The Raleigh area "Sugar Bowl" (SA, WYP, SD4 ME)

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3857978]Sorry Pubb, but I echo the previous poster that there is NO WAY that anyone should command 4 to 6 bills in this area, unless she's staying the weekend and also cleaning my house. I've only gone as high as 3 once, and she was a legitimate 6 foot tall Brazillian model with DD's that did everything I wanted for a few hours at a time. Otherwise I'm ALWAYS paying 2 bills or less for multi hour fun times with unbelievably HOT college girls (currently I have two 18 year olds I see), and it's all because I put the effort to be nice to them and make that connection they're looking for while everyone else seems to do the opposite. If you have that kind of bankroll and want to spend it every meet then go for it, but you can easily cut that in half and get better quality girls than you're getting now (clean and well groomed) just by developing some game. Good luck!

Yaya.[/QUOTE]Hmmm.

Every one I contacted has asked for 5, most have turned down my request of 2 hours or more at that rate.

Granted most are not even worth 2 I call bs on your post unless you want to bring up the names of the ones that are accepting.

Your short money offers.

I have posted names on every one of my meetings where you are generalizing and boasting. Give us some names and your post.

Will be credible otherwise it means nothing.

[QUOTE=MedJohnson;3858481]If I had the time and energy to bring that much game, I wouldn't be paying, other than buying dinner. I don't get bringing game and p4 p. Plus, I'm not in the bowl for a relationship, just young wet kitty.

Med.[/QUOTE]I have a SO so not looking for a relationship either. Just saying that if you're not creepy in your approach it'll help land the girls that get scared off the site after a week or two.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3858850]Hmmm.

Every one I contacted has asked for 5, most have turned down my request of 2 hours or more at that rate.

Granted most are not even worth 2 I call bs on your post unless you want to bring up the names of the ones that are accepting.

Your short money offers.

I have posted names on every one of my meetings where you are generalizing and boasting. Give us some names and your post.

Will be credible otherwise it means nothing.[/QUOTE]Can't comment as I don't know your approach or experience. I never discuss allowance until we've met face to face (where it's harder for them to negotiate), and only in the context of 'helping with their bills'. Likewise, when time comes up it's always 'a couple of hours should do it'. I'm not boasting or saying I haven't met or attempted something with girls that ask for 4 or 5 bills and won't come down, I'm just saying that my years of experience in the bowl has taught me to never go for it because there are always plenty of girls that will go for much less. Good luck!

Yaya.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3858902]Can't comment as I don't know your approach or experience. I never discuss allowance until we've met face to face (where it's harder for them to negotiate), and only in the context of 'helping with their bills'. Likewise, when time comes up it's always 'a couple of hours should do it'. I'm not boasting or saying I haven't met or attempted something with girls that ask for 4 or 5 bills and won't come down, I'm just saying that my years of experience in the bowl has taught me to never go for it because there are always plenty of girls that will go for much less. Good luck!

Yaya.[/QUOTE]Again, if you want to contribute to the board give the names of the ones you met. I certainly have and consider it useful to others.

Seems to want 5 for a 30 minute visit. Laughable

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3860423]Seems to want 5 for a 30 minute visit. Laughable[/QUOTE]At least she responded to you. Seems most of the ones I message just ignore me and that's before they figure out how ugly I am. LOL.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3859110]Again, if you want to contribute to the board give the names of the ones you met. I certainly have and consider it useful to others.[/QUOTE]Sorry that my input was not to your liking. However, I've learned a LOT through personal experience over the years and I'm happy to share what has worked and not worked in the bowl. I'm sure that there are plenty of brothers reading this forum and elsewhere on this site that would appreciate tips on how to increase their chances of getting laid with their desired SB while saving some benjamins in the process. If that's not you, then that's fine too.

I've reviewed girls in the past that were active on the site at the time, have exchanged details privately with trusted senior members, and have even been burned by white knights trying to curry favor with a SB I've posted about. Both girls I'm currently seeing closed their SA accounts immediately after starting things with me because their needs are being met so there are no links to share. Happy hunting!

Yaya.

I'm out of contact for a few weeks, and come to see Yaya getting questioned, borderline rant? Let's all take a step back and work to better understand the bowl. This is not backpage, although some have leaked into this space.

Most girls in the bowl are either actual college girls looking for 1 or 2 guys to help them out, and others are UTR. Neither of which appreciate specific names being shared among other guys. They are not working girls, just girls looking to have some fun and payoff some debt.

As for rates, I have has several ask for 400 to 500, but never once paid over 250 (once). Standard rate is 200, but that is lowered based on looks and ability for them to host. Sharing names here is not something I am comfortable with either, as I don't want to upset my SB (or two, or three.). I've PM'd with a few of the Sr's who are questioning the bowl, and would be happy to chat about approach and price in a not so public manner. I am in the middle of an extensive move, so maybe a little slow responding. I will also go back and try to find a few of the working girls. They change accounts regularly.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.

[QUOTE=YayaGogo;3860669]Sorry that my input was not to your liking. However, I've learned a LOT through personal experience over the years and I'm happy to share what has worked and not worked in the bowl. I'm sure that there are plenty of brothers reading this forum and elsewhere on this site that would appreciate tips on how to increase their chances of getting laid with their desired SB while saving some benjamins in the process. If that's not you, then that's fine too.

I've reviewed girls in the past that were active on the site at the time, have exchanged details privately with trusted senior members, and have even been burned by white knights trying to curry favor with a SB I've posted about. Both girls I'm currently seeing closed their SA accounts immediately after starting things with me because their needs are being met so there are no links to share. Happy hunting!

Yaya.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gibbs70;3861591]I'm out of contact for a few weeks, and come to see Yaya getting questioned, borderline rant? Let's all take a step back and work to better understand the bowl. This is not backpage, although some have leaked into this space.

Most girls in the bowl are either actual college girls looking for 1 or 2 guys to help them out, and others are UTR. Neither of which appreciate specific names being shared among other guys. They are not working girls, just girls looking to have some fun and payoff some debt.

As for rates, I have has several ask for 400 to 500, but never once paid over 250 (once). Standard rate is 200, but that is lowered based on looks and ability for them to host. Sharing names here is not something I am comfortable with either, as I don't want to upset my SB (or two, or three.). I've PM'd with a few of the Sr's who are questioning the bowl, and would be happy to chat about approach and price in a not so public manner. I am in the middle of an extensive move, so maybe a little slow responding. I will also go back and try to find a few of the working girls. They change accounts regularly.

Stay safe,

Gibbs.[/QUOTE]This information is simply false. The standard on SA is 500 and what you can get for it is up for negotiation. In my time on there I have not found one able to host, sometimes the only way to get a response from them is to offer them 200 and they will respond back that your cheap and they know their worth. Let's not kid anybody that site is a ffm site, now some of the girls may be pretentious about it but in the end they know what they have to do to extract money from the guys.

You can believe as you wish, and move on. More college sweetness for me. Enough on this topic from me, and I wish you the best in whatever site you move on to.

[QUOTE=Pubb69;3861960]This information is simply false. The standard on SA is 500 and what you can get for it is up for negotiation. In my time on there I have not found one able to host, sometimes the only way to get a response from them is to offer them 200 and they will respond back that your cheap and they know their worth. Let's not kid anybody that site is a ffm site, now some of the girls may be pretentious about it but in the end they know what they have to do to extract money from the guys.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gibbs70;3862395]You can believe as you wish, and move on. More college sweetness for me. Enough on this topic from me, and I wish you the best in whatever site you move on to.[/QUOTE]My experience has been the same as Gibbs. There are all kinds on there-I've come across some that are BP girls and some that are way too expensive for me and won't budge but there are A LOT of ladies on there that just want to have some fun with one guy who helps them out some-plenty can host-some can't or won't-just have to put in some time.

[QUOTE=NepKng;3864204]My experience has been the same as Gibbs. There are all kinds on there-I've come across some that are BP girls and some that are way too expensive for me and won't budge but there are A LOT of ladies on there that just want to have some fun with one guy who helps them out some-plenty can host-some can't or won't-just have to put in some time.[/QUOTE]The idea of this site is to exchange useful information and to that end I will at least list the rip offs and ones to avoid as well as the ones that are decent. To come on here and state that you have a haven of hot college age girls and state that you scored them because you had "game' serves nobody.

Having played in the bowl a bit, I will give my (relatively worthless) opinion on allowances. I only ever talk pay per meet.

When I have tried to negotiate via PM / text / email, I have seen much higher numbers. Usually 500+. I assume because the girl wants more of a guarantee before she has actually put any work in. I usually counter with 200 and things get sour.

When I have arranged a meet without talking money (I tend to do coffee or a drink), I have been able to open negotiations at a much lower number. I assume because the girl is already here, she's put in some work, and she wants to get something out of it. I have stuck to 200 for an ok girl who cannot host. 250 max for a hottie. If she doesn't come down, I walk.

That being said, I haven't played in the bowl for a while. Too much other stuff going on, and I don't have the time for all the bullshit and effort required.

Good luck out there.

[QUOTE=Triptogamont;3864483]Having played in the bowl a bit, I will give my (relatively worthless) opinion on allowances. I only ever talk pay per meet.

When I have tried to negotiate via PM / text / email, I have seen much higher numbers. Usually 500+. I assume because the girl wants more of a guarantee before she has actually put any work in. I usually counter with 200 and things get sour.

When I have arranged a meet without talking money (I tend to do coffee or a drink), I have been able to open negotiations at a much lower number. I assume because the girl is already here, she's put in some work, and she wants to get something out of it. I have stuck to 200 for an ok girl who cannot host. 250 max for a hottie. If she doesn't come down, I walk.

That being said, I haven't played in the bowl for a while. Too much other stuff going on, and I don't have the time for all the bullshit and effort required.

Good luck out there.[/QUOTE]The last part about B. S. And effort rings true. The truth of the matter is these women on SA have lower morals than escorts and rub providers. They know they are out there selling themselves but because of the nature of the site they think it allows them to play games with the ridiculous asking fees for essentially promises of nothing, essentially the majority are on there looking to get their bills paid for free by some sucker that buys their b. S. When they make these insane requests I always ask what can you do for me for that type of money, most don't even attempt to answer because they cannot.

I talked to her for about 2 weeks. All was going well so I setup a m&g to pick her up at her job after work. I arrived and she ghosted. Never heard from her again.

Very very few people who would have fit anywhere near her profile in the area. I spotted only one person eying me hard enough to be her. She was older and had a potbelly. It was dark enough that she would not get too much on me.

Stay safe!