"Sugarbabies" / "Arrangements" Amateurs or Not?

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2143276]As I reported here before the original SB who developed deep feelings and love for me, met her entire family and vowed never to let me go; well, she has to go. No reason and no fault of her own, I just can't do it. The age difference is too vast and the $ I'm spending is probably triple just seeing regular SB's. I can't help but feel like fucking shit, as I've tried different ways over the past few days to let her go and she cries, pleads and begs. I fall for her crying little ways every fucking time and then we rebuild. I have feelings for her as well, but fucking hell, I can't jump in with both feet. I just can't do it. So tomorrow, I'm just going to tell her and let her go. I expect a bad fallout, as family and such are not well onboard with this relationship.

After this, I will NEVER allow my sself to get feelings in the Sugar bowl again. NEVER! Too much pain and anguish. Will report back on the nuclear fallout. Driving to Virginia to tell her in person tomorrow night.

Dirty.[/QUOTE]Triple?. No wonder she's crying. Tell her its a $ a date and let her break up with you. I promise you'll feel better no matter what happens. Just txt her and see what she says.

Took me a bit but I found it. The brother in question was Hernando. His post that classified some of the POTs that one may meet in the bowl (including the now legendary classification "Nando1") can be found at post #779.

[URL]http://www.usasexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?9746-quot-Sugarbabies-quot-quot-Arrangements-quot-Amateurs-or-Not&p=1330891[/URL]

I have tried both SA and SD4 M; with much more success on SA, but I've put more into it. The recurring billing IS a pain. CL is nothing but spammers. The couple of real girls I have met there were nothing to write home about, with the exception of one hit 18 yo who told me she wanted to be a porn star and is well on her way to full pro status. My #1 SB is 500 a month, with twice a week agreed to, but we're not really hitting that. She probably is averaging about $ per visit. I am picking up a new girl that I met last week in a few hours for an overnight, with $ agreed to, once or twice a week. I have a date on Monday with another new girl that I had dinner with the other night, she has agreed to $$ per week for two visits. She is a true first timer, single mom, two jobs, and a cut above the rest on looks and brains. I really hope she pans out, but I'm not 100% sure she won't get cold feet at the last minute. The most I've paid was $. 5 per visit. I have probably missed out on some of the hotter local college girls because of that, but frequency is important, too.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2143276]As I reported here before the original SB who developed deep feelings and love for me, met her entire family and vowed never to let me go; well, she has to go. No reason and no fault of her own, I just can't do it. The age difference is too vast and the $ I'm spending is probably triple just seeing regular SB's. I can't help but feel like fucking shit, as I've tried different ways over the past few days to let her go and she cries, pleads and begs. I fall for her crying little ways every fucking time and then we rebuild. I have feelings for her as well, but fucking hell, I can't jump in with both feet. I just can't do it. So tomorrow, I'm just going to tell her and let her go. I expect a bad fallout, as family and such are not well onboard with this relationship.

After this, I will NEVER allow my sself to get feelings in the Sugar bowl again. NEVER! Too much pain and anguish. Will report back on the nuclear fallout. Driving to Virginia to tell her in person tomorrow night.

Dirty.[/QUOTE]You're fooling yourself. All she cares about is the $$. Whats that saying about massage parlor girls? "Man who looks for love in a massage parlor gets neither a good massage nor a happy ending". The same thing applies to any girl where the immediate, direct transaction is based on the exchange of money. These girls are here to be used for sex. Nothing more. Nothing less. View it as something different at your peril.

[QUOTE=Capricaone;2143712]You're fooling yourself. All she cares about is the $$. Whats that saying about massage parlor girls? "Man who looks for love in a massage parlor gets neither a good massage nor a happy ending". The same thing applies to any girl where the immediate, direct transaction is based on the exchange of money. These girls are here to be used for sex. Nothing more. Nothing less. View it as something different at your peril.[/QUOTE]Did you follow his previous reports on this particular girl? I'm pretty sure he said he already tested her by removing money from the equation a while back.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2143756]Did you follow his previous reports on this particular girl? I'm pretty sure he said he already tested her by removing money from the equation a while back.[/QUOTE]The SB in question, without doubt has / had true feelings. Problem is her age being so young, she still has not maneuvered through cycles of what it takes to make a man feel secure with her. She likes to party, go out with friends, flirt and all that comes with being a typical 21 yo girl. However, she also wants true love, stability and all that comes with that. I know her feelings are genuine, but so is her age and what she is not ready to overcome. I met her entire family for Pete's sake. Even her dad who is not the nicest of characters. Somehow they all approved of me. She is from a small town in rural Western Virginia and has not seen much outside her small town. Judging her at a raw level, she is sweet natured, loving, and naive. She claims to have had 9 sexual partners her entire life. Six boyfriends and three SD's date type things including me. So yeah, she slept with two other men for $. So having been around this hobby and other related hobbies for a bit, once a girl gets a taste for quick easy money like that, it's all but impossible for her to shake it, until she is put through the ringer of reality and usually used up by then.

Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades. She just becomes another woman to you. Sometimes I am mesmerized by her face and youthful beauty. She is a pretty girl, but her lying, immature ways, are not something I even remotely care to deal with in my mid-40's.

So back in the bowl I go. Hopefully the fallout with her with no go nuclear. .

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2143794]
Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades. [/QUOTE]You met a true SB, and yes they can be a pain in the ass, because they are often motivated by more than money. I think a lot of folks would be surprised how many 20-somethings are genuinely attracted to older guys and want something beyond (but of course preferably in addition to) money, if they can get it.

When I was civy dating, I sometimes encountered girls that were SBs but not officially in the way we think of with so many of these UTR girls on the SD sites. One that comes to mind was a girl I met on a civy dating site that was fresh out of college. Yes she wanted support in the sense she was still figuring out how to support herself, but aside from letting me buy her dinner there was never an expectation for money. What she REALLY wanted was for me to teach her how to get involved in the industry I am in -- maybe not just get her a job but to teach her the ropes. So in a way she was fucking me for career advice and mentoring, and an occasional trip to a restaurant or nightclub. I lived alone at the time so bringing her to my house to spend the night was a no-cost situation. Similar to what you've described, she wasn't even close to real relationship material to me. Just being around her for any length of time without some alcohol in my system was hard to tolerate, mostly just because of the huge difference in life experience and maturity. The fucking was good though, while it lasted.

For relationship material, during my civy dating I sort of decided that 30 is a good target for minimum age for a partner. Luckily I'm a fan of the exotic brunette (Asian / Latina) and a lot of that demographic still look like 20 year olds when they are thirtyish. I met only a few who were late 20's and still mature enough for a relationship. I even prefer that they've been married before (hopefully no kids) because then they aren't in a rush or having delusions about what married life is like.

So, maybe in some ways a true SB is one of those "be careful what you wish for" things. UTR girls are less hassle, and generally get out of your hair and move on when the party is over.

I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2144557]I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.[/QUOTE]This ploy is called the "panic" and is a classic Nando 1 move. Unfortunately these girls are desperate and the facts are that dshe probably has all kinds of debt and is getting evicted, etc. Remember do not fall for this sob story, it is not your responsibility to bail her out of her problems.

What you do is the following: 1) offer her $ ,whatever your number is for a FC visit. 2) tell her when you are available and where ,3) stick to your guns. Do not let her appeal to your sensitivity about her plight. 4) do not pay her to meet. Tell her that you will apply that money to her allowance only after she produces on her end. 5) Run and do not play with Nando 1 s.

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2144557]I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.[/QUOTE]Paying just to meet is always a scam. Always pay at the end of service and commensurate with how satisfied you are. Tell her you can get conversation for free anywhere but the pussy has value and you're willing to pay for it (just not always in quite such direct terms).

[QUOTE=MuffDiver72;2144557]I have ran upon a 28 year old single mom in Roanoke Va and need some advice. She is staying in a motel with her 2 children and needs financial help. She's telling me she has no money and has to check out today. But then comes back and states she needs $300 by Wednesday. I was going to meet her yesterday for lunch but I was sick and could not make it. She wanted a $100 bucks just to meet and I got her down to $75. Does this sound like a scam? Any advice is much appreciated.[/QUOTE]When I was first starting out in the sugar bowl and I was still naive about meeting POTs, I would pay to meet. I don't do that any more. I will treat them to whatever it is we do on the M&G (dinner, drinks, coffee, whatever) and if they travel a fair distance to see me I will even offer to give them gas money. But I have stopped giving a POT money just to meet with me. I know some brothers have occasionally given a gift card or something as a token of appreciation on a M&G and I think in some cases that can be a good idea, especially if the arrangement is all but a sure thing following a M&G. But beware of POTs saying they are all for an arrangement following a M&G, then vanishing like they were a super ninja. I myself had that happen a handful of times in the span of a few months. So then you've wasted your time and your money on someone you'll never see again.

In your particular case, she's a definite Nando1, as others have noted. Drop her and move on, this one will very likely take your money and run.

I don't know if you guys have seen the website [URL]thedirty.com[/URL], but it makes a very good case for never letting your SBs know your last name, and being careful about who you give photos to.

There are other similar revenge websites but this one I had not come across this one before until I googled someone's name and an article about her on this site was at the top of the list. LOL. It's quite funny to look read the submissions in your local city (click on dirty world at the top). Be entertained by it but be careful not to end up being one of the sources of entertainment.

Always stay as anonymous as possible, and in the event of a dispute / SB gone sideways, try to diffuse the situation, take the high road and then get the hell out of there, trying to exit on a positive note.

[QUOTE=DirtyDeeds38;2143794]The SB in question, without doubt has / had true feelings. Problem is her age being so young, she still has not maneuvered through cycles of what it takes to make a man feel secure with her. She likes to party, go out with friends, flirt and all that comes with being a typical 21 yo girl. However, she also wants true love, stability and all that comes with that. I know her feelings are genuine, but so is her age and what she is not ready to overcome. I met her entire family for Pete's sake. Even her dad who is not the nicest of characters. Somehow they all approved of me. She is from a small town in rural Western Virginia and has not seen much outside her small town. Judging her at a raw level, she is sweet natured, loving, and naive. She claims to have had 9 sexual partners her entire life. Six boyfriends and three SD's date type things including me. So yeah, she slept with two other men for $. So having been around this hobby and other related hobbies for a bit, once a girl gets a taste for quick easy money like that, it's all but impossible for her to shake it, until she is put through the ringer of reality and usually used up by then.

Bottom line, she is not relationship material, mostly due to her age. So I'm dumping her ass and going back to regular Sugar bowl experiences. Life is short, I want more experiences before the ole general will no longer rise to the occasion. Funny thing is, once you've been with a 21 year old girl for a while in the real relationship type scenario, the novelty wears off and her being so young and pretty fades. She just becomes another woman to you. Sometimes I am mesmerized by her face and youthful beauty. She is a pretty girl, but her lying, immature ways, are not something I even remotely care to deal with in my mid-40's.

So back in the bowl I go. Hopefully the fallout with her with no go nuclear. .[/QUOTE]Naive?. LOL.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2144852]Paying just to meet is always a scam. Always pay at the end of service and commensurate with how satisfied you are. Tell her you can get conversation for free anywhere but the pussy has value and you're willing to pay for it (just not always in quite such direct terms).[/QUOTE]I just had an average MILF say I could meet her for a $$ dinner, LOL. For $$ I can get 80% of 9+ non white girls and half of the 7+ white ones. I swear I can get 10 18-22 young hotties for a $ before I can get an average MILF. Must be L. A. The cost of living here is high.

Also never ever meet any girl that hasnt sent you a clear, standing straight (not bent forward) pic. No matter how pretty they look.

[QUOTE=JeezLizard;2145099]I don't know if you guys have seen the website [URL]thedirty.com[/URL], but it makes a very good case for never letting your SBs know your last name, and being careful about who you give photos to.

There are other similar revenge websites but this one I had not come across this one before until I googled someone's name and an article about her on this site was at the top of the list. LOL. It's quite funny to look read the submissions in your local city (click on dirty world at the top). Be entertained by it but be careful not to end up being one of the sources of entertainment.

Always stay as anonymous as possible, and in the event of a dispute / SB gone sideways, try to diffuse the situation, take the high road and then get the hell out of there, trying to exit on a positive note.[/QUOTE]A very nice stripper I know had some dirt put up there about her just because her x found out she slept around and did a couple of pornos. Thank god I am not married and my job is so underground even the people I work with have never met me.