Massage Parlor Reports

[QUOTE=Kbbz213;5434766]So sometimes we all want a real massage right? After weeks of being sore due to my job and feeling stiffness all around I felt like treating myself to a 90 minute, deep tissue massage.

I call and set up an appointment show up and choose my package. There is even a sign saying "this is a real massage, blah blah don't ask, blah blah ".

Anyway long story short, before going into my room, I've been asked " have you been here before" I'm getting flashbacks of rubntug spots asking me, that. Perhaps they're genuinely curious.

Then in comes my masseuse. She's pretty damn hot. Prolly late 20's, 5'4 and decentish body. I say this because she wasn't wearing anything revealing, but you'd be able under her outfit.

She's asked me as well if I've been there, I say yes just cause.

Anyway, the massage was great. She stretched me and is really great with her hands. There were times I just wanted to grab her, but remembered this is a legit place.

My question is: if I visit her on a regular basis, will I be able to get something more?

How can I indicate I want something more.

P.S.: I already tip her more than 20 percent.

Thanks in advance everyone.[/QUOTE]And I'll tell you if you even remotely hinted that you wanted something like that, the provider would walk out of the room, your service would be over with no refund, and we'd throw your ass out the door quicker than you could blink. You'd be permanently banned from returning, and every other location in our chain would see the notes from your visit and would most likely deny you appointments in the future. If I had a provider working for me who I thought was providing extras she'd be fired on the spot and entered into a misconduct database so no other locations hire her. We invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in opening our spas and aren't going to put any of that at risk for a handjob. If you want a great massage, go to a legit massage place. If you want a happy ending, go to a rub and tug.

Other things to be aware of: If you flat out ask for extras, you have committed solicitation and the spa could potentially press charges. If you touch or grab the girl you have committed sexual assault, and the establishment and/or the provider could press charges. Those are extreme cases but I know first hand of situations where it’s happened.

I wont deny that many of us, including myself, would love a great legit massage with a release, but theres reasons (both ethical and legal) why those two dont coexist, at least in this country.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5435659]And I'll tell you if you even remotely hinted that you wanted something like that, the provider would walk out of the room, your service would be over with no refund, and we'd throw your ass out the door quicker than you could blink. You'd be permanently banned from returning, and every other location in our chain would see the notes from your visit and would most likely deny you appointments in the future. If I had a provider working for me who I thought was providing extras she'd be fired on the spot and entered into a misconduct database so no other locations hire her. We invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in opening our spas and aren't going to put any of that at risk for a handjob. If you want a great massage, go to a legit massage place. If you want a happy ending, go to a rub and tug.

Other things to be aware of: If you flat out ask for extras, you have committed solicitation and the spa could potentially press charges. If you touch or grab the girl you have committed sexual assault, and the establishment and/or the provider could press charges. Those are extreme cases but I know first hand of situations where its happened.

I wont deny that many of us, including myself, would love a great legit massage with a release, but theres reasons (both ethical and legal) why those two dont coexist, at least in this country.[/QUOTE]I myself have gotten a handjob at a legit spa. But I knew the girl from a handjob collective. I am certain it happens, but you are dancing not close to the fire, but, rather in the middle of a critical mass of U238 to ask. I doubt you will be criminally prosecuted if you say. Do you offer special sexual services? I doubt they have any recording equipment and it is your word against hers (I assume a she), but I can imagine you will probably not be able to finish your VIP buy one get one free punchcard. Actually, you probably will be exited using your head to open the door. It is all about risk and reward. As for the question have you been here before, I have been asked that at restaurants, so that is not significant.

(I won't deny that many of us, including myself, would love a great legit massage with a release, but theres reasons (both ethical and legal) why those two don't coexist, at least in this country.

Perhaps not in Los Angeles but I am from Alaska and there are a number of places that offer great massage and a hand job. The masseuse is completely naked throughout the process unless they are asian then the clothes stay on. They give a thorough massage for about 1/2 hr to 40 minutes that at least one or two of them have put me to sleep during. Then on the flip they do a nice slow HE while you are free to let your hands roam. Some allow digits in the cooch and others only allow rubbing it with no insertion but more of them allow than not.

Actually about 10 or 12 years ago this was the standard massage experience in Anchorage. Oh and most are Caucasian. 25 yo to 45 yo and attactive.

I do know what you are saying though. In the AMP world it is difficult to find an great massage and hand job. In most place if that is what you want you have to make two different stops.

[QUOTE=PocoPene;5436257](I won't deny that many of us, including myself, would love a great legit massage with a release, but theres reasons (both ethical and legal) why those two don't coexist, at least in this country.

Perhaps not in Los Angeles but I am from Alaska and there are a number of places that offer great massage and a hand job. The masseuse is completely naked throughout the process unless they are asian then the clothes stay on. They give a thorough massage for about 1/2 hr to 40 minutes that at least one or two of them have put me to sleep during. Then on the flip they do a nice slow HE while you are free to let your hands roam. Some allow digits in the cooch and others only allow rubbing it with no insertion but more of them allow than not.

Actually about 10 or 12 years ago this was the standard massage experience in Anchorage. Oh and most are Caucasian. 25 yo to 45 yo and attactive.

I do know what you are saying though. In the AMP world it is difficult to find an great massage and hand job. In most place if that is what you want you have to make two different stops.[/QUOTE]That the girls doing that aren't really licensed massage therapists. There's a big difference between a therapeutic massage that actually gets into the muscles, and a relaxing rub that nearly puts you to sleep. The thing is, to get into massage therapy, it requires a minimum of 500 hours of training at a recognized massage school, and most reputable massage schools require much more than that. The cost of getting licensed averages around $10,000 - some schools are more and some are a little less. All it takes is to get caught once and your license is gone, and you'll never get another one in any state.

It's a very slippery slope. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors because there's no mics and cameras back there. BUT we do use secret shoppers. I have random people come in for massages, known only to me, just to make sure everything stays on the up and up back there. It's common practice, not because I like spying on people, but because of the "my word against theirs" situation. If anything were to come up, I can at least demonstrate that I have measures in place to prevent anything illegal from happening.

A couple weeks ago I did have a guy come in and grab the ass of of one of my MTs. She immediately walked out of the service, and was so shaken by that happening that I had to send her home for the rest of the day. She had 3 more appointments scheduled that day and nobody else was available to take them, so that jackass cost me a few hundred bucks and my employee 3 services worth of commissions. He then proceeded to post a 1-star review on Yelp about not getting what he came for, and he was promptly greeted by a nice little letter from my attorney informing him that if his review wasn't taken down immediately he would be facing assault charges, solicitation charges, and a libel suit. I don't take crap like that lightly. I'm here on this board because I do indulge in the hobby occasionally, but it is very much separated from the legit end of the business.

All that being said, are there girls in the legit industry who bend the rules? Sure. Within the constraints of an actual legit spa, sure, I can see it happening once in a while. Within the constraints of an a reputable legit spa, no. Owners just have far too much at stake. I literally have my life savings wrapped up in this business. Far too much to put at jeopardy over a few happy endings.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5436347]That the girls doing that aren't really licensed massage therapists. There's a big difference between a therapeutic massage that actually gets into the muscles, and a relaxing rub that nearly puts you to sleep. The thing is, to get into massage therapy, it requires a minimum of 500 hours of training at a recognized massage school, and most reputable massage schools require much more than that. The cost of getting licensed averages around $10,000 - some schools are more and some are a little less. All it takes is to get caught once and your license is gone, and you'll never get another one in any state.

It's a very slippery slope. We don't know what goes on behind closed doors because there's no mics and cameras back there. BUT we do use secret shoppers. I have random people come in for massages, known only to me, just to make sure everything stays on the up and up back there. It's common practice, not because I like spying on people, but because of the "my word against theirs" situation. If anything were to come up, I can at least demonstrate that I have measures in place to prevent anything illegal from happening.

A couple weeks ago I did have a guy come in and grab the ass of of one of my MTs. She immediately walked out of the service, and was so shaken by that happening that I had to send her home for the rest of the day. She had 3 more appointments scheduled that day and nobody else was available to take them, so that jackass cost me a few hundred bucks and my employee 3 services worth of commissions. He then proceeded to post a 1-star review on Yelp about not getting what he came for, and he was promptly greeted by a nice little letter from my attorney informing him that if his review wasn't taken down immediately he would be facing assault charges, solicitation charges, and a libel suit. I don't take crap like that lightly. I'm here on this board because I do indulge in the hobby occasionally, but it is very much separated from the legit end of the business.

All that being said, are there girls in the legit industry who bend the rules? Sure. Within the constraints of an actual legit spa, sure, I can see it happening once in a while. Within the constraints of an a reputable legit spa, no. Owners just have far too much at stake. I literally have my life savings wrapped up in this business. Far too much to put at jeopardy over a few happy endings.[/QUOTE]Not that it is a good idea to press for "extras" at a legit massage establishment. These women are in fact LMT's that's what makes it so delicious. You get a legit massage and a handjob. The first time I went (20 years ago) to one of these places it was for a legit massage and I was pretty surprised when the LMT told me to get on the table then she stripped to nothing and began a great massage that lasted 45 minutes then told me to "just relax" and started a handjob. I was in heaven.

But your point is well taken, I was just responding to your statement that legit massage and handjobs don't coexist in the USA. It's not the norm but it does exist.

Another night at goldfinger and more bullshit than an art show by a crack addict.

First, I get in and Julia and some other hag want to service me. I ask for Angela.

Out pops Angela out of a handjob module and take 50 from me. She tells me she needs ten minutes to knock the shit out of some dude, and she will return.

I waited, played some candy crush, and she came in.

In the meantime, some poor foocker asked for Angela and was told he should come back in a year. No soup for you.

Angela came in and gave me a very lengthy and unwelcome massage. She did not really do a good handie, but she was prolly tired.

Some fucker asked for the bathroom. I tell you it is a conspiracy. You assholes must time your entry to when I am in there.

Angela did some good ass work, but she covers your penor with her hand to avoid wall splattering.

I am on hiatus from the gold finger for a week. Enjoy the shitter.

[QUOTE=PocoPene;5437515]Not that it is a good idea to press for "extras" at a legit massage establishment. These women are in fact LMT's that's what makes it so delicious. You get a legit massage and a handjob. The first time I went (20 years ago) to one of these places it was for a legit massage and I was pretty surprised when the LMT told me to get on the table then she stripped to nothing and began a great massage that lasted 45 minutes then told me to "just relax" and started a handjob. I was in heaven.

But your point is well taken, I was just responding to your statement that legit massage and handjobs don't coexist in the USA. It's not the norm but it does exist.[/QUOTE]The only thing is there are a lot of massage schools that are paper mills. Basically fronts for meeting state licensing requirements for girls who want to go into the sex trade. In California you can get away with that right now, but it's very likely to change within the next couple years. California is one of only two states that doesn't have a state massage license, and the other is a state with more cows than people. In California it's a certification instead of a license. Some cities require the certificate to practice massage within their city limits and some don't. Guess which cities you find the most MPs in. Also, there are something like 350 massage schools recognized by the California government. The body that issues massage certifications only recognizes 75 of those. The ones that meet their stricter curriculum requirements. So in California, there are a lot of people who went to a massage school but still would have zero chance of getting hired by any reputable massage establishment because they don't have the right credentials.

Bottom line is if you're going to a Burke Williams, or Massage Envy, or Elements, or any of the other chain places. Or to any resort spa at a name brand hotel, your chances of getting anything extra are just about zero. Anybody who was providing extra there would get canned pretty quickly and would likely lose their certification and possibly face charges. If you're going to some smaller one-off studio you have more of a chance. I used to see someone in a private apartment in NoHo who gave a legit massage completely naked with a HJ finish, but that was quite a few years ago. There are a couple Asian providers working out of a small legit spa in Orange who give fully nude "legit" massages with a HJ. They both claim to be CMT or former CMT. One of them I wouldn't doubt. She has good technique. The other would never get hired at my spa. Her technique is not nearly good enough and I could tell that she wasn't really professionally trained.

Visited momo on WeHo.

-did not get a lineup, only one girl available.

-asian, age could have been anywhere between 18-45, she kept her mask on the whole time except for like 30 sec of CBJ, the parts I could see were reasonably attractive, she had a full and shapely bosom.

-4/10 back massage, her positioning was such that seemed to be actively avoiding either of our erogenous zones.

-her haggling was super annoying tbh. She asked what I wanted and I motioned to her vag, she asked how much tip, I said $100, she said more and I asked how much more and she just said more. Eventually she said $180 which is nonsense so I just asked for a BJ for $100 and surprise surprise she acquiesced to FS for $120 "just this once. " I had a hard time not rolling my eyes.

-CBJ was meh, CFS she just starfished with her eyes closed.

-honestly I'm very average looking, in good shape with good hygiene and a reasonably pleasant demeanor and the service I got was quite poor, I can't imagine how terrible a time you'd have if you're a old or fat guy.

I'm not going back there.

[QUOTE=Ashtonian;5432977]Checked out downey massage the other day.

I paid $60 entrance and $120 fee. I am a bad negotiator.

FS offered, girl was cute older Korean like 30s to 40s with work done. Wore a mask the whole time except for CBJ.

I would repeat but could have easily negotiated, sadly I didn't.[/QUOTE]Dude don't knock yourself out over it. Other have paid more and less. Crap happens.

Peace out.

Friends. Visiting LA from Chicago. Any advice on the best parlors to visit after 10 pm?

[QUOTE=SpartanKY;5442165]Friends. Visiting LA from Chicago. Any advice on the best parlors to visit after 10 pm?[/QUOTE]I think maybe 8xx5 Santa Monica is open late in west Hollywood.

If you are willing to go to fucken Downey or Torrance, maybe there are some later.

Rubratings and bed page have shitloads of ads.

I have gone to many legit spot and Independents. Literally have fuked my masseuse in legit spa after a few months of "courting". If they graze your twigs and berries often enough then its a green light. I wouldn't "grab" any gal maybe then lean their vagina into your elbow or shoulder? Stroking her is better than a "grab" and can be apologized away. Try to read the room, have some finesse. Listen with her actions they will tell you what's up. Speaking of which a rager is a good indicator to her without any ass grabbing or lewd questions.

[QUOTE=Grimmy23;5435659]And I'll tell you if you even remotely hinted that you wanted something like that, the provider would walk out of the room, your service would be over with no refund, and we'd throw your ass out the door quicker than you could blink. You'd be permanently banned from returning, and every other location in our chain would see the notes from your visit and would most likely deny you appointments in the future. If I had a provider working for me who I thought was providing extras she'd be fired on the spot and entered into a misconduct database so no other locations hire her. We invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in opening our spas and aren't going to put any of that at risk for a handjob. If you want a great massage, go to a legit massage place. If you want a happy ending, go to a rub and tug.

Other things to be aware of: If you flat out ask for extras, you have committed solicitation and the spa could potentially press charges. If you touch or grab the girl you have committed sexual assault, and the establishment and/or the provider could press charges. Those are extreme cases but I know first hand of situations where its happened.

I wont deny that many of us, including myself, would love a great legit massage with a release, but theres reasons (both ethical and legal) why those two dont coexist, at least in this country.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SpartanKY;5442165]Friends. Visiting LA from Chicago. Any advice on the best parlors to visit after 10 pm?[/QUOTE]I would rather just go to a strip club at that time, MP action is more of a day thing or at least COVID has made it so.

[QUOTE=TailsGunner;5438860]Dude don't knock yourself out over it. Other have paid more and less. Crap happens.

Peace out.[/QUOTE]I heard tell some dudes pay $100 for a handy.

[QUOTE=BigBadNut;5442455]I have gone to many legit spot and Independents. Literally have fuked my masseuse in legit spa after a few months of "courting". If they graze your twigs and berries often enough then its a green light. I wouldn't "grab" any gal maybe then lean their vagina into your elbow or shoulder? Stroking her is better than a "grab" and can be apologized away. Try to read the room, have some finesse. Listen with her actions they will tell you what's up. Speaking of which a rager is a good indicator to her without any ass grabbing or lewd questions.[/QUOTE]Good massage therapists are very hard to find. If you own a legit spa you have to hire good ones or you don't stay in business for long. You can't hire for looks. I do t have a single MT on staff that anybody here would give a second look to. In the years I've been in business I've had maybe 2 who I'd consider good enough looking to want extras from. Sure, you might get lucky somewhere, but if it's really a CMT at a legit spa I'd call it extremely lucky. I've had MTs freak out because someone got an erection under the sheet, and they'll usually ask that they don't ever see that client again.