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[QUOTE=LoveLOS]I'm gonna kill that wabbit!
Jake, clean up your PM box. That means you can delete all those unanswered PM's from Guys with two posts asking for the key to Neverland. :p
LL[/QUOTE]
Hey...how'd you know that was what filled up my mailbox?
Thinking of going to Neverland today, thinking about playing some 21 and doubling down with Tink.
I will of course give all you fellow mongers a follow up in the afterglow.
Here it is:
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Useastcoastguy
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Hi,
I'm a newcomer to the site, and I read your report of an experience I'd love to duplicate. But I don't understand how one finds out where the location is for the experience. So please clue me in if possible. Thanks.
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Anybody care to reply?
Van
[QUOTE=VanDriver]Here it is:
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Useastcoastguy
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Hi,
I'm a newcomer to the site, and I read your report of an experience I'd love to duplicate. But I don't understand how one finds out where the location is for the experience. So please clue me in if possible. Thanks.
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Anybody care to reply?
Van[/QUOTE]In CT I get chastised if I tell a guy with zero posts who PMs me with questions to go fuck his mother. I think you can get away with it in DC.
[QUOTE=Wtf 411]Breaking news!
It seems that Sun has shut its doors for good.
My buddy and I decided to visit Sun tonight. No one answered the door?
He made a call, to supposedly one of the owners.
The owner told him that they closed the doors today.
Apparently, the owner of the building came by with an attorney and asked them to close their doors for good.
This may be the final chapter of the Sun Land.
To another breaking news!
ML in Maryland was busted last night. It seems like a pretty big bust!
The LE's were joined with INS and possibly, FBI to raid the place.
It seems that the moon has set for good.
Another fellow monger gave me the news. He stated that there were quite a few LE's coming in and out of the place.
He was just thankful, that he got there after the raid had started.
He joked that, he could have gotten caught with his pants down. LOL.
For all you mongers, who have been to those two places?
Please, take a moment of silence.
To remember all those bare assed soldiers, who had sacrificed their ass to fight for our "NUT"
WTF[/QUOTE]Thats a roger. The Sun has set in DC for now. Too bad cause it was going to be a treat. Oh well, so was GHC and who knows where.
PC out
When you assess whether a guy is a newbie on the forum or not, remember that posts are counted independantly whether you post on the US forum or international.
For instance, I appear with one post on the US forum, while I have posted more than 100 reports on the International forum.
I feel that if I am in the US and ask for info, you should consider the global post numbers. And not laugh at people who according to your shortsighted view have few posts, when in fact they are veterans on other threads. And you may be happy to have info when you travel outside the US as well.
Brevity is the soul of wit. Or something like that.
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Useastcoastguy
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Hi,
I'm a newcomer to the site, and I read your report of an experience I'd love to duplicate. But I don't understand how one finds out where the location is for the experience. So please clue me in if possible. Thanks.
[email]Useastcoastguy@yahoo.com[/email]
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[quote=Sarang]In CT I get chastised if I tell a guy with zero posts who PMs me with questions to go fuck his mother. I think you can get away with it in DC.[/quote]
Zero Post Newbie,
Go fuck your mother.
- Benchseats Rock
Me and my boys just got from a long tour of duty (see below) and are looking for a great place to get a good massage in DC tonight/tomorrow. We're in town for a few days and its been a long f'ing time!
One of my buddy's best friend gave him this website and said we would be able to find some good info. From the looks of your postings, it appears that no info is available for "newbies". I've never posted a damn thing! However, recognizing the circumstances I thought you may be able to help some vets out. Where the hell is this place with Wendy, Pink, etc?
No offense taken if you guys can't help us out. I'm sure we'll find something.
Respectfully,
SF
[url]http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=6442169[/url]
You should try some online phone books. Then call some massage places or spas. If an asian sounding lady answers the phone, that may be a good sign. Ask if they have a table shower or a sauna. Go check it out. Then post some useful information instead of a line of bullshit.
And another thing. This forum is not a fucking service. It is the fruit of the labor of hard working group dedicated consumers. Its an exchange of information. The fruits are not for the picking by lazy bastards not willing to go out and do a bit of research.
This is my advice for all noobz. This is how I got my start in DC when I lived in another city far away. Guess what. It worked!
Sincerely,
PussProwler
PS You may want to bring some extra money with you for a tip.
[QUOTE=Dcillini]Hey,
I'm a new registrant to this service. I have visited a few AMPs in DC and NOVA and had a great time (although some experiences were better than others). I haven't been out in several months - since before the reported bust on a few locations in DC. I'm looking to head back out again now.
I'm wondering if it's still safe to head out - what it the news of these busts. Also, I know one location I had been to was included in the bust and I read online the other day that a 2nd location I had been to was also shut down. Can someone recommend some good locations to me - I know of a couple but I'm not sure they are still among the best. I know we don't want to post all this info out in the open (where those who don't believe in freedom might be watching), so if you want to him me up via a private message or email please do so - we can share some suggested location.
Thanks,
DC Illini[/QUOTE]
My friend,
All the members here have paid thier dues to get this info here. I personally thought that hey, this is free info when in fact, cost me ashitload of money. Some of the board members tend to "FLAME" folks when they ask silly quips when RTFF works.
Mongering in DC is not free and Mongering info here although here in the forum, isnt FREE either. You have to first, contribute valid intel. 2nd, share more than twice and finally, have the shit you write make sense.
My .002 c
PC out
[QUOTE=Dcillini]Hey,
I just joined this service. I'm glad to have the opportunity to converse with fellow hobbiests.
I have visited three different AMPs in DC and Norther VA, and had pretty good luck each time (some experiences better than others). Although, I haven't been out since the report several months ago of the bust on a couple locations (one which I had visited). Now however, I'm looking to head back out for another good time.
I realize we don't want some eyes on this site to see everything - so if you have some good suggestions of the best places to head to these days feel free to email me and we can share some suggestions.
Thanks,
DC Illini[/QUOTE]
Of course, more than happy to do all your fucking research for you.
Just go to Neverland or Wonderland and ask for the most popular flavor of the month, and you'll be guaranteed the most fulfilling AMP experience of your life. If it sounds simple, it's because it is. If you don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, and everyone here knows that you don't, well, it would appear that you're just one more in a never ending line of lazy newbies with a sense of entitlement and no concept of earning your own way in the world.
I can see how this may frustrate you, but like you said, WE don't want some eyes on this site to see everything - and until you get off your ass and show the forum that you're capable of wiping it all by yourself, those eyes that we're concerned about are yours.
RTFF and show a little initiative, and after a while, if you're not suspected of being LE, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to figure out how to get some fairy dust of your own.
- Benchseats Rock
[QUOTE=Strike Fighter]Me and my boys just got from a long tour of duty and are looking for a great place to get a good massage in DC tonight/tomorrow. We're in town for a few days and its been a long f'ing time!
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It would not be appropriate to give you the location of Neverland or Wonderland at this time. On the other hand, I do respect what you and your buddy's have done for us, so there is some info in your Private Messages Box.
I use the PM since there are others that lurk here and contribute nothing that need to do their own digging. Effectively, I'm calling your military service a worthy contribution.
Please also read the next post up. It should help a lot if you are new to the AMP scene.
Enjoy,
LoveLOS
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Dreamer,
Welcome to the DC board. Thank you for the report, which was your first here in the USA. I wanted to address your opening lines and, for lack of better words, [b]your flame bait[/b]:
[QUOTE=Dreams]I read all the crap on this thread form all those DC vets ...
Seems you want to keep all those info for yourselves, that's your right, although not in the spirit of sharing info which should be the rule on this forum.
Anyway, I am not as selfish... [yada,yada,yada][/QUOTE]I am apparently one of those selfish "DC Vets" that you have pigeonholed as posting a bunch of crap and not sharing. So to your comments, I say fuck you very much.
Of course, the DC Vets that you accuse of not sharing have posted the vast majority of the information and reports that make this the best Massage parlor thread on USG. I am truly fucking sorry I don't have the money or time to try all the girls in all the AMPs so I can give you a scientific comparison along with all their cell phone numbers (although if you send the money, I will find the time ;) ).
If you would have taken the time to understand the issues in DC, you would realize why us selfish DC vets have chosen to do business the way we have:[list=1][*]LE monitoring the board is an ever-present concern-we lost all of our AMPs for months in the last raids.[*]Places like Neverland get 3-8 doorbell rings an hour, and they only have 5 girls on a good day. They are over capacity! It is a good thing and we wish to protect it.[*]We share by PMs to contributing members. It is a judgment call, but the level of information is based on the credibility the member brings to the board.[*]The RULE ON THIS FORUM is that this forum is what we make it (as long as we play using El Hefe's rules, which we generally observe)[/list][quote]I feel that if I am in the US and ask for info, you should consider the global post numbers. [/quote] I agree. I respect you as an ISG senior, but your expectation that we check every newbie post against the ISG site is, well, dumb as hell. It is up to you, the ISG Senior member, to mention your credentials when seeking information.
I did check your claim to be an quality ISG senior member, (your registration dates are the same for both sites, so I know you are the same person) and knowing that, I would have gladly passed you any intel [b]by PM[/b]. Unfortunately, I didn't see your name in my inbox.
I suggest being polite like several genuine newbies I have recently had the pleasure of welcoming this very week (Striker and WTF come to mind immediately, there are others if you RTFF). In short, your cavalier attitude has scored you no points with the "DC vets." OTOH, If you choose to play nice with us, I for one have a short memory and would love to have you as part of the community rather than a pissed off outsider. It is your call, my friend.
LoveLOS
I did not write this, but it occurred to me that with all the newbies asking stuff, we need some definitive general background stuff for them to read. I will also be linking to this from the [post=530040]Reports of Distinction[/post] so we can find it more easily.
[url=http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/newpage.html]Additional reading about AMPs in general[/url] (quoted below) with [post=92355]comments by one of the masters[/post].
[color=red]Editors (LL's) notes in Red[/color][Quote=Randy Boise, Randy's Guide to Asian Massage Parlors, 2/11/2002] I've been visiting Asian Massage Parlors (AMP) for years now, having gotten my first taste as schoolboy in an Asian Country. While they don't always deliver a 100-year flood kind of experience, they are great for their availability, cost and general quality. Numerous people have commented about bad experiences in AMPs but I believe, that in the large, they just didn't know how to go about getting what they wanted. Out of literally hundreds of visits, I've had only one bad experience (she thought I was a cop or something) in an AMP and the Mamasan wanted to make it up to me.
Disclaimer. This guide does not encourage you to take part in any illegal activity.
[b]The setup[/b]
AMPs everywhere are amazingly similar in their structure and operation. It usually consists of a small entry area with a services/prices sign, doorbell button and a small window. Inside, it's usually a warren of corridors and small rooms. Some (like Golden Flower, in SF) have a waiting area inside where you can pick out your girl. They often have a separate exit where you can leave and avoid the next guy coming in.
[b]Costs[/b]
Your mileage will vary but typically, the basic service (massage, body shampoo, …) will cost as little as $ 40 for a half hour to $ 80 for an hour. [color=red]DC standard fare is $60/hr[/color] There are lots of variations so you will need to think on your feet. I prefer to opt for the lower cost entry fee and give more tip money to the girl. For additional services, you will negotiate with the girl for her tips (more on this later). Full service, if available, usually runs $ 100 to $ 120. [color=red]DC standard fare is $100[/color] For oral, its usually $ 60-80 and a hand release is typically $ 40 but sometimes can be had for the basic package price.
Many places have additional services like body shampoo, spa/hot tub, sauna, etc. These can be really great additions. For example, body shampoo can be very fun. It usually consists of her washing you all over but is a great prelude to the off-menu extras.
Your total price will often be affected by local pricing. San Francisco pricing is always a bit above the average. For example, Golden Flower girls usually ask for 140-160 for extras (meaning closer to $ 200 total). So, you wont pay much below $ 140 but should never pay more than $ 200. The fancier the place, the higher the price.
I suggest you leave your wallet in your car or home or what ever. Take only enough money to cover what you want. She can't shake you down for money you don't have.
[b]Getting In[/b]
Your first goal is to get past the entry area. You enter, ring the bell and wait nervously while some one comes to greet you. It's often the Mamasan. She usually weighs about 200 lbs and has an unfriendly demeanor. In some places, the next available girl greets you. Usually she says "what you want?". Here's where you need to be creative. Your goal is to become her friend.
If you know nothing about the place, ask for what ever appears to be their standard "legit" offering. Like body shampoo or massage or hot towel wrap. You get the picture. Never ask for a service that isn't on the menu. I once asked for a massage and they said "no have massage". After some uh-ing and ah-ing I got inside but it was very uncomfortable. Never, ever ask for anything illegal. You'll be back on your way in no time flat! Also, you don't need to opt for the 1 hr service, there appears to be little enforcement of the time.
If you have read reviews and know a girl's name, ask for her. I usually try to pick a review that is old enough so there is a good chance she's not there anymore. You will get something like "she not here now". I usually say, "that's too bad, she was really nice". Then ask who else is available. A couple of times, I've gotten the girl that I asked for. I just play along. She's probably seen hundreds of guys and she doesn't want to upset you so she'll play along too.
In either case you will get The Question. "You been here before?" There is only one correct answer – Yes. (OK, if it's a BRANDNEW place, maybe not.) The reason for this is that they will often put you through a much more stringent test (more on this later) but more importantly, you wont get their best girl. Repeat customers get better service.
This is often followed by "who you see?". Be creative. Forgetting her name is always ok. Describe an average Asian woman. Be calm and deliver it smoothly. Unless you look like Law Enforcement, you wont get the third degree. One time I asked for a girl I had seen and Mamasan said "nobody that name ever here". I just shrugged and said, "I must be wrong about the name". I got in.
At this point you may be asked to pay for the service you selected. Sometimes they bring your change later so don't be alarmed if they don't give it immediately. One thing that is very good is to give Mamasan a tip. Ten or twenty dollars goes a long way towards making her like you and picking a better girl for you. I had one MamaSan really like me a lot – she'd hug me when I left and I always got her best girls. All for a measly $ 20. Good investment, huh? Also, it doesn't hurt to let them see your tip money when you pay for the room. Just another signal that you are real.
In some AMPs, the girl will take a lump sum payment for the room and extras at the start. That is always a good sign but be aware that there is a risk that they aren't a full service place.
Never, ever mention reviews or the internet. I have heard of guys being turned away at that point. These outfits want to fly under the radar so any kind of publicity is bad in their minds. Also, remember to smile at her. She's human.
[b]The Room[/b]
OK, so you made it past the Mamasan! There are usually 2 possibilities: you get shown to a room or you get to make your girl selection. You can figure out how to pick a girl on your own. Just one thing, I never pick the prettiest girl (unless the rest are all total woofers). This is because all the guys pick her and you are much more likely to get great service from number 2 or 3. She will then take you to the room.
If you get shown to the room, it means Mamasan is making the selection for you or the girl that met you is yours. The room is usually about the size of a walk-in closet with a massage table, maybe a chair and a little table to put stuff on. They all seem to have that St Vincent DePaul ambiance. After some chit-chat she will probably tell you to disrobe or get comfortable or something similar and then leave. Some times this is where the money for basic service gets taken. Once you are alone in the room, disrobe immediately. This is very important. Getting naked is the first sign that you are a real customer. It's ok to put a towel on but let her see your cock by being "careless" with the towel. This is essential to establishing a level of trust between you and her. At a new place, I will often take my tip money out and put on the table. That's a good signal.
At some point you will be offered a shower, body shampoo or similar. You should take it. There are several reasons for this. Cleanliness is very important to Asians. If she washes you, it can be fun and help send the right signals (see below). It helps to establish you as a real customer.
[b]The Test[/b]
Your girl will enter the room to start the basic service. It is critical that you let her know that you're a hobbyist. You should try to give her a hug at some point. Body contact is always a good way to send the right signals. I usually try to run my hands over her ass while hugging. Having an erection she can feel is very helpful as well. If it's a massage, you will lie on your stomach and she will start doing her thing. She will ask you questions (who you see, where you live, where you work, …). They are designed to give her a sense of you. At this point you need to be sending signals to her that you are looking for more than a massage. Here are some things that seem to work: Have an erection; Drop your hand down and rub her legs as she massages you; Make satisfied sounds when she rubs you ass; Hump your ass up every time she gets near it. I particularly like ass play. She will often focus on it and it can lead to some fun. By the way, at that point, you've probably passed the test.
I've had some fun tests. One girl walked up to me as I sat on the massage table and pulled her shirt up. I buried my face in her boobs and we were off to the races. Some times the initial hug can turn into heavy foreplay. Just keep your wits about you and don't hesitate to take some gentle liberties.
[b]Extras[/b]
Assuming you have passed the test, she will ask you what else you want. Often this happens after she is done massaging your back and flips you over. I usually whisper in her ear "everything". Then she will ask how much you want to pay. I often start at 80 and settle for 100. She will try for 120 or 140. They almost always settle for 100 but more popular girls can command a higher price. Girls in the fancier places always ask for more. Also, if you've been really nice, she may go a little easy on the price. What ever you do, never pay 80 or more for less than full service. This changes their pricing structure and makes it hard to get good service at reasonable prices. Some times they don't even talk price – that means she trusts you. Make sure you compensate her fairly in that case.
Some times the above dance gets cut short. She may decide that you are legit and go straight for the extras. I've had this happen a number of times and while it makes it a little easier, I actually enjoy the dance. The good ones will often give you the basic service even if you got the extras up front however, a fair number of the girls want to move you along as soon as possible.
[b]Special Situations[/b]
Some times you will just get a girl that doesn't do extras. No amount of signals help. That's life. Don't be rude or angry. You should get the basic service you agreed on, though. Note that you may have sent the wrong signals. She will let you know if she's not available for extras by rejecting your signals. It will be obvious. However, they sometimes do this if they still aren't sure about you yet. So don't give up immediately.
If you want special things like kissing, Greek, etc., you will need to ask the girl about them when negotiating. Note that these are fairly rare but it doesn't hurt to ask.
Sometimes they give you a real hound. I've never had an absolute dog but several that weren't "my type". It's your right to say no and ask for some one else. Keep in mind that this doesn't always lead to getting a better-looking woman and, in my opinion, almost never leads to a good experience. So, I usually walk out in that case. Some times they offer some one else at that point. Be nice about it and act sad but not angry. They usually do want to keep you happy.
What about a visit from Law Enforcement? This happens from time to time. Given the structure of how people gain admission, its likely that this will not be a totally rude surprise and you will have time to prepare for a visitor in your room. Stay calm. There is nothing illegal about getting a massage or sauna or what ever. This actually happened to me during, shall we say, a very inappropriate moment. There was a signal that I missed but she didn't. I put a towel on and sat on the massage table for what seemed like an hour. The fellow that entered the room was polite and only asked me a few questions. I complained about not getting my massage yet and he moved on. After they left, we finished up!
[b]Finding an AMP[/b]
[color=red]Go to Reports of Distinction and look up the address of the AMP you see reported about here.[/color] They are everywhere! I've found them in every major North American city I've ever visited and lots of smaller towns have them as well. A stroll through the phone book usually helps. You can usually tell by their name. It often is some Asian sounding name. Some of them use works like Spa, Acupressure, Sauna, Massage, etc in the name. Places that use terms like LMP (Licensed Massage Provider) or your local equivalent typically aren't an AMP. Though, I have visited a couple that had LMP on the sign. They are usually in somewhat run down buildings in strip malls and such. Typically, all the windows are curtained off and the outside lighting is dim.
The Internet is a great place to do your research. [color=red]USA Sex Guide,[/color] Tbe Big Doggie, The Erotic Review, Usenet and numerous other sites have lots of good information. You will be able to find places that have what you are looking for and even get girl's names. My current favorite AMP girl is one I found that way.
[b]Treat the Ladies Well[/b]
Please, please, please, do not treat these girls badly. They are people and have feelings. A lot of them are illegal aliens and spend nearly their entire time in America (or where ever) in the parlor. They sleep there, eat there, and work there. You will get a much better experience if you are kind to them.
[b]Conclusion[/b]
There are lots of great AMPs out there. Don't hesitate to try it out. [/quote]
Like Spearguy, who originally posted this link, I agree that you need to ask for the 45min to 1 hour option unless they know you and you have the time. It gives more time for the "dance," and they are enforcing the short times more often now.
I also disagree with the notion of tipping the mamasan.
LoveLOS
[QUOTE=LoveLOS] I am truly fucking sorry I don't have the money or time to try all the girls in all the AMPs so I can give you a scientific comparison along with all their cell phone numbers (although if you send the money, I will find the time ;) ).
LoveLOS[/QUOTE]
LoveLOS, mi amigo, I can't let you undertake this daunting task on your own. Therefore I, the Laxman, will share your burden of compiling all the information on every AMP girl in DC. That is of course assuming that Dreamer supplies the $$ :D
SMWSLT
Lax
Everything posted below is really good advice.
Except that I do not tip the manager cash at all, ever.
Once I find a place I like I may stop by a grocery store and buy a bag of oranges or clementines or something and give that to her as soon as she lets me in the facility.
I always makes sounds during the massage. Little grunts and soft moans when the specific parts are touched tells her she is doing a good job and is making me feel really nice.
I ALWAYS compliment her on her beauty! Even if she is not all that great looking it is wise to say something nice about her face, hair, and especially soft skin.
I seldom see the same girl more than once in a row. The only exception in fairly recent history was Sue who used to be at Sakura who was just perfect at everything! But, she disappeared after all the busts went down a while back.
When the house fee is more than $60 for the hour I always complain about it and tell them that forces me to reduce the tip for the girl. Once (and ONLY once) I was able to get the $80 session for $60. The session went very well but the next time I went I complained but the price did not go down.
Lastly - if anyone has any questions not covered in this batch of posting just post the question. Know that none of the girls in any of these places EVER does anything illegal so NEVER ask about such things.
If you are nice and tip properly you will get a wonderful massage or toning or stretching session where you can close your eyes and drift off into the fantasy land we all speak of here.
JJ
[QUOTE=LoveLOS]I did not write this, but it occurred to me that with all the newbies asking stuff, we need some definitive general background stuff for them to read. I will also be linking to this from the [post=530040]Reports of Distinction[/post] so we can find it more easily.
[url=http://members.lycos.co.uk/ampdude/newpage.html]Additional reading about AMPs in general[/url] (quoted below) with [post=92355]comments by one of the masters[/post].
[color=red]Editors (LL's) notes in Red[/color]
Like Spearguy, who originally posted this link, I agree that you need to ask for the 45min to 1 hour option unless they know you and you have the time. It gives more time for the "dance," and they are enforcing the short times more often now.
I also disagree with the notion of tipping the mamasan.
LoveLOS[/QUOTE]