of the market.

Mis dos centavos,

A2

A2, seeing as how the Dayton board does not have an octagon of sorts, and this is your adopted city; wanted to compliment on your addition to MassageGoddess and her $85 tug release! Classic, and in the authoritative blue ink. Looks as though she earned an immediate "banned" tag. (Dayton Escort Classified Ads)

As always: Thanks for looking out for the consumer!

Appointments are tentative when made according to custom. An appointment never confirmed by talking on the scheduled day evaporates. In real life we check with others to see if things previously set are still on. This is the same thing. If the date has not been confirmed they are each entitled to conclude something must have come up on the other end. Each is entitled to make other arrangements for their day. This is especially true in our unique world where people have barriers and cannot always get hold of each other.

Cancellation fees don't apply to unconfirmed appointments.

[QUOTE=Admin2;1758839] (Edit Delete) Depends on when I canceled, day of I owe the fee IF it was disclosed in advance. (Edit Delete) A2[/QUOTE]

Agreed if the appointment was confirmed on the day of the blessed event and then was cancelled.

[QUOTE=Gray0630; 1758871]A2, seeing as how the Dayton board does not have an octagon of sorts, and this is your adopted city; wanted to compliment on your addition to MassageGoddess and her $85 tug release! Classic, and in the authoritative blue ink. Looks as though she earned an immediate "banned" tag. (Dayton Escort Classified Ads)

As always: Thanks for looking out for the consumer![/QUOTE]A2 doesn't have a great understanding of the market up there but he must admit he found that post HIGHLY offensive to be put on [b]this[/b] board. It is always a given that the provider gets to define the terms of her interaction including price and it is up to the monger to decide if those terms are suitable to him. Generally speaking, I usually don't comment on what a provider chooses to charge for her time and company I prefer to let the market decide, but come on! $85 for a fucking tug!

I'm not surprised though. I have discovered a causal link, any provider that has either the word "Goddess" in or attaches the title "Ms." to their names can generally be counted on to be suffering EXTREME GPS and should be passed on in my not so humble opinion.

Additionally I would agree with Golfcart about confirming appointments and cancellation fees. Man rule; "an appointment confirmed on the day of, then cancelled, lacking photographic evidence of LE or sketchy management hovering in the area, is subject to a reasonable cancellation fee if said fee was disclosed prior to setting the appointment."

So say we all,

A2

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1758691]Cancellation fees. Gents: What is your thoughts on this? It seems as if some providers are charging upwards of half the donation if you have to cancel an appointment with them. Not only does the gentleman have to pay the cancellation fee ASAP, but if the gentlemen doesn't, then the provider places his info on national 'black-lists' sites.

All I can say is 'WOW'. Now instead of using blacklist sites to protect ladies from dangerous men and LE, our blacklist sites are being muddied up and cluttered with men blacklisted for simply cancelling an appt. Just unacceptable behavior. Maybe it is a side effect of golden pussy syndrome. Who knows? But I, for one, think that this is unacceptable behavior.

Question is, gents, would you be conned into paying the cancellation fee in order to prevent your info from being posted on blacklist sites? Or would you take your 'black-list' punishment as ordered? Ah, 'As the Hobby Turns. '[/QUOTE]I wonder how those same providers would feel about being held to a free blow job for tardiness, and a free complete session for a dropped or canceled appointment on there part?

As to the blacklisting, that sure smacks of extortion to me. I would hope providers, at least the smarter ones like I tend to frequent, are as discerning as some of us gents and look for a pattern, not one report. If they were to threaten that and demand money, I would again apologize profusely, inform them they can go ahead and file a bad report, but I am sure I will find somebody that will still take my money, get a great fuck, and then probably inform them that they are bat shit crazy.

I can count on one hand, without using my thumb the number of times I dropped an appointment in thirty years:

1) I was hospitalized with CHF.

2) I was in a traffic accident.

3) I got so sick I had explosive gastric distress out every orfice in my body, and as it happens, when I called to cancel, she too was coming down with the flu.

Each time, I did my best to give as early of notice as possible.

Now to count the number of times ladies have dropped appointments on me. I would have to take of my shoes and then start using the digits of other mongers.

I understand the frustration of some ladies that they not only lose your business when you cancel, but you pooch their whole schedule that they could have booked other clients around your appointment time if she knew you needed to drop. Of course, ladies often fail to understand guys are out time and money (gas, hotel, etc) when ladies drop appointments.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1758691]Cancellation fees. Gents: What is your thoughts on this? It seems as if some providers are charging upwards of half the donation if you have to cancel an appointment with them. Not only does the gentleman have to pay the cancellation fee ASAP, but if the gentlemen doesn't, then the provider places his info on national 'black-lists' sites.

All I can say is 'WOW'. Now instead of using blacklist sites to protect ladies from dangerous men and LE, our blacklist sites are being muddied up and cluttered with men blacklisted for simply cancelling an appt. Just unacceptable behavior. Maybe it is a side effect of golden pussy syndrome. Who knows? But I, for one, think that this is unacceptable behavior.

Question is, gents, would you be conned into paying the cancellation fee in order to prevent your info from being posted on blacklist sites? Or would you take your 'black-list' punishment as ordered? Ah, 'As the Hobby Turns. '[/QUOTE]It wouldn't faze me one bit too many ladies out there that want and need my money, I guess some ladies think they have the only giner in the city. You can blacklist a lot of things but the one thing you can't blacklist is good ole US American dollars everybody takes them.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1758691]Cancellation fees. Gents: What is your thoughts on this?

Question is, gents, would you be conned into paying the cancellation fee in order to prevent your info from being posted on blacklist sites? Or would you take your 'black-list' punishment as ordered? Ah, 'As the Hobby Turns. '[/QUOTE]Cancellation fees are fine if the provider partner is willing to disclose them up front. The ad should say "$.25 / hhr, $$/hr. 50% cancellation fee within 24 hours" or something of that sort. Who am I to dictate a providers business model. If she wants to honestly include this as part of her business, good for her.

But it's part of the "is this worth it" equation. A cancellation fee adds to my cost and, in effect, reduces the value I get from that provider partner.

It's like booking hotels. If I'm going to Vegas next weekend and looking to book a hotel. I find two rooms that I like. Good location, size, casino, blah blah blah. All the same. By coincidence the nightly rate is exactly the same too. But here's the rub. One hotel has a "by 6 on day of arrival" cancellation fee and the other has a "24 hours" cancellation fee. Of course I'm going to take the "by 6" option because the 24hours choice is more risky if something unexpected comes up.

At the same time, if the 24hours cancellation choice is a bigger room, better location, maybe includes breakfast or some such chit, then maybe the tradeoff is worth it.

But here's the thing for providers to consider, if you're going to charge it, have the guts to advertise it. For me, there are many provider partners on this board who I would continue to see even with this cost added. And there are some who would fall off my list. Not because they're bad providers but because, with this added cost, I just don't see the value anymore. It's like the ads that say "no CIM" or "no blah blah blah". I like CIM or blah blah blah but I still see some of those provider because, as the saying goes, they're so freaking good at everything else I don't even miss it. Same with cancellation. Some providers are just so good, I'll deal with it. Others, not so much.

I agree that mongers doing a no show without extenuating circumstances is bad business. At the same time, tossing in the cancellation fee thing and the blacklist threat after the fact is just another definition of "upsell", it's no different than saying $.5 / hr and then telling someone "but it's another 0. 5 for FS". No respectable monger would think that's ok and no respectable provider partner would either.

We report here on folks who upsell. I would hope we also start reporting here on folks who add the cancellation fee and blacklist threat after the fact. If it ain't in the ad, it ain't on the table. If it is in the ad and you get charged, well bubba, show up next time.

Have a great day.

Dz

BTW, I also work in a "service" business and we briefly added a cancellation charge. The effect was obvious in the first couple months and we dropped it because we lost a lot more from calls not coming in than we did from appointments not showing up.

Her and I never technically 'worked' together. I haven't talked to her in a year and a half. I met her right before starting out here, posted with her, and dealt with the backlash. I thought it would be great to have a 'friend' in the 'biz already, to learn from and talk to. I realized that she isn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed, and that I could do way better on my own.

All I can say is YMMV, but as far as I knew her before, she was safe and legit, not dangerous. A little' flakey, maybe.

Not that I would ever charge a cancellation fee, but thanks, gents, for your honest opinions.

Now, if you have cancelled on me more than 2 times in a row, I may punish you (tee he he), or ask for a tip or a present so that you can make it up to me. Hell, I know my schedule is always crazy. I'm always either coming or going ha ha. I used to give a half-price make-up session to my cancelled appointments, but now I love to travel way too much, and I am always leaving at the spur of the moment! And I understand that 'shit happens. ' But, I don't think a cancelled appointment is enough reason for blacklisting, though a NC / NS is okay. I've heard in some cities, guys and girls alike set up appointments with traveling providers in order to prevent them from making $$. I've not had this happen to me, though. And I never thought of it as an 'up-sell' either.

Let's go back to talking about Monger Wonderland. Hopefully Dawn will meet me Tuesday at my borrowed lake-house Provider Paradise, and we will take some lovely pictures to share.

Kisses,

Molly

Molly,

I seen the OP's report and I replied over on the Detroit NR thread.

I concur. Black list sites are for the guys who DESERVE to be there. Not a guy who canceled. I get cancellations. Just got one this morning. It happens! I had one in Pittsburgh. It happens! It comes with the job.

Here in Cincinnati, I've had a few OFFER to send me compensation for a canceled appointment, but I didn't ask for it. I thought that was very respectful and sweet of them. They know who they are. I do not expect this from each guy who cancels. I wouldn't get it! LOL.

Also, I agree with PD, it should be posted in the ads. Maybe then they would think twice about scheduling / canceling.

I also agree with DW, the provider, or whomever acts in such a way, should be outed so all know who has what type of behavior.

As a guy on NR stated, it goes both ways. Remember that ladies!

Just my thoughts!

All the best,

Dawn.

[QUOTE=MollyDaniels; 1758691]Cancellation fees. Gents: What is your thoughts on this? It seems as if some providers are charging upwards of half the donation if you have to cancel an appointment with them. Not only does the gentleman have to pay the cancellation fee ASAP, but if the gentlemen doesn't, then the provider places his info on national 'black-lists' sites.

All I can say is 'WOW'. Now instead of using blacklist sites to protect ladies from dangerous men and LE, our blacklist sites are being muddied up and cluttered with men blacklisted for simply cancelling an appt. Just unacceptable behavior. Maybe it is a side effect of golden pussy syndrome. Who knows? But I, for one, think that this is unacceptable behavior.

Question is, gents, would you be conned into paying the cancellation fee in order to prevent your info from being posted on blacklist sites? Or would you take your 'black-list' punishment as ordered? Ah, 'As the Hobby Turns. '[/QUOTE]

Dz, should be named the Great and Powerful OZ. That was one of the best posts I have read on a monger board in years. Serious wisdom there folks, for monger and provider alike, so write it on your brain:

[QUOTE=Dweezil; 1759653]Cancellation fees are fine if the provider partner is willing to disclose them up front. The ad should say "$.25 / hhr, $$/hr. 50% cancellation fee within 24 hours" or something of that sort. Who am I to dictate a providers business model. If she wants to honestly include this as part of her business, good for her.

But it's part of the "is this worth it" equation. A cancellation fee adds to my cost and, in effect, reduces the value I get from that provider partner.

It's like booking hotels. If I'm going to Vegas next weekend and looking to book a hotel. I find two rooms that I like. Good location, size, casino, blah blah blah. All the same. By coincidence the nightly rate is exactly the same too. But here's the rub. One hotel has a "by 6 on day of arrival" cancellation fee and the other has a "24 hours" cancellation fee. Of course I'm going to take the "by 6" option because the 24hours choice is more risky if something unexpected comes up.

At the same time, if the 24hours cancellation choice is a bigger room, better location, maybe includes breakfast or some such chit, then maybe the tradeoff is worth it.

But here's the thing for providers to consider, if you're going to charge it, have the guts to advertise it. For me, there are many provider partners on this board who I would continue to see even with this cost added. And there are some who would fall off my list. Not because they're bad providers but because, with this added cost, I just don't see the value anymore. It's like the ads that say "no CIM" or "no blah blah blah". I like CIM or blah blah blah but I still see some of those provider because, as the saying goes, they're so freaking good at everything else I don't even miss it. Same with cancellation. Some providers are just so good, I'll deal with it. Others, not so much.

I agree that mongers doing a no show without extenuating circumstances is bad business. At the same time, tossing in the cancellation fee thing and the blacklist threat after the fact is just another definition of "upsell", it's no different than saying $.5 / hr and then telling someone "but it's another 0. 5 for FS". No respectable monger would think that's ok and no respectable provider partner would either.

We report here on folks who upsell. I would hope we also start reporting here on folks who add the cancellation fee and blacklist threat after the fact. If it ain't in the ad, it ain't on the table. If it is in the ad and you get charged, well bubba, show up next time.

Have a great day.

Dz.

BTW, I also work in a "service" business and we briefly added a cancellation charge. The effect was obvious in the first couple months and we dropped it because we lost a lot more from calls not coming in than we did from appointments not showing up.[/QUOTE]

Some people think this site is all about good intel. That somehow this site can help men find women for sex. What's wrong with those people? Aren't all the guys here much more interested in reading about some other guys thrumming cock and how almost blew his load at the mention of. Etc etc. All the normal intel stuff is just plain boring. I know I'd rather read good long diatribe about somebody else purported sexual prowess. Geez. Now some newer members forget to embellish their intel with a blow by blow (no pun intended) account of their encounter with a lady. Damn noobs. One day they will eventually understand what it means to have senior standing on the board. That the number of posts you have on the board not only testifies to your knowledge of the hobby. But makes you an incontestable expert on the art of sex. Now. Will somebody please tell me whose ass I'm supposed to kiss?. Boy I hope it's Sasha's.

[QUOTE=PhatDaty; 1759160]First, of all, this thread is reserved for reviews of women you fuck. It is not a place for discussion; since you are new to this board, I will gently remind you to read the fucking forum guidelines.

Quacking of reviews (offering an opinion of a review of a woman you have never even met, let alone fucked) is very bad form for a monger of any experience. I will grant you forty-eight hours to explain / clarify your comment on my review.

IF you are suggesting that Nadia is not the Sizzling Sicilian dish I describe, go to the ATM, contact Buddah, book a session, and let her fuck your brains out.

IF you are calling BS on the activities described, see any lady I have seen and they will confirm that I do deserve my handle, and yes, I do have prowess at making women squirt. If you would like an instructional video, I know a guy, that knows a guy, that knows a guy that watched a video fall off the back of a truck ans sells a fantastic "how to" video (along with a bunch of other bootleg porn) that I can put you in touch with for you to purchase. Send me a PM for a link to his inventory list.

IF you are just being a foolish Puck, well if you dare, Orion will be glad to slap you around, if you have the balls, over where that sort of shit belongs: [b]The Octagon. [/b]

You have 48 hours to clarify or retract your quack, after that, your ass shall be shredded in the Octagon.

-PD.

[blue]PD asked me to amend this to the post "Can you change the timestamp or placement on my reply to that guy. It now looks like I beat the shit out of him after he apologized, since it was posted late." He didn't want this to look like he posted it after the guy made his manners. [/blue][/QUOTE]

Bravo!

Good post. Good sentiments.

[QUOTE=Vicsajo;1760225]Some people think this site is all about good intel. That somehow this site can help men find women for sex. What's wrong with those people? Aren't all the guys here much more interested in reading about some other guys thrumming cock and how almost blew his load at the mention of. Etc etc. All the normal intel stuff is just plain boring. I know I'd rather read good long diatribe about somebody else purported sexual prowess. Geez. Now some newer members forget to embellish their intel with a blow by blow (no pun intended) account of their encounter with a lady. Damn noobs. One day they will eventually understand what it means to have senior standing on the board. That the number of posts you have on the board not only testifies to your knowledge of the hobby. But makes you an incontestable expert on the art of sex. Now. Will somebody please tell me whose ass I'm supposed to kiss?. Boy I hope it's Sasha's.[/QUOTE]

Just curious why so many of you kiss phatdaty's ass. The admiration some of you express for him borders on some weird homo incest vibe.

[QUOTE=Vicsajo;1760225]Some people think this site is all about good intel. That somehow this site can help men find women for sex. What's wrong with those people? Aren't all the guys here much more interested in reading about some other guys thrumming cock and how almost blew his load at the mention of. Etc etc. All the normal intel stuff is just plain boring. I know I'd rather read good long diatribe about somebody else purported sexual prowess. Geez. Now some newer members forget to embellish their intel with a blow by blow (no pun intended) account of their encounter with a lady. Damn noobs. One day they will eventually understand what it means to have senior standing on the board. That the number of posts you have on the board not only testifies to your knowledge of the hobby. But makes you an incontestable expert on the art of sex. Now. Will somebody please tell me whose ass I'm supposed to kiss?. Boy I hope it's Sasha's.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Cincyeast52; 1760335]Bravo!

Good post. Good sentiments.[/QUOTE]Can you two take a break from sucking each other's dicks for a moment and pay attention to board protocol?

You two dumbasses should know better than to clutter up the fucking review section with your bullshit. If you feel the need to take a dump, squat and shit here in this nice commode A2 has made for you.

You two clowns should know better by now than to clutter the fucking review section with your bitching and moaning.

I am sorry if I am better fuck than you, and have more money to spend in the hobby than you do, but hey, if you feel the need to get your panties in a twist over it, at least do it in the correct fucking section of the board!

Thanks,

-PD