Ripoff Reports

[QUOTE=Mike8792;4356639]Whomever introduced this lass to this site is a fucking hero! If we ever meet in real life, I owe you a beer!

[URL]https://escortalligator.com.lasvegas.listcrawler.com/post/34531706/Brazilian[/URL][/QUOTE]I was considering seeing her, but I'm also curious as to why this is in the Ripoff Reports section when all you have to say is good things.

Found her through Eros and I communicated with her last week that we would do a $500 for GFE. I just met with her now and when she opened her door, she looked a little worn out. She pulled an upsell. She said no touching, no kissing. Extra $200 for a handjob. Told her to leave.

Don't book her at all.

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[EMAIL]TaylorRay2019@gmail.com[/EMAIL]

7023XXX601.

[QUOTE=Kq5574;4358029]Found her through Eros and I communicated with her last week that we would do a $500 for GFE. I just met with her now and when she opened her door, she looked a little worn out. She pulled an upsell. She said no touching, no kissing. Extra $200 for a handjob. Told her to leave.

Don't book her at all.

[URL]https://www.eros.com/nevada/las_vegas/files/5351790.htm?cat=1[/URL]

[EMAIL]TaylorRay2019@gmail.com[/EMAIL]

7023XXX601.[/QUOTE]Tell me you did not give her the 500 upfront?

[QUOTE=GentlemanDiver;4353077]Upfront disclaimer / background / etc. This is going to be a long post. SO, I'm sure a lot that read this and see this is my first post. Like many other posts I've read I'll say the typical words that I am a 'long' time lurker first time poster. I've used this site for years but kept to myself until now. What I experienced this weekend is deserving of taking the time to write a post / report and maybe get some 'constructive' feedback without any flaming if I was wrong or well within my rights of what happened.

I'm also not sure what is fully appropriate for content disclosure so I'll be vague with some details, but should be enough to search or comprehend what / who is being talked about. If not, just let me know what is appropriate and I'll elaborate where needed.

Now, I've done agency incall before, LTLV, AP, and a few others I'm not sure what their name is but were agencies. Most incall appts (not all, but most) are ran by some sort of agency.

Her posts have been around for years, same girl same number, but no major items that she was even tied to an agency. She's a hot Asian that goes by Charlie. Number usually ends in 2306 with a 480 area code. Posts all over the place, AL, AS, Mojo, CityX, and many others. Shows up under the typical sites that collect these things like eindex, and other places. Shouldn't be hard to find for those that have been around a while.

Some background about me. Ex-military, been in multiple wars and been out for many years. I'm active, travel a lot internationally, not a typical person that falls victim to scams or puts myself in situations that I don't see a way out of. I play life like chess and always think ahead multiple moves and counter moves. Never walk into a bar / strip club / brothel / sex house / AMP /(insert-any-name-here) with any more money they your willing to spend and always leave your CC's out of the equation. All my interactions are always flat fees or known range of fees.

NOW, the start of the fun stuff.

Seen her posts for a while and wanted to partake. I've typically do incall / AMPs / etc. She's only does outcall. Couldn't find any major reviews (ter, etc). Took the chance (toftt?) with Charlie. Set it up accordingly. $$. 50 for the hour babe. NO where in any of the text / phone calls was there any mention of Agency or Agency style fees or extra fees. I would have been prepared otherwise and declined any visit. I also didn't notice any voice differences between the person on the phone or the girl arriving at the door.

She showed up on time. I will say she looks like her photos. She was HOT. Filipina (born in USA). Right up my alley for LBFM's. She was nice, friendly, etc. First red flag was she made an almost under her breath 'check in' type comment as she picked up her cell phone (didn't catch exactly what she said as she said it quietly). Didn't think too much about it as I figured it was a safety thing with her. Asked for the money up front. I didn't have a problem with that as I've done it upfront / after before. Then all of a sudden she goes into that more money needed. I stop her mid-sentence and tell her we have a problem then. NO where was I informed she worked for an agency or any extra frees where going to be required (I assumed she was with an agency now). After a little back and forth (where I don't budge) she get's the 'agency' on speaker phone. The typical you can use a CC, electronic payment, go to the atm, etc,. Thing to get more money. I'm steadfast no more money, flat fee or she gives the money back and leaves. They offer another girl to cover the arrange fee. Sent me a photo, she was decent looking and I'm like. OK (still need services). Mood was ruined with Charlie anyways. Then they are like she'll be there in 20 minutes. They hang up, Charlie starts to gather her things and (I picked up on it quickly) I asked where / what she was doing. Obviously the whole mood / air / etc turned very sour very quickly at this point with me. She said she was going to leave. I told her one of two things was going to happen, she was going to stay and wait for the other girl to show up or she was going to give the money back and leave. No money was leaving without services rendered or money returned, period.

(More background I would never touch anyone to restrain or anything otherwise, unless they initiated the physical contact first. There is a very fine line legally what can or cannot be done).

The next few moments get intense and ramp up quickly.

She gets the agency on the speakerphone again and I cut them short that there was no other options, period money stays without services rendered. NOW, they start strong arming me (over the phone really? Please. They also deploy distraction tactics and call my phone and talk to me directly to distract me from her (both on my phone and on the speaker phone) and also start explaining that I can't keep her there against her will. I agree and said she's free to leave after giving me my money back. They try and explain that wasn't going to happen and I then brought up the point that they were stealing my money now. They 'tried' to also say that it was a 'show up fee' and I said no it wasn't, it was never communicated that it was a show up fee and it was a flat fee for the hour. So, they were attempting to steal my money without services rendered (pay attention here, this is the wording I always used, even during initial text communications, never anything explicit and only 'service', if ever typed, talked, etc). During this short time of this current call (s) they now start moving to saying everything was recorded and I asked for illegal things (I'm still not phased or budging here on my stance). She hadn't moved toward the door yet and actually went away from the door a little. Right after they say these things, I hear her speaker phone 'Jasmine, you need to leave' and she makes a move to turn towards the door. I quickly tell her that I would implore you to return my money back before you attempt to leave as I would consider it robbery and will call the police.

Intensity.

I'm a big guy compared to a 100-115 lbs Filipina. The sheer physical size difference is enough to be intimidating (but I'm a teddy bear really. They don't know that).

She was not going to return the money so I quickly step to the dresser where I pull a holstered gun (unchambered) and held it at my side (straight down my leg to the ground) and politely say that it is a shame that your agency would put you in this situation and I would appreciate the return of the money that was suppose to be for services rendered and otherwise not steal my money. (Remember they are recording this) Yes, I was very detailed and calm and specific in my wording.

Intermission for more background.

I should now bring up the fact I had been recording everything from the moment she pulled into the driveway (front and back of the car including license plate). I have cameras inside and outside that record every aspect of my house. Everything is on camera and recorded. All physical interactions, motions, etc. I even have one of those typical 12"x12" white signs with red / black lettering in my front window that says WARNING, All activities are recorded to aid in the prosecution of any crime committed against this facility.

We now return to our program.

I've heard real panic attacks and I've heard fake panic attacks, but this was a whole new level. Holy sheet. Don't people know it's obvious when you try and force hyperventilation?? It's way over the top and obviously for 'recording' purposes. Yes I was taking advantage of the normal human psyche about intimidation of the mere presence of a weapon. I left the room and walked down the hall to put extreme distance between us. Please note that at no time was the weapon removed from the holster or ever pointed toward anyone's direction. Just carried next to my leg for 'visual' factors.

Now they are talking about calling the police and I said please do as I will be calling them also and hung up my phone. They start blowing up my phone. I answer once and I said, you can't call the police if you keep calling me. I was trying to call 311 but couldn't get to it fast enough before the next call came in. I mean damn, they must have had a bunch of people all dialing me at the same time as I saw 5 or 6 different numbers before I could get a call out (dual sim phone and switched to my main phone number sim and turned off the burner sim so I could call).

While all this was happening, she said here is your money, asked me to put the gun away (which I promptly did) and she handed me the money and walked toward and out the door without any interaction from me other than holding my hand out for her to place the money in it.

NOW, mind you it was all very oddly calm all of a sudden, no 'forced' hyperventilation or crying or any over the top 'acting'.

While she was walking out, I actually got dispatch (311) on the phone and that I wanted to file an attempted robbery report. Once I gave them my address, they said police were already dispatched and on the way (evidently the agency did call the police). I thanked her for the information and asked if she wanted me to stay on the phone while I waited for them to arrive. She said no, make sure my weapon was put away (asked me where it was going to be probably to relay to the arriving officers) and prepare for the officers to arrive.

Now the rest doesn't need to be so detailed. Officers arrive, ask me where my weapon is, if I had one on me, etc. And of course asked me what's going on. Boy did they get an earful. Told them about the video, invited them in, watched the video (even heard a chuckle under one of their breaths). They asked for a printout of the license plate, full face shot of Charlie / Jasmine, all the agency numbers that I had received. Waited for me to fill out the report and left as quickly as they arrived.

After thoughts.

I don't play the 'extra money' thing and refuse to let the money go without at least trying to get it back (within reason). The reality of the situation is she could have walked out without me doing anything and I would have just had to let the money go and file a robbery report.

I was actually prepared for the worse (guy / handler / pimp) showing up and straight up robbing me, wanted the best (just a fun time), and got dealt what I got. (FYI, Only one weapon was holstered and unchambered).

No need to point out the fact of my 'house' thing, I know it was a bad move, but I actually have a physical issue right now and on crutches and didn't want to leave the house. I can hobble around my house, but not going to press my luck until things heal walking around in the world. But still need services. I didn't worry about it too much as even in my condition, I feel like I can take care of myself. With my military experience, the 14 years in the international outlaw motorcycle club I was in (yes, a 1% and the fact I live my live with the attitude that if something will happen, there is nothing you can do about it. After all, I was in two wars, traveled around the world both pleasure, professional business and business (for reasons I don't need to explain but associated with the MC world). I've been shot before, cut, stubbed, shrapnel wounds. I've been around, probably been in a bar fight in every port I every visited in the military. I've been caned in Singapore, spent time in holding cells in far to many places to recount them all. If something will happen, it'll happen. Life is two short to live in fear and you need to live life and take the bull by the horns and make of it want you want. Not let life make you want it wants.

Besides, I've got a two providers that I see at my house already (met at incall, AMP, etc. A few times) from time to time. There are some that would ask would I try a new one then. Well, if you don't know, you may not understand anyways. Beside, both were 'unavailable' that evening and I didn't want to wait. Though I had one come over the next evening.

Also, noone does a proper b2 b / slide / soapy / nuru style / type massage the way they do at Poseidon's in Thailand. I have to have them come to my place to do it now as I got tired of lugging around my own nuru sheet and oils. The oil I use is perfectly acceptable for vaginal penetration no need to stop and shower before full penetration.

Though, (I may be asking to get slammed here, but just do it constructively and not negatively if you must) I am curious from others that may or may not have been in this similar type of situation or maybe even already thought of a similar type of situation.

Did I go to far?

(In my mind, and the officers validated my thoughts) I kept my cool (as much as I can for myself) and did what I had to do with the minimum force necessary to bring the situation under control and without physical harm and had my money returned. It could have gone a whole different level, so I'm actually grateful it ended up the way it did.

My advice, avoid this agency or any other number you guys can find that is associated with her postings (if there are any other numbers). Unless you are alright with this bait and switch fees thing, then by all means have at it. She is hot, and I'm sure will make some of you happy.

We make mistakes, and like my rule about never taking any more money then your willing to spend, never do an outcall (to your home) until you have vetted the provider first in their incall or place of business. Though most people don't do it at their home since they are not single or other factors. I'm who I am and I'll continue to stay a lbfm seeking guy until I can find that magic lbfm that locks me down to only them.

Also as an afterthought while writing this, I'm sure my burner number is on those UglyMugs types apps / sites (if they use one). I mean we have review sites about providers and I know providers have their sites they use to report on clients. How do you find out what's been reported about us, I'm actually curious what may have been reported if at all about me now? I found a few sites and apps, but does anyone know of that is most common for Vegas agencies to use? Most of the ones I found are around Europe regions.

I'm adding her pics from one of her ads, and also the other girl they were going to send over for your reference, along with some texts before I blocked the number as I didn't need to hear them whining about it.[/QUOTE]It doesn't matter what kind of background you have you should never ever invite Escorts to your own home always go to a hotel at least there you will be in better control. No one can ever come back to your room and try and do anything to you. So this girl plus the other 2 who frequent your home if anything ever soured in your relationships then they know where you're at sure you have a gun and can take action but is it worth it possibly facing charges IMHO not worth it but good luck hopefully you will reconsider and start doing outcalls to a hotel room.

This was a great write-up, and I'm really conflicted. On the one hand I don't think that $200 is worth it. I'd pay twice that to avoid having to spend even five minutes alone with two cops.

On the other hand, I understand your point about the principle. Based on what I've done in the same situation, which is to give up the money (which really sucked as a guy earning 10/ hr), it seemed excessive, but your points about respect and not being that guy ring true and seem consistent with your sense of self.

I guess it comes down to this: Some people fight, and some people roll over. I'm definitely in the latter category. But I don't begrudge those in the former their freedom to be who they are.

I know something about mc clubs, actually quite a bit having grown up in 1 of CA's dirtiest, I won't even mention the colors and No I'm not In never was never wanted to be tho I'd have been a 3rd legacy, I Lived real life in it to know versus shit I saw on tv.

1. No Disrespect but coming from that background it seems to me that you'd ask those brothers for help guidance or whatever not here. Just my opinion, not a question or judgement, and maybe you did and are also posting here.

2. I agree with what you did for the most part, as I am not opposed to violence & take it quite personally if I get burned or an attempted burn, in fact I can't let shit go, I'm better off handling something others would see as minor with major action & possible consequences versus If I let it go, I'll lose sleep for days regretting letting it go. I'm sick of some of these hookers thinking they can do or not do what they please without consequence. I would have done it differently, but this is not about me, right. So yes, we salute you.

3. Apologies for my previous scatter brained posting, I'll be more concise.

Late Wednesday, actually early AM Thursday was walking outside of PH and saw a cute white girl walking along texting. Looked like a tourist without any friends. Chubby thighs, small chest but very cute. Looked like a midwest farm girl. (I later found out she's from Iowa) I observed as we walked as I was pretty sure she was not working. Walked across to Aria and we chatted. Said she did massage including outcalls to hotels etc. So we discussed the services with no upsell and went back to my hotel. Agreed that we'd shower beforehand because of the oppressive heat. Get to the room and she finds something to put her hair up for the shower and then starts in with the upsell. No, we agreed already and that's what I've got, I don't renegotiate fair deals. She starts in that "That's how I work". At this point, it's late and I'm leaving in the morning so I tell her it's the deal we made or no deal. She walked out the door. I couldn't believe she'd turn down an easy payday and walk with nothing but that's what she did!

Not really a rip-off as I only lost time in the process but a deal is a deal.

[QUOTE=CravenMorhead;4353677]You are mistaken if you think agencies inform you that they are that. It's part of there ripoff ways. They don't tell you shit.[/QUOTE]Well played. I would lay money on it that she personally will not participate in that particular game again. However, these people that do this are not exactly rhodes scholars or mensa group formers so maybe not. I read every word of his post! And he is right most would just roll over as there is always that fear of "oh I am doing something illegal anyway". That absolutely rocks though! It's a john wayne moment! So as far as voting I would say you did absolutely the right thing and were not over the top as you were in control. Good read and I thank you as I am sure many do here.

Archive. Is / XGlCl.

The pics are not representative of her. She is still attractive, but gained wait and has complexion issues. She still might be worth seeing if you protect your valuables. I got mighty tired in her presence and then my money was gone.

Claire. Phone number in link.

I advise wasting her time with fake meets. I warned her ahead of time.. to just bring the money back and there wouldn't be any negative consequences.

[QUOTE=Night234;4387926]Archive. Is / XGlCl.

The pics are not representative of her. She is still attractive, but gained wait and has complexion issues. She still might be worth seeing if you protect your valuables. I got mighty tired in her presence and then my money was gone.

Claire. Phone number in link.

I advise wasting her time with fake meets. I warned her ahead of time.. to just bring the money back and there wouldn't be any negative consequences.[/QUOTE][URL]http://archive.is/XGlCl[/URL] for folks' ease of use. I met this girl when she worked at Naples Plaza in a MP there. She has aged much and it's been less than 2 years. There is some weight gain as well so neither her face nor body match the pictures anymore.

She did look like a slim twenty-something working the massage place and that plaza had several cute white and Latina massage girls at the time. Haha I'm tired of Lily A this, Lily A that. I actually enjoy girls who speak English and keep decent company, even just for the brief time you see them.

[QUOTE=RBFHatred;4388415].... I actually enjoy girls who speak English and keep decent company, even just for the brief time you see them.

[/QUOTE]Same here, that's why I'm always reluctant to go to lat houses or Asians that don't speak for shit. It takes a huge toll on the whole experience. Even a fucking AC guy speaks English when you call them to your house not to mention someone that will suck your dick.

I go to the Flam house I look like a fucking idiot trying to engage in small talk while I take my clothes off or put them back on. They also try some English ugh! I can't even tell them turn around, or other directions, it's fucking hillarious and a turn off sometimes.

I wonder how the fuck are they making a living here if they can't speak for shit. How the fuck are you paying your bills, calling the credit card company or going to the doctor's. Maybe I'm not aware of the level of Spanish spoken here I guess. They probably go to everything in Spanish, car mechanics, dentists and so on.

[QUOTE=Lantern6;4389128]Same here, that's why I'm always reluctant to go to lat houses or Asians that don't speak for shit. It takes a huge toll on the whole experience. Even a fucking AC guy speaks English when you call them to your house not to mention someone that will suck your dick.

I go to the Flam house I look like a fucking idiot trying to engage in small talk while I take my clothes off or put them back on. They also try some English ugh! I can't even tell them turn around, or other directions, it's fucking hillarious and a turn off sometimes.

I wonder how the fuck are they making a living here if they can't speak for shit. How the fuck are you paying your bills, calling the credit card company or going to the doctor's. Maybe I'm not aware of the level of Spanish spoken here I guess. They probably go to everything in Spanish, car mechanics, dentists and so on.[/QUOTE]Like all people in the US who speak little to no English, they engage spanish speaking communities. There are all kinds of services that are geared toward a specific speaking popullation, just roll through Chinatown or the latino parts of the city and you wil see phone shops, mechanics, doctor offices, etc. That, and they also just have a friend who might translate when necessary. Also, money is universal, those of use who can't speak spanish know how to make thier money work in Lat Houses. LOL.

[QUOTE=SeckSee1;4389183]Like all people in the US who speak little to no English, they engage spanish speaking communities. There are all kinds of services that are geared toward a specific speaking popullation, just roll through Chinatown or the latino parts of the city and you wil see phone shops, mechanics, doctor offices, etc. That, and they also just have a friend who might translate when necessary. Also, money is universal, those of use who can't speak spanish know how to make thier money work in Lat Houses. LOL.[/QUOTE]Hell I've even seen the post office speak Spanish with someone. Actually really made me annoyed.

(Also the HR at a casino).

Of course I'm sure we've all heard the phone option of "En Espagnol un numero dos" (I'm sure I spelled that wrong.).

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Took the donation and got into a car waiting for her.

It was a small amount, so the damage was minor, but I'm so glad I didn't provide my home address. She wanted to do an outcall.

Yeah. No.

Definitely working with someone & probably has a "manager."

I think I'm done seeing black women. They're the only ones who seem to cause trouble, steal, have pimp boyfriends, are gang affiliated or cause a lot of drama. I don't understand it.

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Chatted before. Promised no upsell. Flat rate. Gets here and pictures are close but not her. Not even remotely close in age. Still gorgeous. Figured lets see where this goes. Gets here and immediately tries to upsell. Claims the standard is 1 to 5 with three zeroes. I laughed and she left.

Stay away from this one and you're welcome.