Non Pro's

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6196598]I've had some great relationships on SA. I've had several that were like girlfriends or (a good) wife. I involved them in my life and they took very good care of me…A lot of guys just want to get straight to the sex, that isn't going to work there (unless you find one of the escorts, who will charge you more than they do on escort sites).[/QUOTE]This is the best advice. Very similar to my experiences. By and large, the women I find on SA are notable for NOT being escorts / hookers / etc. The handful I've met that were down to PPM on a first date that I hooked up with were mediocre and have led me to not ever want to hook up with that type from the site (unless I'm traveling).

The best deals on the site, if you're willing to put in the time and effort, are the ones like Michael described. They're not the hottest, but they make up for that with actual personality, desire, and low cost. At this point, I use SA like Tinder, looking for girls to actually go on dates with and, maybe, even have a relationship with. Paying a girl $$ or $$$ a date is a small price (for me) to pay a girl to overlook a 20 or 25 year age gap (I'm in my mid-50's). Over the years, I've had numerous amazing experiences, including one girl who actually moved in with me for a couple years (and asked me to stop paying her! Admittedly, it's a bit of a needle in a haystack thing to find these girls, but they're definitely out there. They're less about the money than the combination of wanting to feel desired, having actual daddy issues, and / or just enjoying the competence / reliability / resources that an older man brings to a relationship.

To the issue of finding such girls, cast a wide net, send a lot of messages, lower your standards a little*, and be ready to bail on anyone who quotes you a PPM like they know the routine.

I'll be moving up to Seattle-land sometime next year (after a project in Phoenix) and just starting to get the lay of the land, scene wise. When I've visited in the past, I've always found the pro scene pretty solid, but what I've been reading is painting a grimmer pic than I recall (more GPS, more drug abuse, fewer broken nymphos), so I'll probably look for someone off SA.

* Lower, not abandon your standards. I've never had a great experience with a 9/10 or a 10/10 from SA. I've definitely had surprises though. A girl I'd have called a 4/10 based on pics, in person, had a 6/10 face and a 9/10 body with amazing, natural, F cups on a very trim frame. She'd made a point to hide those tits in her photos because she didn't want someone who was just looking for big tits. Met a girl peak pandemic that was, max, a 4/10, but she just was horny and had daddy issues, so I got to absolutely use that girl like a fucktoy (creampies, anal, rough, etc) for six months in exchange for a lot of Starbucks. Enthusiasm is better than looks sometimes.

I had been quiet on SA for nearly a year as I had a good thing going, things changed and was back on there looking around. I have noticed the number of women on there seems to have dropped significantly. Is anyone else noticing this? Or is it my search area and settings? I reached out via text to a few from last year via text and they have all dropped off SA.

Is there another site that has popped up that everyone is using?

I am seeing similar things on STG and LC.

HEY! IT'S MY 100th post! Woo hoo!

It's not that difficult to sniff those troublemakers out, but sometimes you get led down a path before you realize, after 20 messages, they're not legit.

I had a pretty devastating experience lately I thought I'd share to help my bros out. Here's what happened:

I have a thing for big hair, saw a really hot girl and started messaging about things, letting her know her hair was amazing, etc. She claimed to have 1 kid in her profile, but she looked too hot. The conversation quickly moved to text, my Google Voice account. She immediately wanted to send me "spicy" photos to make things interesting on Telegram. I met her there, and of course, I immediately refused to pay for any images. She made it seem like a way to help her, as she's between jobs and has a daughter to support. So I told her to meet me instead, sensing she wasn't local anyway, but probably in Nigeria or Philadelphia, watching the Eagles. She then wanted $200 up front to hire a full-day babysitter. I'd seen that one before as well. Again, I refused, fully convinced I was talking to a sweaty overweight Canadian teenager. This is where things began to get tricky. They (no longer "SHE") persisted in wanting something from me. I challenged her authenticity and asked her to hold up a card with "I (heart emoji) (my user name)" next to her face. She got really upset, asking why I would ask her to tell me she loves me, which in hindsight, I won't do again, but just ask for the date. Point was, she wouldn't do that, either. I explained why they were a scammer, a waste of my time, etc. And blocked her. On both the site and in Telegram. Note to self, never move to more than one platform. They're data harvesting anyway.

Deep breath.

Within minutes, my beloved Google Voice account was deactivated. I got an email explaining I violated their terms and use policy. A link was provided to appeal, along with details about what all that meant. I of course appealed, but it didn't matter. They immediately denied. My first thought was, "OH SHIT! All of the other messages to girls I've arranged PPMs with, etc. Were visible to them. They probably got a complaint initially from this scammer that I was bullying them, which is one of the usage violations. But on appeal, if they looked at my other 60-70 contacts, they'd have seen all kinds of stuff involving you know what.

I was able to keep all my contacts, as they only disabled GV in my Firefox browser (don't ask. It's easy to discard the profile with minimal efforts), but I couldn't create a new GV account with that email, nor could I create one in Firefox with any other Google username. The more I investigated it, the scarier it became to me. I was playing with fire, trying to create a new account in Chrome as well. Was it my MAC address, IP address? Who knows. Google search didn't help.

HERE'S THE CONSEQUENCES YOU NEED TO KNOW: if you get pissed at a scammer, and this happens to you, you could lose access to all Google services across their entire platform. Think about how difficult that might make your life if you use it for civilized behavior. I was fortunate I didn't lose everything. I use VPN, but it didn't matter.

Stay safe, gents. This is an amazing hobby, and I've reaped so much gold from it, but losing all of the conversations I had going on was incredibly challenging to recover from. Most of the ladies in progress abandoned me when I attempted to reach back out from a new number, assuming I was a scammer. The loss was huge at the time (about a month ago), but I have 35 POTs going on again, so I'm good.

I switched to TextNow, which is adequate, but I'm waiting for a good eSIM to use with them, once they release them. The ads are annoying. There's probably some obvious reactions to have, but I would just say "Be careful with those scammers. Just dump them and move on, don't get into it, and don't make it something for them to become vengeful about. ".

One more vote for right there for a burner phone.

I conduct a lot of business over Google services and the loss of my Google accounts would cause serious mayhem for me. That's why I buy a new prepaid phone at Wal-mart or Target every year or so.

For our Thanksgiving dinner on Saturday my Czech born Sugar Baby drove an hour to my place, took a bath with me. Sucked me & Fucked me. Then cooked a turkey dinner for us. Thankful I found her 4 years ago when SA was really good.

This member has some enticing images as to what you might expect. While they all look like her, they're uneven. In some, she has no makeup, in others, she's modeled up.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f826f91b-bea9-44ff-a1c2-48746addf71a[/URL]

Any intel on her? I'm curious. PM me if you prefer (I do).

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6232039]This member has some enticing images as to what you might expect. While they all look like her, they're uneven. In some, she has no makeup, in others, she's modeled up.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f826f91b-bea9-44ff-a1c2-48746addf71a[/URL]

Any intel on her? I'm curious. PM me if you prefer (I do).[/QUOTE]Don't get your hopes up, she's online constantly and has contacted me. The minute I tried to move to text she ghosted.

[QUOTE=KnoxNenters;6232039]This member has some enticing images as to what you might expect. While they all look like her, they're uneven. In some, she has no makeup, in others, she's modeled up.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/f826f91b-bea9-44ff-a1c2-48746addf71a[/URL]

Any intel on her? I'm curious. PM me if you prefer (I do).[/QUOTE]Gave me the pro vibe quoted me 300 for 30 minutes and 400 for hour. But she seemed real to me, it was a few months ago when she joined.

[QUOTE=Toomgis;6231279]For our Thanksgiving dinner on Saturday my Czech born Sugar Baby drove an hour to my place, took a bath with me. Sucked me & Fucked me. Then cooked a turkey dinner for us. Thankful I found her 4 years ago when SA was really good.[/QUOTE]Wow! Mine is such a ho! Can't find shit these days.

[QUOTE=Michael1967;6232436]Don't get your hopes up, she's online constantly and has contacted me. The minute I tried to move to text she ghosted.[/QUOTE]Will look different in person. Expect the non makeup pic. Look. Some acne is present. She's Also on private delights and possibly others. She's a hustler, gets around.

First post from me. Wish I'd known about this site sooner, but now finding it quite useful. Learned some lessons the hard way. Thanks to all who share. I'll continue to return the favor.

Met ExoticRedhead recently.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6030c656-3fb4-44df-9b93-7e2b31c3790a[/URL]

Pros: Young, slim, hot, tight, great rack (IMO).

Cons: Extra safety conscious (DM for details, but there were some unexpected twists), doesn't do DATY on the first date (something I'd never thought to ask about in advance).

Budget negotiable, will ask for 5 but will go for less. Despite the pros, given all the cons, will not repeat.

This girl is real and the one in the photos.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3cc44c37-953e-495b-9958-46677f32023a[/URL]

Pros: Pics are accurate (4th and 5th are best day-to-day representation), can host, personable, good conversationalist, takes a pounding, multiple positions, pretty much demands a facial.

Cons: GPS (wants 700), covered first date (but willing to discuss BB with recent test for future dates), couple large tattoos (if that's not your thing, you should know that going in).

If price comes down for regularity, might consider repeating, but only if.

[QUOTE=CameraShy;6237262]This girl is real and the one in the photos.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/3cc44c37-953e-495b-9958-46677f32023a[/URL]

Pros: Pics are accurate (4th and 5th are best day-to-day representation), can host, personable, good conversationalist, takes a pounding, multiple positions, pretty much demands a facial.

Cons: GPS (wants 700), covered first date (but willing to discuss BB with recent test for future dates), couple large tattoos (if that's not your thing, you should know that going in).

If price comes down for regularity, might consider repeating, but only if.[/QUOTE]Thanks! Yea 700 and she's thick. Theses girls are asking crazy money these days! Or many are OF porn chicks too. You got to follow a thousand dicks. I guess the economy is still good. We need a huge dip is these girls get real. She's not bad though. 700, too much!!

[QUOTE=CameraShy;6237200]First post from me. Wish I'd known about this site sooner, but now finding it quite useful. Learned some lessons the hard way. Thanks to all who share. I'll continue to return the favor.

Met ExoticRedhead recently.

[URL]https://members.seeking.com/member/6030c656-3fb4-44df-9b93-7e2b31c3790a[/URL]

Pros: Young, slim, hot, tight, great rack (IMO).

Cons: Extra safety conscious (DM for details, but there were some unexpected twists), doesn't do DATY on the first date (something I'd never thought to ask about in advance).

Budget negotiable, will ask for 5 but will go for less. Despite the pros, given all the cons, will not repeat.[/QUOTE]She told me no DATY and I passed. Seattle is not the place for this. Quality is low price is high. I'm going back to providers. Easy and way less money. Fuck, I sick of buying these girls shit and getting blow off and when I ask for time they are tired.

[QUOTE=ColoHobbyist;6228770]This is the best advice. Very similar to my experiences. By and large, the women I find on SA are notable for NOT being escorts / hookers / etc. The handful I've met that were down to PPM on a first date that I hooked up with were mediocre and have led me to not ever want to hook up with that type from the site (unless I'm traveling).

The best deals on the site, if you're willing to put in the time and effort, are the ones like Michael described. They're not the hottest, but they make up for that with actual personality, desire, and low cost. At this point, I use SA like Tinder, looking for girls to actually go on dates with and, maybe, even have a relationship with. Paying a girl $$ or $$$ a date is a small price (for me) to pay a girl to overlook a 20 or 25 year age gap (I'm in my mid-50's). Over the years, I've had numerous amazing experiences, including one girl who actually moved in with me for a couple years (and asked me to stop paying her! Admittedly, it's a bit of a needle in a haystack thing to find these girls, but they're definitely out there. They're less about the money than the combination of wanting to feel desired, having actual daddy issues, and / or just enjoying the competence / reliability / resources that an older man brings to a relationship.

To the issue of finding such girls, cast a wide net, send a lot of messages, lower your standards a little*, and be ready to bail on anyone who quotes you a PPM like they know the routine..[/QUOTE]Men will go down in looks to up in cooperation! SA ppm is way over priced in most cases. There are a couple that for $$ will give you a nice time and raw depending. I'll take what I can hey I guess. Women still haven't figured out that they need us. Perhaps us paying for time is part of the problem? Although we pay either way. Man I'd like a cool side chick without all the drama and not being a ho! Ladies don't understand that the top guys won't go ltr with a girl that's run through! They become."

Born again virgins" at 30! LOL. And I'm spending luxury car payment money on the monthly to have a good time! I need to do more sifting. And yea, Seattle is not good at the moment. GPS rules the roost here. SA overnights are running 1-1.5 k! Plus dinner!